29th Feb, 2020

A Sinking Ship

As Dana Milbank recently wrote, “Trump’s economy caught the coronavirus.” Certainly, the Stock Market plunge of the past 10 days and the rapid global economic slowdown, all due to fears of the rapidly spreading coronavirus, suggest Trump’s seemingly “titanic” economy may have hit a giant iceberg in the North Atlantic in mid-winter.

If we look at the US chart, we find Mercury (24Cancer12) in the 8th house opposite Pluto (27Capricorn33) in the 2nd house. This opposition in the houses of finance is an important indicator of the US economy. Pluto here represents concentrated and enormous wealth, which can be intensely avaricious, controlling, and manipulative. To me, it indicates the great potency of corporate and billionaire wealth in the US that has so much impact on governmental policy and decision making. Mercury in the 8th house represents investments, the Market, trade, communications and transportation, all of which are to some degree directed by that powerful 2nd house Pluto (big money).

From February 14 to February 26, we have had the first crossing of Saturn to US Pluto, causing enormous contracting pressure on the big corporate wealth. If we use the birth time for the US chart as 5:13 PM, the Ascendant is 12Sagittarius 59, which receives a semisquare transit from Saturn (February 17 to 28) at almost exactly the same time as the Saturn crossing of Pluto. This Saturn semisquare to US Ascendant brings the anxiety and stress of the Saturn transit to US citizens in a very personal way (Ascendant), such as is currently being felt while the value of their 401-K’s diminishes and their fears of coronavirus expand.

Saturn will return to US Pluto from July 22 to August 4 and from November 6 to November 21, 2020. It seems likely that at those times, there will other events that seem to put stress on the concentrated wealth of the country. It is noteworthy, that Bernie Sanders has gained significant momentum during this first crossing in February, and that his actual ascendancy, should he win in November, could be a manifestation of the final crossing of Saturn to US Pluto just after the election. I am not predicting this at this point, but it is one possible reading of this configuration.

We should also note the first crossing of Pluto opposite US Mercury from January 25 to February 29.  This Pluto transit is another indicator of pressure and anxiety on US Markets (8th house). It remains within orb and therefore continues to have impact until it intensifies again on April 26 when it begins to retrograde opposite the Mercury degree through June 26. The last few days of this week saw both the Sun in semisquare to Pluto and Venus in square to Pluto, both triggering this Pluto opposition to US Mercury. Health concerns over the spreading virus and fears about the plunging Market were greatly exacerbated during that time. Pluto will return for its final crossing opposite US Mercury from November 29 to December 31, 2020.

If we look at the chart for the Madman of Mara Lago, we see that the first crossing of Saturn opposite his Venus (25Cancer44) occurred during the height of the impeachment events, January 29 to February 7, clearly a deeply stressful and upsetting time for him. Transiting Pluto was also opposite his Saturn (23Cancer49) during these events (January 15 to February 14). When Saturn returns for a protracted and painful crossing of his Venus from August 18 to October 22, his self-serving actions, moral bankruptcy, and harm to the nation will once again be microscopically examined, dissected, and roundly criticized.

The current Market plunge and the slipshod and largely condemned handling of the emerging coronavirus has occurred with a Neptune transit triggering Trump’s progressed Midheaven conjunct progressed Saturn (3Leo10) from February 2 through March 3. Neptune suggests confusion, dishonesty, and delusion hovering over the extremely difficult challenges described by the Saturn/MC progression. This configuration will return from September 25 to December 6, 2020.

Given that the first crossing of several of these difficult transits impacting both the US and Trump charts have ended or are about to end at present, we may find the Market restabilizing in the next few days. We may also find the narrative for the virus shifting to more of a general acceptance that there will be a flu-like illness that hits a lot of people over the next few months, and we should stock up, wash our hands, and avoid crowds.

It is possible that the worst of the virus will come in May and June when Pluto stations opposite US Mercury (4/26 to 6/26), while additionally stationing opposite Trump’s Saturn (5/1 to 7/12). The progressed US Moon (24Capricorn36) will also be crossed by transiting Pluto during this time (5/12 to 6/6) pointing to stress and anxiety among the US population. And finally, transiting Saturn will be crossing Inaugural Sun (00Aquarius49) from March 20 to April 4 and again from June 8 to June 27, suggesting onerous challenges for the administration. One possibility is the need to deal with an overstressed health care system during this period.


First U.S. death from coronavirus confirmed in Washington state, according to health officials


Thanks Starlight, it seems that Trump has something to brag about with the end of the war with the Taliban!

U.S.-Taliban sign landmark agreement in bid to end America’s longest war

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/taliban-sign-landmark-agreement-bid-end-america-s-longest-war-n1145166 via @nbcnews

These are very momentous time that we live in. Wishing goodwill to all.

Okay, this is the most clarity on the present period I’ve read/heard anywhere. Thank you Nancy. I for one will be looking forward to some “onerous challenges for the administration” come the Spring Equinox and again in June. Thank you too for pin-pointing the location of the US progressed Moon; that makes sense.

The Madman of Mara Lago’s days are numbered.

Wow, Nancy. Thank you for your good work and for orienting us during this coming period that’s being introduced by economic and health instability. I feel calmer now (and also having been reminded that mercury is retrograde). I also look forward to Trump being challenged and tested, hoping that his true colors will be apparent to all. I don’t wish for a bad economy or people to be sick, of course. Let karma do its work.

Will, I don’t consider it a super cure but I do eat minced or sliced raw garlic daily on toast. I generally put it on lightly sauteed Ezekiel bread with either egg whites (& an occasional yolk or a bit of one) and a small piece of Light Life Smart Bacon (vegetarian but high sodium) and/or avocado. I’ve been eating this at least 6 mo. now & it’s solved the age-old problem for me of what’s for breakfast.

And now on to the SC primary and Super Tuesday. I can understand your not wanting to write about the election, Nancy, with so much happening, so much still undecided.

Courage, everyone!

I just looked up the meaning of Mar-a-Largo, since I love the Spanish language so much, and found the following it interesting enough to share. It long precedes Donald Trump.

“Etymology. The company identifies the name Mar-a-Lago as Spanish for “Sea-to-Lake”, referring to the fact that the resort extends the entire width of Palm Beach, from the Atlantic Ocean to what is now the Intracoastal Waterway, but previously was known as Lake Worth.
Location: 1100 S. Ocean Blvd., Palm Beach, Fl…
Built: 1924–1927
Area: 110,000 sq ft (10,000 m2)”

Mar-a-Lago – Wikipedia

Will: Thank you for your input. I am just trying to help. Hopefully, one will do all they can to boost their immune system and try natural alternatives along with traditional medicine. I for one will try the garlic if sick along with other meds — natural and traditional.

I have had some thoughts lately to amend the universally accepted diagnosis of Trump. We all see the Narcissistic Personality Disorder. it is hard to argue with that.

But what is less known is that those with an axis 2 diagnosis, i.e., a personality disorder, often become more obviously pathological (“decompensate”) under protracted and intense pressure. Although paranoia is not a symptom of Narcissistic PD, Trump has clearly developed paranoid delusions, as well as grandiose delusions. Could he now have a Delusional Disorder on Axis one?

And what is so creepy, is that his entourage, as well as the GOP in general, are so afraid of his volatility and anger, that they are parroting the paranoia to please him and not get on his bad side. Thus, everything is either supportive of him or a conspiracy to harm him, even a disease that started in China.

editing error: pls remove the word “it” in the first paragraph above.

I would ever claim garlic cures anything, but it is a food that helps boost your immune system. A doctor of mine years ago suggested an immune power soup you make with garlic, onions and tomatoes. I throw them in a food processor, and they make a nice base for anything you want to add. Mushrooms, turmeric and fennel are all immune boosters, too.

If you like supplements, I’ve used echinacea for decades. The best ones are made with purpurea root. Another immune system booster. You can find it at Amazon.

I’ve also used essential oils since I went to massage school and love them. Many are antiviral. The best is a mixture called Thieves,supposedly named for grave robbers during the plague who used it to keep from getting the plague. You can buy leaning products and hand soap with Thieves in it or buy the oil mixture.

This is controversial advice. Many people say to never ingest essential oils, and I hardly ever do. But when I’ve been around someone sneezing or sniffling, I puta drop of thieves in my mouthwash morning and night and swish it around. When I say one drop,I mean one drop. The stuff is very powerful.

You can also get the oil and put some in your own cleaning products or diffuse in your house. The gold standard for oils is the Young Living brand, and it’s expensive. About $40 for a tiny bottle, but you only use a few drops at a time. I use a brand recommended at my massage school, Ancient Wisdom, and can vouch for their purity. Their Thieves blend is called AncientRobbers. Just ordered a bottle myself.

Also, probiotics help protect your immune system. My doctor recommends Ultimate Flora.

Those are my best immune support tips, all things I’ve used myself for decades.

The Madman of Mara Lago, a most appropriate title.


So understand your Trump fatigue. He’s exhausting in a way I’ve never felt before. The stress never ends.

I’ve read so much speculation about his mental health, but lately, a lot of it is about dementia. I see a lot of behavior reminding me of my MIL with Alzheimer’s.

There may be some organic decline and therefore some loss of memory. I don’t see actual Alzheimer’s.

But what I do see is a very compulsive, overwhelming narcissism. He cannot get past it. Everything is about him: what is good for him or what opposes him. I don’t think he registers much else, like national security, health of the citizenry, alliances, etc.

And any narcissistic injury cannot be let go of until the one criticizing or opposing is crushed. So he still attacks Hillary, Obama, McCabe, etc. He can’t let these things go; he brings them up over and over, thus a kind of obsessive compulsiveness.

This whole picture has now morphed from being thin-skinned and irritable into endless conspiracy theories and paranoid delusions. It is as if the narcissism is now on steroids, in order to protect the fragile ego.

Talk about narcissistic personality disorder – take a look at this – what some wealthy, “literary” women are buying for handbags these days – destroying the western world’s literary heritage in the process – for what?. While the real issues are ignored by these privileged ladies of style in Europe, N. America and elsewhere – like flu pandemics, health care in general, crazy politics, the degrading environment and the whole lot. Disgusting.


It is always so great to have your perspective, Nancy.
Thank you very much.

Two health products I would like to recommend are ‘Restore’ which promotes Immune function and Virattack also for Immune support. With these and other supplements I have been free of illness for two years.

Nancy, as always, thank you, thank you, thank you!!!

Trumps fear of germs must be surely putting his brain cells in overdrive at the moment too

Thanks for the all the help in regards to herbs and immune boosters;

Yes, Trump will really fatigue you; I have never been so exhausted and burn out but we gotta keep trucking and fighting for democracy and our futures and children’s futures.


Hi. I am sorry if I came off heavy-handed about your garlic claims. I know you intentions were noble. I felt compelled because I have several people close to me who have relied upon food and plants to cure themselves and came close to death because they refused to get medicinal intervention until they got very I’ll. It scared me and I was upset with them for their rigid posture toward any modern medicine.
No hard feelings, truly.

Thank you once again Nancy for your stellar insights.. and a much belated birthday greeting from your birthday twin 🙂

Will: It’s all good.

I happen to think this was an incredibly smart move.

“Seeking to draw a direct contrast with President Trump and present himself as the best Democratic alternative, Michael R. Bloomberg will deliver a three-minute prerecorded address on the coronavirus outbreak in an ad on network television Sunday night, his campaign announced.”


Joe Biden won SC handily, and Tom Steyer suddenly got covered by every news outlet because he dropped out. I’m glad that Joe Biden did well. Super Tuesday has a lot of states like South Carolina, so he won’t lose them all, although Bernie will probably get more delegates in total. But I have to admit, I was kind of relieved that the world hasn’t gone completely bonkers for Bernie, even though we probably have to get used to the idea that he’s going to win the nomination.

Ja, my thoughts exactly about Bloomberg addressing the nation on how he would deal with th coronavirus. If he does that with every issue that comes up he will contrast himself with Trump, show how he would govern and distinguish himself among the other Democrats. I personally support Warren, though and wish it was she taking this on. It’s brilliant.

Pence is such a grovelling suck up, ….. ‘the president took decisive and unprecedented action’

A worthwhile YouTube video from Robert Reich’s series, The Common Good is entitled
The Establishment vs Bernie Sanders, the Coronavirus & the Stock Market
It was published 27 Feburary.

Reich maintains our political divide is not Left/Right horizontal, but Anti-establishment vs Establishment vertically. He understands Dem establishment fears that with Bernie (or E. Warren) Nov. 2020 would be like 1972, but says that is very wrong. He maintains that if we have a brokered convention and the superdelegates choose Bloomberg or Biden, we’ll have another 1968.

I have faith in his analysis as mostly correct, but also see older voters and some moderate voters propensity to overreact to the word “socialist.”

Sorry, I cant post the web address from this device.

Thank You once again for your sagacious astrological views on what’s coming.

You are correct IMO about Trump ‘s paranoia. Also, I’m amazed at T’s capacity and propensity to bring out the worst in people, be they followers or adversaries. Even dedicated, lifelong pacifists want to see the man tortured, to suffer terribly and die.

One old friend of mine, a pastor at a very progressive church said he wants T treated like a potentially rabid dog. In Texas, after a dog bite when there is suspicion of rabies, the dog is killed and sent to a lab that beheads the animal and studies its brain to see if it really is rabid or was afflicted with some other communicable disease.

Another peace loving friend suggested we helicopter the entire T family over a seething volcano and one by one drop them into the bubbling lava below.

I’ve heard quite a number invoking the French Revolution, asking, “Where are those guillotines when we need them?”

Mr.T engenders an enormous amount of hate, in his followers AND his opponents, albeit hate directed in different directions. In my mind, he is the absolute weirdest president we’ve ever had.

Mike Bloomberg may not spend on Bernie Sanders if he’s Democratic nominee


“Close your eyes and imagine the reaction from Republican leaders and the pro-Trump pundits if it was Obama, rather than Trump, who cut the deal with the Taliban that released 5,000 Taliban enemy prisoners.”


Afghan Peace Deal Hits First Snag Over Prisoner Releases


ON CORONA VIRUS SPREAD: “people existing very close together, which aids transmission,” said Brandon Brown, an epidemiologist at UC Riverside. Perhaps the closest comparison to the prison scenario would be cruise ships, he said, where large populations living in close quarters have illustrated the virus’ explosive spread. Scientists have another concern: feces. In addition to the virus surviving for hours on surfaces — handrails, elevator buttons and even exchanged business cards — researchers suspect major contagion occurs in shared bathroom settings.

Fecal contamination is an “occasionally dramatic accelerator in coronavirus outbreaks,” said Dr. Michael Callahan, an infectious disease physician at Massachusetts General Hospital. That’s almost inevitable in prison settings, where dozens of inmates share open toilets or buckets for defecation. Former detainees in China also describe overcrowding, unclean food and poor ventilation in prisons and holding centers.”


Jimmy Kimmel on Trump asking Pence to lead the government response to the coronavirus:

“He really wants him dead.
And let’s hope ass-kissing is not a communicable disease.”

Starlight, the factoid that US Progressed Moon is at 24 Cap, the current position for Pluto, really brings home the deep anxiety we are feeling about the pandemic, the administration, the stock market. Brilliant, and it validates all that anxiety and fear.

Right now Joe Biden has Saturn transiting sextile his Sun/Venus conjunction, and, as the candidate of stability, of taking us back to the Obama era, of giving us some comfort and empathy, may make him just the right antidote to that pervasive anxiety.

The transits on Super Tuesday are such a mixed bag, though. I can’t tell if Pluto transiting opposite his Jupiter is good. Mars is transiting sextile his Mars, Jupiter is sextile his Mercury and Venus is trining his Chiron. These seem very positive. But, BLM and Chiron are right on top of his Eris, and he has some background noise that’s stressful, like Uranus hovering over his Moon. I hope he gives Bernie a run for his money.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta said on CNN’s Fareed Zarakia show that “a virus does not respect boundaries”, or words to that effect. It’s a Neptune thing. Of course, I should have known. Transiting Jupiter sextile transiting Neptune, exact on Feb. 20.

I know I should be writing on the candidates and I will. I just could never find anything definitive. Recently, I worked on Bernie’s which I had been avoiding. His shows the least amount of trouble and is perhaps the strongest, although Joe looks good around the election. I am most concerned about Saturn moving to square Joe’s Moon from 3/22 to 6/19. Bernie has Jupiter square to his Venus across the days of the Dem Convention and during and after the election. This suggests that if Joe actually wins, he will embrace Bernie and give him a big role. What seems more likely is that Bernie may pull this off all the way through. That is more or less the summary of what I will eventually pull together.

My concern about Bernie is around who he would get as VP and who would be in his cabinet. Would he bring in muscular, grounded, competent people or ideologues? One reason I prefer Joe, besides the more moderate policies, is that I know he will be surrounded by a strong capable team. I like Bernie’s strength and his fight, but I worry about how he would govern. I know the focus is on whether he could win, but I think this is also important beyond just the rhetoric. Everyone in the Democratic Party agrees on the long-term goals: health care coverage for everyone, much lower (if not ending) student debt, and shrinking the wealth gap. The question is how you get there in a reasonable, non-tumultuous way and who do you have leading the effort.

Chiro – Regarding the Pluto impact on US pr Moon, not only will Pluto transit the progressed Moon in May to early June, but progressed Moon will conjunct natal Pluto from July 23 to August 23. This could be about the virus, the Market, some other calamity, or the fear that Bernie is the nominee and he will lose to the Monster. But as you suggest, it definitely points to a time of deep anxiety among the American people. Given the second house Pluto in the US chart, and that this pr Moon/natal Pluto aspect comes during the second crossing of Saturn to US Pluto (7/22 to 8/4), we may well see another big Stock Market slide and economic contraction around then.

In my meditation, and of course it could be a delusion, I picked up Elizabeth Warren is going to get some kind of gain or recognition.

On Coronavirus, we will have infections, but it will not be as bad as the first countries affected with the disease. I do think we should stock up on some goods that may not be available in plenty for a couple of months.

If Biden can show ssome fight and energy, he has a good chance of being the nominee.

I find it really fascinating that so many regular commenters here prefer or lean towards the politics of the past with Biden and fear a Bernie nomination will lose to trump.

Isn’t astrology showing us we are due for a big shake up in the political and powerful order? Wouldn’t it be better to have a true battle over left v right this election to get where we need to go? Imagine actually winning on an unapologetic liberal platform or not. At least the battle is worthy. The right has already embraced the most extreme positions on guns, abortion, wealth, etc. The democrats keep trying to have it all ways and water down their policies and politics. It may have worked in the 90s but it has not worked well since 2010.

I fear between Biden’s past, his slipping mental acuity, the republicans will be able to lethally kill his chances and be another BS non issue (emails) election. I’d much rather they attack Bernies politics and force the country/media to really analyze “socialism”. Bernie is actually quite adept usually at speaking in a manner that dismisses attacks. I’d also be fascinated to see his online army go after the republicans. Lol.

Why the fear over the ideological battle if the astrology hints it’s coming regardless?

Side note, I’m not even a Bernie fan per se, just a liberal that believes Joe actually has a lot of liabilities in the general people are glossing over because polls and Obama nostalgia. my vote for now is with Mayor Pete, but that’s looking futile in today’s state of the race.

Starlight, I’m with you and your concerns about Bernie if he wins. He’s not a unifier which is what we need now and he’s actually quite stubborn when what we need is someone who will listen and find common interests to work together on. We have no idea who he might select for cabinet positions. I’d rather go with Biden or Bloomberg.

Openbrook, good points.

Openbook, is it worth the risk?

The Republicans are masters of the negative message and Bernie played right into it by saying things weren’t so bad in Castro’s Cuba!? And he visited Russia when it was the Soviet Union…and his wife is said to have bankrupted Burlington College she was president …and…and…

They almost did Obama in but, fortunately/unfortunately for him and us, there was a recession. If there is another one, then fine, Bernie might win, that’s true….and even if Biden is the candidate, he might lose, but is it worth the risk?

Lastly, to those who are progressive and want the future to come sooner (and dismantle banks and corporations), can we even manage that without doing it in stages? A one trillion deficit, many socialistic countries having a horrible quality of life (Denmark, Germany, Norway are often held up as the examples but they have had many years to get it right, taxes are quite high, people can only make so much money – something that doctors & lawyers in the U.S. are not used to, especially after spending so much time, $ & energy on training, and they are small countries)…

… and, should Bernie perhaps win, many, many people will fight this and vote out the Democrats in the House and Senate in 2020. Do we want that to happen again as it did in 2010 as it blocked many more reforms the Democrats had planned.

It’s easy to say don’t let fear stop you but for me, the risk is kind of high. As I said to my brother-in-law who sat out the election in 2016 because he didn’t want to vote for Hillary and was made at Obama for letting the Republicans fetter him (I’m not sure there was that much Obama could do) – I have two words for you: “Supreme Court”.

The prospect of even more right wing judges — now that is frightening.

I think things will move left, that many in the country want it to move left, but it has to be done smartly. I don’t think forcing too many reforms too soon on those who associate Democrats with all kinds of negative things will work.

Sorry to be a wet blanket. It may turn out that Bernie is the candidate and I will support him, and I hope others do the same if the candidate is Biden or, on a slim chance, Bloomberg, and I will be thrilled if all things progressive and good come true, but, with the SC at play, and our freedoms in general, I am particularly frightened.

Please don’t think I am trying to shut anyone down — please continue to discuss these issues.

It seems to me that with China’s factories closed at 25 percent and possibly more to come and the looming of future shortages of goods and products to American stores and retailers, it might stimulate companies to once again make products in the good old’ USA.


Spot on about DJT and the intense polarization and strife he brings out in people on all sides.

For myself, I will just say that I look forward to the day when the only thing we hear from DJT is silence. No more screeching, raging, ranting. No more tweets. When that particular font of profound ignorance and corrosive division is forevermore extinguished, what a relief and blessing that will be. Imagine it.

You are a very good person Sharon, and it would be fair and intelligent to move forward in the baby steps you suggest, if we had that choice. What Openbook is saying is we don’t have that option right now, according to what astrological events in play are implying now.

Only the people who have no options and are at the end of their ropes are in a crisis that could bring utter chaos to this country. Doctors and lawyers are not part of this group. Many of the people who support Bernie Sanders are.

I don’t see a baby step process available to us, it would be nice, but we are in for immediate and shocking transformation which will call for desperate measures.

Who can tell how far back the astrological signs were there that drastic measures were needed to save the US Democracy. There was the Jupiter-Neptune (+ Chiron) conjunction that was conjunct the US natal Moon (the US People) in May 2009, with its square between the Sun and Ceres that hinted at global warming while at the same time was sedating the US people with dreams and drugs (Neptune).

Then there was the 2014 Grand Cross between transiting Pluto opposite trans. Jupiter (+ US Sun) and trans. Uranus opposite trans. Mars (+ US Saturn), one of 7 squares between trans. Uranus and Pluto between 2012 and 2015. These squares were the descendants of the Uranus-Pluto conjunctions in the 60’s that transiting Neptune has been opposite in recent times.

Our system of government has been broken for decades, but not so bad that the People were alarmed enough to take measures to make deep changes, and now here we are at the crisis point where half measures are useless. Ay, there’s the risk.

The new Saturn-Pluto conjunction and the Sun-Pluto and Sun-Saturn and Sun-Ceres conjunctions, and the Ceres-Saturn and Ceres-Pluto conjunctions, all new cycles and all of them screaming across the US natal chart to US Mercury, open your eyes; wake up, take action and do something or you will lose it all.

This Trump period has been a desperate attempt to wake us up, to open our eyes and take action; serious action, not half measures.

None of our Dem candidates are the perfect knight (or knightress) in shining armor. Maybe that’s a good thing; maybe we, as a whole, have to become part of the action and get involved. A mini insurrection if you will; you know “I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take this anymore” kind of thing.

That’s what Bernie is good at. He rouses that feeling in people. So what if his plans don’t appear doable. They speak to the pain of US citizens and he give them hope. The man is sincere, nobody questions that.

The time to measure qualifications to be president has come and gone now and what we need is spirit! The rest will take care of itself – in due time. The old rules (beliefs) are dead and gone; we must make new rules starting right now if we are to survive.

Thanks, Barb. That is a good explanation. If what you are implying is true, the need for change is going to come at us and has to be managed correctly. (?). I think that there are others less controversial than Bernie who can manage the situation quite well. I’m not sure about him. He has many, many good qualities but I don’t want someone divisive. I want someone who appeals to the widest possible group of people without being wishy-washy or trying to please everyone. I’m not saying it’s not Bernie but I am not sure it is. Also, I didn’t say anything about baby steps – I said stages, which also can mean steps, but not baby steps as that won’t work. I do feel it has to be palatable, though, so enough reasonable people accept the changes.


“Only the people who have no options and are at the end of their ropes are in a crisis that could bring utter chaos to this country. Doctors and lawyers are not part of this group. Many of the people who support Bernie Sanders are.

I don’t see a baby step process available to us, it would be nice, but we are in for immediate and shocking transformation which will call for desperate measures.”

Thank you for your words.

Please watch this .. a powerful message that speaks to your words and that exact point you are making.

just a little over 2 minutes..


Sharon K,

If I might.. I understand your not there. As a Bernie supporter, I’m not even asking you to get there. I’m really not asking anyone. As you said in an earlier post that you hope we will all continue to discuss these issues. I appreciate that and I would very much like to ask that if you have watched or read anything that I have posted in support of Bernie, could you share your thoughts.. I genuinely would like to hear them.

Re: Killer Mike’s speech

Except that many millions of people outside of that much vaunted 1% have made brilliant and amazing lives themselves. Many, many millions.

Good rabble-rouser – truly good at that.

But now, show me the money; show me how. And I do not believe that “the rest will take care of itself.”

I will vote for Bernie if he gets the nod – but I am totally turned off by Killer Mike.

Mayor Pete just dropped out.

Can one of you who support Bernie remind me of a revolutionary leader in history who turned out to be someone who brought people together and governed well so that his ideas came to fruition. There must be one or some but I can’t think of who that would be.

Will, from whence the name “killer Mike”?


Maybe I got it wrong – but isn’t that the name of the guy who shouted out at that rally for Bernie? Killer Mike the Rapper?


Obama would be the name of someone who was revolutionary, brought people together and got things done.

I would say FDR was a revolutionary who brought the working poor and middle class together to reform our banks, economy and crony capitalism. In fact, Bernie reminds me of FDR in many respects. I was not always a Bernie supporter. I liked Pete and Amy but about a weeks ago, I felt that Bernie is heading a momentum that will sweep out Trump and his ilk. So I’m voting for him Super Tuesday. (in California)

Will, imho, Obama was not all that revolutionary on the spectrum but he did bring people together and got things done — but some of the better things were in the first 2 yrs when the Dems had all 3 branches, and in the last year when he did his executive orders, which Trump has spent the last 3 yrs undoing.

Elizabeth, I don’t remember specifics but I know that you and others have written beautifully about Bernie and I admire so much his stick-to-it-ness, his caring about helping others have a good quality of life and having a plan to make that happen, and his ability to fire people up, especially the young (understandably). We can’t function in a vacuum as the saying goes, so I am looking at the context of whether/how this will happen, tempered by my own experience/observations/sense of reality. I have said what I base it on. Just as a reminder, the Dems brought in a health care plan for all, that honored pre-existing conditions and other good things, and the Republicans put all their energy into shutting it down. Joe B wants to build it up again and I think there are those who will welcome that now. I just am not sure how Bernie’s plans can fly in the environment we are in, and I am not sure Warren’s could either…so, unless there is another recession (or depression, God forbid) or wake-up call — I don’t want to risk Trump or another Republican getting back in. I am waiting and watching and until then, support those who are more moderate but willing to be progressive and definitely willing to follow the Democratic agenda which we actually were not able to follow with the Republicans in charge of congress.

I guess I’m just more of an Obama Democrat but I will support Bernie if he is our nominee.

Today I mailed in my California ballot and I voted for Warren. Although, it looks like it will be between Biden and Bernie, especially now that Buttigieg dropped out.

I find myself tightening up when Biden speaks, waiting for him to lose his point and get lost in his thoughts. All of the others are more clear and stay on point. And, I don’t believe he will push for the changes we need to shift our economy away from fossil fuels which is critical, at least for me but also for the planet. With him I feel a deflation of the energy that is building for big change. However, my main thing is flipping the Senate. If you care about the Supreme Court and about major legislation on climate change, health care, immigration, gun safety, judicial appointments, civil rights, voting rights, then flipping the Senate is critical. I think Biden, more than Bernie will help that shift, in part because many of the Senators in battleground states are more like Obama Democrats and not in the Bernie camp.

I love the fire Bernie creates which is vital to winning but I fear with him we will lose any chance of winning over the Senate. I also appreciate how much Bernie has defined our issues. Both he and Obama brought the Democratic Party to where we are now on the issues. I voted for Warren because she knows how to get things done and with her I think we still have a pretty good chance of flipping the Senate.

Whomever our nominee is will be dragged through the mud and I really hope that our Party doesn’t panic but instead rallies to our nominee, like the Republicans rally around and protect their creature. Whomever we nominate will alienate a sizable chunk of our potential votes. A unifying ticket that brings in both political orientations would be the only way we have a chance.

Seeing as this is an astrology as well as political discussion blog (good on Starlight on both counts!), I’ve been trying to sort out in my own mind, with my own method as to how this election will turn out. It’s not like it isn’t going to affect the whole planet, not just lil’ ol’ USofA!

So, thanks to all the people dropping out of the Dem race, which makes it a lot easier to compare charts, there’s 5 main people left, besides DT and MP. 7 people in total, if you only look at their individual charts.

What I thought I’d do, to start, is to run a chart for the time that the election results should largely be in, namely California, Nov. 3, approx. 8pm – a straightforward transit chart, which I chose to locate in L.A. Then to make the 7 charts be comparable to the 8pm transit chart, I’ve progressed each birth chart to the same Greenwich mean time, namely 4 a.m.

The birth times are mostly noon because only Trump’s chart is known, but it ought to be good enough to judge some of their relative strengths on the day of the election (not including the vote of the electors, later on). It’s a simple approach. Bob and others probably will have much more sophisticated approaches, but it’s good enough to get an idea of where the strengths and weaknesses lie.

One thing that can’t be accounted for is the Ascendants and Midheavens of the candidates (again, except DT), so the analysis has to be limited to the aspects between the planets in the birth charts and the progressed charts, relative to the polls closing at 8pm LA time on Nov 4 (4am GMT).

Looking at the transit chart for 4 a.m. GMT, there is the following:

-Moon in Gemini is exactly (within half a degree) inconjunct (150) Jupiter in Capricorn.
-Venus in Libra is exactly inconjunct (150) Uranus in Taurus.
-Mars at 15 degrees Aries opposes Venus at 8 Libra.
-Sun is at 12 Scorpio.
-Neptune is at 18 PiscesRx.
-Mercury is at 25 Libra 55′, almost 26. Mercury is in trine aspect to the Moon, but not exactly so at 8pm LA time.
-Saturn is at 26 Capricorn.
-Ceres, at 29 Aquarius, is the last planet the Moon will aspect before it changes signs and goes into Cancer (a la Horary).

Thus, even though the Moon is already more than half way through the sign, at 21 Gemini on the evening of Nov 3, it will still touch 3 planets, besides Jupiter (first), before the sign is out: Mercury, Saturn, Ceres. Perhaps there will be a sorting out process before the result is clearly known.

What do the charts tell about the effect of the election on the candidates?…..see next post

Re. the above, I should clarify that 8pm Nov. 3 in LA and 4am Nov 4 in Greenwich, England, are the SAME time, just in different time zones.

Looking at the transit chart, it appears to me that there are then 5 most significant aspects to which the candidates birth and progressed charts should strongly relate, if they have a reasonable chance at winning the election:

Any 21 degree aspect – because this would tie them to the Moon/Jupiter 21 degree aspect in the election closing chart. Aspects between the Moon/Jupiter are clearly about winning (Jupiter) and the people (Moon).

Any 8 degree aspect – because this would tie them to the Venus/Uranus 8 degree aspect in the election closing chart. Aspects between Venus (money) and Uranus (surprises/upsets) are clearly about the power of wealth (or lack thereof) and unexpected turns of events.

The election result appears to have a ‘built-in’ impact because of Uranus, so the result really may not be very predictable until the very end. In addition, Venus can be $wealth, as well as popularity, or credibility and respect (a different form of ‘currency’). How these elements are weighed in the public mind is hard to see, but Venus is in its own sign of Libra, which at least says the money/economy will be very important and Uranus being in Taurus, ruled by Venus, indicates a double dose – the economy and the stock market will dominate the minds of the electorate (but that’s nothing new).

Neptune, at 18PiscesRx is the planet the 21 degree Moon last touched in the election chart (a difficult square, 90 degrees). Neptune is for masses of people, propaganda (or brainwashing), the news media etc.

It is obvious the intense media coverage and propaganda campaigns will have set the tone for this election. Neptune is still well within orb of the square to the Moon on Nov 3, and will continue its influence until the finish. However, because the Moon has passed the point of exactness, chances are that some other factors will be in play by then, not just the media frenzy.

The aspect the Moon is headed toward right after the polls close is a trine (120) to Mercury at 25Libra55′, which in turn is square to Saturn at 26Capricorn24′. The Moon will hit the news (Mercury) and a rock (Saturn) at the same time.

To me, the initial news looks like a clear win for one of the candidates (trine, easy answer), but it is going to be resisted (inconjunct, dispute). Thus, obstacles to the election result should appear almost immediately.

Lastly, the Moon will trine Ceres at 29Aquarius24′. Aquarius is the sign that rules mass events, and mass rescues. The Moon hitting a planet at a critical degree, almost in the sign of Pisces (which rules hospitals and institutions like government), means (imo) that the election result may depend on more than just the political machinery of the moment. At a critical degree, there may not be a clear outcome for the election immediately. Or, perhaps there will be a lot of nail biting over what the college of electors will do.

Also, Ceres is an asteroid of home, hearth, and health. What could be affecting the population right in their own homes at this time?

In the US natal chart, Ceres is at 8 PiscesRx in the 3rd house of personal legal matters, as well as neighbours, the environment, siblings, etc. Could it be that the US will be in the middle of coordinating responses to a situation that involves a crisis (Uranus) with its neighbours around the planet? Is this the lingering impact of the coronavirus on the election – that it raises an awareness of our interdependency with our neighbours?

The US natal Ceres at 8 degrees Pisces certainly is connected to the Venus/Uranus aspect in the election chart – wealth/surprises. Perhaps the current epidemic situation and the way it is handled will have a lasting influence on the minds of the American public. Perhaps it will be weighed in the balance by the public enough to turn the election result.

More on the candidates next…

Will, I don’t believe Obama was a revolutionary. Transformative perhaps but even there, blocked by Mitch whom I detest. Castro and Lenin were revolutionaries. They blew it once they were in charge. I’m not comparing Bernie to either but the passion that drives Bernie I don’t believe will convert into an effective executive.

I don’t know what someone yelled out about Killer Mike, but why use it?

Thank you, Beowulfie, for undertaking this.

Very well said, Frank. Thank you.

Mayor Pete’s speech just now – magnificent & inspiring — made me cry and made my heart smile. He is a brilliant & articulate leader in the vein of Obama or JFK – and, in some significant ways, he might be the best candidate, a perfect balance of heart and mind. He will be back.

meanwhile ……
“A federal judge ruled on Sunday that Kenneth T. Cuccinelli II was unlawfully appointed to lead United States Citizenship and Immigration Services and that two policies he put in place that limited asylum seekers’ access to counsel should be nullified.”

Sharon K, I had a similar reaction to Mayor Pete’s speech. I kept wondering where he would be most effective in the next administration. Of course, he’d be a great VP but assuming that we have a male president, I think he’ll feel compelled to select a female and probably minority VP. Where do you think Mayor Pete would be best.? Chief of staff? Sec’y of State?

Sharon, thank you for your thoughtful response.

“so I am looking at the context of whether/how this will happen, tempered by my own experience/observations/sense of reality.”

It’s true that we are all seeing this primary through those lenses and we all have to come to the conclusions that sit well with us, that fit our own sense of security and what we deem possible.

“I don’t want to risk Trump or another Republican getting back in.” – I feel the same, I guess we just disagree which one of the candidates is a risk.

At the end of the day, it is my sincerest hope that the universe supports all of us in ushering in a new day come November 3rd.

Thank you, Elizabeth, and amen to that. I know that the Democrats have the best candidates without question and most have been practicing their speaking skills for well over a year now (in some case, many years) and this allows their heart and soul and intellects to shine through. There is so much at stake and so many factors that will influence what happens. Mayor Pete enumerated our values so clearly. Let’s stay the course!

Banks, I’d like to see him in the Senate.

Looking at the charts of the candidates, themselves, here briefly, is where I see them ending up:

Donald Trump/ Mike Pence: both have many, many aspects to the planets in the election result chart for Nov 3 (Nov 4, 4am GMT). The main thing I see is a 21 Gemini progressed Uranus aspect conjunct the election chart’s Moon at the same degree, and opposing Trump’s natal Moon at 21 Sagittarius. If he wins, because the progressed Uranus is in the 9th house of legislation, I would take this to mean he wins again through the college of electors, not the popular vote.

However, DT also has the election Saturn inconjunct (150) to his natal Mars at 26 Leo and his natal Ascendant at 29 Leo. This does not look like a clear win to me. Also, the election Venus at 8 Libra is square (90) his natal Mercury and the election Uranus is sextile (60) the natal Mercury at the same time. It’s a bit of a mixed bag. Again, it suggests a possible ‘technical’ upset win – that could be electronic election machinery or whatever, or more events like Iowa. No way to tell, but it seems complicated.

As to the Dem candidates, they all have connections to the election chart. How could they not? They have come a long way already!

Elizabeth and Amy’s aspects do not make it on their own to the presidency, imo, as compared to DT, Bloomberg or Bernie. But either of them could become VP or some important position in the administration. I’ll leave them there.

Bloomberg has many, many hits relative to the election chart. On first glance, he looks like the Dem winner, but Bernie is neck and neck with him all the way as to the number of aspects. So, which is the stronger?

Amazingly (I could not have anticipated it), both Bernie and Bloomberg have exact aspects to the election chart’s ‘winner aspects’ – the 21 degree Moon/Jupiter combination.

Bernie has his progressed Moon conjunct election Jupiter and inconjunct the election Moon.

Bloomberg has his progressed Jupiter conjunct election Moon and inconjunct the election Jupiter.

If you take the approach that the Moon is the most important planet because it represents the people, then Bloomberg’s Jupiter (money and influence) would appear to carry the day. Bernie’s own Moon is only inconjunct (150 degrees) to the people’s Moon, so he has a problem appealing to the population as a whole.

Where does that leave Joe? His strength is his personal history and it is a strength indeed, but it is his weakness as well. His chart has many hits to the election chart from the natal chart level, but not so many from the progressed level. In contrast, both Bernie and Bloomberg have lots of hits from both the natal AND the progressed level of their charts, in relation to the Nov.3 election chart. I’d say it won’t be enough for Biden to match the Trump/Pence onslaught, if he wins the nomination.

The Dem candidate in the election could just as easily be Bernie as Bloomberg because they both relate to the election chart as above. But, for the sake of argument, let’s say the election is going to be billionaire,Bloomberg, vs. multimillionaire, Trump. How do they stack up against each other?

Believe it or not (I did not make this up), both DT and Bloomberg have VERY strong aspects to the election chart’s 21 Gemini Moon, as well as the 21 Capricorn Jupiter.

Trump’s natal Moon is at 21 Sagittarius and his progressed Uranus (surprises, Uranus rules electronics) will be at 21 Gemini, conjunct the 8pm election Moon at 21 Gemini. So, Trump’s natal Moon opposes (180) the election Moon. His desires and needs (Moon) appear to be opposite to the desires and needs of the people, but his Moon is assisted by Uranus (conjunct).

Bloomberg’s natal Juno is at 21 Scorpio and his progressed Jupiter will be at 21 Gemini, conjunct the election Moon. Bloomberg’s Jupiter is in line with the election Moon and supports it, but he is not sufficiently supported (imo) by Juno. Also, Bloomberg’s Jupiter is inconjunct the election Jupiter, so his money likely doesn’t sit too well with the population, which understandably is leery of billionaires running things as it is, never mind taking over government outright.

So, Bloomberg has a problem and Trump has a problem. There are too many aspects to parse (and what would be the basis for weighing them?).

It’s too close to call, imo. The coronavirus may be the thing that tips it, or the stock market, or people just wanting a change!

Change may be Trump’s progressed Uranus opposing Trump’s Moon. Out the door he goes! Or Bloomberg’s progressed Jupiter conjunct the election Moon could be a change – and a lucky strike for him.

Does Uranus ‘trump’ Jupiter? I don’t know the answer to that.

Pete has dropped out and I’m super depressed. And even weirder to me now that I’m posting in support of Bernie and will vote for him now in my primary in FL. There’s a lot I don’t like about the culture of Bernie, but I do like the actual politics of Bernie. And if you believe polls, so do most americans on the issues. Such odd times we live in.

But to Sharon and others, I’m not really afraid of the risk of Bernie. I also think the senate is more important then the presidency. And I think clinging to the past and old ways are much riskier. Sadly I don’t believe there truly is a real desire for less division, as much as I wish it were so. hence my Pete love.

I also fear a lot of bernies more controversial statements, (and I’m in Miami) but not quite as much as I fear Biden’s gaffes and mental lapse’s and Bloomberg’s disgusting past and the brutal ruthlessness of Republicans making hay out of bullshit. Bernie has a great way of squashing the BS. I do like that.

I guess my point is the times and astrology are obvious to me, that we must truly confront the power structures that currently exist to truly grow and I’m not seeing that path for any other dem to truly do that then Bernie right now. If we lose to trump, I’d much rather go down with him, his politics and his coalition than Biden or Bloomberg. And don’t even get me started on what a slap in face Bloomberg’s candidacy is to democratic values.

PS thank you barb and beowulfie for your always great insights and deep dives.

Your points are well-taken, Openbook (and I lived in Miami for almost 30 yrs, up until 16 yrs ago – not that that means anything to this discussion except that most of the Cubans there absolutely hate Castro). Bloomberg is not perfect but I think he has learned, grown, and done much good. I like a lot of what I see and don’t want to hold his past against him. It’s admirable to know what you like and what you want and don’t want. At the same time, it’s also good to keep an open mind. Namaste.

Banks, Sharon K,

I suppose what matters is how one defines revolutionary. For me, Obama being the first African American president and that he was dignified and empathic to the plight of people was revolutionary enough for me.

I am not afraid if Bernie Sanders should he get the nod; he will be hemmed in more than he could ever have imagined by the Senate and the House and forced to compromise a great deal. For those of you who think he is going to turn free enterprise on its head, I think you can take a breath and relax because that probably won’t come to pass. My concern is that Bernie will have a hard time coming to agreements.

I suppose the real revolutionary would be DT because he’s the first president to ever defy the legislative and judicial branches, the first president to be a pathological liar and the first to apparently have not a shred of decency. He’s certainly turned the country upside down and inside out.

“I don’t know what someone yelled out about Killer Mike, but why use it?” Not sure what this means.

Starlight – thank you for your new vision; its probably smart to hold back to see which candidates are left standing before studying their charts.


Thank you for your careful observations.

Will, In that case, Pete Buttigieg is also revolutionary (but not “a revolutionary” in the traditional sense) as he is really one brave man. I always admired him greatly but am now that much more impressed with him having witness the elegant way he has handled his exit. His perfectly delivered speech (without notes or a telepromter) brought me to tears at more than one point. Just that fact that he happens to be an unapologetic gay man who loves his mate and wants to be a role model for gay youth everywhere is but one of his exemplary qualities. Separately, I just saw a photo of Bloomberg speaking to the congregation of a church in Selma today, and several people, maybe as many as 10, stood up and turned their backs on him. Whoo, that must have hurt.

I just want to say that I hope everyone here stays safe and observes the protocol and hygienic practices advised, as well as stocks up on canned, frozen, and bottled food and drink and medicine as we might have to be limiting how much we go to public places in the not-too-distant future.

Here’s a very informative article that I’ve found.


NewsScope for March 2, 2020
By Michael O’Reilly

Stock Markets Plunge Amidst Coronavirus Threat


thanks for posting health tips Sharon.
Additional info in this long post, passed on thru a friend of my sister-in-law’s:

Info from a friend/pathologist: Dear Family and Friends, as some of you may recall, when I was a professor of pathology at the University of California San Diego, I was one of the first molecular virologists in the world to work on coronaviruses (the 1970s). I was the first to demonstrate the number of genes the virus contained. Since then, I have kept up with the coronavirus field and its multiple clinical transfers into the human population (e.g., SARS, MERS), from different animal sources.

The current projections for its expansion in the US are only probable, due to continued insufficient worldwide data, but it is most likely to be widespread by mid to late March and April.

Here is what I have done and the precautions that I take and will take. These are the same precautions I currently use during our influenza seasons, except for the mask and gloves.:

1) NO HANDSHAKING! Use a fist bump, slight bow, elbow bump, etc.

2) Use ONLY your knuckle to touch light switches. elevator buttons, etc.. Lift the gasoline dispenser with a paper towel or use a disposable glove.

3) Open doors with your closed fist or hip – do not grasp the handle with your hand, unless there is no other way to open the door. Especially important on bathroom and post office/commercial doors.

4) Use disinfectant wipes at the stores when they are available, including wiping the handle and child seat in grocery carts.

5) Wash your hands with soap for 10-20 seconds and/or use a greater than 60% alcohol-based hand sanitizer whenever you return home from ANY activity that involves locations where other people have been.

6) Keep a bottle of sanitizer available at each of your home’s entrances. AND in your car for use after getting gas or touching other contaminated objects when you can’t immediately wash your hands.

7) If possible, cough or sneeze into a disposable tissue and discard. Use your elbow only if you have to. The clothing on your elbow will contain infectious virus that can be passed on for up to a week or more!
What I have stocked in preparation for the pandemic spread to the US:

1) Latex or nitrile latex disposable gloves for use when going shopping, using the gasoline pump, and all other outside activity when you come in contact with contaminated areas.

Note: This virus is spread in large droplets by coughing and sneezing. This means that the air will not infect you! BUT all the surfaces where these droplets land are infectious for about a week on average – everything that is associated with infected people will be contaminated and potentially infectious. The virus is on surfaces and you will not be infected unless your unprotected face is directly coughed or sneezed upon. This virus only has cell receptors for lung cells (it only infects your lungs). The only way for the virus to infect you is through your nose or mouth via your hands or an infected cough or sneeze onto or into your nose or mouth.

2) Stock up now with disposable surgical masks and use them to prevent you from touching your nose and/or mouth (We touch our nose/mouth 90X/day without knowing it!). This is the only way this virus can infect you – it is lung-specific. The mask will not prevent the virus in a direct sneeze from getting into your nose or mouth – it is only to keep you from touching your nose or mouth.

3) Stock up now with hand sanitizers and latex/nitrile gloves (get the appropriate sizes for your family). The hand sanitizers must be alcohol-based and greater than 60% alcohol to be effective.

4) Stock up now with zinc lozenges. These lozenges have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx. Use as directed several times each day when you begin to feel ANY “cold-like” symptoms beginning. It is best to lie down and let the lozenge dissolve in the back of your throat and nasopharynx. Cold-Eeze lozenges is one brand available, but there are other brands available.

I, as many others do, hope that this pandemic will be reasonably contained, BUT I personally do not think it will be. Humans have never seen this snake-associated virus before and have no internal defense against it. Tremendous worldwide efforts are being made to understand the molecular and clinical virology of this virus. Unbelievable molecular knowledge about the genomics, structure, and virulence of this virus has already been achieved. BUT, there will be NO drugs or vaccines available this year to protect us or limit the infection within us. Only symptomatic support is available.

I hope these personal thoughts will be helpful during this potentially catastrophic pandemic. Good luck to all of us

No matter who — I’ll vote blue… but…

With every commercial I detest Bloomberg that much more. I’m sick of the 1% buying elections. And Bloomberg only got in when Bernie and Liz were on the upswing — this is as much about saving his money than anything else! He’s just like all the other 1%’s… wants to cut the safety net and have people pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. As one on SS only now, he scares me as much as DT.

I think it’s a crying shame that Bernie is beating out Liz. Their policies are so similar — but it seems this country is terrified of a female prez.

That being said, Bernie doesn’t scare me much. I think the two houses of congress with redefine executive power back within the constrains of the constitution. Bernie can’t get away with things like DT. Also, I see the EO’s being cut way back, if not actually regulated.

But we need someone who WILL shake up this system. We need someone who will expand the SCOTUS, pull the weeds of Trump plants, and try to bring some of the decades-long civilian workers back into the government. That means undoing a lot of what T did to ruin civil service. There’s SO much to be done to get us ready to go into 2024.

As for a couple of adages that keep getting kicked around every election year —

a) No one will be able to “bring us together” or be a “uniter,” no matter who. The country is too divided; it’s gonna take time and (probably) trouble before they can shake off the power surge they felt under T and come back to civilization again.

b) No matter who our candidate is, the R’s ALWAYS say “X” is the most liberal candidate the Democrat party has.” It makes no difference if the candidate is a flaming liberal like Bernie, a Third-Way’er like Obama, or a Repub turned Ind turned Democrat like Bloomberg. That’s just their line of first attack.

c) Getting out the vote and outnumbering them is what it’s gonna take this time. Make that number so huge the machines can’t cheat enough to kill it. We aren’t gonna get the die-hard Trumpies to our side, and I hate them for disrupting our Primaries. We’re gonna have to tackle that problem in the near future, too. “Those” people have to grow up and learn they’re not the be-all in the Universe… and that includes sweeping all the religious nuts out of OUR White House, too.

So again, no matter who — vote blue. I’ll even hold my nose and vote for the least favorite of mine — the other self-entitled billionaire. Anything to get T out of there and hold on to our Democracy.


Hooray for slightKC! She tells it like it is!

The R’s have successfully assaulted unions for decades, until now they are weaker than ever. Simultaneously, the Dems have done nothing to help unions while still expecting their votes.

It is important I believe to realize how Dems as a whole are rediscovering their FDR roots, reembracing unions and the labor movement. Every Dem candidate, be they moderate or progressive, with the one exception of Bloomberg, has staked out strong positions supporting unions and workers rights.

Bloomberg calls himself a moderate Dem. He is not. He is a more of a moderate R, which is to say comparable to a conservative Dem. To me, he is really a R in Dem clothing, not someone I or many others could vote for with any enthusiasm.

If the superdelegates give Bloomberg the nomination, (the only way he can get it) Dem turnout will be depressed, and we will lose the election. Against Trump, Bloomberg is a guaranteed loser candidate, no matter how much money he puts in the race.

From your astrological perspective, is there any chance the coronavirus could interfere with any of the primary election days, or our Nov. presidential election?

It is not inconceivable to me Trump might reverse his stance on the coronavirus and opt to cancel the election using the pandemic as an excuse. He might even declare martial law on that basis anytime between now and the election, especially if he believes he will lose.

I understand the feeling about Bloomberg. Whether misguided or not, I think his main & only motivation is to beat Trump, & he also believes none of the others can do it. He is doing a good deal for the world with his Beyond Coal foundation & through a myriad of other orgs. I hope he is smart enough to bow out & get out of the way if he should need to.

Thanks so much, Kiwi, by the way.

Sent to me from an old university friend:

“My friends, do not lose heart. We were made for these times. I have heard from so many recently who are deeply and properly bewildered. They are concerned about the state of affairs in our world now. Ours is a time of almost daily astonishment and often righteous rage over the latest degradations of what matters most to civilized, visionary people.

You are right in your assessments. The lustre and hubris some have aspired to while endorsing acts so heinous against children, elders, everyday people, the poor, the unguarded, the helpless, is breathtaking. Yet, I urge you, ask you, gentle you, to please not spend your spirit dry by bewailing these difficult times. Especially do not lose hope. Most particularly because, the fact is that we were made for these times. Yes. For years, we have been learning, practicing, been in training for and just waiting to meet on this exact plain of engagement.

I grew up on the Great Lakes and recognize a seaworthy vessel when I see one. Regarding awakened souls, there have never been more able vessels in the waters than there are right now across the world. And they are fully provisioned and able to signal one another as never before in the history of humankind.

Look out over the prow; there are millions of boats of righteous souls on the waters with you. Even though your veneers may shiver from every wave in this stormy roil, I assure you that the long timbers composing your prow and rudder come from a greater forest. That long-grained lumber is known to withstand storms, to hold together, to hold its own, and to advance, regardless.

In any dark time, there is a tendency to veer toward fainting over how much is wrong or unmended in the world. Do not focus on that. There is a tendency, too, to fall into being weakened by dwelling on what is outside your reach, by what cannot yet be. Do not focus there. That is spending the wind without raising the sails.

We are needed, that is all we can know. And though we meet resistance, we more so will meet great souls who will hail us, love us and guide us, and we will know them when they appear. Didn’t you say you were a believer? Didn’t you say you pledged to listen to a voice greater? Didn’t you ask for grace? Don’t you remember that to be in grace means to submit to the voice greater?

Ours is not the task of fixing the entire world all at once, but of stretching out to mend the part of the world that is within our reach. Any small, calm thing that one soul can do to help another soul, to assist some portion of this poor suffering world, will help immensely. It is not given to us to know which acts or by whom, will cause the critical mass to tip toward an enduring good.

What is needed for dramatic change is an accumulation of acts, adding, adding to, adding more, continuing. We know that it does not take everyone on Earth to bring justice and peace, but only a small, determined group who will not give up during the first, second, or hundredth gale.

One of the most calming and powerful actions you can do to intervene in a stormy world is to stand up and show your soul. Soul on deck shines like gold in dark times. The light of the soul throws sparks, can send up flares, builds signal fires, causes proper matters to catch fire. To display the lantern of soul in shadowy times like these – to be fierce and to show mercy toward others; both are acts of immense bravery and greatest necessity.

Struggling souls catch light from other souls who are fully lit and willing to show it. If you would help to calm the tumult, this is one of the strongest things you can do.

There will always be times when you feel discouraged. I too have felt despair many times in my life, but I do not keep a chair for it. I will not entertain it. It is not allowed to eat from my plate.

The reason is this: In my uttermost bones I know something, as do you. It is that there can be no despair when you remember why you came to Earth, who you serve, and who sent you here. The good words we say and the good deeds we do are not ours. They are the words and deeds of the One who brought us here. In that spirit, I hope you will write this on your wall: When a great ship is in harbor and moored, it is safe, there can be no doubt. But that is not what great ships are built for.

By Clarissa Pinkola Estes

American poet, post-trauma specialist and Jungian psychoanalyst, author of Women Who Run With the Wolves.

Will, a million thank yous for that inspiring and so appropriate quote.


“If the superdelegates give Bloomberg the nomination, (the only way he can get it) Dem turnout will be depressed, and we will lose the election. Against Trump, Bloomberg is a guaranteed loser candidate, no matter how much money he puts in the race.”
– I completely agree. He has said, He is staying “til the bitter end”.

I’ve been wanting to ask if you watched that video? I was really curious what you thought of it? I think Anand Giridharadas speaks to the times so magnificently. He has done several really wonderful interview in regards to his book, “Winners Take All”. It’s next on my reading list.

Will, many likes for that post. I will print it and share.

Eliseo – Trump will do whatever he can, irrespective of law or precedent, to help himself. What that may be, I have no idea. We have to assume he will lie, cheat, and steal as much as he can in order to win again. Otherwise, he will likely face indictments on at least a few fronts. Above all, we must be careful not to play be the old rules while he plays by a his own set. In other words, we can’t bring a knife to a gun fight.

I often tell my therapy clients that the Universe will give you a strong nudge when you are going in the wrong direction. If that doesn’t work, it is a swift kick. As the penalty gets worse and worse, ideally, you eventually get back on track. I think of 2020 as the Universe giving a strong kick to America to wake the hell up.

Beginning in late May right through the election, there is a lot of turmoil in the Inaugural chart, including a huge crisis in September through mid-October. Perhaps a resurgence of coronavirus, along the pattern of the 1918 flu, or an economic meltdown, or both? Who knows.

But if you look at the Inaugural chart, the most important and difficult configuration is the Mars square to Saturn, both in minor hard aspect to the Moon. Aggressive policies that the public (the Moon) and the law, etc., push back against (Mars versus Saturn). Remember the first days of the administration with the women’s march and the huge backlash against the Muslim ban. This configuration was triggered then.

As of late May, Uranus opposes Inaugural Moon through mid-October. Uranus semisquares Mars and then sesquiquadrates Inaugural Saturn from mid September to November 4. Even worse for Trump, the Inaugural progressed Moon will be conjunct natal Saturn and progressed Saturn from 9/1 to 10/14. This spells crisis. Big demonstrations and spectacularly failing policies. A similar aspect was when Bush went through the economic crash ( If I remember, I think it was his Inaugural progressed Moon conjunct Saturn as well.).

And of course much of this happens when Saturn is stationary opposite Trump’s Venus 8/18 to 10/23. So a big crisis for him and his administration.

Someone sent me this link to pass around. It describes the many layers of Trump’s tax fraud:


From nyt’s:

‘Bernie or Biden. Period.
That’s the Democratic choice now.’

“Moderate voters need to make a decision now. If they continue to split their votes among multiple candidates, they will hand the nomination to Sanders. This reality clearly shaped Buttigieg’s decision to end his campaign — which was an impressive instance of a politician sublimating his own personal interests (amassing delegates and potentially being a convention kingmaker, in Buttigieg’s case) to a larger principle.

To be clear, I understand why many voters prefer Sanders over Biden. I see arguments in favor of each. But for Democrats who disagree with Sanders’s agenda or who worry he is a weaker general election candidate, there is now only one real alternative: Biden.”


Nancy, you ALWAYS find gold in them there Inaugural charts, and this one is a barrel full of diamonds. Thank you! I love what you said about 2020 being the Universe giving us (US) a strong kick to wake up. Perfect.

What Andre said, will.

Some of our heritage. This I will always believe. We will not perish from this earth. Brotherly love will always be.

Abraham, Martin, and John

Abraham, Martin & John – Ray Charles

Adviser to Iran’s supreme leader dies after falling sick from new coronavirus


Not yours tRump – MINE!

Before 2001
Ray Charles “America The Beautiful” 1991

After 9-11-2001
Ray Charles America the Beautiful 2001 World Series

lack of testing is the problem: NY city Dr begging to get testings

Bob, Ive often wondered if ‘america the beautiful’ was played much more frequently than ‘the star spangled banner’, whether it might contribute to a more calm and loving vibration in the country.

Pholus and the Pandemic of Panic


All of a sudden, the “novel” coronavirus is exploding into the news. That’s an interesting name — it does feel like it’s the plot from a novel: a government that has spent years getting rid of its scientists, deleting data from its websites and blocking access to health care is suddenly confronted by a global medical and scientific crisis.
The President revealed his true role when he assured the nation that the stock market would recover. Forget about all the infected patients. I know it’s not funny, but I’m sitting here laughing. Also, Trump claimed that half of the reason for the stock market dive was people’s fear that a Democrat might get elected president, instilled by the televised debate the previous night. Whatever it takes!

Is the virus a biological weapon? Did it come out of a lab? Right in Wuhan? Is 5G millimeter wave technology involved? Is Wuhan really a major test city for 5G technology? I do not consider these unreasonable questions. They might not be reasonable statements at this time, but as questions, they are acceptable, and they have a basis in reality.
And how about this, reported by the South China Morning Post:
“The new coronavirus has an HIV-like mutation that means its ability to bind with human cells could be up to 1,000 times as strong as the SARS virus, according to new research by scientists in China and Europe.


“My parents are lifelong Republicans. Never voted Dem, not even once. That’s changing tomorrow. –

Tomorrow, they’re driving to their polling location in North Carolina.

They’re casting their ballots for Joe Biden.

I don’t think I’ve ever been prouder.”

Democratic Underground https://democraticunderground.com/1287610769 via @demunderground

Kim Carey has a new video out on Intuitiview. Most of it is on the Caronavirus and a bit on the election.
She repeated what she said before about our being surprised at election results. I think the video is worth watching.

Kim Carey has a new video out on Intuitiview. Most of it is on the Caronavirus and a bit on the election.
She repeated what she said before about our being surprised at election results. I think the video is worth watching.

Big news day for Joe Biden! Both Pete and Amy are endorsing him.

Maybe Pluto opposite Jupiter is a good thing, but also, maybe the fact that Biden’s Jupiter is maybe just a degree away from lining up with the US prog Moon is an even better thing. This should really improve his Super Tuesday results, I would think. If all the non-Bernie supporters unite, Biden has a clear majority in every state (except maybe California).

kiwi—I have long wondered the same. America the Beautiful is a much brighter vibration. The Star Spangled Banner is much lower.

Re: Obama—he was no revolutionary other than the fact that he was the first African American President. Politically, he was actually quite moderate, perhaps even slightly right of center. FDR was the most recent revolutionary Presidency we have had.

Higher not brighter

Great article Nancy. The South Carolina primary results are a real turning point, one that will serve the greatest good – getting rid of the Madman of Mara Lago (nice one Nancy). While I’m probably to the left of Sanders, there is no need for Trump’s opponent to climb the steep hill of being a self designated socialist. We need a candidate that can gather everybody in one march to throw out the tyrant. If it’s Biden, they’ll do a Reagan – one speech for all occasions – and keep him away from interviews unless they’re well rehearsed.

In addition, when I look at Sanders he has a Jeremy Corbyn vibe and we know how that turned out.

As for the coronavirus, I just saw the Pence, Fauci, Redfield press conference. I was struck by the banal happy talk from Fauci and Redfield. We don’t care tht Fauci is happy to be reunited with a prior public health emergency effort – he practically glowed. And, the hear of CDC was doing a commercial about how great that organization is (just ask someone with chronic Lyme Disease). They’re whistling past the grave yard. Their PR stance belies a deeper fear, I suspect.

Thanks Angellight re: Pholus and the Pandemic of Panic.

Transiting Pholus in Cap was trine Uranus (breakthroughs) in Taurus and both were trine transPluto (the process of becoming whole) in Virgo, in the January 2020 Saturn-Pluto conjunction chart and the many, many other new cycles that were initiated at that time.

This would account for the Pholus slogan “small cause, big effect” as it relates to the coronavirus outbreak. Hard to see it as part of the “process of becoming whole” transPluto symbolism on first glance, but not the “shock and breakthroughs” of the Uranus symbolism.

With so many new cycles carrying this theme (grand trine between Uranus, Pholus and transPluto), any planet or point that squares, trines, opposes, etc. any of those planets that were gathered on or near 22+ Capricorn recently have the likelihood of setting off a chain reaction related to that Uranus, Pholus, transPluto energy.

It will hasten the transformation of our country – if not the entire planet. We must learn to pace ourselves for the onslaught of 2020’s numerous wakeup call(s) heading our way.

Kiwi and Banks – I am touched more emotionally deep by ‘America the Beatiful’ than I am by the “Star Spangled Banner” that does bring up some military memories for me.

Well, Sharon K, if Pete had you crying with his speech last night, how about Biden talking about Pete tonight? I still believe if Biden wins he would be best served and so would we, having Pete as his chief of staff. Remember Jim Baker? He helped Ronald Regan immensely and then went on to be Secretary of the Treasury.

Chief of Staff, huh? Not sure if Pete wants that role. He has to get comfortable with the role change here. I see him more in a governing position, which is why I suggested the Senate.

I’ve been watching MSNBC, Chris Hayes’s show just now (with Rob Reiner as guest and a presidential speech writer, and the host/hostess of “Rising Up”) and realizing more and more that it is not going to be easy to unite the progressive and the so-called moderate wings of the party.

Yes, that hostess drove me nuts and it’s not going to be easy to unite the Democratic Party….not at all.

Sharon, Banks,

I wonder if Klobuchar and Pete now backing Joe Biden won’t turn the tide in a very positive way. Maybe its my wish?


I agree he was a right-of-center moderate – but incredibly decent and not a bit of smarm. I believe what he did during an absolutely horrible time for us was extraordinary – and that is why I refer to him as revolutionary. He was truly in service to the nation.
I also will never forget how he admonished/rebuked the SCOTUS Justices at his first address of congress. It was powerful.

What I remember quite vividly was the next morning after he won the election – I as in Santa Monica and I actually felt a crackling sensation in the air – it was palpable, magical. I was so very proud of our nation that day – we did the unimaginable – we fulfilled the dream of Bobby Kennedy and Johnson and to me, that was a revolution. I suppose I am splitting semantic hairs here – but that’s what I felt.

More importantly that of Dr. Martin Luther King.


Bernie’s base won’t turn out for Biden. He puts young people to sleep. Obama created enthusiasm. Only Bernie does that this year.

Biden is having a moment thanks to his Pluto-Jupiter opposition, but this is making him over-optimistic. His chances are exaggerated at this time.

Saturn is in his first quadrant. This usually makes people turn inward. For the elderly, it is time for retirement. It is not a time for outward or social success. Unfortunately, this also applies to Bernie. Only Bloomberg escapes this.

The sad truth is none of them can unite the Democratic Party.


I disagree. I think even Bernie would have a hard time getting young people out. Unfortunately, the 29 and younger crowd (the exception being college campus voters) have an abysmal voting record.l
Especially among today’s young people who have cell-phones welded to their ears and the attention span of a gnats on molly, I don’t think its going to hurt Biden that much. What will hurt is if Sanders does to Biden what he did to HRC.

Warren and Biden have gotten a ton of play out of college students who have run up huge student loan debts by either loan forgiveness or no more student loans. That’s a huge ask with the national debt on top of Medicare for everyone. What I do think is possible is a compromise in the form of a generous loan-interest-balance-reduction if Warren and Sanders get behind whomever the Democratic nominee might be (I’m feeling Biden now). I think Joe Biden has plenty of juice left in him to serve as president. Joe knows how to pull people together and get things done legislatively. I think he’s the sweet spot, all gaffes, stutters and stumbles included.

Grace astrology:

“TUESDAY. Moon is still in Gemini, but its clever buzz may be stifled somewhat around 11:44 AM ET, when Venus — at the verrrrry end of warrior Aries — squares (challenges) streamlining, authoritative Saturn. Venus refers to money, women, art and social expression. We may see steely women in the news and serious cuts in the budget. Or serious cuts against women. Moon goes void on a lighter note at 9:20 PM ET, settling into Cancer at 11:25 PM ET. What comes to mind is that this is a dumb date for the Big Fat Super Tuesday primaries, with patterns reflecting strategy borne out of anxiety and fog — but please tell me you’re voting anyway. VOTE!!!”


Bernie’s young voter surge has not shown up in the first four primary/caucus states. The percentage of younger voters has stayed the same or gone down compared to 2008 and 20016.

Teresa Hill,


An additional note on my posts re. the candidates, above: I did a tally of the aspect ‘hits’, both natal and progressed, that each one has, relative to the Nov. 3, LA 8pm closing of the polls chart. I also compared them to the US natal charts, the Sagittarius rising chart used by Nancy and the Sibly chart.

Note, there are aspects at both natal and progressed levels for the candidates (2 charts each), so the individual results can have a more ‘hits’ than the US natal tally alone would show. Besides, this is a very crude approach, so take it with a grain of salt. Science, this ain’t.

Also, a caution: any election chart assumes it is a fair surrogate for the whole population as voters. Which is a ridiculous assumption: one chart for LA cannot predict the entire election. There ought to be at least 50 charts, plus the territories, or 200 million, for all the eligible voters. Which is why predicting elections is a fools game (present author included).

So, despite all that, what is there to see? How strong is each of the candidates, relative to the LA chart?

First, Trump: including 4 asteroids plus Chiron, and excluding his Ascendant (which we don’t have for the other candidates), Trump has 9 aspects at the same degrees as various planets in the Nov. 3 LA poll closing chart.

In particular, he has natal Moon at 21 Sagittarius and progressed Uranus at 21 Gemini, conjunct the election Moon at 21 Gemini. Those are 2 very strong exact aspects that connect directly to the people (election Moon). I’m not predicting, but it’s pretty clear that Trump has a winning hand – it isn’t perfect, but the Dem charts will have to be very, very good to beat him.

Bloomberg has 15 hits and natal Juno at 21 Scorpio, and progressed Jupiter at 21 Gemini, conjunct the election Moon. A direct hit to the election Moon is impressive, and 15 total is quite a lineup.

The thing that bothers me about Bloomberg’s progressed chart is that he has Saturn and Uranus conjunct at a critical degree, 29 Taurus, and they are inconjunct his natal Neptune at 29 Virgo. He has a grand progressed square as well and his progressed Moon opposes progressed Mars and inconjuncts progressed Pluto. Everything at late degrees is poised to change (and what a change winning the Presidency is!). But it is weird – he could win, or perhaps the connection to Neptune means he packs up and disappears. He doesn’t need the job, after all.

Perhaps Bloomberg’s purpose is served by running only – his running and his advertising are huge counter forces to Trump’s campaign. While Bloomberg probably really intends to win, if he sees signs of resistance or lack of support, maybe all he would intend to do then is to change the issues in the course of the election. If he can unite the Dem forces, in contrast to his own, maybe he will have accomplished what he really set out to do. It’s much too complicated to say, but those late degrees must mean something.

Bernie Sanders has 11 hits and Venus at 21 Capricorn, conjunct the election Jupiter. Jupiter isn’t anything to sniff at and the total of 11 keeps Bernie in the game, one way or the other, but he has some late aspects too, like Bloomberg. He has progressed UranusRx at 28 Taurus conjunct natal Saturn, and his natal Neptune at 26 Virgo is trine the election chart’s Saturn at 26 Capricorn. The trine makes it easy to bow out, if necessary and the progressed Uranus on Saturn applies pressure. Even though he fights hard for ideas, Bernie could be the realistic one who drops out at the last minute and does the right thing to unite the country (or Dems at least).

Biden has 10 hits and natal Ascendant at 21 Capricorn, conjunct the election Jupiter. The natal Ascendant /Jupiter combination is a sign of a winner, and Biden’s natal Mars is also conjunct the election chart’s Sun. Those are great aspects to the natal chart, but what is lacking is some really strong progressed aspects, which he hasn’t got. Will his old achievements be enough to win?

The US natal charts are essentially the same, except the US Moon is at either 25 Aquarius (Sagittarius chart) or 27 Aquarius (Sibly).

Several of the candidates have planets in the US Moon’s range of 25/26/27 degrees (in various signs):Trump has natal Mars at 26 Leo; Bloomberg has natal Sun and natal Uranus at 26 degrees; Bernie has natal Neptune and natal Ceres. So, all 3 of them have a connection to the US natal Moon from some area of the election chart or other.

Biden, on the other hand, has no natal planet at 26 degrees +/-. He has progressed Chiron instead and his age is a problem. To offset that, his natal Mars is at the degree of the election chart’s Sun – that is definitely a strength.

Considering that the President heads the military forces which are ruled by Mars, Trump’s natal Mars at 26 Leo is uncomfortably inconjunct (150) the election chart’s Saturn at 26 Capricorn. His progressed Mars is at 11 Libra, in no major aspect to the election chart, except an applying semisextile to the election Sun (not a strong enough positive, imo).

Bloomberg’s natal Mars is at 18 Taurus, sextile (60) the election chart’s Neptune at 18 PiscesRx, which is easier. But being in aspect to Neptune would indicate he isn’t well trusted (or understood) by the military. Bloomberg’s progressed Mars is at 4 Cancer, in no major relationship except a sextile to the election chart’s Vesta. Not a strength really, but Vesta represents investments, so maybe the relationship is acceptable to the military because Bloomberg is a known supporter of military business (I don’t know – just a guess).

Bernie Sanders’ natal Mars is at 23 Aries, with no close aspect to the election chart, but his progressed Mars at 12 Aries is inconjunct (150) the election chart’s Sun. This does not bode a smooth relationship with voters, as to Bernie’s talents as a military leader.

Joe Biden’s natal Mars is at 12 Scorpio and conjunct the election chart’s Sun. This gives Biden the advantage as to military leadership. Furthermore, his progressed Mars at 7 Capricorn is applying to, but not exact, the election chart’s aspects at 8 degrees (Venus and Uranus). So, it seems clear that Joe Biden is the strongest candidate from the military point of view.

To conclude this look at possible outcomes on the closing of election polls in CA, Biden comes off much stronger here. On the other hand, if he sticks to the campaign, Bloomberg may be stronger yet. Bernie not quite so much.

The fact is, all the candidates have strengths relative to the election chart I picked out of the air. Trump is obviously in it to win, but what is really fascinating is why the others still seem so influential at the END, at the time of the chart when the voting is done. Why is that? There should only be TWO clear candidates by the close of polls. It seems to say there is a problem for Democrats that carries throughout the campaign period.

Will this be like Princess Diana, who said there were 3 people in her marriage? Will there still be 3 candidates, really, even if only 2 are running? Trump, a Dem candidate, and a shadow candidate who represents voters who won’t vote? Thereby narrowing the margin of victory for whomever wins. The Dem charts I looked at seem to show the 3 B’s are influential to the finish. Maybe they will split the vote and Trump will win. Or, maybe not. A tight race to the finish.

I don’t think astrology can tell the outcome. I’d love to read other opinions and I hope they are more skillful than mine. Especially, I am looking forward to Starlight’s – all in good time!

If the covid19 is anything like the Spanish Flu 1918-9 (and the kill rate seems to be similar and the spread rate is pretty contagious) then the time period to look at is starting October 2020. Spanish flu presented in late winter 1918 and receded during the summer months. Then in the fall of 1918 it returned with a vengeance and that is where the deaths occured.

Anyone have any views on this?

Perhaps it means all three campaign very hard against DT for whichever one is the Dem nominee, and wins?

Chris Matthews retires among controversy!


Will, me too: “I think he’s the sweet spot, all gaffes, stutters and stumbles included.”

Beowulfie, fascinating analysis.

As an intuitive (don’t usually admit to it) I think you are spot on. But women will determine the next election and probably the dem primary. Women are on to Bloomberg and we don’t like his comments tonight and yesterday. The lines and waves are in flux every hour so it’s hard /impossible to read them. The planets are probably all wobbling on their axises too. This general election might yet again be anti-women. If so, we are simply fed up with it. Trump, with the help from Putin (the MEN’s MEN) could ‘win’ again. But it won’t really be a ‘win’. Their win could very well be their ultimate loss. So there’s that.

Did you know the small solid core of the earth surrounded by viscus metals, rotates at a different rate than the rest of the earth? Probably the reason for our magnetic fields. Beowulfie or anyone, Is this something science can measure – changes in the rates of rotation of the core and the crust? We could be in fields of changing magnetic fields and those disrupt the waves from planets and the sun and moon.

“Lately we All feel prepped like soldiers waiting instructions. Not understanding why we are on edge, but everything around us says ‘be aware’ something does not feel right. Our bodies experience unusual phenomena not understood by medicine. Our hearts beat different as if we have two or three. Our emotional bodies encircle us like binary moons looking to land. We as a planet all cycle together.

We move forward with caution as if we are walking in shifting quicksand or an abandoned minefield, knowing at any minute the paradigm can change and we could be flapping on the outskirts of emerald city. We look to nature for understanding and insight but she looks back at us, just as confused. The rules have changed for all of us. Like Neanderthal man finding an I-phone, we bang our heads trying to figure out what to do next.”


Starlight it’s come to mind, your title, Sinking Ship, that its’ for Trump and not for humanity, b/c it does feel with this Virus and other things we are going through quite a transition. I hope this cleansing won’t be too bad.

Beowulfe, thanks so much. That was awesome. I do think Eris plays a role, at 23 Aries, and was the real winner at 21 Aries when Trump was elected. I also think Eris was motivational for all the candidates with 22 Cardinal, because they made their decisions to run when Eris was at 22 Cardinal. And 22 Cardinal (esp. Capricorn) is important in the Galactic astrology (for lack of a better term) that Barbk understands.
And if you look at 23 Aries in the charts of the 3 candidates, if it matters, Bernie is definitely the candidate of disruption, with Aries sitting on his Mars. I don’t think the generals will be worried about a lack of aggression, but about his isolationism as a philosophy. But isolation only lasts until Pearl Harbor-type events.
Chiron also matters, especially when the economy is so hard on so many people. Biden obviously seems empathetic to working class people, and to black people, and that carries weight. Biden has Sedna at 20 Aries (US Chiron’s position). I don’t know what that means. He also has something (some asteroid or point) at 19 degrees all over his chart.
Bernie has Sedna also at that point, but not the supporting actors. Jupiter is at 20 Cap today, so square Chiron.
As you imply, predictions are unpredictable. But Trump’s chart aligns with Chiron very positively, with North Node at 20 Gemini, and Sun/Moon in supportive aspects.
It’s hard to know if Bernie or Biden can beat Trump. How could Bloomberg? But anything can happen.

Angellight, I see the major theme in both of your posts, Chris Matthews and the Quantum Awakening newsletter; the end of an era, of a set of expectations, of life as we’ve known it. I haven’t read the entire newsletter yet but will by this evening. I also agree with your assessment of Nancy’s title of this thread. Much appreciate your observations.

“We are tired of being afraid of our future . . .”

Beowulfie, Thank you very much for your efforts here.
In regard to Bloomberg, Maryann at Revealing Light Tarot, hinted at something very much like what you are saying which is that Bloomberg’s only purpose in running is to undermine Trump.

barbk: Thank you. There is much going on behind the scenes.

It is interesting to me that the word Covid translated in Hebrew means Kobe and that Kobe is buried in Corona California. There is a lot of theories out there, much that I do not agree with but there is something to some of these things.

I do think this is a bio warfare engineered disease that somehow has also been coupled with some strains of HIV. You have to think if they close schools and businesses, there is more to this virus then they are letting on. We live in very trying times due to the group trying to control the world and those of us who are awake and trying to bring light into the Earth, a living entity who needs our help.

Angellight: Is the quote beginning “..Lately we All feel…” yours, or are you quoting someone else? It is insightful and reads like poetry.

My March 2nd 2020 at 8:20 pm post above should have started “kiwi and BuckeyeShadow” not ‘kiwi and Banks’.

Donna Brazile Just Told Ronna McDaniel to go to hell on FOX News


Will, I like it very much, too: “I think he’s the sweet spot, all gaffes, stutters and stumbles included.” Joe Biden, “the sweet spot”, could work in an ad. He surely is a contrast to Trump as he is compassionate and empathetic.

We’ll know more at the end of today but I’ve heard it took a month to count CA’s mail-in vote in the last election. I, too think that Bloomberg is running just to undermine Trump and may pull out at some point in spite of what he says about being in until the end. He has to say that. Elizabeth’s journey from here on in will be interesting.

Beowulfie, thank you again.

I heard Paul Begala say that Trump will replace Pence with Niki Hailey, right at the end of the Democratic convention (I think he said on July 14, the day before the candidate’s acceptance speech, something like that). I feel that this selection will serve to help him as she is popular.

Anne’s Aunt, that is a most interesting comparison with the 1918 flu pandemic. Here in New Orleans it will be hot within 6-8 weeks and it will be a good test to see what its prevalence here will then be as well as that all over the Southern states, east and west.

Here’s some info on why washing hands thoroughly helps protect us, from Eugene Gu, M.D.


“All enveloped viruses like the coronavirus are extremely susceptible to simple soaps and detergents of any kind. That’s because soap literally explodes the outer membranes of these viruses. Without the envelope, they can’t invade our cells or cause any harm. They just simply die.”

He goes on to say that we should continue using hand sanitizers (which you can make with 60% alcohol and 40% aloe vera I’ve read) but that plain soap is the most effective.

Bernie would be q terribly risky nominee; but so would Biden:


Can someone look at Sherrod Brown’s chart (November 9, 1952)? There is a lot of chatter in dem circles about Brown being a compromise candidate that Bernie, Biden, and Bloomberg could get behind (funny they are all B’s). It would be a formidable ticket to have Sherrod Brown. Kamala Harris and Val Demings are two who are being mentioned as VP to a Sherrod Brown nomination.

There is also a rumor that Trump will kick Pence off this spring and bring on N. Haley as his running mate for 2020 (assuming trump is still the candidate).

Netanyahu was reelected in Israel despite his indictment:


This is another effect of the dark Saturn Pluto conjunction in Capricorn. Its effects should be felt until Pluto changes signs in four years.

Someone on DU just reminded me of what Rob Reiner said last night on MSNBC’s Chris Hayes show: If people hadn’t voted for Nader and had voted for Gore instead, “no Iraq war, and a 20 year jump on climate change.” This is not directed at anyone, and I think Bernie is a helluva lot better than Nader (no comparison), but it really hurts to think about it this way, even if there is a grand plan and this was meant to be!

Sharon K, I think it is hard – Bernie followers are pushing for a more just world and I think we will reach it but Bernie is a very divisive individual and may not be the one who leads us there. I said earlier that I am hearing a lot about a compromise candidate and Sherrod Brown is getting a lot of buzz. He is someone who appeals to both the moderates and those who want more radical change.

Thanks, Silicominc. There are also good points about Bernie & his plans, as well as Elizabeth. I’m glad they are out there. Anyway, let’s see what the results say for today & the coming primaries.

whenever I think of Bernie’s movement, the moses story pops into mind – moses lead the movement, but never made it to the promised land. . …
As for the Sharrod thought – we need to stop looking for “the” person to be the lone saviour. My feeling is we need to keep all the good senators right where they are, including bernie, warren and klobichar. Perhaps in the cabinet after the election if a good dem can be appointed to replace them!
The thing about revolutions, most facilitate dictatorships.

Yes, we have to keep our senators where they are…thanks for thinking of that, kiwi.

I just read that Bloomberg’s advisers had been encouraging him to drop out before Super Tuesday but he resisted. They said he’s a numbers guy and wants to know what the voters will say. Sigh. He probably shoulda done it.

Whether Biden is the right candidate or not, I think he will be a fine one-term president or place-holder or whatever you want to call him. A Bernie win will sow a lot of dissension and conflict in the country. Just mho.

Here’s the link to the article about Bloomberg’s advisers encouraging him to drop out now.


“A candidate being able to form a coalition in the primaries could be seen as a demonstration of
that candidate’s ability to do that in the General and as POTUS.

And if a candidate can’t or won’t do that, it may be an indication of what one might expect from them in that regard in a General and as POTUS.

Something to think about.”

I, personally, don’t think its Bernie himself who is unable to form a coalition, as he seems amiable, gracious, reasonable in certain ways. I think its his philosophy/policies that may be considered by many to be too radical and won’t receive the broad support needed.

The next prez will have his work cut out for him in regard to meeting the challenges of the present day while putting back in place all that Trump stripped away, hopefully in a new, better and well-supported way.

We need to remove McConnell, and we need moderate Republicans, and we need to remove the fear and intimidation that Trump has instituted. Biden or someone like him is better suited to make that happen, I would think.

Sharon K: Thanks for info on hand washing.

quintile: The quote is from the link posted below the quote. Not my words.

A doctor on CNN said earlier today that the new virus began in the US in January in Washington state, “maybe even early January”, which was when the Saturn-Pluto cycle began.

Something in the chart for the Saturn-Pluto conjunction that I had not studied in depth caught my eye. When set in Washington DC, the MC or midheaven (symbolizes the outcome) was 17+ Capricorn. It was sextile Neptune (vague) at 16+ Pisces.

This sextile between Neptune and the MC formed a Yod to the Moon (the masses) at 17+ Leo (drama). The Moon in this Yod, being at the apex, was destined to be forced into making adjustments because both the MC and Neptune were quincunx the Moon.

A quincunx is 150 degrees (give or take a couple of degrees) between 2 planets or points in a chart. The 2 planets/points in 2 different signs essentially don’t understand each other. No harmony.

In a Yod there are 2 quincunxes and in this case the Moon has to deal with 2 other planets (points) that she doesn’t understand. In other words, the People/masses don’t understand the Outcome (of the chart’s purpose, i.e. Saturn-Pluto cycle) and the people/masses don’t understand Neptune (confusion, profound faith, blurring, lies, lack of definition) and both Neptune and the MC are pressuring Moon to integrate with them.

I believe that both the US Democratic Presidential nominee process and the new spreading virus fit into the Neptune symbolism putting pressure on the People (Moon), as does the Outcome (MC) of the Presidential Election and the new Coronavirus problem.

The People then must adjust their stance and their emotions to integrate with the Neptune (unknown) energy and the MC (unknown) outcome.

Interestingly, the US progressed Chiron (wounding, teaching) at 17+ Aries is trine the Leo Moon in the Saturn-Pluto conjunction chart, while the progressed US Mars (+ Trump’s Jupiter, + US Constitution Neptune) at 17+ Libra is (are) sextile that same Leo Moon in the Saturn-Pluto chart that is in the apex of a Yod.

What is a Leo Moon to do you might wonder. Theater comes to mind. The circus has come to town and everybody wants to see the 2-headed pig and eat cotton candy. Life is now a non-stop 24 hour a day 3 ring circus.

The US progressed Chiron will focus on healing while teaching something to the Saturn-Pluto chart’s Moon/people, and the US progressed Mars will channel the Saturn-Pluto chart’s Moon/people anxieties regarding the outcome/MC (think of Trump’s tweets as the channelings) of the Saturn-Pluto chart for the US. It could eventually lead to a unification of the US people. (This cycle is over 30 years long).

There is, after all, that Saturn-Pluto chart’s Venus (values) at 28+ Aquarius that conjuncts the US natal Moon (people) at 27+ Aquarius, and Venus is sextile the Saturn-Pluto chart’s Pallas (and the Galactic Core) at 27+ Sagittarius, and she is the strategist.

This sextile between Saturn-Pluto’s Venus/US Moon and the Saturn-Pluto’s Pallas/GC forms a Yod with the US Constitution chart Uranus (breakthroughs) at 29+ Cancer (apex of Yod) and the US Constitution Uranus (which must adjust) opposes the US natal chart Pluto at 27+ Capricorn. Now we have a Boomerang pattern where the US natal Pluto receives all the Yod’s energies and does with that energy what it sees fit.

US natal Pluto is preparing to go through its Return, exact in a couple of years, and Pluto is about transformation (as if you needed reminding). All of this turmoil is serving a purpose; to break us out of entrenched patterns that have weakened the foundations of the US government and other institutions.

I see the Saturn-Pluto cycle’s objective having to do with breaking down the world “norms” in order to fog (Neptune) the People/Masses (Moon) normality. Why you ask?

That will give Uranus (breakthroughs) in Taurus (stability), in his trine with Pholus (small cause, big effect) in Capricorn (institutions), and their trine with transPluto (process of achieving wholeness and integration) in Virgo (perfecting) a clear pathway to the objective of transformation (Pluto) of physical reality (Saturn).

The US is just a cog in this world order plan between Saturn and Pluto, but a very important cog indeed.

Eliseo, re. your comment, “Perhaps it means all three campaign very hard against DT for whichever one is the Dem nominee, and wins?” – yes indeedy, we do wish it were so! However, the reality may be different. If there were justice and goodness in this, Bernie would do the world a favor and be a statesman, and come out strongly in favor of either Biden or Bloomberg, but I doubt he will.

Anne’s aunt – no idea about “the rates of rotation of the core and the crust.” On your comment, “But women will determine the next election and probably the dem primary”, I agree, especially with Ceres at 29 Aquarius being the Moon’s last aspect before it changes signs in the Nov. 3 LA chart.

I’m not sure women will go against Bloomberg, though. Women must know he’s a pretty typical male of his era – not too wise about the female sex. It’s not great, but it’s not unusual either and many of us older women are married to not-so-politically-correct men who we love anyway. Which is better than DT.

Women can forgive a lot if a male candidate shows he is learning about women’s issues and if he seems sincere, and especially a person to trust with protecting the nation’s children (i.e. their own kids and grandkids). In the voting booth, many women may visualize who may take their sons (or daughters) to a foreign war, and who will take care of them first. Politically correct or not, women do vote with their ‘ideological wombs’ (speaking as a grandmother). 29 degrees = late developments? Something might yet happen to convince women about the candidates true intentions about women.

Chiro, your comment, “Biden has Sedna at 20 Aries (US Chiron’s position)” – I know next to nothing about Sedna so no comment, but thank you.

Your comment led me to check Joe Biden’s Chiron. He happens to have both natal and progressed Chiron at 26/28 Leo sitting right on Trump’s natal Leo Ascendant at 29 Leo and his natal Mars at 26 Leo. That seems just about right for the 2020 election. With the Russia thing, it seems to fit Joe being a problem for Donald. Maybe it’s an indicator that they will be the final combatants?

Also, while Joe may have Sedna travelling through his 7th house of open enemies, at least it isn’t doing anything major in his chart on Nov. 3 (that I can see). Trump, on the other hand, with a known birth time, has both progressed Venus and Chiron at 19 Leo, opposite transiting Sedna and US natal Chiron at 20 Aries. That seems more uncomfortable for him than what’s happening in Biden’s chart.

Makes me feel better already!

Last point – in my post above, I included a reference to Biden’s progressed Ascendant being conjunct the election Jupiter. That Ascendant is based on Biden’s noon chart, not his actual Ascendant, which is not known. The birth time commonly used for him, 8:30am, has a low Rodden rating, which is not worth much. In the absence of a verifiable birth time, a noon chart is used to represent the ‘public persona’ of the individual.

Will, I know Bernie’s voters are less likely to turn out, but according to Obama’s former campaign manager this would be compensated by better organization and higher motivation;

Bernie’s base is about a third of the party, you can’t win without them; they are motivated by his message on health care, inequality, climate change and student debt;

Sanders, on the other hand, cannot get the support of moderates, independents or Republicans who find Trump distasteful;

I do not believe this conundrum will be solved before the election; the Democratic Party is too divided to take the White House;

the most relevant question then becomes which nominee would better help downticket to flip the Senate and keep the House; that would appear to be Biden especially if he has Bloombergs support;

Bloomberg has been very disappointing these past two weeks; he is a poor debater and his racist policy of stop and frisk as mayor has made him unable to get the black vote; also, his sexist past turns off women even if he has made amends; he should probably support Biden;

I believe Warren could support Bernie and I have heard today that Steyer, surprisingly, could do the same; to each his own billionaire;

Biden has saved his candidacy at the very last minute because of black voters in South Carolina; if black support remains steady, he will win the nomination; however, Latinos mostly support Bernie and they will be the largest minority in the general election; I believe Bernie would be the most effective campaigner against Trump because he has more fight in him;

I still think the Democratic Party will be torn apart at the convention whoever is the nominee, and Trump wins by cheating

I think, Andre, that you left something out. I whole heartedly believe that whomever is the candidate (Bernie or Biden), first of all, they will modify their policies a bit to embrace the part of the party who supported their “opponent”. But this individual will no longer be their opponent as both will then campaign together and these two actions together will mollify each group of supporters, all of whom want to defeat Trump, to meet them somewhere, whether halfway, a little closer or a little further! That’s how we will do it this year. Most of us have learned our lesson!

Sharon K, I would like to believe you, but I do not. Too many Biden supporters will not vote for Bernie and many, if not most, Bernie supporters will stay home if Biden is the nominee.

Tulsi Gabbard has obviously not learned any lessons; she is hanging on to her three per cent and is fast becoming the Ralph Nader of this election.

For hilarious satire that says manageably sized vision will bring people together; see this:


I am with Eliseo: Republicans are all crazy and Democrats are half crazy.

Andre, sadly, it is a ‘my way or the highway’ attitude rather than cooperative interaction that will sink american ‘democracy.’ Healthy democracies (people) are able to practice the art of fair compromise.

I really do think that this will change, Andre….not completely, of course, but I do think it will. Now, that’s if only one of the 2 win fairly. If Bernie is shut out at the convention, I would understand his supporters being pissed but the Democrats (although half-crazy and somewhat stupid) allowed that to happen, but I’m hoping they don’t and some sort of viable compromise is reached.

To correct myself: I would understand his supporters being pissed if the Democrats (although half-crazy and somewhat stupid) allowed that to happen, but I’m hoping they won’t and some sort of viable compromise is reached.

Maybe I’m being naive and Frank Capra-ish, but look at the way the U.S. closed ranks in WW II and came together even though there were many isolationists (of course, Pearl Harbor happened). I do think that Democrats will realize what’s existentially at stake and will ultimately unite.

unfortunately Sharon, we are beyond that era into one of manipulative s**t-stirring entities via modern media. Yet, I am ever hopeful.


“…that would appear to be Biden especially if he has Bloombergs support;”


I’ve observed more than a streak of abhorrent behavior by Bernie supporters – almost as bad as “the deplorables” in the Fame-Whore-in-Chief’s rallies. As much as I admire his tough skin and indefatigable drive, Bernie is short on working in harmony and compromising skills – he’s rates rather high on the Asshole scale – its just his nature and I wouldn’t want him to change – but I really doubt his ability to work with other pols. You may recall that he was not a member of the Democratic Party until this time ’round. He’s a decent man who is playing an important role right now – if he gets his peeps to vote and get behind Biden, he’ll win big for himself and everyone. That’s my take at this time.


Re: Bloomberg – he’s got the chops and the money – and I don’t think he gives a hoot who wins as long as it isn’t Urine Breath.


“Bernie would do the world a favor and be a statesman, and come out strongly in favor of either Biden or Bloomberg, but I doubt he will.”

Yup – and that’s the personality flaw with Bernie – he’s kind of a dick.


From the WaPo just now:

Biden sees major gains with projected victories in four states
Happening now: Colorado, Minnesota, Tennessee and the last polls in Texas have closed

So much for Joe being “risky.”

Will, LOL!

Astonishing how quickly Democrats coalesced around Biden. I wonder if anyone else sees a lot of fear coming out in the last sixty hours or so. Voters undecided, wanting so badly to pick the right person, desperate to deny Trump a second term and finally moving toward the candidate seen as safe.

Teresa Hill,

Maybe we are seeing enthusiasm and judicious concern aside from fear as factors.

Gads, Elizabeth took a horrific poop-pounding in her own state; that’s gonna’ leave a mark!

Joe Biden turned it around Saturday and Mercury was (still is) retrograde. Does this mean his rise will not last or am I misreading what a Mercury retrograde means?

Theresa Hill, I assume you are referring to the virus and how trump has botched the response so much that we need to unite behind someone who can win?

I am watching the CNN map and what I clearly see is that the demographic groups in the West/Southwest are made up of those who are young, maybe affluent and technologically savvy, Hispanic, progressive and really want change, while the South/East/Southeast are dominated by African American Voters & Boomers, more moderate Middle America types who, possibly, have been through and seen a lot so they, of course want to be safe, particularly when it comes to defeating a candidate like Trump and his Republicans who are coming for their Medicare, SS, Medicaid, and are hoarding the $ and the good jobs. So interesting to speculate about the sociologically roots and causes.

Silcominc, it could be that Joe’s rise is temporary, or it could be that mercury is slowing down to its station in a few days and Joe’s rise is part of the turnaround. I’ll leave it to the real astrologers to address that question.

Excited by Joe Biden? 🙂 Come on. I would say more relieved, reassured. They see him as the safe choice. They want his decency, his kindness. He’s Daddy. We’ve had three years of childish taunts and temper tantrums. We want someone solid, experienced, dependable, a known quantity.

Maybe we wish for a more progressive agenda and candidate, but in the end our fear that above all else, we must beat Trump, so we go for the candidate seen as the safest bet.

Just my gut feeling and reading some comments from S.C. voters about why they voted the way they did.

I’m not knocking Joe. He’s not my first choice, but I felt the same fear—we really can’t get this wrong. I feel relieved thinking Joe will be our nominee.

I’m with you, Teresa, but maybe it’s because: OK, Boomer….

Those who are young & follow Bernie are free spirits for several reasons: they have a lot of their lives still to live, they have great vitality making it easier to change jobs & locations, should they hit a wall, and maybe even move to another country if they get disenchanted enough with the U.S. Risk taking is part of the equation for many of us when we’re young.

I am still capable of change and risks but there are some things that you just can’t afford to get wrong, like you said, as consequences are too dire.

Sorry if I’m blabbing too much. Mercury is retro over my sun, like right now, and I have this nervous energy driving me to communicate, largely here. Thanks for putting up with me 🙂

Will, Biden could be having a sugar high and remains risky in the general election because he is congenitally gaffe prone. He read a fabulous and skillful speech tonight which cut into Bernie’s major arguments on making health care more accessible and reducing student debt. But he is not so good when he improvises. Still, he may win Texas.

Astrologically, the impact of Pluto nearing an opposition to his Jupiter at 25 Cancer is clearly providing a tremendous boost. This opposition will peak in late April, which is when he should clinch the nomination. A very positive sign for him is that it will return at the time of the next Inauguration, so I am now taking him much more seriously. If he is the unity candidate people trust,
God bless him. I have a personal stake in this as well, as my own Jupiter Uranus conjunction is also at 25 Cancer, and I a, wondering how that turns out:

Still, I am concerned about the obvious great tension over the summer during the party conventions, over the election and in the Inaugural chart. Something will go wrong on Election Day buy it appears to end well for Biden.

His choice of VP could well be the great President I foresse in éàé’: Biden would likely do only a single ter, even if he were to be a popular President; but he whoever is elected in 2020

I am having a tough time with a keyboard that has gone haywire. The last paragraph should read:

His choice of VP could well be the great President I foresee for 2024. Biden would likely do a single term for age or health reasons even if he were to remain popular. Whoever is elected in 2020 will have a rough term.

Im hearing random stories of trump supporters voting for bernie in the primary. Has anyone else heard this and if yes, do you think its been widespread?

The charts I use for the Democratic and Republican parties and Biden are commensurate with tonight’s events for probably most party voters of the respective parties and Joe.


I have a 30-year-old son, and his despair over climate change, health care and the job/wage situation his generation is facing breaks my heart and makes me furious. His wife has epilepsy. One of her anti seizure medications suddenly soared to $2,000 a month. For no reason. It’s crazy and unacceptable. He knows it. His whole generation knows it.

They urgently need change. I urgently want change. I think we deserve it, hope everyone here is right about 2024 being the start of it.

I’d be thrilled if the 2020 election got us some price controls on prescription drugs and an option to buy into Medicare.


We have some primaries where only registered political party members can vote in their party’s primary and some open primary states where independents and even members of the other political party can vote. One keeps people from meddling in the other party’s primary and the other allows independent voters, who we need in the general election, to vote. I see advantages in both.

My state has an open primary and we always hear stories about one party meddling in the other’s primary, but I’ve never felt like it was enough to matter.

The reason Pluto opposite Biden’s Jupiter is having such a powerful impact appears to be that his rising sign is Sagittarius and Jupiter is therefore his ruling planet. That is my own case as well and I cant wait to see how that turns out.

Teresa, I hear ya. I guess I haven’t been thinking of it from that perspective. We do need Medicare for all, that includes affordable Rx drugs, and I don’t know what it’s going to take, because it will involve raising taxes and be unpopular. I am not sure how the country is going to progress in these directions while many of the Republicans are fighting it. May God and astrology help us carve out a way and may it not take too much longer.

…and include greats like Pete, Bernie, Elizabeth, Amy, Tom Steyer, Mike Bloomberg, Andrew Yang, Corey Booker, Julian Castro to design this better path…as well as good Republicans of good faith. I’m picturing Joe as the next president, giving people confidence and faith so they trust that it is a good path.

Hi, Eliseo! Weather here has jack-kicked my Lupus flares – it’s like I lose at least 2 days each week, and my body feels more “beat up” raw each time I go thru it. I was sorely remiss in keeping up here at the blog.
Mom’s adjusting better to life here, on the upside. Has bad days, but that’s to be expected.

Will – thank you SO much for that excerpt you posted from “Women Who Run with Wolves.” I have that book and you posting that was a hint I need to bring it down from the bookshelp and re-read it again! Meanwhile, I’ve made a gif of the excerpt to keep posted on my desktop, for those days when I feel too down to keep going.

I’m slowly adjusting to the fact that this will be just -another- election where who I think is best will not be elected. I’m too out-of-step with the rest of the world, I guess. Will this country EVER consider women as equal to men? At this point, I don’t think so. I guess if we can just get back to having control of our own bodies again, I should sit back and thank the gods.

I don’t think anyone here is a “prepper”… Lord knows I’m not! (LOL)… but I’ve been working on a list of foods to have on hand should a quarantine be introduced. I’ve never felt like this before! But that small, still voice of intuition has nagged me to start making a list I can pull together quickly, just in case. Well, today at DKOS, someone has pulled together an example of one and nutritional values. Just an FYI, if anyone else is hearing that voice like I am. I’ve got an 84 y/o Mom I’m caretaking here, so that makes a difference to me.

Normally, I wouldn’t be concerned… except this small town I live in is also a military town with a large war college (lots of guest-country students from all over the world). With my Lupus and my mom’s frail health, if we catch anything I figure it’ll probably take us. Like I said, this is not a “normal” mode of thought for me. But I’ve learned to listen to my intuition.

Be safe, warm, and well, everyone. I live for the day when we no longer have to be afraid of what the next day — let alone the future — holds from that great orange satan.

Silcominc, Mercury Rx is a period of consolidation, reassessment, realignment, including possible reversals in a sequence of events over time.

It is not an occasion for big wins or losses, or making idiot decisions or doing crazy things just because it is Rx. It could be, but that depends on the whole chart, and when you start ‘measuring’ the life of the chart – but it doesn’t necessarily mean anything noticeable at all.

Mercury Rx has a bad rap, but typically the most it brings is delay, inconvenience or indecision, all of which can end up being as much good as bad. It has become a stupid urban myth, like alligators in the sewer. Bad stuff happens whether planets are retrograde or not; good stuff too.

Mercury Rx is significant in some horary charts, which require a question to be asked. Therefore, it doesn’t mean anything unless you know the question, who asked it and when. If nobody asks, there is no chart. A retrograde from that point of view is irrelevant.

Joe Biden’s natal Mercury and his progressed Mercury are direct, but transiting Mercury in the sky happens to be Rx at 0 degrees Pisces today. It conjuncts his natal South Node, sextiles his natal Moon (at 0 to 2 Taurus, depending on the birth time), and squares his natal and progressed Uranus (at 0 to 2 Gemini Rx). Transiting Pluto is also conjunct Joe’s progressed Mercury (direct) at 24 Capricorn. All of which, together, can be eventful.

Lots there to think about, but the transiting Mercury Rx is not enough by itself to explain Joe’s lucky Super Tuesday. Mercury Rx just touched his personal planets at 0 degrees today, wich is a sensitive degree because his natal Moon is at or near 0 degrees. A sextile between transiting Mercury and natal Moon is often a positive aspect. That’s all.

Thus endeth the lesson….

Hey Folks!
I’ve been busy with some medical tests and appointments. Ny pain level has been pretty bad.

I’m texting this message to you from my phone. I’ve still got the problem of my computer being located in the basement where it is very cold. I’ve not found a job yet, but I’m hoping to go back to teaching in the summer or fall.

Elizabeth and Andre: I’ll be getting back to you in the next few days through email.

My intuition (and reasoning) as to how our 2020 election turns out remains the same, but with one caveat. It is possible Mr. T may attempt and perhaps succeed in postponing or canceling the election (if he believes he will lose) by invoking martial law relative to the coronavirus.

But most probable is
(A) Trump wins by cheating and is impeached and convicted during his 2nd term.
(B) But more likely a Dem win with a very strong VP. Trump contests the results, but is forced to leave office.

IMHO, the next Dem president will have the toughest, most stressful term since the civil war, and either die in office or serve only one term. This seems increasingly plausible as events unfold. I, like Andre believe whomever is selected as the Dem VP will become the next great progressive president. A few weeks ago I was thinking our next FDR, but she might be our next Lincoln.

At this point it appears Mr. Biden is most likely to become the Dem nominee and president. I pray the Berniecrats and Bidencrats will feel fairly treated by the Dem convention, whomever is elected, thereby enabling sufficient reconciliation and cooperation to win the general election in Nov.

Kiwi,, yes, Trump, GOP operatives asked Rs to vote for Bernie, especially in those contests where there was no Republican primary b/c it was cancelled. Probably cancelled so that they could enact out this evil plan for Rs to vote for someone to overcome Biden whoever Biden’s challenger was at that time.


I’m so sorry to hear you are struggling with pain. I was thinking that you might be having a hard time given what you had shared already about your up coming surgery. It’s hard to do anything when your in pain and I hope your surgery is sooner rather than later.
Thank you for taking time to let me (us) know that you will be connecting via email soon. As much as I look forward to hearing from you, please take care of yourself above all else. Sending light and healing energy your way.

As far as the election night, I can’t express enough how disappointed I am that the narrative has already started that Bernie should drop out and that if he doesn’t that a loss in November for D’s will be his fault. Yes, it went badly last night, but it has gone badly for Biden for the entire year and politics clearly changes on a dime. Any number of things could happen to swing the other way again and he still has a viable path. I sincerely do not believe that would be the narrative if the tables were turned. I guess we will just have to accept that Bernie and all of us supporters will be vilified for staying in to fight another day and sadly I don’t think that bodes well for the hope of reconcilliation. But, I continue to hold out hope as well.

Steve Schmidt just captured the zeitgeist of it all in one sentence:

If it is Biden vs Trump, the election is simply

“Good man vs Bad man”.

That’s easy to sell, easy to sloganeer. Easy to win.

The overwhelming majority of America is experiencing Trump fatigue. Running as “Good man vs Bad man” works.

Americans know the inherent goodness of Joe Biden. They know he will hire patriots to run government agencies. They know he’s not evil.

And that’s really all that the majority of an exhausted nation wants.”


Kiwi: Had been thinking that some of those Rs they wanted them to vote for Bernie, may have voted for Biden instead.

I too am looking for the “magical” transit that vaulted Biden from down and out to top of the heap. There are such transits in other instances, so I understand the desire to search for it.
Pluto/Chiron transits can do that, but only in Cardinal signs. (In the 80’s, if your spouse left you, you could pinpoint the day that Pluto/Chiron in Libra went over your Ascendant or Descendant.) Uranus/Chiron played a part in the #MeToo movement, when so many executives lost their jobs overnight to revelations of sexual harrassment, usually Uranus/Chiron on their Aries MC.
So, is there some amazing midpoint transit to explain this incredible turn of events?
And how quickly will it pass? Will someone else experience the same reversal of fortunes in two weeks? Bernie’s chart is very close to Biden’s in some ways.
I am looking.


Not all of our Presidents have been/are silver-tongued orators. While its always a big plus for a pol to have a talent for inspired word-smithing and delivery, its not absolutely necessary – John and Bobby Kennedy and Barack Obama and Clinton to a lesser degree, knew how to turn a gorgeous phrase that gave soaring flight to some of their nobler intentions. We loved it. But Joe Biden has a kind of awe shucks “you know what I mean,” way of clumsily cobbling talk-from-the-heart horse-sense that tends to resonate with most under the arc of the bell-curve. I don’t believe his many stammers/stutters/gaffes are going to deprive him of his walk in the sun. He is loveable in his imperfections.

Meanwhile Andre, I certainly hope you too benefit from those lovely Plutonic and Jupiterian that you share with him.

Buona Fortuna, Canadian Brother!

Eliseo, I am also visualizing you enveloped in healing light.

Elizabeth, things really can change on a dime and it’s far from over. I would’t expect Bernie to drop out at this point.

Republicans Say Pompeo And Trump Lied About Afghanistan Peace Deal

https://politicususa.com/2020/03/03/republicans-say-pompeo-and-trump-lied-about-afghanistan-peace-deal.html… via

Eliseo, I am looking forward to hearing from you. I hope your health improves soon, brother.

Chiro, Pluto’s opposition to Biden’s Jupiter is in cardinal signs. Another favorable indication for him is that Pluto will be opposite the Sun during the convention in July and that the Sun will itself be only a couple of days from its own conjunction to his Jupiter.

Will, to me the race is all over but the shouting. Bernie had his best shot last night and he failed. Losing Texas is fatal. He should and will stay on until the end to maximize his influence on the platform. I believe he has already brought Biden slightly more to the left.

Warren and Bloomberg should quit now and save themselves further embarrassment. Bloomberg should be true to his word and endorse Biden. Warren could endorse Bernie but that will not be enough to win.

I wrote a few weeks ago that the coming Mars-Jupiter conjunction would bring more than a glimmer of hope. I did not expect that hope would take the form of Biden’s breathtaking comeback. Tom Brokaw said this morning he has never seen anything like it.

The Mars-Pluto and Mars-Saturn conjunctions at the end of this month should however bring us back to a much harsher reality involving the Madman of Mar-a-Lago’s Maladministration. The Trump campaign is already saying Biden belongs in a nursing home. The answer to that of course is that Trump belongs in a hospital for the criminally insane.

I guess, even more than his potential gaffes, I am concerned about Biden’s health. I remember a British astrologer saying in 2016 that whoever wins loses because the Inaugural chart was so difficult. The same can be said of the January 2021 chart, but the January 2025 chart is blessed.

Final thoughts: if Biden had been the nominee in 2016, would we have been spared the entire Trump Presidency? And would Biden’s win really be Obama’s third term?

Bloomberg drops out and endorses Biden


“We boil a pan of water, remove it from the heat, spray into the boiled water certain essential oils, which are contained in Dr. Christopher’s M.P.R formula and inhale the steam and MPR deep into our sinuses and lungs, which stimulates coughing and blowing the waste out of our bodies. If the waste stays in then pneumonia sets in, and that is what kills people.

If you catch the flu or any other fever triggering virus help the body with the juices mentioned in the last article, keep well hydrated (the body controls temperature through perspiration), do the steam procedure with the MPR, drink raspberry leaf tea, take Dr. Christopher’s famous anti-plague formula, employ Dr. Christopher’s fever treatment (found in his Herbal Home Health Care book), and don’t take an aspirin that stops a fever.”

Andre, thank you for your insightful analysis. As you say, Pluto opposite his Jupiter, and maybe Eris square his Jupiter may have helped. But I did notice some fixed sign midpoints that could have also helped.
Joe’s Sun/Venus conjunction are at 27/28 Scorpio (fixed sign), and his North Node/Chiron conjunction are at 29/28 Leo (fixed sign). The midpoints that transited that in the last few days in Aquarius: Pluto/Chiron, Pluto/NorthNode, NorthNode/Eris, and Pluto/BlackMoon.
Fixed-sign midpoints, when there is an effect, build. So maybe this is the beginning of a surge. A very good beginning. Or maybe something else is at play. Too many factors to know.
Bloomberg dropping out and endorsing Biden, as Ja noted, will also help. What was Bloomberg thinking? A 3-month campaign built on a false assumption about the power of money just bit the dust. But his resources will definitely help Joe.

Michael Bloomberg:

“I’m a believer in using data to inform decisions. After yesterday’s results, the delegate math has become virtually impossible — and a viable path to the nomination no longer exists. But I remain cleareyed about my overriding objective: victory in November. Not for me, but for our country. And so while I will not be the nominee, I will not walk away from the most important political fight of my life.”


Chiro, how about trans. Uranus (unexpected) at 3+ Taurus sextile US Venus (values) at 3+ Cancer both quincunx Biden’s ascendant at 3+ Sagittarius making a Yod (Biden’s ascendant “adjusts”) which becomes a Boomerang with Biden’s descendant (partners/open enemies) at 3+ Gemini (media), where all the energy of the Yod winds up?

It was only the media that got it wrong by making assumptions prematurely. Trans. Pluto opposite US Mercury T-square’d by trans Eris in Aries.

I think and hope and pray that with Biden we will flip the Senate. I’m personally disappointed people passed over Warren, but relieved that the Senate can now be in play! Please consider either adopting a candidate for Senate in swing state and send money, or please consider a campaign like Swing Left’s which is supporting 8 candidates that have potential to defeat the Republican https://secure.actblue.com/donate/swing-us-senate-left?refcode=sl_footer Or, do like me and do both. Even 5 or 10 dollars really helps especially when it is a monthly donation that the campaign can count on.

Don’t forget that Joe’s natal Neptune and Achilles are conjunct the US natal chart’s midheaven at 1+ Libra.

Thank you Beowulfie for explaining Mercury retrograde.

On another note, the long wait to vote yesterday in Texas and other GOP controlled states will only get worse for November and I fear that Dems are not prepared at all for what the GOP will do in terms of suppression.

Saturn will be “stationary”for the entire month of September 2020 and most of October! Should be interesting. Anyone know what this could mean for Biden if he is the Democratic nominee?

For me, Mercury Rx is a fortunate time. I always look forward to the opportunity it brings to set things right. But it takes patience and confidence in the process.

The best news this week is that money still can’t buy an election in American politics. You still need an emotional connection with voters. Bloomberg could not provide that and spent more than half a billion in vain. Sort of compensates for Citizens United, which I mistakenly typed as Citizens Untied.

This all reminds me of Churchill who said: “Americans will always do the right thing in the end, but not before they have tried everything else.”

Barbk, yes, that yod formation that I didn’t see because I didn’t bring in the US Chart, sounds like this sudden event we just experienced. Very on point.
Quintile, Saturn sitting at 28 Capricorn is exactly sextile Biden’s Sun/Venus, which apparently attracts the conservative and older voters.
And then I think Andre pointed out the Mercury station on Biden’s south node for days. What the pundits call “earned media” attention.
But that attention may change from positive to negative as Mercury goes direct, and people start listening more carefully to Joe. I worry that he has the beginnings of vascular dementia. I hope not.

Mike’s statement is an attitude that we should all adopt “I remain cleareyed about my overriding objective: victory in November. Not for me, but for our country. And so while I will not be the nominee, I will not walk away from the most important political fight of my life.”

I also thought it interesting that american samoa, Tulsi’s roots, only gave her 29% of their vote. She is so self serving.

here’s a twist – “Experts have confirmed the first known case of human-to-animal transmission of the coronavirus after a Pomeranian dog in Hong Kong was found to have been infected with low levels of the disease. “

Barbk, I agree Pluto opposite US Mercury with both square to transiting Eris would bring over-reaction by the media. Another example is they are still insisting Bernie can win in order to maintain interest.

Chiro, I think both nominees could be unwell. It boils down to which sick old man you prefer, the good one or the bad one. Another gift of Saturn-Pluto in Capricorn.

This is not the year for a woman President. I hope and trust Biden will select a woman as VP. Many strong and able possibilities can be considered: Warren, Klobuchar, Harris, Abrams come to mind. Usually, the nominee will select someone who balances and reinforces the ticket for geographical or other reasons.

I think Hillary chose Tim Kaine for the wrong reasons, i.e. they got along well and he wasn’t strong enough to have his own base. I think she prized loyalty above anything and so did Trump, but Kaine did not help her very much.

In Biden’s case, there is the added consideration that his VP would normally be the nominee in 4 years. Biden could choose Harris to reinforce support in California. On the other hand, he already has the black vote, black women in particular, because he was Obama’s trusted and useful wing man. So he may not need a woman of color as VP. Ditto for the moderate vote, which could exclude Klobuchar.

This leads me to Warren for the quality of her ideas, her fighting spirit which a man of Irish descent like Biden would appreciate, and as an olive branch to Bernie and the left. She would be a strong contender in 2024.

According to news reports, the hard decision for Warren is not to quit the race but whom to endorse. Her reason may say Biden and her heart Bernie. If she is of two minds about this, I would advise her to end her campaign today and to endorse later, but soon. She may also call Steyer and the two of them could endorse Bernie together as a counterweight to Klobuchar and Mayor Pete. Warren might hesitate if she figures endorsing Bernie’s lost cause might move the election platform to the left but reduce her chances of being VP.

I have been away from the news for two hours. Things are going so fast I may have missed something. Besides, the Moon in Cancer opposite my Sun and all those planets in Capricorn is draining my vitality and making me drowsy. Time for a nap.

I love that Andre; “Citizens Untied”, I’ll have to use that somewhere!

Chiro, glad you think the Yod works for Joe.

My dentist said today he thinks someone might kill Trump, in response to when I told him Trump might leave office before his term is up (thinking about his revealed tax returns, etc.). He said we’ve seen it before (JFK, Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Jr.) and it could happen again. First time I’ve heard anyone say that though.

That was a nasty part of the 60’s. It was also when the Uranus-Pluto conjunctions took place in Virgo. Now we’ve got the Saturn-Pluto years with its multi cycles of planet pairs hammering the 22-24 degrees of Capricorn, another earth sign. Makes me uneasy.

From NYT columnist, 2x Pulitzer Prize-winner, Nick Kristof:
“Biden is plodding and uncharismatic, but he has solid working-class credentials and he’s also one of the most decent people in politics. His empathy is hard-won from the pain of the loss of two children. Samantha Power, the former ambassador to the United Nations, says Biden would give out his private cellphone number to strangers who had suffered great personal loss, saying: If you feel low and have no place to turn, call me.

I think the Democrats with Biden have a good chance of winning the presidency, holding the House and perhaps taking the Senate. An economic slowdown seems likely because of the coronavirus, which also highlights Trump’s administrative incompetence. And Republican rhetoric about Democrats as socialists — the theme of CPAC this year was “America vs. Socialism” — is laughable if Biden is on top of the ticket.

So while Biden’s proposals aren’t as soaring as Sanders’s, nor as comprehensive as I would like, they strike me as more achievable. In that sense, Biden may be the real candidate of change.”

Sorry but Biden Sucks. Get ready for Trump winning in a landslide. Americans want a country where our leaders parade missiles platforms and tanks through the streets of pennslyvania ave; much like they do in Russia, China and India. We admire the efficiency of China’s government and said governments resilience in fending of US efforts to interfere in China’s internal social system.

Baby Boomers are ensuring trumps reelection by trying to make the fundamental choice of democracy or dictatorship for them. They are taking away their childrens right of free choice between good and evil. That is for millennials to decide not boomers or globalists or capitalist/zionists.


I could certainly do without the man on this planet, and the day he breathes his last should be a relief to all sane, level headed people.

The one thing I don’t want him to become is a martyr, felled by an assassin, and then lionized by his wacko supporters.

Let him be exposed and thoroughly humiliated, and have his name destroyed for all time. Then, he can die in true shame and disgrace, with no hope of redemption, ever.

I’m not sure myself what to make of Biden’s big win. Like you, Andre, his health and advanced age concern me. But then, we do seem to have an abundance of septegenarian politicians right now in these late days of Pluto in Capricorn, giving power to the establishment and the aged.

My guess is many of them hold on just long enough for Pluto to move fully into Aquarius, and then die-off or fade away as radical new leaders of a wider variety of age groups rise up and to the fore. Biden definitely does not strike me as an Aquarian type, but perhaps he is the “bridge” to where we are heading after all.

I’m posting again from my phone.
I’ve long suspected that if Biden were the nominee he might choose Warren as his VP. Geography is less important nowadays, and a Biden/Warren ticket would unite the two major groups of Dems.

Besides, I believe Warren has enormous potential to be a Mama FDR. But she needs broader experience with foreign policy, the military, energy and environmental policy, etc. I.e. areas outside of her current expertise.

She is brilliant with banking & finance law, wall street & main street economics, family law, child law and labor law, but a consummate intellectual klutz in other areas. I think serving as VP might enlighten her into more realistic thinking. She is after all a pretty open minded gal who changes her mind on the basis of new and better evidence.

Nothing to add to the conversation here except that I really loving the thoughtful and insightful comments I’m reading! Good stuff!

Thank you, Frank, for the Swing State link!

“What the Democrats need to stage a revolution, or even a healthy evolution, is to win not only the presidency but also the House and the Senate. Democrats flipped the House in 2018 with moderate candidates running on a practical, limited agenda, while progressives running in swing districts did poorly, and that’s a lesson for 2020.”


“Ukraine’s Zelensky Fires His Cabinet.
President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine faulted his ministers for poor performance and for appointing foreigners to company boards, although Western donors have encouraged the practice.”

Andre, your comment, re. “The best news this week is that money still can’t buy an election in American politics” –

I don’t agree with that at all (though I see your point). What happened is that Joe Biden faltered and Bloomberg decided to grab some of his momentum with his overwhelming media campaign. Bloomberg did it because he had to.

A man with billions to spare, who said, “I remain cleareyed about my overriding objective: victory in November. Not for me, but for our country” is not a person who does anything without a purpose.

If Bloomberg had moved ahead in the primaries, fine: he would have continued. As it turned out, he didn’t progress, but don’t forget, those delegates did NOT go to Sanders.

As everybody knows, each delegate who does NOT support Sanders can be a vote for Democrats on Nov. 3. And that is a vote that will not go to Trump. If Sanders gets a lot more delegates, but Biden becomes the Dem candidate, there will be a lot of folks who won’t bother voting at all.

Bloomberg is the guy who spoke about the math – he didn’t talk a lot about feelings and disappointments (like MAGA). He was just counting electors all along.

As a member of the establishment, with a capital E, Bloomberg is concerned with the entire financial structure of the country and how it should remain intact for the next 4 years, and for the next generation. I doubt he cares two hoots whether he would win the election himself or not (although of course, he would like to win). If he really cared about winning, he would have jumped into the race much earlier than November. No, he entered the race to protect his own capitalist interests, and the country’s interests, just like he said.

As a person who doesn’t need anything, including politics, Bloomberg can afford to tell it like it is, unlike the others. His first priority, I’m sure, is simply to make sure Donald Trump is not the next president.

Thinking that way, it is pretty obvious – Bernie Sanders is an enormous threat to that singular goal, of preserving the US intact as a country and a financial system. Bloomberg lost nothing except some millions that he can well afford to lose. In fact, he just finessed the US political system beautifully. It is a big bet whether it will work, but it was a very smart move to take delegates away from Bernie if he could and to blast the air waves with messages to make Democratic voters think twice about social revolution, when there is already a terrible revolution happening in the White House.

This is not to say that Bernie Sanders isn’t right. He is right and he knows where the country has to go in future. But, the time for his ideas is not ripe and his supporters are not yet ready. That social realization will take at least 4 years of whomever is in the White House, or 8, or a dozen. Turning a ship like the USS Gerald Ford does not happen fast (although the coronavirus might have potential for making changes if it gets bad enough).

Bernie deserves credit for every progressive idea he puts forward. He will be long remembered for having the political energy and smarts to do what he has done. Nobody since FDR has been so forceful in pushing a social agenda that would benefit all Americans, not just the diminishing middle class and the elites, especially after the horrors of the 2008 financial crisis. It’s just that Bernie scares bejesus out of the bankers and the executives and the status quo politicians, which is enough in our day to sink him and Democrats if he were to be the next Presidential candidate. So, Bloomberg made sure, as much as he can, that Bernie won’t be that candidate, and hats off to Bloomberg for doing it.

Despite all that, Bernie has done a great job. He’s got young people to focus on the issues that really concern them – everything from student loans that can never be paid back and healthcare that leaves millions uncared for, and so on. His work is THEIR future work, for the next generation or two. If Bernie’s vision comes true within 40 years, he’ll be in the history books forever—just as long as he’s not the Presidential candidate in 2020! Because, if that happens, Trump will win.

Biden/Warren could work.

Just read that Gov Steve Bullock of MT is strongly considering running for Senate. Sounds like good news!

Regarding Biden/Warren ticket, i dont think much has changed since this was written: https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/02/politics/elizabeth-warren-joe-biden-history-bankruptcy-bill/index.html

This blog is becoming addictive.

Beowulfie,I agree with your view of Bernie. He may never be elected President, but he is changing the political culture and that is fundamental work with long-lasting effects.

Eliseo, I agree that as VP Warren would learn some realities, in foreign policy or the military for example, to which she has not been exposed. That would make her a better and more seasoned candidate in four years. Biden may lean on her considerably.

Will, my friend, I forgot to thank you for your kind words. I value highly your well-founded and incisive comments.

StarDust, thank you for the CNN article on Biden-Warren clashes over bankruptcy law. It’s an interesting read. I believe Presidents and Vice-presidents have overcome similar differences in the past. I still think they should work together and that their ticket would win.

Sharon K, thanks so much for the Nick Kristof quote. I trust his insight and am glad we are on the same page.

That’s what I said to my dentist Buckeye, he would become a martyr, but he said he wouldn’t, alluding to the millions who hate him. I suppose like Hitler, for example. I personally don’t see that happening, but I’m a Cancer and my dentist is a Taurus; more realistic I suppose.

Bernie is going to be on Rachel’s show in a few minutes. I bet the attitude toward Medicare for all is going to change in the coming months due to the coronavirus. It doesn’t need to be approached in incremental steps if there are massive numbers of illness in people without insurance. Let’s see what he has to say.


“The one thing I don’t want him to become is a martyr, felled by an assassin, and then lionized by his wacko supporters.”

I share your nightmare on this issue – Gads!
Would rather he get his comeuppance over a very, very long and enduring teachable few decades.

Fantastic, Beowolfe, well said indeed!

On another note, Linda G was so wrong in her predictions about last night, I like her and she is funny but I think I am done watching these psychics, I will stick to astrology from these posts instead.

Will, that wasn’t me that made the martyr comment – it was BuckeyeShadow.

And well said it is, BuckeyeShadow.

But I won’t speak of such actions – even the thought brings fear of the dreadful consequences that would ensue. Let’s only hope the people are awake enough to do the right thing on Nov. 3!

Beowulfie, BuckeyeShadow, apologies for my error.

Pardon if I have shared this Trevor Noah clip already; bust a gut every time I watch it. Enjoy!


Beowulfie — I just read your very perceptive post above about Bloomberg’s and Bernie’s motivations and I want to thank you. You have clearly grasped and explained why they are both heroes, each in their own way, and why this isn’t Bernie’s time (sadly, as he would like it to be, and his many supporters would like it to be, but he is also unselfish and will settle for having made a “huge” and concrete difference). Thank you, again. Of course, things could still make a shift, but I really think that many Democrats feel this way in their hearts.
As an aside, every time I see your gently satirical name, I think of my marvelous high school English teacher, Frances Athens, reading Beowulfe to us in very expressive Olde English, playing all of the roles so well, including the role of Grendel, the monster.

And, we all know who the modern version of Grendel is….so, thanks go to you for helping slay him, as well as to everyone here including Barb, Nancy, Eliseo, Will, kiwi, Ja, Bob, Angellight, Teresa Hill, Elizabeth, Frank, Silcominc, Slightkc, Buckeyeshadow, Chiro, Diana, Anne’sAunt, StarDust, quintile, and any other contributor whose name I’ve left out, as it will take all of US, but we will.

Just a fleeting look at Biden’s natal chart:

Biden’s Mars at 12 Scorpia squares the Blob’s natal Pluto at 10 Leo.

Biden’s Sun and Venus squares the Blob’s natal Ascendant and Mars. Biden’s Sun sits at 27 Scorpio squaring the Blob’s Mars at 26 Leo.

Biden’s Venus at 28 Scorpio squares the Blob’s natal Ascendant at 29 Leo.

Biden’s Chiron/ North Node conjunction at 28 and 29 Leo sit atop the Blob’s Ascendant.

Biden’s Jupiter at 25 Cancer sits atop The Blob’s natal Venus at 25 Cancer. Don’t know what that means when two people are on opposite sides of a political ticket. Usually confers some kind of “attraction,” but there are other possibilities.


The Linda G post to which you refer was more reflective of what was going on in CA as of early this morning and not the whole election. Psychics very often tune into the universal unconscious mind and probabilities vs possibilities at a certain hour and certain areas.

I have often thought that these days they are tuning into an alternate reality of our hopes and wishes which is also in the universal unconscious record. And sometimes our dreams come true, but often they don’t.

I posted a comment for her and all to see “that the cards of her tarot reading were off the mark” or something to that effect. She didn’t seem to take offense because I noticed a little heart she had placed after my post.

BuckeyeShadow, Beowulfie, Will,
From my phone:

It’s as though we were sitting on the dried caldera of a volcano. Grass, and trees, and animals are on the surface, and no one realizes what is beneath. It might blow. It might not.

Were Mr. T to be overtly assassinated (as opposed to poisoned) I believe there would be serious violence, possibly riots all across America. Furthermore, Mr. Pence would visit vengeance upon ALL perceived as enemies. Thousands, if not millions would go to jail. It would be a personal catastrophe for victims, and for American democracy.

I pray no stupid or misguided fool tries such a thing.

Were he to die of natural causes, there would be all sorts of conspiracy theories and suspicions, which again could lead to spontaneous violence. No, we need the Orange Sorcerer to remain alive unto the end. He will likely not learn the right lessons from his comeuppance, but that comeuppance must come for the sake, and safety, and future of American Democracy.


Check this!

The former Virginia governor Terry McAuliffe says Joe Biden’s momentum since the South Carolina primary is like nothing he has ever seen.


Nobody is always right and we all have some bad times.

Linda G’s progressed Saturn/Neptune midpoint at 207°29′ is being squared by transiting Pluto at 296°25′ indicating some difficult times for her during the transit.

I often locate charts for people or events to Lebanon, KS, (near the geographical center of the contiguous United States) to see how they might be playing out for or received by people psychologically.

Locating my charts for the Democratic and Republican parties to Lebanon, KS, and progressing them to 11 pm, CST on March 3rd yields charts appropriate to believers of their respective ideologies.

For Dems the progressed IC was at 355°26′. The charts progressed Moon and Jupiter were on it at 355°08′ and 355°56′ respectively. Their midpoint was at 355°32′. Happy.

For the GOP the progressed charts IC was at 11°23′. The chart’s progressed Neptune/Pluto midpoint at 10°16′ was on it. Too bad, So sad.

Biden’s time of birth is given as 8:30 am, EWT in Scranton, PA on Astrodienst. A rectification of 4 minutes later yields 171°44′ on the MC. On “Super Tuesday” at 11 pm, PST, in Los Angeles, CA, transiting Jupiter at 291°48′ trined that MC, to go along with the aspect of transiting Pluto at 296°23′ opposing his natal Jupiter at 117°07′. Jupiter and Pluto aspects to his natal chart appropriate for his day.

For those interested in the continuing saga of Andrew Yang, he is on The View this morning, and will be announcing an advocacy group or maybe a PAC for candidates who incorporate universal basic income in their platforms (among a couple of other issues). I still think he could be a Joe Biden VP.
Today NorthNode is on AY’s descendant, 4 degrees Cancer.

A cartoon in a Montreal French-language news site. It’s called “The Democratic Musical Chair”:


Elizabeth Warren, Once a Front-Runner, Will Drop Out of Presidential Race
Ms. Warren, a senator and former law professor, staked her campaign on fighting corruption and changing the rules of the economy.


Well ja, Elizabeth DOES have natal Mars conjunct US natal Uranus (8+ Gemini) and natal Mercury (10+ Gemini), both which conjunct Biden’s natal Saturn (9+ Gemini).

Transiting Saturn (29+ Cap) is about to conjunct her natal Jupiter (0+ Aquarius). which is part of a Yod with her natal Sun-Uranus (0+ Cancer) that sextiles her natal Saturn (1+ Virgo) and Ceres (2+ Virgo). This means her natal Jupiter is what needs to adjust.

In December, after the election, transiting Jupiter and transiting Saturn at 0+ Aquarius will start a new 20 year cycle.

However, Bernie’s natal Uranus (0+ Gemini) which conjuncts his natal Saturn (28+ Taurus) which right now is trine transiting Saturn at 29+ Capricorn, will be trine the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction at 0+ Aquarius in December.

Warren’s natal Pholus (small cause, big effect) at 28+ Capricorn was just in a conjunction with transiting Saturn (29+ Capricorn) and also trine Bernie’s natal Saturn (28+ Cap) that conjuncts his natal Uranus (0+ Gemini) that trines Warren’s natal Jupiter (0+ Aquarius).

Go figure.

The worst virus is Trump. One good thing about Pluto now opposite his Saturn is how it exposes his mediocrity, shabbiness and incompetence. This will last until June and return in December and January as he hopefully leaves office.

The most fascinating thing, however, is how Pluto’s opposition to Biden’s Jupiter closely tracks Trump’s Pluto-Saturn. Biden goes up as Trump goes down. Again, this repeats in January 2021 over the next Inauguration, which makes me cautiously optimistic for the next election for the first time in many months. This may be a determining astrological factor.

If he became President, I would be very concerned about Biden’s physical and mental health because of that troublesome Mars-Uranus conjunction in Taurus in the 12th house square the Sun and Saturn in Aquarius in the Inaugural chart.
The VP could be called upon to take over during the next term, which would give us another Administration chart.

If you can’t have a unifying presidential nominee for the Party, the next best thing would be a unifying vice-presidential nominee. Biden may be better at unifying the country than his own party. Warren could be the opposite.

If Warren became VP, the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction exactly conjunct her Jupiter at 0 Aquarius would mean we are really entering the Warren era. Such a ticket would balance the best of the Saturn-Pluto and Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions. Saturn-Pluto would give us a wise and good old man as President; Jupiter-Saturn would provide a vision of a more egalitarian and progressive future.

Looking at photographs of Biden and Warren, I am struck by his obvious affection and admiration for her. I believe he was impressed by her intellect and her spirit during their clashes on bankruptcy law. They had no bitterness during the debates. She may actually work better with him than she did with Obama.

Joementum and Mo’Joe are the slogans of the year. By 2024, it may be, as Eliseo put it, mama FDR, an aspect of the Great Mother.

I wouldn’t discount Kamala Harris and/or Stacey Abrams, though. But, I am almost ok with Warren as VP and then president. I am hoping that wise old Joe can temper her just a little.

Here’s a very good blog entry about why and how Joe won so big on Tuesday.


Bob, I never trust birth times that fall on the hour, quarter hour or half hour. When Biden was born it was likely they arbitrarily chose the even time. Who’s really paying attention to the time, anyway? Don’t get me started on Sinatra’s birth time. He was as good as dead at first.

Andre, we did that here in the 50s when Eisenhower had a heart attack. It was very good for Nixon.

Sharon K, two other names being mentioned for VP on a Biden ticket are Val Demings, Congresswoman from Florida and Mayor Pete.

Just guessing a Biden ticket – speculating, not based on anything, and no astrology says any of this:

Pete will be VP; Amy will be Attorney General. Elizabeth will go back to her academic life and make a bundle writing a great book. The Dems must have a ticket that appeals to younger women and men.

Biden covers the boomer generation, Pete has the political cachet and is young, Amy has legal credentials and is young. Kamala is too dangerous. She acts like a general, not second in command.

The administration has to be about Biden, with backup. The last thing he needs is to be upstaged at every turn by somebody like Kamala, who is smarter than he is and way too independent. Yang may get a post in the administration, or maybe build his political cred by running for governor later? The rest are going to go home, except Bloomberg, who said he would stay involved in the Dem campaign to the end, which may mean the money Joe ain’t got.

Every popular candidate, except Elizabeth, will get an interview. Elizabeth is too alpha, like Kamala. Elizabeth is not Mike Pence. Being there, she would be a constant foil to Biden’s weaknesses and have real trouble keeping her opinions to herself in public – she would not like being muzzled any more than Kamala. It would be like making Hillary or Margaret Thatcher VP (if she was a liberal, which she was not, of course). It is tough for women to make Biden look good, but Amy could do it, imo.

The Dems have to circle the wagons against the Trump onslaught to come. Every man or woman who can fight will be called on, one way or another. If all eyes are only on Biden all the time, it won’t go so well – he’s a real human being, but he’s going to slip up. So, he needs surrogates for interviews and appearances. I’ll bet the Dems are already wishing they could control what he says off the cuff for the next 8 months and, since they can’t, they need other mouths to do some of the talking. Biden needs a team approach right from the start.

I’ll bet there are dozens of focus groups happening right now at Dem headquarters….

I like your postulation Andre, thank you. What concerns me is the urgency of the times, vividly shown in the Saturn-Pluto-Ceres conjunction (plus, plus, plus, plus). I don’t see a long period of time to relax into the comfort of returning to the way things were (in the USA).

Rather, we should immediately focus on change, especially climate change, which means ending the onslaught of Earth’s resources, meaning oil, water, air, meaning corporations abuse of these resources. I don’t see Biden making that a priority, although he does provide a relief period for those who have been traumatized by Trump, like all of us here at Starlight News.

Change has to start on Day One, and frankly, the planet has to be one of the very first concerns addressed. Joe COULD do that; he has connections and good relationships all over the world and, with the help of Obama, he could coalesce an organization to freeze the drilling and pollution of waters in addition to reuniting with the Paris Agreement.

I know Elizabeth is a multi-tasker, and so is Bernie Sanders. Joe has not shown (me) that he is good at that, but he could put people in positions that could bulldoze through the red tape of legalities that corporations would use to stall the process.

We all must accept that urgency and change is upon us, breathing down our necks and there is no return to the “way it use to be”. I think (know) that most young people are cognizant of that but many of us over 60 are not. We can’t get comfortable even if the Dems win the Senate, House and the White House (and we will). We must move forward with alacrity if humanity is to survive on planet Earth.

We must restructure (Pluto) what institutions (Saturn) Trump has torn apart, but not make them identical to what they were. It would require leadership with the ability to envision the future (an Aquarian thing) which is not a feature of Biden’s natal chart, but he’s loaded with Scorpio (transforming, bring back to life) and that would be a blessing as the US People will require some help with that.

Elizabeth on the other hand is blessed with her Jupiter in Aquarius (trine Bernie’s Uranus) and a Mars conjunct US Uranus (co ruler of Aquarius) and transiting Uranus will conjunct her natal Moon in July, 2021.

And, by the way Andrew Yang has natal Moon, Mercury, Venus and Pallas in Aquarius and his natal Uranus (2+ Scorpio) has recently been conjunct US progressed Saturn while opposed by transiting Uranus in Taurus. He also has a natal South Node in Gemini (multi-task) conjunct US natal Uranus and Warren’s Mars-Mercury and Biden’s natal Saturn. Just saying.

SharonK, thanks for the article about Bernie – it’s really good.

I forgot to add Joe’s Saturn conjunct US Uranus too.

Thanks for the note on Lebanon, KS, Bob. Interesting approach – will check it out.

ooops, yes I did. I need to eat some lunch.

Lamis B Faris: thanks for comparing Biden’s and Trump’s charts – all those aspects do seem to say they will be ‘the’ contestants.

BarbK, you have dug into the aspects, together with asteroids, in so much depth that your comments on comparing the charts would be great to have, too. I know you’ve been working on it all along, but it would be good to get your insights in one summary. Just a suggestion….and thanks thus far!

There will be a lot of analysis about what Michael Bloomberg did – here’s one article on it. And one should not forget that the end result of the election may come down to single digit percentages.

Sharon K, that blog entry in your 1.59pm post was good. I agree there was a moderate revolution on Super Tuesday in order to prevent another radical takeover of a major party.

Barb k, I share your climate urgency. Biden said he would immediately return to the Paris Accord and show world leadership to bring the planet further together. I believe him on that because he will probably have a strong Cabinet: Yang, Buttiigieg, Kamala and many others.

Beowulfie, great leaders do not fear sharing the limelight and they hire strong people. Lincoln’s cabinet was famously called a team of rivals. Unlike Trump, he had the wisdom and the strength to surround himself with the best. That would necessarily include Warren.

Warren may endorse Biden or wait until the convention. She did not endorse Bernie in 2016. She endorsed the nominee. And when Biden briefly considered running that year, there was speculation he was considering Warren as his running mate. Warren is smart and she wants to enhance her ideas to the point where they become accomplishments, which is not Bernie’s strong suit. Bernie is a prophet, Warren is a doer.

Pluto on Trump’s Saturn will expose the Wizard of Oz and the Emperor with No Clothes until late June, and will return next January. July 1 to December 31 will be the most critical time. A wounded beast is the most dangerous.

Joe and Jill Biden have good sense, period.

Love your analysis, barbk. We are definitely well into the fierce urgency of now, and really have been in a planetary state of emergency since the Uranus-Pluto Square of 2012-15. We already have less than three decades before the Uranus-Pluto Opposition of the 2040s (2046-48) and the climax of the cycle that began in the mid-1960s (1965-66). Time is short, and humanity collectively can’t afford to miss the boat on this one. If we do indeed miss it, I’m honestly not sure how we make it through mid-century.

I do worry that Biden and the Democratic Party rallying around him together symbolize that desperate longing of much of the masses to go back to the way things were. Many are rightfully horrified by Trump and the Republican Party’s complete absence of a spine as they fall in line like sheep behind that awful man. Yet turning back the clock to watch the sequel to the Obama-Biden Era of 2009-16 isn’t the answer.

Indeed, barbk, as you suggest, this is no time for comfort. Biden or otherwise, the Democratic nominee must decisively defeat Trump and then declare a national and global emergency.

“World War III” if we are to call it that, must not be a deadly Armageddon battle between nuclear-armed nations; it must instead be a courageous battle fought with all nations on the same side for the future of our human civilization and biosphere.

Big pharma is salivating at their new income stream – private/govt partnership on the fast track.
However, apparently fed funded internal cdc progress on generic/earlier coronaviruses study\vaccine was halted by trump admin after his peeps gained control.
In other words, 2-3 years progress was lost.

I love Elizabeth Warren, but you want a VP who can run successfully to be President in four or eight years, and she’ll be 75 by Election Day 2024, and I can’t see us electing another president of that age in 2024.

Have heard people mention taking the Senate and making her majority leader, and I find that highly appealing. She’s a planner and a strategic thinker. Works for me.

kiwi, He’s already lied about the Obama admin slowing things down. It’s so infuriating! May the truth come out!

The Palestinian Authority (Abbas) and Israel have agreed to effectively quarantine Bethlehem & the surrounding villages. I don’t wish illness or anything bad on anyone but maybe something good will come of their working together that shuts down the troublemakers in the area.

And, Teresa, I LOVE the idea of Elizabeth as the Senate Majority leader! I am a little worried about Bernie though if he isn’t the candidate (I don’t think he will be at this point, and I don’t necessarily want him to be, but we don’t know for sure). We need to find a way to show him the esteem, value and appreciation that he deserves.

I also really like Elizabeth as Senate Majority leader.

I’m hoping Biden is President, and his VP is Andrew Yang, and then Andrew Yang manages the major initiatives, and Joe does diplomacy and relationship building with other countries. But AY said on The View today that the best VP for Joe would be someone who could attract young people and latinos, which is Bernie’s strength. That was interesting.

So, Andrew Yang started a new advocacy nonprofit called http://www.movinghumanityforward.com, to endorse and support candidates who espouse ubi, and human-centered capitalism.

He is really more interested in improving the lives of the people than in being a political candidate.

Best line ever Andre; “Bernie is a prophet, Warren is a doer”, followed by ja’s “Joe and Jill Biden have good sense, period.” Pretty much sums it up.

Nobody can do it all for everyone, but everybody together could quite possibly do it for all.

I am sure both Biden and Sanders feel they don’t dare NOT pick a woman as running mate.

Both men have Virgo on the MC (reputation) and Pisces on the IC (roots), and Bernie had trans. Neptune conjunct his IC in 2015 and 2016. Joe will have trans Neptune on his IC this month, next month and in September and in January and February, 2021.

The US natal chart has Black Moon Lilith at 19+ Virgo (Joe’s MC) and transiting Neptune is about to oppose it this month, next month and in September and in January and in February, 2021.

Bernie Sanders has natal Sun in the 10th house of career in his natal chart and Joe Biden has natal Sun in the 12th house of confinement and private concerns in his natal chart.

Joe’s natal Ceres (20+ Pisces) conjuncts his natal IC (19+ Pisces) where transiting Neptune will be later this month and next month + September and next Jan-Feb. Bernie’s natal chart’s IC conjuncts US natal Ceres (both at 8+ Pisces). US Ceres squares US Uranus (disruptive unexpected breakthroughs) at 8+ Gemini which conjuncts Joe’s Saturn at 9+ Gemini. US Typhon (8+ Virgo) conjuncts Bernie’s MC (reputation). And again, there’s the US Ceres on Bernie’s IC. It speaks to rage, loss, a storm against the Establishment.

So, Bernie’s MC at 8+ Virgo is T-square the US Uranus (8+ Gemini) that is square US Ceres (8+ Pisces) which leaves the open leg (of a grand cross) in Sagittarius which is where Joe’s natal Juno (partner) is at 9+ Sagittarius. Grand crosses are a bitch. The US natal Typhon (think typhoon, a big big wind storm) is at 8+ Virgo and conjuncts Bernie’s MC.

Joe’s MC (reputation) at 19+ Virgo squares Bernie’s natal Jupiter at 19+ Gemini and this is forming a T-square with transiting Neptune, now at 18+ Pisces but later this month will conjunct Joe’s natal chart IC (roots) and that’s when it gets fun. (not)

However, Bernie’s natal Jupiter (19+ Gemini) is sextile Bernie’s natal Moon at 19+ Aries (which conjuncts the US natal Chiron at 20+ Aries) which conjuncts Joe’s natal Sedna (under water) also at 20+ Aries.

Transiting Jupiter (expand) is now at 20+ Capricorn and squares US Chiron, Bernie’s Moon and Joe’s Sedna, and trans. Jupiter will be back at 20+ Cap in retrograde in late July, and in direct motion in late October.

These primary elections reveal how the Dem masses (at least those who bother to vote) feel; fearful and/or cautious (vote for Biden), or bitter and/or ready for change (vote for Sanders) rather than voting on issues.

That is the state of affairs in the US. Instability; the kettle is boiling; nobody is prepared for the coronavirus. Too many people are afraid of paying higher taxes and too many people don’t have decent paying jobs or even no jobs at all. It is a crisis and something has to give.

There is this interesting point. On Election Day in November, transiting Uranus at 8+ Taurus retrograde will trine Sanders’ natal MC and the US natal chart’s Typhon at 8+ Virgo, while it (trans. Uranus in Taurus) sextiles Trump’s natal Mercury at 8+ Cancer and sextiles US natal Ceres at 8+ Pisces.

Transiting Uranus will first reach 8+ Taurus in late May (when trans. Mars is at 8+ Pisces in a conjunction with US Ceres and trans. Ceres also conjunct US Ceres) and transiting Chiron at 8+ Aries is square Trump’s natal Mercury in Cancer, and transiting Jupiter is conjunct the US natal Pluto at 27+ Capricorn, having stationed retrograde in that degree where it remains for 24 days.

I wonder if that’s when they haul Trump out of the White House; in handcuffs or in a white jumpsuit with his arms bound behind him.

This one’s for you Beowulfie.

Chiro, problem solved by Andrew Yang; Joe President, Bernie VP, two old white dudes.

Thanks BarbK – lots to ponder in all that. Much appreciated – you often note things others miss, like the Uranus/Typhon thing above. I hope it doesn’t mean Trump gets the edge (sextile) because of Sanders – but on the other hand, a trine to Sanders might make him much happier than Trump. Oh my, where does that leave Joe? Anyway, there’s all the other stuff to offset it!

Lawrence Odonnell interviewed Biden. I was really heartened by what I thought was his realism in what its going to take to actually accomplish any progress with the legislative process ‘now’ (2021). And his grasp of the afghan mess. And how he alluded to already working on bringing smart and motivated people into the team to fix things. And focus on keeping the house and gaining the senate.

Beowulfie, I thought it possible that something might happen to Jill Biden that would take Joe out of the race. Nothing that I’ve seen substantiates that; just a feeling (Joe’s natal Juno in grand cross with US natal Uranus, Ceres and Typhon mostly).

Yesterday was a bit of a heart wrencher.

Au revoir Elizabeth. I think we may see you on the ticket yet – or in the cabinet.



Almost Without Precedent’: Airlines Hit Hard by Coronavirus

The effects could wipe out up to $113 billion in worldwide revenues this year, a trade group said, a new blow to the industry. Empty jumbo jets arriving at deserted airports. Masked passengers disinfecting their own seats. Stone-faced airline executives huddling with President Trump.


John F Kennedy argues for universal healthcare


BarbK: Oh dear, though with these crazy times almost anything seems possible, but I do hope not that. I presume you are referring to Juno, which can mean domestic upheaval in the context you note. I recall reading somewhere that Jill Biden wasn’t pleased about Joe running in the past – maybe this is no different? It’s certainly the biggest possible upheaval in a marriage to become first lady when you’d sooner stay home and mind the grandkids and the garden. Look at how Melania has behaved all this time – she’s not exactly been Eleanor Roosevelt, has she?

Barbk, Neptune on the IC could also mean deep confusion because of dimentia. That to me is what is most likely to take Joe out of the race, and I sure hope Jill is there to protect him. That’s probably her role, as we saw when she defended him from the animal rights protester on Super Tuesday.

Although Yang obviously likes Joe more as a person, he’s closer to Bernie on issues, so I don’t think he’s going to endorse anyone, but that just makes him that much more available for the VP role in the convention. He’s staying in the public eye (with NorthNode on his Descendant right now that’s pretty easy), but for good reasons, not as a self-serving person, so he’s going to stay engaged with the people who supported him, and that group will be energized to help whoever picks him for VP, or probably more likely, for a cabinet position or maybe head of a new technology department.

I watched Elizabeth Warren’s interview on Rachel Maddow last night and I had a strong feeling I was looking at the long-awaited President for 2024. I believe that this week we have discovered the Democratic nominee and next President, the VP nominee and future VP and the following President. Warren is the only candidate whose stature was enhanced by leaving the race. She is by far the best choice for VP in my view. Others will make an all-star Cabinet.

Her chart is fascinating despite the lack of time of birth. Her Jupiter at 0 Aquarius (right on my Mercury which may make me attuned to her) is at the apex of a major Yod formation with a base consisting of Sun conjunct Uranus at 0 Cancer sextile Saturn at 1 Virgo. I’m a strong believer in Yods, as i have two of them in my chart and they reveal a lot. She also has a brilliant Mercury-Mars conjunction at 9-10 Gemini, which explains her intellectual energy, trine both Jupiter and Neptune in Libra.

If she becomes the next Uranus return President in the middle and late 2020s, her Mercury-Mars sitting on the US Uranus will be most fortunate for her and for her country as she will have the skill, the wits and the will to face that challenge.

She was born 22 June 1949 with a 6 life path. A 22 birth date often brings super-talent or genius, for example Chopin. It it is also fated tragically, for example Edward Kennedy. Her life path would generally be one of seeking harmony and domestic bliss, which she appears to have achieved since her middle years are again ruled by the number 6. In more developed minds, a 6 would bring a loving social consciousness. She obviously relates well with the little girls she strives to empower. But the final years of her life are ruled by 5 and should be dramatic and anything but peaceful.

She left the Democratic race as Saturn approaches in two weeks its first conjunction to her Jupiter, which I interpret as a setback with a silver lining or a lucky reversal. Saturn will repeat that conjunction in late June which may be the moment when Biden selects her as his running mate, and in December there will be an exact Jupiter-Saturn conjunction on her Jupiter, which will be extremely beneficial for 20 years, till the end of her life presumably.

It is also noteworthy that her Saturn-Jupiter conjunctions closely parallel Biden’s Pluto-Jupiter oppositions which appear to be very fortunate for him.

Barb k, I agree that Neptune on Biden’s IC is another troubling sign in addition to the next Inaugural Chart. He may already know or feel his time will be short and that he will barely have time to accomplish his final mission to rid the country of Trump. His mind or his body is slipping away. I think he already knows he will soon choose the next President and that will be one of the greatest decisions he will ever make.

Good points Beowulfie and Chiro; astrological symbols offer up numerous scenarios and we must do a lot of thinking about them. Individuals having their birth charts examined can have strengths and weaknesses that aren’t always revealed by those symbols.

That’s the reason I feel politicians offer astrologers opportunities to sharpen their astrological skills; kind of like practice or “pretend” charts. If we are wrong (about a politician’s aspects) no one is harmed.

I am interested in seeing how transiting Neptune opposite the US natal Black Moon Lilith, exact around April 6 or 7, expresses – if at all. Will Joe take a fall for the US for some repressed sense of weakness? I’m wondering if it might be about Elizabeth Warren’s withdrawal from the race.

Andre, What a powerful post you wrote.

posted from my phone
I do think Biden running EW as his VP would be a very smart move. He doesn’t need a Black woman as running mate. He’s already got the Black vote. Upon gaining the nomination his first and most important task will be to unite the Left and Moderate wings of the party. Defeating Trump absolutely requires it.

Bernie has already stated in the recent interview with Rachel M. that he would not run as VP. He was IMO very realistic on this point. Were Biden to choose Bernie, he would alienate moderates, and anti-Trump conservatives. Also, it is doubtful a Biden/Bernie governing relationship would work all that well were they to win.

Out of practical and political necessity Biden will gradually move further Left. He is in the final analysis a pragmatist. Events yet to come will be very persuasive.

EW possesses a big grandmotherly heart. Her intelligence, knowledge, and expertise are all very obvious when she addresses issues within the areas she has researched, the several books she has written, and taught. But when she ventures into other politically important areas, she is very much out of her element and quite misguided in her perceptions and proposed solutions.

She is nevertheless i think, far more flexible than many other Dems, as she looks squarely at evidence and she knows when a study has been thorough, done well, or not. In that sense I suspect she is more pragmatically Leftward than ideologically so. She transitioned from R to D years ago, not on the basis of armchair philosophy, but through a clear eyed developing understanding of economic data and good peer reviewed social psychological and legal research.

As far as her age, I don’t see it as a problem. Nancy Pelosi is about 10 years older and still going strong. There may be better female choices for Bidens VP. But I can’t think of any. Were she to become president during Bidens term, or elected to be there in 2024 she would be our Elizabeth I.

Andre, what you and Chiro and Beowulfie and myself see as transiting Neptune conjuncts Biden’s natal chart’s IC, could possibly contribute to his withdrawal as candidate.

Personally, I am freaked out because of a New Moon on April 22 at 10:27 PM EDT, Washington DC.

It is at 3+ Taurus (the “Chiron degree”) and conjuncts Uranus at 6+ Taurus. The chart has 20+ Virgo on the MC and 20+ Pisces on the IC with Neptune at 19+ Pisces conjunct it along with Biden’s natal chart IC at 19+ Pisces. Biden’s natal Ceres is at 20+ Pisces. US natal Black Moon Lilith is at 19+ Virgo.

Mercury at that time is at 20+ Aries conjunct the US natal Chiron. Will study this more when I get time.

Eliseo, an Elizabethan Age may indeed be upon us. Ja, thank you.

Warren is not the source of the resurgence of progressive policy (that would be Bernie), but she is its best synthesizer and champion, according to this New Yorker article:


the latest from denise seigel

From Robert Reich, FB

“Well, there you have it. Yesterday, when asked about the growing national debt, Trump pledged to cut Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid if reelected. This has been his plan from the start: 1) Pass massive tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations by claiming they’d pay for themselves. 2) Explode the deficit and send the national debt skyrocketing. 3) Demand cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

At this point, Trump and his enablers aren’t even trying to hide their plans anymore. For decades, Republicans in Washington have had their eyes on Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. If Trump is reelected, they’ll finally get their wish. We must all come together to stop them.”

This Sunday’s Full Moon conjuncts the US natal Black Moon Lilith – both at 19+ Virgo. The Sun conjuncts transiting Neptune at 18+ Pisces. Transiting Chiron at 4+ Aries is conjunct transiting Black Moon Lilith (BML) also at 4+ Aries. I believe in this case BML symbolizes the coronavirus.

The FM chart’s Venus (5+ Taurus) symbolizes values and she conjuncts Uranus (breakthrough) at 4+ Taurus which is sextile the North Node at 5+ Cancer. That sextile forms a Yod with Joe Biden’s ascendant (3+ Sagittarius).

That Yod then becomes a Boomerang when Biden’s descendant/7th house cusp at 3+ Gemini is added in. The 7th house symbolizes partner and/or open enemy. The part that turns the Yod into the Boomerang (Biden’s descendant at 3+ Gemini) gets all the energy from the Yod.

The Full Moon at 19+ Virgo trines the chart’s Pallas (planning) at 18+ Capricorn and both trine the US natal Vesta (what’s invested in) at 19+ Taurus. I believe this grand trine symbolizes the virus control plans for US is being kicked into high gear.

It appears this Full Moon is linked to the New Moon on April 22.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwx7nonLJKI 29:35
Elizabeth comes out at 18:38 – about 11 minute presser.

I would love to see Elizabeth Warren take Mike Pence apart in a vice-presidential debate as she did with Bloomberg.

If you want to see a woman President, first you need to elect her as VP so she can show her competence on a wider stage and reassure all the doubters, both male and female.

I would love to see EW tell Mr. Mr. Pence he is a pig in masquerade, doing a poor imitation of a human being, but I’m sure she would use more careful and precise language.

Elizabeth Warren is a serious individual and will help this country no matter what role she plays. Secretary of Treasury is good, too. And, even better is Senate Majority Leader — quite a powerful role as we’ve seen.

About that Neptune on the 4th house cusp….as a Pisces, I’ve had the Neptune transit conj my sun sign at 1 Pisces and, lately, my Jupiter at about 15, and now, my MC and NN (18 & 19). When transiting my 9th house sun, I suffered a temporary loss that I was able to turn into something else that was very good but most of all, what I remember is the increase in empathy and social consciousness I experienced, and in a professional capacity. I also felt more easily touched and felt teary-eyed more often (not a bad thing). Right now, understandably, I feel a bit lost, like my role is to facilitate or serve others and not really use or develop my own abilities…I also have some health issues undermining my abilities — not sure what will happen, but observing. This leads me to suggest that although Neptune can manifest as loss & confusion, it also expresses itself as empathy and social consciousness. Applying that to Biden’s 4th house (possibly the WH and “home” in a much larger sense, causing him to lose his more personal sense of “home” in the future), can we turn it into something positive)?

I read that this full moon is one of three moons that will be super moons, closer to earth and, therefore, the emotions, and in Virgo, it can facilitate finally getting things organized and completed (and with mercury going direct – not out of shadow until 3/29, but direct). The U.S. government is certainly trying to do that as of yesterday and today re the COVID 19.

I also read there are 2 strains of COVID 19 now identified, with the more aggressive one active in China at the beginning, and the less aggressive one being the one that is spreading globally. This can be googled – it’s put out by Reuters and there’s an article on Forbes online.

Happy Full Moon everyone

When Neptune crossed my IC my mother passed, I was 50 and Chiron was making it’s return, as well…
As a Warren supporter I’m loving the ideas of her as V.P. or, if we flip the Senate, Senate Majority Leader. I always thought Schumer was weak so having her in that position would be terrific!

Sharon K,
VP, Secretary of Treasury, Senate majority leader:
All of the above, any one of which would be great for EW.

Maybe the IC crossing will stir up Biden’s relationship or association with women but, ultimately, heal it?

On a personal note, I’m hoping that you, slightkc & everyone who is part of this wonderful group are doing well, particularly physically, but also in every way. Life is an organic process. Sending love & light –

SharonK, thanks for sharing the Neptune transit experiences. In Joe Biden’s chart, Ceres, which is caring and concern, is at 20 Pisces, and I think the effect of becoming more empathetic is very likely with him, because he has a tendency towards that anyway. The losses he has suffered have increased his empathy for those suffering similar losses, from testimony of others that I’ve read.

Shame on Mitt!

A day after threatening to withhold his vote, Sen. Mitt Romney signaled Friday that he will support a Republican effort to obtain documents and testimony relating to work done in Ukraine by the son of former vice president Joe Biden.

The subpoena vote, set for Wednesday, comes as Trump and his Republican allies refocus their attention on Biden’s connections to Ukraine after his sudden surge in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination. Trump said in a Fox News Channel interview Wednesday that he planned to make those connections a “major issue” in the presidential race should Biden win the nomination.


around 80 nurses in quarantine – reports that requested covid19 testing has been denied to them!

3 degrees Taurus is the “Chiron degree” because of its discovery position? Just noting that Biden’s Moon is 0 Taurus if his birth time is right. That new moon chart with 3 degrees Sun/Moon is very close to his Moon, so I would think a kind of new moon for him, right?
I wonder how this Mercury station on his south node will affect his ability to communicate. Better? worse? I guess we’ll find out. It’s square his Sun/Venus, and opposite his NorthNode/Chiron. It seems important to me, since he has stumbled over his words so much.

Wondering if Neptune hitting Joe’s IC might indicate that his son might be in trouble for the Ukrainian deal. Just a flash. Or, is someone in his family dealing with a drug or alcohol addiction.

Then again, he might just have a very mundane event like a plumbing or flooding issue in his home. We can only speculate, huh?


If Biden’s son has nothing to hide, maybe Mitt is thinking is a function of his consistency; he wanted testimony on Trump – how can he not insist the same on Biden’s son? Wouldn’t it be hypocritical of him to vote against such an inquiry?

AIPAC conference that ended two days ago is reporting that two of those in attendance have tested positive for the coronavirus. Most of the entire trump team were there – speaking and mingling.


I found this english discussion on ‘the politics of pandemics’ thought provoking

Will, I think Neptune on the IC should be more than mundane events such as a plumbing problem but might include them periodically. It could be moving to the White House and finding inspiration there. Or a drug and alcohol problem in the family.

Sharon k, positive interpretations can be given, but we’re talking about an old man with presumably declining health and the 4th is the house of endings. Neptune on the IC would provide even more compassion and empathy than is already there in Biden’s case, but that increase would be caused by one’s own growing frailty, imho. Any planet on the IC is a challenge. Neptune would be a major one.

I will have Neptune in Aries on the IC in my early 70s when Uranus in Gemini crosses my Descendant. Although my health is not majorly bad at this point, I don’t expect to survive that weakening combination.

The CDC has not, as of this minute, updated their website since Tuesday morning (it is Friday night). The CDC use to be the best – the very best.

Wolfstar has a different and more complete analysis of Biden’s surge than I could do.

He emphasizes transiting Jupiter’s trine to his MC which will return later this year and his Sun in Scorpio’s exact sextile to US Pluto and transiting Saturn, which will also return in the fall.

Interestingly, he also mentions his progressed MC conjunct Juno, which to him means a female VP but also in my view underlines his wife’s importance to his success.


re: the New Moon on April 22 at 3+ Taurus

Joe also has natal Nessus at 3+Taurus, as does Bernie.

Nessus the Centaur was the rascal who tried to rape (not sure if he succeeded) Heracles’ wife, a story that can be found by Googling centaur, Nessus, astrology.

Straight Woo lists Nessus themes as:
A wolf in sheep’s clothing, a user and abuser, rape, assault, acts of violence, etc., etc. (I would add poison)

Mt. Astrologer’s Mary Plumb says Nessus “is involved with the healing and transformation of some deep, dark aspects of our shared human experience.”

On another note, Neptune, like all the planets can be experienced as positive or negative, and for people like you Sharon, who are more conscious than the average US citizen appears to be, will see the benefits of the transit to their natal chart, but it can be a scary confusing time. It really amps up the emotions, I agree!

I apologize to all for saying the Full Moon at 19+ Virgo was on Sunday. It is on Monday, my bad.

A thoughtful article on Elizabeth Warren:


“The coronavirus, in acute infections, may be expected to be just as susceptible to vitamin C as all of the other viruses against which it has been proven to be extremely effective. There has never been a documented situation in which sufficiently high dosing with vitamin C has been unable to neutralize or kill any virus against which it has been tested.
– Dr. Robert Cathcart | Author of On Vitamin C

Coronaviruses cause pneumonia as does influenza. A study of the case-fatality rate from the 1918-1919 influenza pandemic in the United States showed that most deaths were due to pneumonia. The SARS-coronavirus and the current China coronavirus were both most common in winter, when vitamin D status is lowest.”
– William Grant | PhD

“When politicians want to hide a news story, they dump it on Friday night, after five o’clock, when it’s too late to make it onto the evening news. With luck, it will be forgotten by Monday, and will never get the attention it deserves. Tonight’s news dump was that Trump is replacing acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney with retiring North Carolina Representative Mark Meadows, a key Trump loyalist.

This move has been in the works since at least mid-December when Meadows announced he would not run for reelection. Mulvaney was the Director of the Office of Management and Budget as well as the acting Chief of Staff, making him key to the withholding of the money from Ukraine that was at the heart of the Ukraine Scandal. He was also apparently the one who put together the “Three Amigos”–Energy Secretary Rick Perry, U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland, and Kurt Volker, special envoy to Ukraine—to pressure Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky to announce an investigation of Hunter Biden to weaken Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden. Mulvaney angered Trump in October when he admitted that the administration had withheld the Ukraine aid in exchange for the announcement. “We do that all the time with foreign policy,” he told reporters. “And I have news for everybody: Get over it. There’s going to be political influence in foreign policy.”


Re Joe’s Neptune on his I/C,

Neptune is well aspected in his natal chart. I doubt its crossing of the I/C would mean the end for Joe. It may cloud his judgement or throw a wet blanket on his ambitions, but I don’t think it is his death knell.

Andre, I just read Wolfstar’s analysis of Joe Biden’s chart and am heartened! Previously, I was fearful of Biden becoming the Dem nominee because I saw that transiting Saturn was in the bottom of his chart and interpreted that as he would not become president. Wolfstar made me much more hopeful. But Marjorie Orr posted an analysis of his chart recently which is not as optimistic. However, she does not use the Scorpio rising USA chart and I have always believed Wolfstar’s assertion that that is the correct rising sign for USA. Anyway, I think I’ll choose Wolfstar’s since I rather believe that we will be rid of Trump come Nov. than feel we are doomed for another four years.

I don’t think it’s Joe’s “death knell” either quintile.

However, it could be symbolic of a family situation in which the outcome was not clear and that needed to be dealt with such as illness. His natal Ceres (what nurtures us, what we are willing to fight to retain) is also conjunct his IC.

With the Full Moon on his MC opposite the transiting Sun and transiting Neptune, plus his natal Ceres on his IC, there is a likely going to be a distraction for the man.

However, transiting Saturn (28+ Capricorn) is sextile his natal Sun (27+ Scorpio) and Venus (28+ Scorpio) should see him through this challenge, even though transiting and stationing Mercury at 28+ Aquarius is square his Sun/Venus.

When you consider the Boomerang in Joe’s chart due to this FM chart’s sextile between Venus-Uranus in Taurus and the North Node in Cancer which affects his ascendant and descendant (wife?), and knowing how Joe puts his family first, it seems likely (to me) he would put his family ahead of the presidential race if need be. In any case I wish him all the best.

Could the Neptune-IC be about his son Hunter??

That’s what came to my mind, too, Frank. It fits with what Barb said –

“However, it could be symbolic of a family situation in which the outcome was not clear and that needed to be dealt with such as illness. His natal Ceres (what nurtures us, what we are willing to fight to retain) is also conjunct his IC.”

…if the Republicans come up with just enough to give the situation life again. They were able to drag on Bengazi and Hillary’s emails for years!

Stephanie, another encouraging factoid is that Mulvaney just lost his job as Chief of Staff while Saturn opposes his Sun and Meadows, his replacement, will see Saturn oppose his own Sun in January 2021.


What is the astrology of Trump and his children? It would seem that if the Repubs continue to go after Hunter Biden as they are surely to do, then Jared, Ivanka and the rest of the “mob” should get their just dues. Any thoughts?

sounds like dirty tricks on steroids is about to begin … https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/07/us/politics/erik-prince-project-veritas.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Laura you might be interested in this post.

UPDATE My tRump Astrology and Info Posts

Replies to this discussion thread

20. The tRump Crime Family

Scroll up to #19 for some of Ivanka’s difficult times.


Thank you re: Biden’s well-aspected Neptune. Helpful!


Thank you re: Biden’s well-aspected Neptune. Helpful!

Thanks for all your work Bob!

Thank you kiwi. Your acknowledgement is deeply appreciated. After geting the timing but not the exact events correct regarding January 13 I was thinking I was a forgotten man at best, getting a revelation of fair weather friends at worst.

You are ALWAYS appreciated Bob, even though that appreciation is not always expressed in writing, and some of what you write is over my head, it is certainly always there in thought!

Whaat? Bob a forgotten man? Never!

You are our secret treasure. You’d be a national treasure if the nation were aware enough to accept astrology. Thank You for all you contribute here!

Joe Biden’s decency and empathy matter vs. Trump:

Probably the Neptune transit of IC and Ceres in Biden’s chart brings this out. It’s a good thing, not a bad thing, and probably does harken back to his loss of his son and his first wife and child.

Bob, you’re one of the best.

16 million people are in lock-down in Italy, including Venice and Milan. All soccer games are cancelled.


Coming soon to a city near you.

Thank you, fellow posters, for your kind words of comfort. Cannot imagine myself as any treasure, just as one trying to do my best. I do not follow my own chart. If I did I would have seen that the dearth of responses to my posts coincided with aspects from Saturn and Pluto to points in my natal and progressed charts. Aspects determined by the nature of the planets – not the aspects. Saturn and Pluto took turns trining my natal and relocated MCs, natal and progressed Neptunes, and some midpoints.

My posts are not full of details as I only use the planets, the spaces between them, the points of the MC-IC, Asc-Desc, and true 90°hard squares in space to them (East Point, West Point, Zenith and Nadir), and limit myself to the aspects of conjunctions, squares, oppositions, sextiles, and trines. Once a relationship has been established the interpretation can usually be shortly boiled down to a base of positive or negative, fortunate or not, good or bad, but the magnitude of such is generally left to guesswork.

As I made that post the transiting Saturn/Pluto midpoint was exactly on my progressed MC. MC 298°50′. Transiting Saturn/Pluto midpoint 298°44′ (Pluto 296°29′ + Saturn at 300°59 = 597°28 / 2 = 298°44′).

Chiro, astrologically, the endearing qualities of Joe Biden are “explained” by the US natal chart(s), the ones with an ascendant at or near 12 Sagittarius and an MC at or near 1 Libra, because Joe’s natal Neptune is also at 1+ Libra. It is also where his natal asteroid Achilles (vulnerability) is.

In the 10th house at the pinnacle of this Sagittarius rising US chart, the world sees Joe as either angel-like or as muddled, or both. If his Neptune were in another sign or at least in a later degree of Libra this feature of Joe’s persona would not be so exposed to the world. I’m absolutely sure there is a reason for this.

We need a kind of savior type of figure now, we weary-of-Trump people in the world, and we elevate him (US chart’s MC) as a balm for our pain.

Thank you for sharing this story’s link.

Bob, astrology (and other “arts” available to us human beings) give us a purpose for being, whether we asked for it or not. You fulfill that purpose in spades. Thank you for being.

That goes for Nancy and all of the commenters here as well, IMO!

Andre & Elizabeth,
I’ve replied to your respective emails. Please check them.

Sharon K,
Your next. I’ll get to the material you sent me soon and reply asap.


Neptune juxtaposed to Biden’s IC could signify divine or spiritual infusion to the Mercury at 21 Scorpio in the 12th. More talk about hospitals and health care, more ideas brought on by the Neptune conjunct Biden’s natal Ceres in Pisces.

Neptune might very happy talking to somebody (Mercury) who lives in his House (#12).

Bob, you are amazing. I respect and appreciate your contributions!

Bloomberg adviser previews ‘scorched-earth’ campaign to be aimed at Trump’s ‘grifter’ family


Bob- Forgotten? Never. In fact I have several friends, who do not read this blog consistently ask me: ‘What did Bob say’. Never doubt your information spreads beyond here. Thank you for all the work you do.

For some crazy reason I had never compared Joe Biden’s chart with the US Sibley chart, so thank you Barbk, for pointing out the very relevant Neptune and MC connection. I put the two charts next to each other and there are many such connections. I hadn’t noticed that his Pluto is conjunct US Noth Node at 7 Leo. I hadn’t noticed that his Jupiter is conjunct US Mercury (within 1 degree). His MC is close to conjunct US Neptune and BLM. Interesting stuff.
Thank you, Barbk, for your insights, as always.

Bob, you have been one of the most on point astrologers here, to me. I think your post on the Saturn/Pluto midpoint transit of your MC says exactly why you feel so deeply about this right now. You’ve invested yourself deeply in astrological research and your identity is tied up in that.

Kamala Harris Endorses Joe Biden for President
Ms. Harris, who ended her own presidential campaign in December, is the latest in a parade of prominent Democrats to throw their support behind Mr. Biden.


Excellent observations Lamis B and Chiro. Thank you both for sharing.

Tomorrow’s Full Moon conjuncts Joe Biden’s birth chart’s MC, both at 19+ Virgo. Pallas (the strategist) at 18+ Capricorn will trine the full moon and Joe’s MC at 19+ Virgo, and all will trine the US natal chart’s Vesta, what we invest in, at 19+ Taurus.

Vesta provides focus and Pallas provides protection and the Moon provides feeling and all 3 are symbolic of the feminine side of duality, which would bode well for Joe in all of the March primary elections (which are many) from the women who vote, especially Tuesday the 10th.

Because of the transiting Pisces Sun and Neptune in this Full Moon chart OPPOSITE the Virgo Full Moon, the Grand Trine between the Virgo Full Moon and transiting Pallas in Cap and the US Vesta in Taurus, the Full Moon (+ Joe’s MC) becomes the focal point and this is called a Kite pattern, having to do with fate and destiny.

Transiting Pallas, a warrior goddess whose specialty is planning attacks, at the Full Moon will be where the Neptune-Uranus conjunctions took place in 1993. At the time of that Neptune-Uranus cycle start, transiting Pluto in Scorpio was trine the US natal Mercury in Cancer.

I will be watching for indications of a Neptune-Uranus influence in the news coverage of Tuesday’s Primary and throughout March.

‘A Warrior Goddess’


Avery impassioned opinion piece by Tom Steyer:

” The establishment has failed so many decent, hard-working people — if we don’t call it out, aggressively and repeatedly, nothing will change.

Nowhere is that more evident than on the issue of climate justice. The Trump administration and the Republican Party support fossil fuel interests because doing so dovetails neatly with their political needs. As the founder of the Need to Impeach movement, I assure you I find this behavior — which endangers every American — beneath the contempt of any true patriot.


Trying to read widely about the virus, and the most striking things I’ve read in the last day is that in terms of us following in Italy’s path by number of diagnosed cases, we’re 9 days behind them, and they just cut off a whole region for three weeks. No one in. No one out.

The other — that their hospitals/respirators are nearly at capacity, and they fear they’ll soon have to make decisions about which patients to treat and try to save and which they can’t. Which, honestly, seems like a situation we could easily find ourselves in here, from what I’ve read about available hospital beds and respirators here.

It’s hard to imagine Trump taking such decisive action as shutting down access in and out of certain areas of the country.

Can governors close borders to their states? Can mayors close cities? Does anyone know?

Good questions Teresa Hill. In NY, we have several public schools closing for the week and an hour ago, Columbia University announced it is closing down. Columbia will be going remotely effective Wed.


Two members of Congress announced they are self-quarantining after being advised that a CPAC member is currently being hospitalized with coronavirus. Assume the number will grow.

Hygiea is named for the goddess of health, a daughter of the Greek medicine god Asklepios. The word ‘hygiene’ comes from her name and the asteroid has a bearing on issues of cleanliness, health and well-being. Illness and disease (especially ‘dis-ease’) come under Hygiea, and the healing processes required for restoration to wholeness and harmony. This asteroid seems to act as a cleanser and potentizer (to borrow a useful word from homoeopathy), and can activate transformative processes that produce a ‘new improved’ version of some aspect of life. Concepts of purity and purification also seem to be very important with Hygiea, and it can help people to ‘clean up their acts’ on many levels.

(From Solar Fire)

The US prog Hygiea is at 16 Scorpio, which forms a grand trine with US prog Sun and Jupiter. Prog Sun is conjunct Sedna (underwater, or resisting victimization..or victimization depending).
I think this bodes well–perhaps we come out of this pandemic relatively unscathed.
Or maybe that’s way too easy. Besides Hygiea what would we look at?

Barbk, what would a Neptune-Uranus media coverage look like? Is it dreams of the future? Confusion and unexpected change? Illusion or ideals meet technology? It seems like lots of possibilities.
Maybe with the media, Saturn-Neptune sextile meant the media was in the hands of big corporations during the 20th century. Maybe it means, with Uranus-Neptune, media is digital and in the hands of Google, Facebook etc. , the technology companies.

Your analysis of the full moon chart does show a favorable alignment with Biden’s chart for the upcoming primaries. How it is covered, though, is harder and harder to determine because it’s so fragmented among many digital outlets.

ja,many thanks for the Warrior Goddess piece. Very clever.

Chiro, thank you for the info on Hygiea. Good stuff.

Right now transiting Neptune (invisible) is 46 degrees behind transiting Uranus (unexpected). A semi-square (subtle tension) is 45 degrees between planets, so Neptune and Uranus have been semi-square for a while and that qualifies for a re-awakening of their cycle’s motivational energy.

In 1993 when Neptune and Uranus were starting their present cycle in Capricorn, transiting Saturn in Aquarius was square transiting Pluto in Scorpio and in their 3rd and final exact square trans. Saturn (restrict) was conjunct US natal Moon (US people) and trans. Pluto (death/rebirth) was square US natal Moon. Now the chickens have come home to roost.

A brand new cycle between Saturn and Pluto in Capricorn began this past January 12th at which time trans. Neptune and trans. Uranus were semi-square (same as now) with 46 degrees between them.

Interesting how these 2 sets of planetary cycles have co-mingled their intentions (what motivates them) utilizing the US natal chart planets to drive home a point. (The January 12 Saturn-Pluto conjunction was trine the US Neptune.)

At this point the US Pluto, Moon and Neptune are teaching tools for the Universe’s use via the Uranus-Neptune cycle and the new Saturn-Pluto cycle. How we the US people respond to these energies could shape how the human race evolves in the coming years.

Right now the Neptune influence seems predominant, along with the Uranus influence in shaping the personal inner workings of we human beings, while Pluto and Saturn re-shape the outer societal workings. We are just putty in the hands of the Universe.

Sorry ladies, no time to sit outside and spoon. We have to harvest these GOP miscreants during these coming Sibly harvest Moon dates:

April 25th transit Pluto stations opposite tRump’s natal Saturn. Sibly progressed Moon conjoins the January 13th Sun, Saturn, and Pluto stellium.

October 10th progressed inaugural Moon conjoins progressed inaugural Saturn. They are opposite tRump’s natal Sun.

November 2nd progressed Sibly Moon conjoins progressed Sibly Pluto. General election the next day.


I love this place. So many interesting people and posts.
Being putty in the hands of the universe, I decided to look at the NYSE chart while it’s melting down to see what the full Moon chart had to say.
NYSE has Mars at 18 Virgo in the 2nd house of values, quincunx Moon at 19 Aries in the 9th, which is a big adjustment right there, and the Moon/Sun 18 Virgo/Pisces alignment is right in sync with that. Big adjustments are not falling off a cliff, however. NYSE’s MC is 0 Taurus, so the chart is ruled by Venus. The transit of Venus right now is 4 Taurus. The NYSE Venus is at 5 Taurus, so we will probably see a surge soon.

Good work Chiro!

Also thank you to barbk, BuckeyeShadow, Henri, and Chiro.

Now transit Jupiter will not be denied as he (?) trines my natal birthplace MC and Natal Uranus. I have found that many who post here have more relative insights than I regarding the state of affairs this country is in while I am generally satisfied to provide information that others may find useful in promoting their own opinions. More often than not I stop short of trying to detail what positive or negative events may become evident as the data comes into fruition.


Thank you for the email, I did receive that. I wanted to ask you before I respond, if you intended me to do so, or if you were just sending that to me to read? Either way, I appreciate it, it was very interesting, I always gather a lot from your perspective. I would love to start a dialogue but I understand if that was not your intention, I know it’s difficult for you to access your computer.

We have now entered the Tumultuous and Tremendous 2020s, a period of astounding cultural, economic and social change. Ten years from now, we should be in the midst of our first woman President’s second term. First, she has to be elected VP.

The intensity and vastness of change will frighten and confuse many; resistance will remain but slowly diminish. For most, it will be a time when hope and faith are restored in a more egalitarian and progressive society. In 2030, major problems will remain, notably climate change, but we will have made major breakthroughs.

This is foreshadowed to a degree by events in Scandinavia. In Finland, five political parties form a coalition government. All five are led by women. Most cabinet members are women. The Prime minister is 32, the Finance minister is 34; both are women. The result is a more inclusive and solutions-oriented government. Ideological differences remain between liberal and conservative women but there is noticeably less acrimony in Parliament. The dark side is that family violence caused by men is nowhere higher in Europe than in Finland and neighboring Denmark, another egalitarian society. Men seem at a loss and may hang on to their guns more than ever in the US if strict laws are not adopted and enforced.

France, surprisingly, is now seen as the country with the most progressive gender balance in the workplace. This is because of a new law providing for 50-50 parity on company boards. The proportion reached by women there in a recent study (in French) is now 44%. This is permeating throughout business culture in a traditionally macho country. Similar patterns will emerge in the US.

On a different subject, Biden’s chart is as well suited to deal with the US Pluto return as Warren’s with the subsequent Uranus return. We have mentioned Neptune on his IC, which may mean a pandemic in the homeland. But Neptune is trine his Jupiter, which is fortunate, so he should be able to handle it. More importantly, his Sun is sextile US Pluto, and his Jupiter, which is conjunct the Constitution’s innovative Uranus, opposes US Pluto. This is a person who can not only successfully deal with government, banking and corporate power structures, but also successfully oppose them if need be where the Constitution’s basic humanitarian promise to the people is involved, since his Jupiter and the Constitution Uranus are in Cancer and both are inconjunct the US Moon at 25 Aquarius.

The approaching Mars-Jupiter conjunction on my Sun is decidedly making me more optimistic. January’s Saturn-Pluto conjunction in Capricorn cannot be fully understood without the square to Eris and the additional conjunctions to Ceres and Mercury. Also, Jupiter was right behind and Neptune is sextile. This is so much unprecedented information it takes some time to comprehend, but now Mars is bringing it home.

I believe Mars-Jupiter is the rise of a benevolent male figure, an older and experienced man who understands power because of Saturn-Pluto. Eris is the general conflict and polarization of our time.
The presence of Mercury in the conjunction while Pluto and Saturn are simultaneously opposing US Mercury mean to me that mass communications are both the problem and the solution. Ceres is the coming nourishing female figure who will tackle climate change, gender inequality and other major social and economic issues. In accordance with the Greek myth (which gave us the word cereal and where she rescued her daughter who had been kidnapped by Pluto), she will strike a workable balance on behalf of nature and of women with darker male powerful forces, including the polluting oil and mining industries.

Sorry for the long post, I’m on a roll here with the Full Moon trine my Sun, sextile my Jupiter-Uranus conjunction, and Neptune in the 3rd sextile my Sun.

I wish to add something about Trump. I am returning to my initial vision of last year where he tries desperately to cling to power in November but is thrown out under extreme circumstances. I had been more pessimistic in recent months because nothing seemed to stop him. However, his progressed 12th house Moon, in the house of self-undoing, is finally showing results. The last time this happened, he almost lost everything because of his casino bankruptcies. He was only saved by Deutsche Bank, the same institution that bankrolled Auschwitz for the Nazis and is now the main money-lender for the Russians. This criminal President could only be elected with the help of a criminal foreign bank. This should all come out more clearly this year.

He won’t escape this time because in addition he has transiting Pluto opposite his Venus-Saturn conjunction. This would be fatal to anyone else’s fortunes and it is once-in-a lifetime occurrence. Unfortunately for him, it is now. I thought recently he might somehow survive or escape this reckoning, but I now think I was wrong.

Bush 43 was a bad President, even though he looks good when compared to Trump. He was punished by 9-11, Hurricane Katrina and the Great recession. Trump’s reckoning will be much worse, but he will be at his most dangerous in the second half of this year.

After he has finally left the White House, a big question will be what to do with him. Should he be put in jail for his wrongdoing or should the country move on? It’s not like there won’t be other pressing matters.

“Trump has asked Attorney General William Barr to launch a Department of Justice investigation into the media’s coronavirus coverage.”

https://politicususa.com/2020/03/09/trump-barr-coronavirus.html… via

As spring comes it will be warmer down in the basement. Besides, cold temperatures or not, I’ll soon be down there with my computer far more often, as I have essays and novels to finish writing. I’m getting ready to do some major writing and performing.
If you are interested in more dialogue through email, by all means email me.

Posted by Molly Gauthier “I’m sharing this article with you because the concern with this viral epidemic is not the virus itself. It’s the body’s response to it. The virus kills lung cells. The problem is what happens next. A secondary bacterial overgrowth can set in. What kills people with coronavirus is the immune system’s reaction to it, which can trigger a “cytokine storm.” The immune system loses its mind (Pisces NM, FM opp Neptune). That can be fatal when it happens in the lungs. Here is an article about how to support your immune system and avoid the cytokine storm.
Herbalist Matthew Wood says the trick is to continually warm the body’s core to help move the dampness and debris out, and then focus on the periphery – sweating and diaphoretic herbs to allow the “dampness” (or cellular debris) to move out. He focuses on sweating, but pooping is even more important in keeping the lymphatic system moving and keeping the body’s “sewer system” clear.”


Very interesting info Angellight, thank you.

Beth Owl’s Daughter:

In a very real sense we have two minds, one that thinks and one that feels.
Daniel Goleman, internationally known psychologist, and author of Emotional Intelligence


ja, welcome

I also receive Beth Owl’s notices since someone from this site began posting her here.

Andre, To what do you attribute the changes you describe from an astrological standpoint? Is this about the Pluto return and then Uranus return for the US in the next 10 years?

In regard to Biden, a lot will depend on his VP, because its not our imagination that he has the beginnings of dementia. He has muscle-memory no doubt with regard to a lot of things, to carry him through, but I don’t see him being a strong candidate all by himself for the next 7 months.

Although, he should do well in the upcoming primaries on Tuesday, the debate could change things. Positive reinforcement and a full moon aligning with his chart may give him confidence and a belief in himself that will shine through for the primaries, but when faced with the seriousness of the economy and the corona virus, his confusion may reassert itself. Although he has several good transits for that night. Jupiter transits sextile his Mercury, Mars transits sextile his Neptune. Astraea is conjunct his Jupiter that night, which might give him good staying power. On the other hand Mercury, still sitting on his South Node, may make him seem either very deliberate in his speech or very slow, and Saturn at 29 Cap will be quincunx his North Node, so reaching out to his audience may be hindered in some way. It’s not all good. Although the Sun that night is trine his Jupiter, so it’s mostly good.


This is like a movie where someone’s trying to takeover the government by taking outlast its leader.

In the last few days, Trump has met with and shaken hands with, even ridden on Air Force One with a number of Republicans who attended CPAC and have been notified they came in contact with someone with the virus. Matt Gaetz, who wore the gas mask on the house floor, was on Air Force One with Trump when he found out he needed to self quarantine.

Trump must be freaking out right now.

Does anyone see him getting the virus?

For those with a scientific bent, this is very interesting…


Teresa Hill, that would be the cherry on top of his karmic dessert!


“In regard to Biden, a lot will depend on his VP, because its not our imagination that he has the beginnings of dementia. He has muscle-memory no doubt with regard to a lot of things, to carry him through, but I don’t see him being a strong candidate all by himself for the next 7 months.”

That is quite an inflammatory assertion – are you a medical or neurological professional? What are you basing these statements upon specifically?

While it would be a historic example of poetic justice, I think that man is much too stupid to get sick.

Andre–for the good of the country and the world, he must be prosecuted and imprisoned, and his fortune and assets seized and liquidated. In all seriousness, he must be punished as severely as possible, and it should not stop with him. Go after and takeddown his family, the sick and complicit members of the GOP. McConnell should be frogmarched right out of the Senate on live TV, disbarred and imprisoned.

There are many things that must be handled, indeed. Justice and prosecution of these wicked men and their lackeys cannot and must not fall to a low priority on this list.

The precedent absolutely must be established that no one–including the POTUS–is above the law.

In one of my past professions I worked extensively with patients suffering from organic brain disorders, brain damage, dementia, etc. I’ve interviewed 100’s of mentally ill patients, prisoners, etc. often in an intake process as my responsibility was to develop a tentative “prediagnosis” to recommend as probable to the psychiatrist or physician.

I do not claim to be an expert. It has been a number of years since I worked in the mental health & medical system. But in all the TV interviews of Biden or debates I’ve seen he did not appear to be suffering from any dementia.

With all due respect, I’m puzzled. On what basis does your assertion rest that Mr. Biden is suffering from dementia?

I agree with you entirely, with one exception. Although true the orange tyrant is pretty stupid, I don’t think his stupidity will protect him from the disease.


Too funny. It wouldn’t be unimaginable if the coronavirus landed on AssWind-in-Chief and it got sick! Hell, maybe Urine Breath’s serum is the antidote to the virus!

Pres Trump told aides he’s afraid journalists will try to purposefully contract coronavirus to give it to him on Air Force One and has asked the Secret Service to bar anyone who has a cough from the White House grounds, per Vanity Fair.

https://vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/trump-germaphobe-in-chief-struggles-to-control-the-covid-19-story?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=onsite-share&utm_brand=vanity-fair&utm_social-type=earned… via

“Trump is total meltdown. He told aides he thinks journalists want to get coronavirus on purpose to spread it to him on Air Force One. My latest:”

Vanity Fair piece above

Angellight — I read that article above and all I could think of was Trump’s mental illness.

He’s “Dark Triad” — narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy. Inherent in that is a good dose of underlying paranoia. It never can be “HIS” fault, can it?

I’m trying to recover from a bad head cold while attempting to keep my mom from catching it. I’m also trying to recover from Liz’s suspension of her campaign. I’m actually finding the latter harder to get over than the former. grrrr

Republican Mayor Drops Trump for Joe Biden in Key Swing State of Michigan. While Taylor, a life-long Republican, voted for President Donald Trump in 2016, he said he would cast his ballot for Biden this year because Trump is “deranged.”


slightkc: Many people are beginning to see how mental Trump really is. Virus is exposing him. Hope you and your mom get well soon. Take care.

I wonder if tRump is deliberately obstructing best treatment of Covid 19 in order to have it spread faster than it might with best approach to limit or slow it’s spread so he might suspend the November elections.

All states receiving federal aid should be tracked to see if he is fast tracking ‘Red’ states while neglecting or obstructing ‘Blue’ states.

Eliseo, I’m no expert either. My mother had vascular dementia in the last 2 years of her life, and had been sharp as a tack until then. (She was 91 when she passed away.) I’m just going by what the neuropsychologists said at the time, in regard to slurred speech, word searching, etc. But I can’t diagnose anything. Your experience counts way more than my impressions. Also, I just watched a video of Biden’s CNN town hall, and I thought he was terrific. He is a good man, no question, and I should not be making absolute statements.

Will, my apologies regarding my apparently inflammatory assertion. I will say that, regardless of Biden’s mental acuity, his VP pick will be important.

On another topic completely, the NYSE is going up today. Let’s hope it’s a trend. Venus is now conjunct the NYSE Venus for a very short time. Uranus is not too far from there, and will transit that point for a few weeks at the end of this month and the first half of April, so that may portend lots of fluctuations to come.

Hi all, I don’t post much, but I love to follow the conversation and really appreciate reading the broader viewpoint here.

However I want to steer people away from the idea that Biden is displaying dementia. There was a substantial article in the Jan/Feb 2020 issue of The Atlantic magazine describing how he has been overcoming a stutter since childhood. He has developed conversational tricks, pauses and word changes, when he is approaching a letter that he knows is problematic for him. For instance, when he was accused of forgetting Obama’s name, he had paused and switched to saying “my boss” for just this reason.

I don’t have a digital subscription so can’t provide a link here. A brief take: “Joe Biden’s verbal miscues, non sequiturs, and tangents have voters worried about his mental fitness. Maybe they’d be more understanding if they knew he’s still fighting a stutter.”

Dear Chiro,

Biden has fought a lifelong struggle with Stuttering. It is not a cognitive issue. Stuttering manifests in various ways.

Biden has had a long career in the public eye despite that stutter. He was on O’Donnell’s show last night and spoke at length on complex topics. There’s no question his mind is fully capable.

Conflating Biden’s stutter with dementia is a Republican/Russian talking point that unfortunately was seized on by Sanders’ campaign and supporters.

When you attack Biden’s stutter as dementia you are insulting people who stutter, people who actually have or deal with dementia.

You are also disseminating the propaganda of our foreign and domestic enemies.

Chiro, in my book you are now officially a troll, if not a bot, and anything you post will be filtered through this suspicion.

Hey guys, I’m not going to take it personally. People get upset about politics. But believe me, my reactions are very mild compared to what you will read from the Republican news sources. I’m just a Democrat who happens to read all the news.

And, with Venus and Uranus opposite some personal planets, I have to expect opposition. Astrology helps with detachment.

Chiro, I don’t feel that way at all (that you are a bot or troll). You make fine contributions here. Joe does exhibit some signs that show he could be slowing down a bit cognitively, or at least, that he was “rusty”. I also believe he did so more from the beginning. The others appeared sharper, especially the younger candidates on the debate stage, but Bernie & Elizabeth also have their own super powers. That being said, it’s not unusual to have at least a little slowdown at 77 and I always was aware of the connection with the stuttering (mind – mouth/speech interference). I do think he is much more in the groove now and has hit something of a stride. At the same time, what you said was not so out of line as it was worrying me, too, more so earlier. My hope and a lot of people’s hope (from what I’ve gleaned here) is that he’s the right man for this time and that he will do fine as a one-term president, especially with a great & dynamic team (vp, cabinet, wife) and policy platform. He certainly is very authentic, honest, and deeply caring of candidates (and he has that really terrific smile).

I had to shake my head, someone in amusement but also strong surprise that he told a 2nd Amendmenter today that he was full of shit. Only Joe can get away with that but I hope he gets away from doing it! I can just picture him standing up in front of Congress and telling a right-winger he’s full of shit. It won’t fly.

Anyway, thank you for clarifying and apologizing. Please carry on.

meant to write “and deep caring of others” – not “candidates” lol

deeply (and mercury went direct today)!

Chiro, intentionally or not your comment was of the “When did you stop beating your wife?” category. And we all know that Trump cult members say far worse things, but that’s not an excuse for posting what is essentially gossip. We don’t need you to enlighten us about the character of cultists.

It takes little effort to check out something you’re about to post. But apparently you don’t really “read all the news.”

Sharon, you are far kinder than I am. I’ll blame a strong Scorpio natal chart for my inability to suffer fools gladly. Kinda like Joe.

I think I heard a reporter (MSNBC) say that Trump refused to be tested, REFUSED!

“10 days from now” The Spring Equinox will have just taken place; the Sun will be at 0+ Aries. Mars will conjunct Jupiter at 22+ Capricorn, reinforcing the recent Saturn-Pluto conjunction.

The Moon at 17+ Aquarius will be conjunct Ceres at 18+ Aquarius at the time of the Mars-Jupiter conjunction, a double-nurturing effect, and they will form a grand trine with Trump’s natal Jupiter (+ US prog. Mars) at 17+ Libra and his natal Uranus at 17+ Gemini. Does this mean Trump is sick? Or does it mean everybody will be able to get tested?

Pluto at 24+ Capricorn is opposite US Mercury at 24+ Cancer, whatever that means.

Neptune at 18+ Pisces is sextile Venus at 16+ Taurus (that is square Moon-Ceres in Aquarius) and Venus is 3 degrees away from US natal Vesta (what’s invested in) at 19+ Taurus.

This sextile between trans. Neptune and trans. Venus (+ US Vesta) forms a Yod to the US progressed Mars (+ Trump’s natal Jupiter) at 17+ Libra that’s in a grand trine with transiting Moon-Ceres in Aquarius and Trump’s Uranus in Gemini.

Transiting Neptune in Pisces squares Trump’s Uranus in Gemini. Sounds like a plan. Transiting Saturn (29+ Cap) conjuncts US progressed Pluto (29+ Cap).

Trans. Saturn (+ US prog Pluto) is still in orb of a sextile to the trans. Equinox Sun and that sextile forms a Yod to Trump’s ascendant (29+ Leo) in the apex which has to “adjust” or else.

Trans. Mercury at 2+ Pisces trines US natal Venus (+ US Jupiter + transiting North Node) in Cancer and they all trine the US progressed Saturn at 2+ Scorpio = a grand trine in water (feeling) signs.

Just so you know, Mercury at the Mars-Jupiter conjunction, “10 days from now”, is also within orb of being opposite Trump’s ascendant, so it will be Trump acting as the facilitator (or the motivation) in a Kite pattern (a grand trine with a 4th planet/point opposite one of the 3 planets in a grand trine).

Just the facts m’am. Looks to me (right now) a whole lot going on but it’s coordinated (not so much by human beings) to be a successfully encapsulated virus problem in the US. More study required.

Sanders Cancels Primary Night Rally, Citing Concerns Over Virus
As he awaited results in six states, Mr. Sanders called off an event in Cleveland, the first major cancellation of the primary season because of the coronavirus.


Chiro, when it gets heated here, I stay away from this blog for a while (a few days, sometimes more), but I can’t stop reading it. I come back when everybody is in another place. We all make mistakes and then the criticism is valid even if it is sharp. Sometimes it’s not, but I get over it. Overall, it’s still good.

Correct me if I’m wrong, and I know we all want to see him go down and pay for his wrongdoings, crimes, and even his stupidity (what a moron), but I think we want the virus to be “successfully encapsulated” more than we want to see Trump “en-virus-ulated” 🙂

LOL, I love astrology and how everything’s connected!
My 65th bd is coming up May17th and I was a nervous wreak because I didn’t want to deal with setting up Medicare and Social Security with Mercury R as well as all the other mad planets. (It’s so complicated I wanted to weep! If you set it up wrong you could end up paying them! Horrors) After talking to people-who-know I finally asked SS in an email for a phone appointment. They set it up for today after Mercury went direct! It took all of 10 minutes to tell him what I wanted to defer or start! Yipee, and I have Aquarius rising to deal with too! HA!

SharonK and Andre, appreciate the support and advice.

Barbk, I love your posts, but I have to admit its surprising that your conclusion is that somehow Trump is pivotal to encapsulating this virus. I will read it again.

SS & Medicare appear to be pretty well organized, what with all the boomers now in the system.

But, what’s wrong with having Aquarius rising Jill G?

Are you looking at the coming Saturn transit (as well as the coming Jupiter transit which moves much faster)?

When t. Saturn in Sag went over my stepson’s 1st house, he found it within himself to have great self-discipline in terms of diet and exercise and overcame a life time medical issue.


If it’s encapsulated, I think it means large-scale shutdowns of public gatherings and businesses. Like as much telecommuting as possible. Things like New York did today to an area outside NYC to cordon off an area and have the National Guard delivering groceries and medicine to people.

The time frame puts us just a few days behind when the US could hit a critical mass of cases like Italy did right before they shut down the country.

There are graphs showing the spread of the virus in Italy and the US that put us six days or so behind Italy in the number of cases we have, and if we follow Italy’s pattern, we’ll be in deep trouble around the 16th. I can imagine Trump needing a few more days to own up to reality than Italy’s leaders.

Was it Bob who months ago saw March 17th a pivotal date for Trump?

Sharon K,
More like T Pluto in my 12th giving me pause because I’ve noticed new health issues or death taking my relatives when they have Pluto there.

Aquarius rising in my natal chart did help me be way, way more open minded than anyone in my family. Could always picture the far future easier than the present. Also been a Trekkie since the I was a kid!

Sorry about the typo above.

Here’s interesting financial info.

Looks to me that since the US progressed Moon around 24+ Cap (where transiting Pluto is now) near where the US progressed SOUTH Node is too, and they oppose the US natal Mercury at 24+ Cancer + the US Progressed NORTH Node, that we should all consider Mercury’s symbolization of cars, buses, taxies (sp?) and trains, all ground transportation, as well as the Internet, are likely carriers of the virus. It’s not just planes.

Or maybe we should think of multiple viruses; verbal and cellular.

Earlier I did not catch Juno at 16+ Libra in the Mars-Jupiter conjunction on March 29; she (and US prog. Mars and Trump’s Jupiter) is part of the grand trine with transiting Moon-Ceres in Aquarius and Trump’s Uranus in Gemini.

This Juno in the Mars-Jupiter conjunction chart is also at the Yod apex with Neptune in Pisces and Venus in Taurus as described earlier. Since she’s in the apex of the Yod and she symbolizes partnership, it might be Melania that gets Trump (his Jupiter is conjunct this Juno, along with US prog. Mars) to adjust.

The Sun at 0+ Aries tells us it is a global issue with this Mars-Jupiter conjunction (as well as an echo of the Saturn-Pluto cycle) that is squared by Eris (creator of discord).

You are correct Sharon, IMO. You are loved Chiro (it was worse in 2016!). I am neutral inasmuch as whether it is Joe or Bernie that we Dems pick to beat Trump, and that’s because I’m exhausted by the process, and because they are both nice (with beautiful souls) people, with different views (purpose). It is for the People to decide the path forward.

The reason for my last post is the confusion I see in my charts for the election coupled with what the readers are saying, Kim in particular.

Fred Trump Jr. A brother speaks posted Feb 18.
“We’re going to be surprised, where this kind of goes.” at 15:58.

The Coronavirus posted Mar 2
Regarding the election. “We’ll be surprised.” at 11:34 to 13:30.

Teresa, I have so many bad dates for tRump coming up I can;t remember them myself but I recall seeing a post by somebody that he should beware the Ides of March but can’t remember where it was.

Thanks Teresa, valuable information. I’ve got 10-12 days of food (only 6 or 7 of fresh veggies) Sigh.

Was it you Bob? I don’t remember.

arbo on March 10th, 2020 at 3:40 pm comment seemed harsh and unwarranted imo.
lets all take a deep breath and remember our collective goal.

When Sheriff arbo is in the saddle, justice comes swiftly, decidedly and unmercifully. Respect, arbo.

change of subject: I noted with some amusement that Prince Charles, winding his way along the receiving line at westminster abbey, was placing his palms together and doing a slight ‘namaste’ bow instead of his usual handshakes.

From the Editor at The Atlantic Magazine:

“I’m writing to let you know that, because of the continuing crisis, The Atlantic is making access to some of our most vital coronavirus coverage free for everyone. The Atlantic depends on the support of our readers, which is why we ask you to subscribe. Ordinarily, we require a subscription for those who wish to read more than five articles a month. But we also recognize that this moment demands the widest possible access to accurate reporting and rigorous analysis.

Please take the opportunity to read our recent coverage, including the stories below. Our hope is that they will help you navigate this epidemic.

Our team of journalists, spread out across the globe, is continuing to track this story. We thank you for subscribing, if you do so, and we thank you for considering subscribing, if you don’t. Your support allows us to deploy our journalists on this, and other stories, and to keep them safe.

Jeffrey Goldberg
Editor in Chief, The Atlantic



Thank you for The Atlantic notice.

I believe the peak of of the politically Rightward movement which began in the late 70’s in the US; the peak occurred with Trump’s presidency. It ends soon.

A pundit on MSNBC pointed out tonight Joe Biden’s 2020 positions are to the Left of Hillary’s in 2016. I believe events will gradually move Dems further Leftward with greater intensity each year.

The coronavirus is a good example of and perhaps the first of those events. It shows the necessity of a unified system, like Medicare for all.

It won’t be as Mr. Marx or other major thinkers envisioned. Nevertheless, many coming domestic and world events, as well as some extraordinary new technologies will move us all significantly Leftward politically. In the end, we will institute domestic programs and legislation very similar to what Senators E. Warren and B. Sanders have advocated, + quite a number of Left ideas neither has thought of.

Dear All,
Reading today, I am so much impressed by the level of humanity, humility, honesty, kindness, knowledge and wisdom I see in this warm and sharing group. I feel at home and deeply thankful for the privilege of being here. Love ya all. (We all hear the bad stuff; we deserve to hear the good!)

Here’s another twist…. scottish lawmakers may open investigation on how trump paid for his golf courses – someone must suspect nefarious sources, in which case they could be seized

We ALL feel privileged to be here emma, but I warn you, it’s kind of addictive (in a good way) 🙂

Eliseo, that sounds about right to me too. The Saturn-Pluto cycle that just ended in January began in 1982. Reagan was President and was re-elected in 1984.

That Saturn-Pluto conjunction chart was also a bunched up pattern with all the 10 major planets between the Moon at 12+ Leo and Mars at 5+ Capricorn. However Chiron at 25+ Taurus was square the US natal Moon in Aquarius.

That Chiron was at the apex of a Yod it made between Saturn and Pluto at 27+ Libra (which trined US Moon) and Neptune at 25+ Sagittarius and the Galactic Center at 26+ Sagittarius, both sextile the US Moon.

Chiron had to adjust during that Saturn-Pluto cycle and it was near Trump’s MC (which also squares the US Moon) so that’s how that Saturn-Pluto cycle ended; a wakeup call to the US People (US Moon).

The beat goes on.

Hi. will.

kiwi, normally this blog is a welcome respite from the usual online mindless chatter. And truthfully I don’t know what every poster’s goal is. Having been through more than one election year here I’ve become wary of visitors and some who have been posting for a shorter period of time than others have.

The bad guys are opportunistic and they sooner or later show up here. Isn’t always easy to tell them from honest ones even with a program. But the destructive thoughts and ideas stand out. And I will call them out.

I’ve been a Biden supporter for a long time. I think he’s best qualified and is the one who can withstand a monkey flinging feces at him, which is what he’s in for if voters continue to show good sense.

Has anyone looked at Bernie’s chart for the coming months?


Check out the new bumper sticker I just ordered. If you like it, feel free to order some for yourselves.

Teresa and barbk, I just worked my charts for tRump and found that the 15th and 16th (this coming Sunday and Monday) are difficult days for him. Using midpoints, the planets involved [Mars, Saturn and Pluto] are working on him right now.

Everybody’s a socialist in a pandemic:


Humanity is more in danger from stupidity than the coronavirus. An untold number of brain cells are being sacrificed in the panic buying of toilet paper.


You are welcome, Will.

Why Bernie Sanders lost Michigan – and what it means for his campaign

A cogent analysis.
I liked the comment from a young black pundit on CNN, older black folks understand that it takes time to build coalitions, forge compromises, to actually persevere thru the long slog of political work in the trenches–and Joe looks like the best bet to do that job. Bernie has flashy ideas that grab the youth’s attention, but he is a huge risk, with little or no track record of bldg those bridges and crossing them into substantive change.
With the Democratic primaries down to two real candidates, only one state really mattered on mini-Super Tuesday: Michigan. Bernie Sanders has staked his electability on his alleged unique ability to win swing states like Michigan, the so-called “rust belt” states that had fallen to Donald Trump …

View the article.

Ralfee Finn:

“This week, as a deluge of information floods the airwaves and the mind waves, try to stay as present as possible, strong and centered within yourself and your ability to discern and distinguish what’s valuable, and discard useless data that’s only meant to obscure the truth.”


There is a very good video clip from CBC in Canada – it’s a brief interview with a Dr. from Milan – scroll down to the title, as below, to see it:

WATCH | Virus ‘like a bomb’ says Italian doctor:


for those interested in the scientific facts, here is a 1.5hr interview with international expert in infectious disease epidemiology, michael osterholm

So far:
Worldwide Coronavirus Cases: 126,011
Deaths: 4,614
Recovered: 67,051
We don’t know why it affects children less, and elderly far more. Nor do we know how lethal it will be.

Worst case scenario?
History channel says 1918 Spanish flu infected 500 million worldwide & killed 20 to 50 million, more than all soldiers and civilians killed during World War I combined.

No doubt, whether we get lucky and experience a milder scenario, OR a worst case scenario, either way, this will have a deep effect on our politics.

On Lungs & ARDS – great explanation of what happens to the lungs in a serious case of the flu (11 minutes) – it makes it obvious how much care is needed for people who are really sick, which is why the medical system needs money and resources to handle the care. Fortunately the affected population is still small!


It has just occurred to me that the US progressed Mercury (thinking, communicating, understanding) has been at 20+ Aquarius for at least 8 years now (and in direct motion for at least the last 4 years) and all that time it has been sextile the US natal Chiron at 20+ Aries.

Chiron has been described as a “rainbow bridge between the inner and outer planets”, which is also the title of a book by Barbara Hand Clow (an astrologer among many other things).

Outer planets function as generational guides (ex. the Pluto in Leo generation) and the inner personal and societal planets deal with day-to-day and year-to-year guidance. Chiron serves to bridge this difference between generational comprehension and daily life navigation.

With the US progressed Mercury (20+ Aquarius) sextile the US natal Chiron (20+ Aries) both quincunx the March 9th Full Moon at 19+ Virgo we have a Yod, and with the transiting Sun and Neptune at 18 and 19 Pisces opposite the Virgo Full Moon, we have the notorious Boomerang.

Also to be considered, US progressed Mercury was conjunct the Uranus in the present Jupiter-Saturn cycle (a cycle about the ever-changing social/societal circumstances). For the US this cycle started with 9-11.

This was shocking (a Uranus thing) and the US progressed Mercury picked up these Uranus-shocking vibes, as did the US natal Chiron (a wound that won’t heal until there is consciousness).

Now this Virgo Full Moon on March 9th, 2 days ago, is activating the Uranus in the Jupiter-Saturn cycle, which activates the US progressed Mercury and the US natal Chiron, and we are being shocked into consciousness again, and it is wounding.

So US natal Chiron is providing a bridge between understanding what occurs in day to day life (inner planets) and what is understood on a generational level (outer planets) and in some way this Coronavirus is (for the US) connected to the presidential election process; a consciousness awakening via US Chiron (suffering) and US progressed Mercury (progressed thinking) with the aid of the Jupiter-Saturn cycle’s Uranus (speeded up).

The Full Moon (exposure of what’s unseen) in Virgo (health and service), for example is showing us how our present US President is an uncaring SOB, whereas Joe Biden is compassionate, and that’s what matters most in a President when there is a pandemic in the land. The Virgo Full Moon conjuncts Joe’s natal chart MC.

The Full Moon in Virgo at the apex of a Yod with US prog. Mercury in Aquarius and US natal Chiron in Aries is what we sense on an everyday conscious level; forced adjustment. This Full Moon at the apex of a Yod (in the US) is shifting, as is Joe Biden reputation (MC). It’s a good thing.

That same full moon is also quincunx Uranus in the Jupiter-Saturn cycle and that’s a generational construct we are being enabled to understand. We are becoming more conscious and that’s a good thing too.

Meanwhile, TRANSITING Uranus (breakthrough) and TRANSITING Pholus (small cause, big effect) and TRANSITING transPluto (process of becoming whole) are in a grand trine energy force (Coronavirus) and the transiting North Node in Cancer opposes the trans. South Node in Cap that conjuncts trans. Pholus (something blown out of proportion) who is the focal point of the grand trine.

Although this is all quite unnerving to the Public, it is not without benefit. Joe is the person for the time as it turns out, and all the other Dem candidates have played important roles in bringing the US People to this point. We all may not understand everything (why we are so divided for example) and it could take a generation before we do understand.

I sense we are on the right path.

I just finished watching the long interview with osterholm that I posted above. Imo, everyone should watch!
He shares a broad understanding of the ‘big picture’ as it relates not only to covid19, but other known animal to human viruses, his past research and experiences, and his advocacy for future, yet unknown, disease planning.
I hope this crisis will be the pivot point in time to politically enable rapid change to usa health care overall, in both perception and prioritizing strategies.

Five Ways to Help Stop the Spread of Infectious Diseases Like COVID-19 (Coronavirus)

According to MacArthur Fellow Gregg Gonsalves, an Epidemiologist


‘Free Access to Coronavirus Coverage’

The New York Times is providing free access to our most important updates and most useful guidance on the global coronavirus crisis.

“Suddenly the “hoax,” as Mr. Hannity and others have called the response to the virus, hit home.

Raheem Kassam, a former Breitbart News editor, was one of several conservative activists who attended CPAC and expressed frustration about how the group handled the incident. Mr. Kassam, who said he felt sick over the weekend and on social media chronicled his frustrated attempts to obtain a coronavirus test, knew that he might have been exposed only after someone who works in the office of a member of Congress who was also exposed contacted him.”

The midpoint of transiting Mars and Saturn was conjunct the January 13th Sun, Saturn, Pluto stellium during tRump’s address. It is 1 degree from opposing his natal Saturn.

does that mean the proverbial lead balloon Bob?

Mars and Saturn in aspect have been astrologically connected to one’s dirty laundry. In tRump’s case I think it is the revelation of his inadequate response to this pandemic, kiwi.

Ivanka tRump’s natal Saturn and Pluto only moved a few minutes of arc on the day she was born, therefore her progressed midpoint for them is within a few minutes of arc in accuracy. Today, March 11, 2020, at 9 pm EDT it was at 204°43′, squared by the January 13th Sun, Saturn, Pluto stellium and by the midpoint of today’s transiting Mars and Saturn.

Tom Hanks apparently has coronavirus now.

The NBA has suspended its season after one of its players was diagnosed.

The hideous orange man suspends travel between Europe and the US.

Interesting times, indeed.

The midpoint of transiting Saturn/Pluto may be opposite to or within 1 degree of opposition to Don Jr’s progressed Mars depending on his time of birth.

The midpoint of transiting Saturn/Pluto may be square or within 1 degree of square to Kushner’s natal and progressed Pluto.

Feels like tonight is the time when Americans realize this is real and bad, whether it’s from Trump’s address, to the NBA season suspension to Tom and Rita Hanks testing positive.

In case you don’t follow sports, two NBA teams were on the court warming up in a full arena when they figured out one of the players tested positive. They got the teams off the court and emptied the arena.

The campaign will be cancelled and the voting process will have to change. Major cluster-f— ahead.

On television news from France this evening, Italian doctors are crying for help. They are exhausted and submerged; they lack ventilators and many other basics. Other European nations are not helping, because they fear they may need what they have. 10,000 doctors have been called back from retirement. 40-45 year-olds who wrongly think they’re immune wait too long and are entering hospital with severe symptoms.

China is the only country that is helping Italy. It is sending 5000 ventilators and 2 million masks. American prestige will take a huge hit.

Andre – perhaps a voting blessing? forced switch to mail-in acceptance by states means higher turnout facilitation for regular working people?

Kiwi, it may also make the election harder to hack.

Senator Cantwell says one of her staff has the virus. Congress may have to adjourn for a prolonged period.

This is now feeling surreal to me and I’m beginning to believe what a lot of you have been saying, that Trump may not finish his term. The failed roll out for testing remains a failure. NY has given up on the CDC and FDA for tests and is contracting with 28 private labs to test New Yorkers. Trump’s fumbling incompetence while Americans are dying and the virus spreads is layed out for all to see. I don’t see how he can be allowed to lead any longer.

word has leaked that white house ordered early discussions about covid19 be classified!
Un -fing – believable!!!!!!!!!!!

“dozens of classified discussions about such topics as the scope of infections, quarantines and travel restrictions have been held since mid-January in a high-security meeting room at the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS), a key player in the fight against the coronavirus.
Staffers without security clearances, including government experts, were excluded from the interagency meetings, which included video conference calls, the sources said.
“We had some very critical people who did not have security clearances who could not go,” one official said. “These should not be classified meetings. It was unnecessary.”


Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, who testified today before Congress, said that if we don’t do what is necessary we could eventually have 50 to 70 million US citizens infected with the coronavirus.

My head spins. This is personal. I live with my wife and her mother. All three of us have conditions which make us more vulnerable than most to this rolling contagion. I know for a fact that is also true for many, many of us who post on this blog.

How well or how poorly this crisis is handled depends on the ideology and level of competence of the executive official at the top. But we know Mr. T is in denial ideologically, and supremely incompetent. It is therefore up to our various governors.

No doubt now, Donald John Trump will be remembered as the very worst president in American history.

pbs tonight had a story on what I think is the best formula to inspire school kids – blending the practical with study – and working on an 8acre farm. Brilliant!
story starts at the 40.47mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FQ9tRZa9hQ

For what it’s worth I don’t see anything calamitous happening to the US natal Moon (US people) in the March 19 Equinox chart, with the exception of a square from Vesta (what is invested in) in Taurus ($$) which trines Pluto (power) in Capricorn.

I DO see Pluto opposite US natal Mercury (mental workings, speech) and I see Jupiter, Mars, Pallas (planner) trine the US natal Neptune (illusion) and quincunx (adjust) the US natal Mars.

I DO see the Moon (emotions) quincunx (adjust) the US natal Sun (consciousness, strength) and I do see Chiron square the US natal Jupiter (expansion) and US Venus (values). I see Mercury in Pisces trine the US natal Venus in Cancer too.

I also see (as usual) Eris (discord) square Jupiter, Mars, Pluto, and Pallas (planner) and the US natal Mercury.

Maybe I’m missing something.

The Saturn-Pluto conjunction on Jan 12th at 22 Cap was book ended by Ceres (also at 22 Cap) and Mercury at 23.
The US prog Moon right now is at 21 Cap. Maybe we have about a month to go before the s*** hits the fan.
In that Saturn-Pluto chart Mercury is square Eris, so maybe the time for real disruption is two months away when US prog Moon is at 23 cap.
Progressed Moon is usually the “second hand” of the clock.
I noticed that Trump’s Vertex is at 22 Cap. Vertex has to do with “fated” contacts.
For example, Andrew Yang’s progressed Vertex is now at 19 degrees Virgo, and he seems to be having a Joe Biden connection-moment. As we have just seen, Joe’s MC is at 19 Virgo.

Covid-19 has taken from Trump the very thing he is fixated on – adoring crowds (rallies) & booming stock market. Karma rules.

“President Donald Trump’s new European travel restrictions have a convenient side effect: They exempt nations where three Trump-owned golf resorts are located.”


‘Biden, Seeking Contrast With Trump, Will Speak Today on Coronavirus’

The former vice president’s allies believe his remarks will project an image of steady leadership in a crisis.

“This moment of national anxiety, some of Mr. Biden’s allies believe, throws into sharp relief the choice Americans would face in a general-election matchup between Mr. Biden and Mr. Trump, and the stakes of that contest. Mr. Biden has been seeking to underscore the contrast in ways overt and subtle even as he continues a primary battle against Senator Bernie Sanders.

On Wednesday, for instance, his campaign announced the formation of a “Public Health Advisory Committee” studded with prominent health leaders and alumni of former President Barack Obama’s administration — a rollout that seemed designed to conjure the actions a president might take. Members included Vivek Murthy, a former surgeon general; Ezekiel J. Emanuel, a prominent oncologist and a vice provost at the University of Pennsylvania; and Lisa Monaco, who served as a homeland security and counterterrorism adviser to Mr. Obama.”


“Members of the public could be putting themselves more at risk from contracting coronavirus by wearing face masks, one of England’s most senior doctors has warned.
Jenny Harries, deputy chief medical officer, said the masks could “actually trap the virus” and cause the person wearing it to breathe it in. “For the average member of the public walking down a street, it is not a good idea” to wear a face mask in the hope of preventing infection, she added.”


I haven’t visited here for a long while and this morning, I wanted to catch up. I have been reading every post in this thread for about 3 hours now.

With distress, I read too many posts from Andre & Chiro re: Biden being too old and too addled.

Andre: Biden puts young people to sleep; Biden would be a risky nominee (unless) he can show some energy; could be having a sugar high; congenitally gaffe prone; even more than his potential gaffes, I am concerned about Biden’s health; I would be very concerned about Biden’s physical and mental health; his mind and body are slipping away; we’re talking about an old man with presumably declining health.

Chiro: I am looking for the “magical” transit that vaulted Biden from down and out to the top (maybe you should just stop listening to worthless TV pundits); I worry that he has the beginning of vascular dementia; I don’t think Yang is going to endorse anyone (wrong!!); Wonder how Mercury station…will affect his ability to communicate; he has stumbled over his words so much (stutterers do that – smh); it is not our imagination that he has the beginnings of dementia.

These comments are irresponsible. Thankfully, other posters called out Chiro (but not Andre) for bizarre assertions that Biden has dementia.

Mary Lou wrote the post I was ready to write: the article in The Atlantic of Joe’s stutter that he has fought his entire life. Making assertions that Joe’s speech is dementia is akin to Trump making fun of a reporter with a disability. Thank you, Mary Lou.

When Biden speaks as he did just now about the Coronavirus or as he did with his wife by his side after the primaries of March 10, he is fine. Calm and Presidential. It is in the debates when things are heated and he is speaking extemporaneously, his speech problems are more pronounced. But dementia? Dear God.

Thank you, Arbo, for not being able to suffer fools gladly.

Sedna has come up multiple times in this discussion.

I recently watched this video by Heather Ensworth on You Tube that was helpful.


Oops – sorry.

Thank you to Eliseo as well for your comment of March 10: With all due respect, I’m puzzled. On what basis does your assertion rest that Mr. Biden is suffering from dementia?


Your mention of Lungs & ARDS reminded me of a recent article written by a friend of mine, John Mathis, a senior clinical data manager and safety RN. He was in Boston at Biogen for a job interview 2 days after the Biogen conference where half the attendees (over 70) have been diagnosed with Coronavirus. He said that one of his interviewers was coughing so hard, they could not speak for a time. John is now exhibiting symptoms of the virus.

He wrote an article about his experience with ARDS in 2005. He published it on March 9, 2020, on his LinkedIn page. He has excellent advice of how to move through this difficult time.


https://twitter.com/RepKatiePorter 5:56

She persisted! I had to click on the image to get audio. I am not a member.

Rep. Katie Porter @RepKatiePorter

“·I did the math: a full battery of coronavirus testing costs at minimum $1,331.
I also did the legal research: the Administration has the authority to make testing free for every American TODAY.
I secured a commitment from a high-level Trump official that they’d actually do it.”

bob, thanks for sharing the katie porter clip. she rocks!

From Hillary Clinton’s Twitter page:

Hillary Clinton
I know this is all hard for you,
, so let me spell it out:

– Free testing
– Fee waivers
– Emergency sick leave
– Quarantines
– Cancellations
– Giving a damn

Sassy Grace thanks for the link to the Sedna piece; it is a slightly different version from those I’ve read but it does carry enough similarity to understand how Sedna has come to symbolize a break with the Patriarchal Age.

The major difference with this version is that Sedna herself chooses to leave with Big Bird, whereas in other versions she finally relents to marriage, as pushed by her father and the rest of her village people. In both cases, the disguise falls away from the Bird Man and she sees she has been duped.

The other difference in this version is that in other versions it is Sedna that calls for help to be rescued; not that her father sets out to find her, he hears her call and comes to her rescue.

In addition to her symbolism of escaping (by drowning) the patriarchal system, she represents the feminine in general and the power of water and sea life itself.

I believe that Joe Biden, not my first choice of the many Dem candidates to apply for the Presidency, is in fact the person for the transition we are going – and must go through.

As several people have alluded to here, this will likely be a one-term President elected this November. It is unlikely that total transformation from what had become a corrupt system of government to becoming a fair and equal system could happen in 4 years but rather in stages; stair steps if you will.

Joe, now in this time of fear and chaos (COVID-19), symbolizes the nurture factor so important in the US Cancer Sun symbolism. With his natal Neptune conjunct the US natal chart MC and his natal Ceres at 20+ Pisces, where transiting Neptune will soon be, he is non-threatening to many Americans who have felt threatened.

I see now that change will have to happen in stages as Sharon suggested; we-the-people need some time to heal. Joe Biden’s natal Moon at 0+ Taurus is where the US progressed Venus (values) is now, and where transiting Uranus was in 2018 when the Democrats took over the House of Representatives. I’m sold.

And, from DU, someone listed Joe Biden’s plan –

“Finally! Joe recommends actual plans. YES!!! Here they are
Mobile drive thru test facilities.

Creation of temporary hospital facilities.

Free testing and treatment.

Coordination among local, state and federal governments and agencies.

Free, widely available vaccine when possible.

Restoration of the Pandemic Response Team 45 cut

Oversight on spending to combat the virus

Immediate economic steps to stabilize economy and help those who live paycheck to paycheck. Not tax cuts or subsidies.

Step by step layout of populations that need help to eat, get education, maintain homes.

Paid sick leave during emergency

State and local emergency fund to combat each state’s unique issues

Look beyond borders and engage with the rest of the world. Lead a coordinated, global response.”

Great TED Talk on Covid-19:


I think aspects at or around the 2017 inauguration combined in someway with the August 21 2017 total solar eclipse triggered people who had faced denial for years, or maybe decades, finally demand recognition, respect, and the will to persist in demanding their concerns be addressed. The new Democratic members of Congress are awesome go-getters!


BarbK, re. your post on the 12th, 9:15 am, where you wonder how this pandemic shows up in the US chart (and presumably other charts) – I’ve looked for it too, as well as trying to see what may happen with DT as this unfolds (see Frank’s post above, re same concern).

First, I don’t think DT is going anywhere despite the virus and the mess in government – his Jupiter protects him until the end of the term at least, when Saturn and Pluto aspects kick in – presumably to his detriment. I keep looking but not seeing anything strong enough to overcome the Jupiter and take him out of the game.

As to the epidemic/pandemic relative to the US chart, BarbK, you pointed to the Jupiter aspect, “Jupiter, Mars, Pallas (planner) trine the US natal Neptune (illusion) and quincunx (adjust) the US natal Mars.” Also, you point to Chiron.

I think those are all correct, but I would add more emphasis on the expansion and growth element of Jupiter, together with Neptune. Neptune and Pisces are the natural rulers of pandemics because they know no limits, and Pisces is the sign of 2 fishes, pointing in opposite directions. Misfortune and opportunity combined. Pisces is the sign of the natural 12th house, the one that governs huge faceless institutions like hospitals and governments, which individual persons have little or no control over. In the 12th house, individuals are victims, not rulers. It’s just a change in emphasis.

Anyway, one more comment:

Thank your lucky stars you are living in the western world. It isn’t anywhere near perfect, but think how difficult it must be in 3rd world countries, or China, or India, where censorship is the norm. We can learn so much by just doing a search on our computers. We are free to source our own reliable information (if we want to). Think what it must be like in Russia – are people there getting any accurate information there at all?

Trump may be an incompetent idiot, but we all benefit from the freedom of the press. And at least some of the government people are honest and up front. Give thanks for what we’ve got.

Also, while vast numbers may get infected, most will recover with no difficulty. Remember, only a small % of people even get sick, and of those only a very small portion get sick enough to need professional care. It’s bad, but it’s not hopeless, and the kids are NOT getting sick – give thanks for that!

The real problem is that the health care system can’t cope with a big influx of Covid-19 cases all at once. It’s a traffic issue as much as anything, a systemic problem because of cutbacks and lack of planning. That can be addressed.

As the Royals say, Keep Calm and Carry On…….and watch the TED Talk, above.

I finally steeled myself to watch trumps speech. Anyone else think it looked like a hostage statement?

Sassy Grace, while I now believe Biden can and should be elected, I am still concerned about his health over what will be a highly stressful term. I commend Arbo and will for standing by him throughout and he has finally revealed himself to be the man of the hour. He was infinitely more competent and presidential than Trump today.

Interesting news from Canada:

-Justiin Trudeau is in isolation because his wife has symptoms of the virus after a trip to the UK, the country Trump exempted from his travel ban because he has property there. Trudeau’s wife’s test results will be known tomorrow;

-two small children in separate cities have tested positive. it appears it is not true children cannot have this disease, but that may be exceptional;

-Toronto’s chief medical officer says some travelers to the US are bringing the virus to Canada. There is still no community spread in Canada, but cases are increasing daily. There is no travel ban in Canada. Maybe we should close our border with the US.

That is one thing Biden said that I wonder about (I didn’t watch but read the list someone made). We can engage with other countries without doing it physically.

I will watch that Ted Talk, Beowulfie.

thanks for posting that ted talk beowulfie

I was given a bottle of this oil today. I’d never heard of it. Indigo Chakra Thieves Oil.


I have heard of it, Ja. A few friends sell the Young Living brand. How do you plan to use it? Rub it in the soles of your feet? Use it in a diffuser? Any ideas? Anyone?


Supposedly, thieves oil got its name from people who robbed graves of plague victims and managed not to get the disease.

It’s believed to kill bacteria and viruses, and I wouldn’t swear it does, but I have been using essential oils for a dozen years. They’re my first line of defense.

Right now, I put five or six drops of it in what’s left of my mouthwash, maybe 12 oz of it. I shake the mouthwash, swish a capful around really good morning and night. If I’ve been around anyone sneezing or sniffling, I also put a drop on my toothbrush and toothpaste and brush extra long. Will warn you — most aromatherapist freak out about ever ingesting the oils and might not like swishing or brushing with them. I do when I’ve been around a sick person.

You can also diffuse (with cool mist, not heat) and put it in your cleaning products to give them extra power. Be warned, quality oils are very strong. A few drops is a lot.

You can also put a few drops on your hands, rub palms together, cup hands over your nose and face and inhale deeply for several breaths. Do not get it in your eyes.

I watched President Macron’s address to the French nation this evening. I have not seen such able and confidence-building leadership anywhere since Obama left office. I give him an A plus. I wish Justin Trudeau in my country would rise to that level of statesmanship.

All schools and universities are closed in the entire country of France. Parents can choose to work part time or not at all. Macron guarantees no one will miss a paycheck, even independent workers, whatever the cost. Universal medical care is of course a great and valued asset in such times of need.

There are long lines of cars in France at the German border. German border guards are taking the temperature of everyone entering the country and refusing entry to those with a fever.

I wish they would do that here in Canada, at the border with the US and all other points of entry. There is little or no screening currently in Canada at such points, for which the federal government is much criticized. Once again, Trudeau is letting the provinces handle the probem just like governors in the US. Air China has never stopped flying to Canada; nor will Air France. Air Canada has however stopped its flights to China and to Italy.

In Italy, Rome Airport is closing. People walking the streets must state their purpose to the police. Those who ignore government directives risk 3 months in jail or even a murder charge. Italians can be effective when they improvise in a pinch.

In Italy, funeral homes are refusing to pick the bodies of people who die from the virus at home. People are trapped with their loved ones’ bodies for days.


The problem for only refusing entry to those with a fever is that many transmitters don’t have symptoms yet and they are probably coming through. I was just reading an opinion on DU stating that we need to highly invest in testing kits first and foremost as well as get people to stay home.

We just watched Bernie’s and Joe’s corona virus speeches today and they were both excellent. I have to admit, though, that Bernie is a stronger, better speaker. Their plans were similar and Bernie’s goes further, giving more details to support the needs of the vulnerable but that is a double edged sword right now. We don’t have the money to do everything, especially with the large deficit, but we can in time. In fact, some of the things Obama put in place, including enough $ in the food stamp program, would come in handy right about now. Trump & the Republicans have spent their time undoing these programs. This entire country does have to be restructured but, we have a democracy, and the people have to willingly accept much of it after it’s shown to work in a way that the Republicans cannot prevail with their negative messages about people not working who could but rather get a free ride. There are people who need those food stamps (it’s not that much) to stay healthier!

If we don’t those who have these needs, it creates a bigger healthcare burden in the long run.

It we don’t help those who have these needs, it creates a bigger healthcare burden in the long run.

Sharon K, if wealthy people in the US were taxed at the level Eisenhower taxed them (more than double), there would be no deficit in the US and the country could afford Medicare for all. It’s a matter of priorities. The US spent 12 trillion$ in Afghanistan alone since 2001.

Here in Canad, it is now confirmed Justin Trudeau’s wife has the virus after going to the UK. She’s been kissing a lot of people in the last few days.

listening to rubio blather on about how crucial supply chain failures are all china’s fault – I am astounded that there is absolutely no acknowledgment of repubs (mostly) decades long rush in allowing outsourcing by big corporations with no penalty or thought to protect future consequences for usa domestic citizenry’s wellbeing. Chickens are indeed coming home to roost.

Sharon K, I put drop in a bottle of purified water and spritz it on and around me. I love it.

Atomize It
Make your own spray!
One drop (or more )oil to one ounce spring water, in a spray bottle.

A thought popped into my head:
what if both trump & pence were to be incapacitated by covid at the same time? Nancy would be in charge as “acting” president.
Not out of the realm of possibility – the white house would need to be scrubbed and disinfected from top to bottom.

Beowulfie, perhaps astrology can lead to answers re: the COVID 19 as it relates to the US Moon. On May 27, 2009, transiting Jupiter and transiting Neptune were exactly conjunct at 26 Aquarius 28, along with transiting Chiron at 26 Aquarius 13.

All 3 transiting planets were conjunct the US natal Pallas (strategy of war) at 26 Aquarius 32 (rx) that conjuncts the US natal Moon (US people) at 27 Aquarius 10.

On Feb. 20, 2020, at 10 AM (Washington, DC) transiting Jupiter (widespread) was exacting a sextile to transiting Neptune (ignore boundaries), the last sextile of their cycle that began when they were conjunct the US natal Moon, along with transiting Chiron (learn through wounding) in 2009.

At the moment of the trans. Jupiter-Neptune sextile on February 20, transiting Moon and Saturn at 27+ Capricorn were conjunct the US natal Pluto and trans. Pluto at 24+ Cap was opposite US natal Mercury at 24+ Cancer.

Also, transiting Mars at 2+ Capricorn was trine transiting Uranus at 3+ Taurus, the degree where Chiron was when discovered. All 10 of the major planets that day were between trans. Mars and trans. Uranus, 1/3rd of the chart. This is called a Bundle pattern and it symbolizes a tightly focused purpose.

The chart’s purpose would have something to do with the Jupiter-Neptune cycle (that began when they were conjunct the US natal Moon-Pallas conjunction. . along with transiting Chiron in Aquarius). The day before the Jupiter-Neptune sextile, on Feb. 19th about 600 people were released from the Diamond Princess Cruise Ship in Japan after their quarantine for the COVID-19 testing.

Right about the time transiting Mars will conjunct transiting Pluto at 24+ Capricorn, with both of them opposing the US natal Mercury at 24+ Cancer on March 23 (10 days from now), trans. Jupiter at 23+ Cap will be quintile (72 degrees separating 2 planets) trans. Chiron at 5+ Aries, near the US natal chart’s IC (roots).

Alice Portman, astrologer, says “Quintiles describe the creative/destructive processes in human life.”

Because Chiron was with Jupiter and Neptune when they started their cycle that was conjunct the US natal Moon, I would expect to hear about some new development in the US government protocol regarding the testing of US citizens for COVID 19.

At the time of the Mars-Pluto conjunction (and the Jupiter-Chiron quintile) on March 23, the Sun (symbol of consciousness) at 3+ Aries (near the US natal chart IC) will T-square the transiting nodes, and the North Node (path forward) will be conjunct the US natal Venus (US values) at 3+ Cancer. Baby steps.

Teresa Hill,

for your perusal re: Thieves oil, other essential oils.


from my phone
“what if both trump & pence were to be incapacitated by covid at the same time? Nancy would be in charge as “acting” president.”

Interesting thought. I wonder if Fundamentalist R’s might later interpret it as an act of God if either or both Mr. Pence & Mr. Trump died in office from covid-19.

Equally plausible is the possibility either or both Mr. Biden & Mr. Sanders were to be infected and/or actually die before the election.

Mr. Pence is 60. Mr. Trump is 73. Joe Biden is 77, & Bernie is presently 78. All should be considered vulnerable.

God forbid it happen to any of them. But it would be supremely ironic were the orange fellow who dismissed the Obama established pandemic team to actually die from a pandemic disease.

“Seems Psychic Sylvia Browne wrote about “pneumonia like flu epidemic around 2020″ — She wrote it in a book End Of Days published in 2008- Make of that, what you will.”


“According to Sylvia Browne’s book, ‘The End of Days’, this will also happen in 2020.
Is Donald Trump the last president of USA?
#TrumpVirus #FridayThoughts”


“Stranger than fiction: The 1981 novel by author Dean Koontz, “The Eyes of Darkness,” contains a prescient account of what some say is unfolding now — a Chinese biological weapon from Wuhan”


“This info is from my friend that works for CDC that passed this along to his family and friends. I’m passing it along as well..

The new NCP coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days, how can one know if he/she is infected. By the time they have fever and/or cough and goes to the hospital, the lungs is usually 50 % Fibrosis and it’s too late!

Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning:

Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stuffiness or tightness, etc.,it proves there is no fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicating no infection.

In critical times, please self-check every morning in an environment with clean air.

SERIOUS EXCELLENT ADVICE by Japanese Doctors treating COVID-19 cases:

Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat is moist, never DRY. Take a few sips of water every 15 mins at least. WHY?

Even if the virus gets into your mouth…drinking water or other liquids will WASH them down through your esophagus into the stomach. Once there in tummy…your stomach ACID will kill all the virus. If you don’t drink enough water more regularly….the virus can enter your windpipes and into the LUNGS. That’s very dangerous.

Pls send and share with family, friends and everyone.”

Titus & Renee’ Pea

Thanks for all the great tips on staying healthy and checking for the virus. I will pass these along.

Barbk had mentioned the Uranus/Venus midpoint transit on Joe Biden’s Ascendant at the time of the South Carolina primaries as a sign of that swift push to the top that seemingly happened overnight.
Uranus was at 3 Taurus, that special Chiron degree. It is included in her analysis above for the COVID-19 unfolding story.
Uranus is now moving away from that point, and won’t be back for about 84 years (although there are squares and oppositions, etc. in between).
She also talks about the US Moon position at 27 Aq. Over the last week that retrograde Mercury was hovering near that point, giving a very slow start to the COVID-19 response, and it is now moving direct, still slowly, but at least moving. So perhaps the response picks up from here.
I wonder with Uranus moving so quickly right now, relatively, and Mercury picking up speed, if we get past this crisis in just a few months.
That might be wishful thinking.

Thank you Will.

Hear are similar guidelines from Standford Medical Center that Angellight posted.

1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold
2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.
3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.
4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.
5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours – so if you come into contact with any metal surface – wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap.
6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill it.
7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice.
8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but – a lot can happen during that time – you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.
9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice.
10. Can’t emphasis enough – drink plenty of water! THE SYMPTOMS 1. It will first infect the throat, so you’ll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days 2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further. 3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing. 4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you’re drowning. It’s imperative you then seek immediate attention.

Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don’t drink enough water more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That’s very dangerous. Please send and share this with family and friends. Take care everyone and may the world recover from this Coronavirus soon.
The new Coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days. How can one know if he/she is infected? By the time they have fever and/or cough and go to the hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it’s too late (Fibrosis is not reversible). Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning. Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection. In critical times, please self-check every morning

A very disturbing opinion piece by Susan Rice:

“Mr. Trump just announced a counterproductive and ineffectual suspension of travel from much of Europe. By refusing to consult or even warn our closest allies, the United States alienated partners whose cooperation we always need to confront global challenges, including the coronavirus. Moreover, the virus is already prevalent across the United States, and its magnitude will only grow. Mr. Trump’s arbitrary travel ban on Europeans, which inexplicably excludes Britain and Ireland, is rife with as many holes as Swiss cheese. Merely another feckless, if costly, way of blaming foreigners for our own problems, it does nothing to address the crisis already in our midst.”


Some of us wrote back in December that there could be something worse than impeachment soon since the Saturn-Pluto conjunction in Capricorn square Eris meant that all political systems on the planet could be in chaos. I wrote a few weeks ago that the current Mars transit in Capricorn to the end of this month would bring home the meaning of that conjunction. I also wrote the Mars transit would be ambivalent: it would heighten the crisis in government but raise hopes for solutions. This of course was when Biden emerged as the likely next President.

These trends will intensify over the next two weeks as Mars conjuncts Jupiter, Pluto and Saturn.
The picture should be more grim as these aspects near. We should see the worse in government failures and human tragedies, and wish the election were tomorrow as a better alternative now is evident.

April 4 will see the first of three Jupiter-Pluto conjunctions this year. For Biden, this should once again be clearly favorable to him since his Sun is in Scorpio, ruled by Pluto, and his Ascendant is Sagittarius, ruled by Jupiter. He should take a commanding lead in national polls over Trump at this time.

Mars in Capricorn is bringing the message home with its conjunctions. The prolonged period of Mars in Aries from around July 1 to December 31 will be when the government crisis will be most acute. Mars in Aries will square Jupiter, Pluto and Saturn two or three times each.

Trump may try to assume dictatorial powers under cover of the coronavirus during that transit.


I wish i really do. If this one tiny virus from China named after a Mexican beer could take down this monster it would be divine providence indeed

Calls MUST grow for Trump to be held accountable for his part in the government’s failure to be able to effectively respond to this crisis. The buck stops with him. Not Pence. Not his children, or anyone else. Damn his ego and his lies.

McConnell bears a heaping load of this responsibility also. He enabled and protected this fool. Both must be called on the carpet.

Lets all send prayers for strength to the health workers worldwide, working painstakingly hard on the front lines.

Something positive.

The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was asked at a congressional hearing on Thursday who was in charge of making sure that people can be tested for Covid-19, especially health care workers.

Was it he, the vice president or someone else?

Dr. Robert Redfield, the C.D.C. director, replied that his responsibility was only to ensure that state public health laboratories have access to the test. Pressed further, he said he would look into who was in charge.

If he didn’t know, that’s a problem. On Friday morning, President Trump took a belated but welcome step by designating Brett Giroir, the assistant secretary of health, to be responsible for the government’s testing response.

There’s no reason the testing infrastructure can’t be up and running in seven days so that every person in America who needs a test can be tested. The president should demand it.



These guidelines and tips are not completely accurate!

Thanks, Teresa & Ja, for letting me know what to do with Thieves Oil and thanks, Will, for the fda information on them. I have always used natural therapies and preventatives but, in a serious situation, would go the medical route, or do a combination, with the emphasis on medical advice.

In LA today, they postponed the April 4 presidential primary for 2 months.


That bit about holding your breath for over 10 seconds and drinking a lot of water? According to this, maybe not the best advice.

I heard part of Trump’s declaration of emergency driving this afternoon. I think it began around 4:15pm. This does great things in terms of FEMA funding that can go to all the States for emergency response. A lot of people wanted him to do it.
Here are the transits to the US Sibley chart:
transiting North Node was at 4 degrees Cancer, at the midpoint of Jupiter and Venus in the US Chart. Chiron was transiting square that point at 4 Aries, and Uranus transited sextile at 4 Taurus. Jupiter/Venus is in the 8th house, so big money, and quick action with Uranus, and urgent help with Chiron square. Chiron is in the 4th very near the IC of the US chart. Pluto is transiting opposite US Mercury, so this is possibly a transformative statement. BML is at 5 Aries, square US Jupiter, so there could be a lot of negative emotions tied to this, maybe because it took so long, but also because of the seriousness of the problem. Transiting Jupiter at 21 Cap and Moon at 21 Scorpio have a midpoint at 21 Sag/21 Gemini which is US Mars, so action and emotion is pronounced and possibly angry, but focused. The Jupiter at 21 Cap is very close to a square with US Juno and Chiron at 20 Libra and Aries, so relief for this major health problem. I’m sure there’s more to see.


Joe Rogan interview with CDC expert. “My job isn’t to scare you out of your wits, but to scare you into your wits. ”

15 minutes long, very worth it.

From the beginning I had the feeling that the whole fed response thing was being slow-walked in order for the big corp profiteers to position themselves –
Easy access to taxpayer dollars. I wonder if there are any price controls in place with this $$$ release?

Interesting thoughts on Saturn in Aquarius by Wolfstar today:


Saturn in Aquarius square Uranus in Taurus was always going to bring an economic crisis. That square will return with greater force next year. Marjorie Orr sees in the charts of various British and European banks that the financial crisis could last until mid-decade but that the banks themselves will not be as threatened as they were in 2008.


I had to laugh out loud when I saw Trump giving handshakes to CEOs after his announcement. Half of them twisted away to avoid him and the other half were dumb enough to touch the hands of a probable carrier. Justin Trudeau is also stupid; he refuses to be tested even if his wife has tested positive. We have a woeful lack of leadership in North America.

Trump could not escape telling a blatant lie. He claims his decision to ban travel early from China saved lives. Canada has no such travel ban. Compulsory quarantine was put in place just today for travelers from Hubei province, Italy and Iran. We have a single death from the virus so far in Canada. Also, Trump never stopped shipping from China.

thanks chiro for posting the short version of the joe rogan interview!!
Posting again here the link to the full interview that I posted a few days ago.
(1.5hr) – international expert in infectious disease epidemiology, michael osterholm, discussing the whole big picture of covid19 and others, and how to mitigate future, as yet unknown, viruses.
A must watch, imo

A doctor on the front line in Italy speaks out:


Kiwi, thanks for the whole thing. I didn’t realize I was kind of double posting. When I saw 15 million views in 3 days, I thought maybe it would be pretty good.

I mentioned a day or two ago that the Vertex for Trump is at 22 Capricorn. It’s time dependent, so this assumes that his Ascendant is really 29 Leo conjunct fixed star Regulus.

Taken from the Latin – vertere, meaning ‘to turn. ‘ ” In the horoscopic chart, the astrological Vertex is calculated as being the point located at the intersection of the Ecliptic (path of the Sun) and the Prime Vertical, a plane that divides the celestial sphere into front and back.

It has traditionally been associated with fated meetings. If Jupiter transits your Vertex, you could meet a person who helps you be more optimistic, have higher ideals, or be more expansive or generous. More negatively, the transit could create greater egotism, and greed.

The results will be interesting to watch. I think Bob listed the dates that Jupiter would be at 22 degrees above.

Andrew Yang’s Sun is at 22 Cap. Similar possibilities, although more confidence is likely too.

dr whimsey today had some interestiing tips and commentary – if you dont want to watch the whole thing view from around 2.40 to about 45.0


I know. No FDA studies or anything like that. I still use and trust my oils and hardly ever get sick. I use them first, and if I have something they can’t handle, I go to a doctor.


I read that we’re probably looking at about two months before cases peak, depending on how well we do with social distancing. Then likely a reappearance of the virus in September and into the winter.

Also don’t see how Trump could escape without getting it. So many people he’s been around have been exposed to it or gotten it. Also seems like he’s in such poor shape, he’d either be very ill or die from it.

Did you see him initiating handshakes with all those people he brought to the press conference, and them feeling forced to shake his hand?

Someone watched the video and counted him touching the microphone 30-plus times. He was all over it. He could take down the CEOs of Walmart, Target and Walgreens all at once between the mike and his own hands.

For those who are worried that Trump could suspend/postpone the election, someone has tweeted that only Congress can set a new date for the election and that Trump/Pence end their term of office on the last day of Dec. 2020, with the Speaker of the House assuming the presidency if a new one hasn’t been elected.


Sorry, their term would end at noon on 1/20/21 – I hadn’t read that part carefully.


“If this one tiny virus from China named after a Mexican beer could take down this monster it would be divine providence indeed”

Wicked good!

from my phone
“If this one tiny virus from China named after a Mexican beer could take down this monster it would be divine providence indeed.”

LOL! A virus from China named after a Mexican beer! Dark humor at it’s best.

Unfortunately, the scenario someone suggested up thread that Pence & the Donald could succumb to this disease is entirely plausible, especially considering neither one has taken proper hygienic precautions.

As much as I would love to see Nancy Pelosi as president, I don’t want 45 or the VP to die in office. DT’s presence in the White House is the best motivator to get Dems & Independents to turn out & vote!

Furthermore, I want to see DT, the VP, M. McConnell, et. al. live to suffer the consequences they deserve for their criminal misdeeds. We can’t just let them go, as we did Nixon. They need to be held accountable in order to prevent such abuses of power in the future.

The rule of law must prevail. If this disease robs them of all credibility, even with their supporters, therefore leading to an overwhelming political rout like in 1932, all the better. If it kills them, there will be all sorts of conspiracy theories, and our politics will be that much more unpredictable.

The basic narrative we’re receiving from the media is, ” Many of you are going to die, perhaps in the millions, but we don’t know which ones.”

Here in WA state, we are seeing a lot of panic. But why are so many hoarding toilet paper? You’d think people would buy extra soap or towels. Perhaps the toilet paper hoarding is an unconscious way of saying, “Oh S**t!”

Chiro and kiwi,

Bravo/Brava for posting the Michael Osterholm interview!


Eliseo, if you are anxious, I recommend you watch dr whimsey, link posted above.

Hey Kiwi,
I’m not particularly anxious. I’m just watching everyone’s reactions to this crisis in my unending quest to understand human nature. As rationally as possible I’m assessing the odds for myself and loved ones, and making what I think are prudent preparations. No need to go crazy.

But I’ll watch whimsey anyway. I really like her intelligence as she combines it with her sharpened intuition.

wow – our pm just announced Everyone entering country by air must undergo 2wk isolation. Cruise ships banned.

Here are the Republicans who voted no on the #coronavirus bill #HR6201


“The Corona Virus is now bringing into sharp focus the fact that when we touch one strand of the Web of Life that the entire Web vibrates. We must be more mindful of our actions, not just with regards to infectious diseases and how they spread, but also in terms of caretaking the Web of Life itself. We are being reminded with great urgency that what we do is not in isolation; and that the effects of what we do reverberates outwards throughout the Web of Life. We are being called to step back into our role as custodians of the Earth and to take responsibility for the broader impact of our actions on the entire Web of Life.”


“An article today in The Atlantic, written by lifelong Republican Peter Wehner, who worked in three GOP administrations, summed up what some of this craziness means. The title is over-the-top (authors do not write the titles of their articles), but it reads “The Trump Presidency Is Over.” Wehner does not mean this literally, of course; he is arguing that the pandemic crisis has finally forced Americans to grapple with the fact that Trump is unfit to be president. They have, Wehner says, “seen the con man behind the curtain.” Having recognized that he is worse than useless, he says, they are “treating him as a bystander.” Other community leaders are stepping into the place he should have occupied: governors and businessmen and university presidents and sports commissioners. The Trump presidency, he says, is effectively over, although the president, “enraged for having been unmasked, will become more desperate, more embittered, more unhinged.” The piece captures the feeling of this week remarkably well, well enough that lawyer and leader of the anti-Trump Lincoln Project, George Conway, tweeted that the article is a must-read.”

Heather Cox Richardson


Jesse Lehrich @JesseLehrich

“@SpeakerPelosi’s bill will pass the House tonight & Trump is ready to sign it –– but Mitch McConnell skipped town to go to a ceremony for Brett Kavanaugh, so the Senate can’t take it up until Monday.

confirmed #COVID19 cases have been doubling every 2-3 days.”



Sat Mar 14, 2020, 08:56 AM

NL: Dutch Researchers First To Find COVID-19 Antibodies: Report


‘On a Saturday Night in Florida, a Presidential Party Became a Coronavirus Hot Zone’

A weekend getaway at Mar-a-Lago put the president in contact with several people who later tested positive for the virus. He said he has no symptoms.

“It was a lavish, festive, carefree evening at Mar-a-Lago a week ago Saturday in what in hindsight now seems like a last hurrah for the end of one era and the beginning of another. In the days since then, the presidential estate in Florida has become something of a coronavirus hot zone. At least four Mar-a-Lago guests from last weekend have said they are infected and others have put themselves into quarantine.”


Eliseo, hoarding of toilet paper is occurring in Canada as well. I am not a trained psychologist, but to me this is the herd mentality’s mass regression to the anal phase. They should give out diapers for everyone soon. We now know what many people’s priority is in a time of crisis.

How Much Worse the
Coronavirus Could Get, in Charts
By Nicholas Kristof and Stuart A. Thompson


Trump got tested, says results will come in a day or two!

I too find it strange. You’d think people would stock up on food, water, soap, and disinfectant. Also, I think a month to two months supplies would be plenty. Not six months. People are crazy everywhere.

Back in the early 70s in Hawaii there was a very prolonged shipping strike. At that time all commercial goods came by boat, resulting in shortages, particularly for bulk items. After that, whenever strikes happened, the first things to be sold out were rice and toilet paper. I wonder if that’s when the toilet paper thing started?

This is not very positive but hold on and stock up safely on food and medicine in case it’s true.

Andy Slavitt warns hospitals will be overrun in 8 days and that there are 500,000 cases not 2500.



Ja, “in a day or two”, well in 5 days actually, the remarkable Spring Equinox takes place (March 19 at 11:49 PM, in DC), followed by the Mars-Jupiter conjunction (March 20 at 3:20 AM, in DC) and in both charts Uranus at 4+ Taurus will trine Pholus + the South Node (what worked in the past no longer works now) at 4+ Capricorn. Pholus is about something that starts as a small incident then blows up into a big brouhaha.

4+ Capricorn is also where the December 26, 2019 Solar Eclipse took place. December, 2019, is when the coronavirus epidemic started in China.

In the December Solar Eclipse chart Pluto in Capricorn was sextile Mars in Scorpio and their sextile, when joined by Trump’s natal Sun in Gemini, would force Trump’s Gemini Sun to make adjustments.

In the charts for the Spring Equinox and the Mars-Jupiter conjunction, Neptune in Pisces sextiles Venus in Taurus and their sextile forms a Yod with Juno in Libra, which conjuncts the US progressed Mars and Trump’s natal Jupiter.

It means US prog. Mars and Trump’s Jupiter and transiting Juno are forced to adjust to an uncomfortable situation symbolized by the Neptune (intangible) sextile Venus (values).

(Also of note, trans. Mars-Jupiter in Cap will trine US Neptune in Virgo [service] that squares Trump’s Sun and US Mars in Gemini)

I think this is about hospital beds and virus testing and toilet paper, among other things.

Barbk, Sally McDonald told me many years ago that she used the first corporation chart (east india company) to indicate big business. Id be very interested in your, or any other experts, opinion regarding future in time, especially as it relates to the current (flawed) accepted ‘standard business model’
East India company (e), 31 Dec. 1600 at 12:00 , London, ENG (UK)

interesting perspective – life in lockdown wuhan

My husband and I took drive today in our area of San Diego just outside of the downtown region. It is very quiet except for the fact that 20 and 30 year old’s are out not seeming to take the virus seriously. I know they must think they are impervious. I actually have never known it to be so quiet here.

Barbk, I created a Dec 26 2019 solar eclipse chart in Washington DC in order to follow your post above, and the Moon/Sun at 4 Cap are conjunct the IC of the chart. Jupiter in that chart is 5 Cap exactly opposite US Jupiter The chart of the Declaration of Emergency from yesterday (4:15pm March 13th Washington DC) starts to seem so important when I compare it to this Solar Eclipse chart, which has Asc at 4 Libra/Desc. at 4 Aries, and MC at 4 Cancer. I just thought you might want to look at that, because the midpoint of Moon and Jupiter on US Mars in that chart also mirrors or points out, at least, that midpoint of the Pluto/Mars sextile you mention above. I hadn’t realized that Trump’s Sun at 22 Gemini is right next to US Mars at 21 Gemini. (His Moon is at 21 Sag).
The Pholus now at 4 Cap also hits many things that are 4 degrees in yesterday’s chart: Chiron at 4 Aries on the Descendant of the eclipse chart, North Node at 4 Cancer in the Declaration chart matches the MC of the eclipse chart. It’s really something to see.

I guess I should mention that the solar eclipse in Washington DC took place at 12 minutes after midnight on Dec 26 2019.

People without symptoms could be driving the spread of the virus:


The President of France’s College of Physicians said on French national news this evening that essential oils can only relieve symptpms of the virus; they cannot fight it.

More infected young people are being admitted to hospital in Italy. They wait too long and their cases are more complicated. 12% of cases are under 50:


This is what you get when you have a government bent on self-destruction:


drs are anxious to study a UK newborn diagnosed with covid19 to see if they can determine whether it was contracted in-utero or during birth, as well as monitoring disease progression. mother was admitted several days before birth with ‘pneumonia’

I like this NY times opinion headline
“trump meets nemesis, punisher of hubris”

In ancient Greek religion, Nemesis, is the goddess who enacts retribution against those who succumb to hubris (arrogance before the gods).

Andre, thank you for the link on the asymptomatic spread of the Covid 19 virus.

Biden moves left and endorses Warren’s bankruptcy plan:


Smart move.


Dr. Whimsey’s readings were superb – thank you for posting; a natural, wise, Jewish Buddhist – so doing what she is supposed to be doing, yeah?

Oh my gosh Chiro, your Declaration of Emergency chart (yesterday) has the North Node (4+ Cancer) opposite the South Node (4+ Cap) which conjuncts the December 1019 Solar Eclipse (Sun/Moon) at 4+ Cap, . . . .

. . . which was conjunct “widespread” Jupiter (5+ Cap) in that Eclipse chart which opposed US natal Jupiter at 5+ Cancer (which was the MC [outcome] degree of the December Solar Eclipse when set in Washington DC) which was conjunct yesterday’s NN at 4+ Cancer (which was sextile trans. Uranus at 4+ Taurus***). Whew.

Brilliant find on your part my friend. The “Declaration” chart’s Moon (21+ Scorpio) sextile its Jupiter (21+Capricorn) forming a Yod with the US Mars (21+ Gemini) and Trump’s Sun (22+ Gemini) . . just like the sextile between Mars in Scorpio and Pluto in Capricorn in the 2019 Solar Eclipse chart did . . is the icing on the cake.

There will be a lot of squirming and adjusting (by Trump and US) in the coming days; at least through the Spring Equinox period (March 19 – June 20) and maybe even the Mars-Jupiter cycle (through May, 2022).

I am delighted by your perseverance!!

*** The Lunar Eclipse on January 10, 2020, had Mars at 4+ Sagittarius which yesterday’s sextile of the North Node at 4+ Cancer and Uranus at 4+ Taurus turns into a Yod w/Lunar Eclipse Mars at apex.

that was the Lunar Eclipse at 20+ Cancer that opposed the Sun at 20+ Capricorn that formed a grand cross with the US Chiron at 20+ Aries opposite the US natal Juno (which is the process of a triple conjunction Return) at 20+ Libra. 🙂


kiwi, I want to check out that chart when I get a chance. Thank you very much for the info.

kiwi, transiting Nemesis in Virgo is square Trump’s Uranus in Gemini right now.

We finally started testing more people.

2951 early Sunday morning.

Chris Hayes said on Twitter that city government officials are talking about need to shut down NYC. Not sure if that would be keeping people from traveling in and out or closing down businesses or what, but people are out carrying on as usual.

Huge messes at airports in US with international passengers supposed to undergo additional screening to see if they’re sick. Typical Trump half-assed effort with huge backups, people crowded in together, waits of eight or ten hours. A recipe for virus spreading.

from my phone
RE: “Biden moves left and endorses Warren’s bankruptcy plan”

As I predicted, Biden will gradually move further and further Left. He’s a pragmatist. Present as well as future circumstances and events, plus new technologies soon to be manifest will move our entire society Leftward. IMHO, that’s both good and bad, but more good than bad.

ALL, and I do mean every single one of my intellectual colleagues agree the smart move for Biden will be to select Elizabeth Warren as his VP. I’m waiting to see if he really will do it, and if not what his calculation will be.

She would also be extremely useful as Dem Senate majority leader to push through the legislation for which she has such extraordinary expertise. I think she would be more useful as VP, or lead senator than as a member of the cabinet.

I see good ole Bernie as our Left leading Barry Goldwater. BG never became president, but his conservative ideas influenced and led R’s for several decades. Bernie’s brilliant but sometimes naive ideas will in more mature form inspire and influence generations to come. He’s almost done with his divine mission.

from my phone
RE: the Atlantic op-ed.
“For decades, the Republican Party has committed itself to destroying state capacity, disparaging science, punishing expertise, and masquerading as populist while enriching narrow interests. It has all led to this: an undetected pandemic spreading, likely exponentially, as the president and his representatives mock the disease and oversee a state apparatus too incompetent to test for it.”

I seriously expect the most famous fatality from the coronavirus pandemic will probably be the Republican party, or at least the fanatically anti-government philosophy that has guided it for the last several decades.

R’s moved from a reasonable committment to insuring government be unobtrusive to the desire to “drown it in a bathtub,” or at least drown the parts they did not like. They confused and deluded themselves. A philosophy that says smaller government is best, is not the same as all government is bad anarchism. Ironically, they narcissistically
seduced themselves under that philosophy into incompetent authoritarianism.

I don’t think they have much time left. By 2030, if not far, far sooner, they’ll be gone.

from my phone
Addendum to my 3:45 am posting
2nd paragraph
…”IMHO, that’s both good and bad, but more good than bad.” Dems are very bad about confusing proximate with ultimate causes, and have great difficulty with multi-causality.

Biden moving left is what I would have expected. Isnt that what good, competent, elected reps are supposed to do in a true democracy – listen to their constituents, advocate for majority opinions, and skillfully manage implementation?

from my phone
Yep! And he will gradually continue Leftward because he is a centrist, and the center itself is moving Left.

Trump says he was tested for coronavirus after his doctor said he wasn’t!

The White House story has changed in just 12 hours. At a press conference on Saturday, Donald Trump announced that he had been tested for coronavirus.

“I also took the test last night,” he said. “I decided I should, based on the press conference yesterday. People were asking, did I take the test.”

But that isn’t what Trump’s doctor said in a letter released by the White House just before midnight Friday.”


Thanks, Barbk. It looks like a whirlwind around all things corona virus in Washington DC and probably the nation for the near future.

I wanted to talk about the good aspects to Bernie’s chart for tonight’s Dem debate at 8pm on CNN. It really shows that Bernie has a lot of believers and very invested advocates, and that it’s super important to reach out to bridge the divide between Bernie and Biden, if that’s possible.

Tonight’s debate chart at 8pm in Washington DC has Jupiter at 22 Cap trine Bernie’s North Node at 22 Virgo. He will be addressing his people”s concerns, and there are a lot of his people, and they have deep concerns. If they aren’t won over, and they skip voting in November, Dems lose.
To emphasize the emotion involved, Jupiter is at a midpoint between Pallas (strategies and plans) and Pluto (power and depth), so this isn’t about numbers of supporters, as much as their adherence to certain beliefs in the policies that Bernie brings to the table, and they support these things with intensity and conviction. It is that conviction that can’t be undone, so it has to be acknowledged, and there has to be some attempt to address it.
Bernie’s own Jupiter is at 19 Gemini, so all the things we said about the eclipse at 19 Virgo is square that point. Jupiter is in his 10th house, and his beliefs (you can’t really call them policies because he’s believed in them for 40 years) are what attracts his many supporters. That eclipse exaggerates (squares) his Jupiter, so it just makes him that much more of an icon, and at this point, a maligned figure to those who see the DNC as ignoring the people who feel the Bern.
As Van Jones said on CNN this is a dangerous moment for the DNC and the Democratic party.
I’ve mentioned that Eris is sitting on Bernie’s Mars. That’s been true for many months. It attracts the people who want disruption, because he wants disruption. It alienates those who don’t (a big majority at this point). Its impossible to compromise on this, so it makes it very hard to reach the true revolutionaries, but it is possible to understand why they want it, when no one is addressing the nonexistent futures being provided to the younger generations–no planet! never mind no good jobs, despite huge college debt. Biden needs to again acknowledge these valid concerns.
And last but not least, his Neptune at 26 Virgo is well supported by several transits. The Pluto/Saturn midpoint is 26 Cap, trine that point. I see Pluto/Saturn as intense hard work, and he has worked hard to create a dream for people that they believe in, and they want to work hard to see it come to fruition. Bernie will be asking Biden how he is going to make these dreams come true, and Biden can’t just say something glib like I want everybody to come together. He has to explain how he will work on getting these things to happen to the extent he can. Astraea is at 25 Cancer, also trine Bernie’s Neptune, and Astraea is never letting go. Persistence pays, as they say, and Bernie’s persistence isn’t subsiding,and I guess that’s one thing that has moved everybody including Biden to the left. Bernie has to say he isn’t going away, but Biden has to support him where he can. And the last transit is Sedna is at 27 Taurus, and I admit ignorance. What I’ve read is that in people’s charts this manifests as either becoming a victim or resisting victimization. With the trine, I would guess that Bernie will be resisting the idea of giving up. I think and hope he will speak eloquently tonight on behalf of his many supporters, and that Biden does his best to reach out.

Trump considering ‘full pardon’ of former national security advisor Michael Flynn


I’ll bet that tonight’s debate will be the most watched in history.
‘Biden vs. Sanders, Issue by Issue
Sunday’s debate will be the first one-on-one matchup between Joseph R. Biden Jr. and Bernie Sanders.’

“Former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont will debate one on one for the first time on Sunday, and Mr. Sanders, who is staying in the Democratic primary race despite a series of defeats, has already telegraphed his strategy.

“Joe, what are you going to do?” Mr. Sanders repeatedly asked at a news conference last week, ticking off a laundry list of issues he plans to press Mr. Biden on, including health care, student debt, climate change, mass incarceration, immigration and wealth inequality.”


Chiro, thanks for pointing all of this out. Biden is already showing willingness to move in this direction and I hope it comes out tonight as he has to both distinguish himself and do it in a way that shows openness to Bernie and Elizabeth’s ideas and not come across as anger or defensiveness. I think he can pull it off. Have you checked his planetary situation for tonight’s debate?

I found this to be a very helpful video.

Adam Schiff discusses Coronavirus with Public Health Expert Dr. Rebecca Katz


Here in Quebec, our provincial government tells us the worldwide fatality rate is 0.6% for ages 30 to 40. It rises to 3.5% for ages 60 to 70 and 14% for 80-years and up.

The good news is the world wide recovery is 98% overall and still 86% for 80-year-olds. But about 20% of people infected need hospital care and 5% are critically ill.

Chiro, you amaze me; I believe you go after astro charts with more zeal than I do and that’s a bunch of zeal! One thing to keep in mind is that Bernie’s North Node at 22+ Virgo is conjunct the US natal Neptune, and his followers pick up on that US Neptune energy; it can make you kinda crazy, you know?

So think of transiting Jupiter at 21-22 Capricorn more as trine the US natal Neptune and think of Bernie’s North Node as the conduit for that energy.
Somebody’s gotta do it! He’s here for a reason and it isn’t totally personal. This is all playing out as it should, IMO.

I say that because all the activity at 22+ Capricorn (Saturn-Pluto conjunction, etc. etc.) not only trines the US Neptune + Bernie’s NN) in Virgo, it trines the soon to expire Jupiter-Saturn cycle that began at 22+ Taurus. This country, the United States, is caught up in a grand Earth (signs) trine that is overwhelming if you try to stop it. The best any of can do is to ride it out and learn from it.

I believe that is the energy driving the coronavirus thing. The repeated transits/conjunctions of planets going over 22+ Capricorn is driving a message home; a message that was explicit in the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction chart.

Jupiter-Saturn cycles (each 20 years long) are symbolic of processes that societies and governments will go through in those 20 year cycles, and the one we are in (that ends in December, 2020) had Uranus (20+ Aquarius) square Jupiter-Saturn at 22+ Taurus. US progressed Mercury is at 20+ Aquarius.

That says shocking disruptions (Uranus) to societies and their governments (Jupiter+Saturn) will take place from 2000 through 2020.

Then, for the grand finale you throw in the Saturn-Pluto cycle et al, in Capricorn and (for the US) a natal Neptune in Virgo to complete a grand trine and you have revolutionary tendencies that are the expression of transformation, or put another way the Evolution of Mankind and the planet Earth.

Bernie’s Jupiter (19+ Gemini) does indeed square the March 9th Full Moon at 19+ Virgo that opposes the March 9th Sun at 19+ Pisces that conjuncts transiting Neptune at 18+ Pisces. I would have missed that T-square Chiro, thank you very much.

That Full Moon of course conjuncts Joe’s natal chart’s MC (his reputation) at 19+ Virgo and the Sun+Neptune in Pisces opposite the Full Moon sits on his IC (his roots, basic needs, what he protects). It stands to reason that Bernie’s Jupiter (19+ Gemini) which will T-square (irritate) Joe’s MC (19+ Virgo) and IC (19+ Pisces) will be pushing him into action, fulfilling the March 9th Full Moon strategy.

But, as you noted, tonight’s chart has Pallas (the strategist) at 19-20 Capricorn (conjunct Jupiter) and I would note she also is trine the US natal Vesta at 19+ Taurus. Vesta is what gives us focus and in the financial world she symbolizes what is invested in. I suspect that the debate will have a lot of strategizing about what the people in our country are focused on, which includes the fear of COVID-19 and how it is affecting their lives, don’t you?

I believe these two old gray-haired white men will demonstrate how the world is changing in tonight’s debate and that we will be one step closer to attaining greater consciousness, so desperately needed to get us all through the present zeitgeist. Hope everyone will be watching it.

The British government expects the coronavirus crisis to last a year and says 80% of the British population could be infected:


Trump will use the health crisis as cover to pardon his criminal friends:


Bernie Bros say we should expect a massive exodus from the Democratic Party because they will never vote for Biden even if it means handing Trump a second term:


You understand the big cycles and their purpose in a really unique way, Barbk. It’s always enlightening. It makes so much sense that we’ll be hearing about the many implications of the corona virus tonight, and it is very unpredictable that it will be through the instruments of two old silver-haired white guys. I hope people watch. It’s an important moment. I also hope they do well and teach us all something about eloquence and civility and really wanting to help despite having different strategies.

If that is true (about Bernie Bros, Andre), then I will hold it against Bernie for hanging on and trying to win — through the convention if need be. It will be on him. If he loved American, he would exit the race at the right time and he will not go all out to destroy Biden tonight.

By the way, I guess some of you may have heard that the Feds just slashed the interest rate to 0 (!) If you can, I guess it’s a good time to refinance but you have to be able to afford closing costs. That’s all I know about it.

Watching Pence brief the country right now. He is looking organized and in charge (Trump was on before him and did not do too badly but he is not an articulate person and Pence is more so). I say this for no other reason than the fact that this may be enough for them to fool the public into thinking the administration is having a good response.

It is possible we are all going through some birth pains as we begin to shed old, outdated, outworn ways and enter into a more holistic way of life and living and seeing each other.

Each of us in our own ways, all over the world, are praying, meditating, invoking God, invoking Holy Spirit as we face this crisis together. And in this mass prayer and invocation, God, Holy Sprit will surely hear our cries and will answer.

How American airports spread the virus: at Dulles, hundreds of people in line for hours with many coughing, sneezing and looking unwell:


“We are now in a period of tremendous spiritual potency and of opportunity to all upon the probationary path and the path of discipleship. It is the hour wherein a clarion call goes forth to man to be of good cheer and of goodwill, for deliverance is on the way. But it is also the hour of danger and of menace for the unwary and the unready, for the ambitious, the ignorant, and for those who selfishly seek the Way and who refuse to tread the path of service with pure motive. Lest this widespread upheaval and consequent disaster to so many should seem to you unfair, let me remind you that this one life is but a second of time in the larger and wider existence of the soul, and that those who fail and are disrupted by the impact of the powerful forces now flooding our earth will nevertheless have their vibration “stepped up” to better things along with the mass of those who achieve, even if their physical vehicles are destroyed in the process. The destruction of the body is not the worst disaster that can overcome a man.”


Do we conclude that the biggest expression of Saturn conjunct Pluto was the corona virus? Structures in the whole world are showing to be weak and vulnerable to this wave of illness.
I’m in Holland; schools, cafés and restaurants are closed from this weekend on for the next two, three weeks; all of a sudden that which we thought was certain, is totally uncertain. This is a very strange situation. We can only hope the best and that it passes fast.
Half of the patients on IC in the epicenter here, are younger than 50, a doctor said.
I thought the S-P conjunction was a war, as I wrote earlier. But this is so much engulfing the world; this is got to be ‘it’.
Let’s just hope Africa will get spared.
I wish us all good luck.
Jupiter is coming to Pluto April 5th.

Andre – NY post is a famous right wing rag – owned by Murdoch’s newscorp. Your 4.39 linked article sounds to me like their divide and conquer strategy is beginning to kick into high gear. IMO all articles from them should be examined thoroughly for spin/misinformation.
Jon Levine, the writer, quotes this opinion from the Gravel Institute, created for/by alaskan senator (69-71) Gravel, who now aligns with libertarian party & views.

PS Andre – the article mentions “Sam Finkelstein, a law student at Seton Hall University and ferocious Twitter Bernie Bro told The Post”

Sam Finkelstein’s twitter account has been suspended for violations.

I think that about spells it out . . . . .. .

Ja, Re your March 12 post, “I was given a bottle of this oil today. I’d never heard of it. Indigo Chakra Thieves Oil. https://indigochakra.com/IndigoChakraThievesOil.html

I attempted to purchase it and they told me I paid the pick-up rate, then sent me an email telling me they would refund the pay pal payment so I can re-buy it at the mail order rate. I rec’d several emails and they appear a bit weird to me – almost like spam. One was sent twice and all are signed “Love, Jenny”. To your knowledge, is this legit?


Chiro, Did you watch the debate that is just ended right now? I don’t see any signs of cognitive delay (glad to say). They are both great but I think Joe will be the more successful candidate. All things equal, they have their respective strengths and weaknesses and I hope and pray whomever is our candidate will beat Trump.

Yes. They are very legit. I am really enjoying my product for just how wonderful it smells. Cloves, Cinnamon, Eucalyptus Radiata, Rosemary and Lemon.
Several drops in a spray bottle filled with distilled water.

just an fyi post, in case the link upthread was missed,
this site is helpful for the latest WHO info (since the current feds are mostly mia)

kiwi, thanks for following up on that Bernie Bros claim, and Magrit, you are perceptive in pointing that out. Maybe the virus is the domino that is initiating the upcoming U.S. Pluto return. I had wondered how the process of restructuring (breaking down and rebuilding) our institutions was going to happen.

Ja, forget my question above. “Jenny” and I communicated a little more and I believe we are now on the same page.

from my phone
Here in western Washington we have an enormous number of Bernie supporters. I’ve spoken with a goodly number, and not one has taken the position its Bernie or I won’t vote. ALL of them have said they will vote for whomever Dems choose as the candidate.

Paramount to all Bernie supporters I’ve personally spoken with is getting rid of Trump. I think the vast majority of Bernie supporters agree.

Washington Post opinion on tonight’s debate.


“Bernie Sanders right now needs a fundamental change in the race to chip away at Biden’s delegate lead, and it’s not clear anything transpired Sunday night that might provide that. He repeatedly pointed to votes Biden had taken as a senator and bills he had worked on that don’t fit as well with today’s Democratic Party, and Biden got testy at times. But Biden was largely focused, and he repeatedly brought things back to what was clearly a point of emphasis for him: Saying he had worked to get things done while Sanders lobbed bombs from the sidelines. “I did that, while you were watching,” he said at one point about a renewable energy bill. He repeated his talking point that “people want results, not a revolution,” and then expanded on it. “We have problems we have to solve now,” he said. “What’s the revolution going to do? Disrupt everything.”

From the NYT’s:

‘Highlights From the March Democratic Debate’

The debate between Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders was hosted by CNN and Univision. It took place in Washington, D.C., because of concerns over the coronavirus.

“The format worked for both candidates. They both came off as knowledgeable and concerned for working families. Biden was more poised than in the past and showed that he understood that caring for families and individuals in need and having the capacity to solve their problems is a key characteristic in a Democratic president. Sanders was aggressive but not unkind. It seemed clear to me that Biden is better prepared for the Presidency, but Sanders defines the issues with better clarity. I agree with Biden that Americans want Results and are not ready for a Revolution and also that he is better suited to defeat Trump, which is quite properly the dominant issue for Democrats. I’m sorry that the writers covering this campaign and particularly are so focused on disputes that relitigate past votes and not on what really decides presidential elections. This coverage shows that reporters need a deep understanding of what makes a presidential election different from other elections.”


I watched 10 minute snippets of the debate supplied by CNN on youtube. I don’t have TV. Maybe 40 minutes in total.
They both seem very sincere–one more pragmatic, the other more idealistic–in trying to solve the problems we all face. I see why the idealism rings more true to the young, and I see why the pragmatism rings more true to the more experienced older generations. Of course, people of all ages like these guys, so that’s a generalization, but we know that Bernie’s supporters tend to be younger. And they don’t vote with the frequency and loyalty of older voters.

The sinking feeling I had, though, was that neither performance is going to sway a Trump believer. I know we live in a bubble where we think Trump is an incompetent idiot, but, unfortunately for us, its a bubble. Trump supporters aren’t changing their minds, and because of impeachment and many things, they will be motivated to vote in large numbers. I still think Trump’s got a good chance of winning. I really hope I’m wrong.

Chiro, I am not sure there is going to be an election. It is true that only Congress can cancel or change a national election but Donald has the Supreme Court and he can do it and the five Supremes can say it is so.

Kiwi, I will not link to the New York Post again. Point well taken.

Eliseo, I am relieved.

Margriet, Saturn-Pluto conjunctions always bring massive deaths. The last one in 1982 brought AIDS, which killed 6 million people over many years. This conjunction was in Capricorn, so it brought crisis to all governments. And it was square Eris, which means chaos.

The US seems destined to be particularly hard hit because of the Pluto return and the Neptune semi-return. The common denominator for past Pluto returns in the UK, France and Spain was the loss of superpower status in different centuries. This may have happened to Holland as well when it lost its own colonial empire.


“Bernie Bros say we should expect a massive exodus from the Democratic Party because they will never vote for Biden even if it means handing Trump a second term”

Cowardly spiteful rhetoric by losers


“Do we conclude that the biggest expression of Saturn conjunct Pluto was the corona virus? Structures in the whole world are showing to be weak and vulnerable to this wave of illness.”

I’d say thats chalking one up for archetypal Saturn conjunct Pluto. Spot on.

Coronavirus: The major breakdown at Canadian airports

Despite government policy, passengers landing over the weekend were not being adequately warned about the virus and the need to self isolate

By Stephen Maher
March 15, 2020

a friend shared this with me – may it be so . . . .

‘And the people stayed home. And read books, and listened, and rested, and exercised, and made art, and played games, and learned new ways of being, and were still. And listened more deeply.

Some meditated, some prayed, some danced. Some met their shadows. And the people began to think differently.

And the people healed. And, in the absence of people living in ignorant, dangerous, mindless, and heartless ways, the earth began to heal.

And when the danger passed, and the people joined together again, they grieved their losses, and made new choices, and dreamed new images, and created new ways to live and heal the earth fully, as they had been healed.’

~Kitty O’Meara


To be clear, Alice Bailey channelled the piece you posted in the early 20th century. I fancy some of the work – quite volumetric.


Re: Kitty O’Meara – gorgeous!


disgusted by federal inaction, the City of Montreal is sending some of its officials and police officers to tell arriving travelers at Montreal’s Trudeau Airport (named after Justin’s father) to go into isolation.

The City of Ottawa, the federal capital, now says they have the first community transmission in the country due to federal negligence at the airports.

A 30-year-old near Ottawa came back from NYC with the virus.

Many people in Quebec are thinking that if we were a separate country, we could have closed our borders like South Korea, Denmark, Norway and Finland; and we would probably be better governed because the provincial government is more competent and effective so far.

Eliseo, Andre–I thought to myself the other day that they fear the anal retentive dams they have been building for so long may be swept away in the massive change.

NewsScope for March 16, 2020
By Michael O’Reilly

Saturn Enters Aquarius


Word is, this leaked, germans horrified.
If true, it validates the depravity so apparent in the man.

from my phone
The article below from The Atlantic, is absolutely consistent with our movement toward our Pluto return and our Uranus return. I see a growing number of Americans realizing we need to reinvent ourselves, and very soon.

The Coronavirus Called America’s Bluff
Like Japan in the mid-1800s, the United States now faces a crisis that disproves everything the country believes about itself.



Will, yes and the material is valid for today’s world as Master D.K. was writing for the future and these times. AAB channeled Master D.K. a member of the spiritual hierarchy in which Lord Maitreya or the Christ is the head. I don’t know of any work that has as much intelligent wisdom as this body of work.

Kiwi, loved the Kitty O’Meara piece. May it be so.


I’d like to finally get back to your question from two threads ago, if I can share about meditation in the tradition of Buddhist monk Thich Nhat Hanh and about life at Deer Park Monastery. Then I wrote a long answer but there were too many links in it and the post fell through the system. Now I’m trying again.

Deer Park is a monastery in California, not too far from San Diego. I’ve never been there, but I’ve often been to Plum Village, its sibling monastery in the South of France. It’s a wonderful place.

One of the most typical things of Thich Nhat Hanh’s philosophy is the sense that it is an Applied Buddhism. Buddhism is not something you only practise when you sit on your meditation cushion, but it pervades every part of life. When you stand up from your cushion, you bring your buddhism with you. So every act of life is an occasion to meditate and to practise mindfulness.

During retreats at the monastery, a typical day goes like this:
Meditation in the early morning
Physical exercices
A teaching, a lecture
Walking meditation outside
Working meditation: chores like cleaning, pot washing, cutting vegetables, gardening, all to be done in a meditative way where you pay attention to your breath, to the way you’re walking/standing, your interactions with others
Sharing: in circles with from 10 to 25 persons people are invited to share about their personal experiences with Buddhism, with the morning’s teachings or anything else, as long as it comes from the heart. It’s not a discussion, it’s a practise for both speaker and listeners to observe.
Evening activity
Meals are part of the practise as well. Most of them are taken in silence. Eating is a meditation on the circle of life, on the inner being of the vegetable and thus of yourself since we’re all one.
After the last evening activity “Noble Silence” begins and people are supposed to be silent until the next morning after breakfast.

Another important aspect of life at a TNH monastery is the use of the bell.
Whenever a bell is sounded, people are invited to stop and return to their breathing. It means that large groups of active, chattering people become totally silent in two, three seconds as soon as the bell is invited. It’s amazing to witness this strong force of a simple bell.

In general, life and philosophy at a TNH monastery is so simple that you may underestimate its value. At the same time it can be very difficult to apply it in your daily life!
Thich Nhat Hanh compares it with the Pole star: “the Pole star is a guiding star. We want to go there, but nobody expects to touch it. We can only follow it and practise.”

More mundane: did anybody post this link already?

from my phone
Thank You! That was an interesting read. I doubt Justice Roberts will even blink an eye, But perhaps the letter will awaken some to the long, gradual and quiet pseudo-conservative sabotage of our judiciary.

It might well be true. The Guardian is now reporting the story.

Coronavirus: anger in Germany at report Trump seeking exclusive vaccine deal

Eliseo, thanks for the Anne Applebaum piece. It further convinces me that the Jupiter/Neptune/Chiron conjunction in Aquarius in 2009 is at the root of the present Cronavirus problem. All 3 transiting planets were conjunct the US natal conjunction of Moon-Pallas.

Moon symbolizes the People and Pallas symbolizes planning. Applebaum says “As a nation we are not good at long-term planning, and no wonder.”


It has been estimated that the Corona virus crises will be eclipsed by the financial losses that will include unemployment, decline in business and commerce, stock prices, and plunging consumer confidence to name just a few of the most obvious. Many experts have considered this economic crises to be the perfect economic storm of this century with oil prices plunging to their lowest levels, creeping worldwide inflation, and the spread of fear concerning the Corona virus on an international level.

The old financial systems that have benefited the few, and marginalized the many are now in crises and under pressure to change. This economic crises for all of its difficulties and discomfort will help usher in and is a part of a new and more equitable system of financial governance. What the political progressives may have failed to achieve on their own with programs like medicare for all, may now emerge organically out of the practical need to control the corona virus that is clearly spreading exponentially.

Above post from Duane Carpenter FB Page. Sorry meant to post his link and put in quotations.

from my phone
Glad to be of service. I look forward to whatever further reasoning and/or intuition you care to share re: the 2009 Jupiter/Neptune/Chiron conjunction.

“What the political progressives may have failed to achieve on their own with programs like medicare for all, may now emerge organically out of the practical need to control the corona virus that is clearly spreading exponentially.”

It is interesting that even before the news of the coronavirus became the headline, polls showed for the first time in American history the majority of citizens were FOR Medicare For All. Different people may have different interpretations as to what that means, but we now have a majority resonating with the MFA phrase.

The coronavirus pandemic demonstrates two obvious truths.
(1) We need a unified national health system which integrates well with the rest of world health systems.
(2) Mr. Trump & company are a clueless and inept cadre of narcissistic clowns, all of which are unfit morally, psychologically, and spiritually for the high offices they hold.

A hundred years ago the American Democratic Socialist platform contained 39 “planks.” The Dem party under FDR & Truman enacted 38 of those into legislation. The remaining plank was socialized medicine, and/or socialized health insurance. The bad news is the covid 19 pandemic. The good news is it will heavily foment the incorporation of that 39th plank into legislative reality, thus fulfilling the ambitions of the original Am. Dem. Socialist Party.

I’m hoping in the long run significant reforms are adopted in the educational process of doctors and nurses. Relative to their level of responsibility, nurses are very underpaid, and doctors overpaid. Future society will require several more doctors and nurses per capita. What would be more equitable and practical would be a more affordable system (like in star trek) in which one served as a nurse before becoming a doctor.

Eliseo, thank you for that comprehensive post.

I agree that the Jupiter/Neptune/Chiron pattern fits the corona virus. Saturn/Pluto does not so much, and here’s an excellent article from Majorie Orr that goes into Saturn/Pluto manifestations in detail over time: https://star4cast.com/saturn-pluto-a-sign-of-the-times.

Eliseo, all very good points.

We are up to 3,800 infected now, 2,200 since Friday. We do not have enough ventilators, beds for the sick if we become overwhelmed.

Well Eliseo, since you asked , , ,

At the exact conjunction of Chiron and Jupiter (May 23, 2009) at 26 Aquarius 12, they were conjunct Neptune at 26 Aquarius 28, and asteroid Pandora at 26 Aquarius 10, all 4 were transiting.

From Wikipedia, Pandora’s Box means “any source of great and unexpected troubles”

All 4 transiting bodies were conjunct the US natal Pallas at 26+ Aquarius and US natal Moon at 27+ Aquarius. Again, Moon = the People and Pallas = strategy.

On May 27, 2009, Jupiter and Neptune were at 26 Aquarius 28 and Chiron at 26 Aquarius 13 and Pandora at 27 Aquarius 05. Again, all were conjunct the US natal Moon and Pallas.

The transiting Moon at that time at 22+ Cancer was opposite where transiting Jupiter is now (22+ Capricorn) which trines the US Neptune at 22+ Virgo. US Neptune is one of the players in the present grand trine between the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction (22+ Taurus) and the Saturn-Pluto conjunction (+ + +) at 22+ Capricorn.

The grand trine formed by these 3 hot degrees is what drives the turbulence over the Cronavirus in the US. The Moon in the 2009 Jupiter-Neptune conjunction chart at 22+ Cancer turns the presently active grand trine between US Neptune, the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction and the Saturn-Pluto conjunction (+ today’s transiting Jupiter) into a Kite pattern.

The Moon in the 2009 Jupiter-Neptune chart opposes the January 2020 Saturn-Pluto conjunction, which puts the Saturn-Pluto (+ today’s Jupiter) in the catbird seat so to speak.

That cycle (Saturn-Pluto) and all the other conjunctions that have taken place at 22+ Capricorn (and the Jupiter transit right now) are the focal point of the grand trine, fueled by the opposing 2009 Moon in Cancer, which means fueled by emotions. Trans. Mars will conjunct trans. Jupiter on Friday the 20th.

That should ease up a bit when trans. Jupiter moves to 23+ Capricorn on Sunday March 22. However, on Monday March 23 trans. Mars will conjunct transiting Pluto and oppose US natal Mercury, so there’s that.

I believe that when the old Jupiter-Saturn cycle ends and their new cycle starts on December 21, 2020, there should be some relief from the anxiety that is the result of the grand trine pressure.

It could also be relief due to the election of a new Democrat US President.

This might be a waste of time don’t know. Not making declarations of fact here. What I want in writing this is to have a qualified expert simply look into the theory. That is all. Please do not scream it to the hills, promote it as a cure, spread rumor that a magic elixir is upon us. This is just a simple scientific hypothesis looking for an experiment. That is it.

But here it goes-in studying the outbreak of Covid-19 there has been not only a cluster of cases in Washington state, but in a nursing home, a cluster of fatalities. Now I have never bought into the universal idea that all older people have weakened immune systems. So I started to investigate. It turns out what is known as old person’s smell, is actually the oxidation of an age related increase in unsaturated fatty acids called 2-nonenal.

Now we know that Covid-19 is an enveloped virus and this is important because-

Viruses constitute important pathogens that can infect animals, including humans and plants. Despite their great diversity, viruses share as a common feature the dependence on host cell factors to complete their replicative cycle. Among the cellular factors required by viruses, lipids play an important role on viral infections [1-4]. The involvement of lipids in the infectious cycle is shared by enveloped viruses (those viruses whose infectious particle is wrapped by one or more lipid membranes) and non-enveloped viruses [1-4]. Apart from taking advantage on cellular lipids that are usually located inside cells, viruses induce global metabolic changes on infected cells, leading to the rearrangement of the lipid metabolism to facilitate viral multiplication [1,5-11].

So let’s theorize just for a moment:

Covid 19 is an enveloped virus as all coronaviruses are. 2-nonenal is produced at increasing amounts as we age. Ok. Below is a chart reflecting just how the lethality of this virus increases with age:

In other words this thing is very lethal to the elderly.

But I also found some other interesting information. It turns out that nearly two decades ago a Japanese company came out with a smell solution-a persimmon based soad solution that reduces the 2-nonenal and the smell.

This is from Mirai Clinical-this company claims that persimmon extract does more than mask 2-nonenal, it eliminates it.

What is particularly interesting about this is that the lowest mass tested vs. fatality death rate in this battle against Covid-19 is South Korea. For the years 2007-2010 South Korea had a persimmon consumption rate of 300 plus times that of the USA-and China, eight times that of South Korea.

Is it just possible, that 2-nonenal, as it does permeate the environment around it, creates a sort of oxygen pathway for this virus to travel on, and in doing so, also allows for a super replication enhancement thereby making the virus more potent to the elderly, not because of age or immune systems, but what older people naturally produce? If so would it then be possible to counteract that with some kind of persimmon exposure or intake, and can we test 2-nonenal levels on the really sick vs. the barely affected?

Consider too that Princess Cruise lines ( a wonderful cruise line BTW) has a generally older clientele, so could the production of this chemical be a binding agent making an airborne spread much more likely? All questions I feel are at least worth examining.

I realize this sounds like a random shot in the dark but only one person has to see it and go hmm-and if it sounds crazy then ignore it. But what if there is some sort of information of value to be gleaned?

But here is what we within reason, can confidently assume-a nursing home is going to produce 2-nonenal at rates not found in society at large. It is going to be a massively uneven concentration. So if my theory is possible, then a nursing home would become a super incubator.

Again this is not to suggest a cure this is just food for thought, literally, if someone with the expertise and resources would want to look at it.

Just scanning briefly.

Whomever is responsible, be it Trump or others, the WH seems to have put together a very, very good Task Force Team. I have watched their press conferences (last one yesterday) and was extremely impressed. We do need this.

The numbers will spring up by leaps and bounds as people are tested. It is frightening how people may respond, including more hording, but the food manufacturers are probably gearing up especially on the essentials I hope.

Sorry to say, the guns sales are increasing, too, largely among those who realize there may be a need for self defense, and among those who think the government will take guns away.

May plant a home garden in containers inside or on decks or balconies? I’ve read this will last 2 months at a high level before it’s under control and subsides.

I am in the process of registering for mail-in ballets for the June LA primary which, I’ve learned, can be discarded if things are safe and you decide to go in person. In LA, if you are 65 & over, you qualify for mail-in. I have a feeling, they will start including everyone?

Maybe plant a home garden (lol, it’s always something!) and ballots, not ballets.

another leader who has no shame and must be defeated:
McConnel urges older federal judges to retire so they can appoint republicans this year

kiwi, I just saw this and was going to post it here.

I think this is good news in a way. MCconnell realizes his days are numbered and he is scrambling to shore up his partisan advantage. I hope the Democratic Judiciary stays in place till November when they can be replaced with Democrats throughout.

It boggles the mind how evil Mcconnell is.

Whats with the persimmon post???

as a side note, this years bountiful crop of persimmons on my tree will soon be ripe – yum yum.

Canada bars all foreigners except Americans.


However, this exception is likely to last only a few more days.

I’m sure you don’t keep these charts in your head, Barbk. Is it clear sheet protectors with printouts of these charts in a binder? Are they pinned to a very large bulletin board? It really boggles the mind.

This is why I call it Galactic Astrology. It’s pretty amazing, and actually very fun to wend your way through the patterns and logic of it all. Thanks for doing all that.

I’m hoping the final passing of Jupiter at 22 Cap in Nov 2020 brings things to a point of clear sailing ahead. But even before that the transit in July should be a high point, and that happens during the Dem Convention. I can’t quite imagine what happens, but it probably has something to do with Andrew Yang.

from my phone
What is your thinking and/or intuition about Andrew Yang? You’ve mentioned him I believe several times.

IMO, of all the Dem candidates who ran, he saw and understands the future most clearly. I would like to see him and his ideas taken more seriously.


Thank you very much for the extensive information about Deer Park Monastery; something for me to check out sometime.

I had an extensive individual retreat at the Vajrapani Institute in the mountains of Santa Cruz several years ago that was challenging but deeply-illuminating. Solitude is an extraordinary gift to the self. This sanctuary also offers group retreats but are now also shutting down until May due to COVID19.


Kiwi, more on Mitch.

“You do not have to be a professional astrologer to notice a lot of stuff jam-packed in the piece of the cosmic pie chart that is labelled “2” (technical term for that piece of the cosmic pie chart is the Second House). Knowing that astrology is a symbolic language, you then wonder what the Second House symbolizes. Answer: money, values and self-worth. That’s the focus for the United States for the next three months, or — to quote the 1992 political campaign slogan, “It’s the economy, stupid.” This is especially true with respect to corporate and government entities, as all of that Second House “stuff” is in Capricorn, tightly focused and planting seeds, perhaps in a “last-gasp” effort to fortify their needs.

An example of the PTB fortifying their needs: Moscow Mitch’s top priority this week isn’t passing the Families First Act, which would help the 99%. Instead, he’s pleading with veteran federal judges to quit now, so he can oversee all of their replacements.”


from my phone
I’m in shock. Sen. Mitt Romney took a page out of Andrew Yang’s notebook. He suggested sending $1000. to every adult citizen asap to assist with bills, get everyone through the crisis, and boost the economy.

Is the new R. strategy to buy us all off for votes in November?

Eliseo, I think Romney has been trying to distinguish himself from Trump for a while now, hoping to step in as the moderate candidate when Trump falls apart or fails in some other way; hence, the vote to impeach him. If that is not a bid to distinguish himself from the rest of the pack, I don’t know what is. I do believe he voted with his conscience but others probably felt the same way. He had another reason. He has done universal health care in the past (or was it just for children?) and seems to have moderate tendencies.

…so he knows he will appeal to centrist or right of center Dems, Independents, etc.

from my phone
Sharon K,
I was just on the phone with my thinking partner. One of the several issues and questions we discussed was Romney’s motivations.

We came to same conclusion as did you. Although I personally feel and think Romney’s past business practices were unethical and immoral, although legal, he is perceived as more honest, honorable, moderate, and moral than the other R’s. He fomented this perception with his vote to convict on one of the articles of impeachment.

We can’t help but suspect Romney is looking forward, realizing he might step in to “save” the R. Party, when or if Trump leaves office early, or does not run in 2020, or conversely to lead the way in establishing a new conservative party to replace the R. Party as it self destroys.

eliseo, re your 11.30 post: ‘imitation is the sincerest form of flattery’

I say let them copy progressive ideas! We just need to be damn sure to praise them widely and loudly for ‘finally seeing the common sense that these good, solid, democratic ideas and ideals make for american citizens’

This virus is a horrible, scary thing, but I can see it as something that shows us how we’re all connected, the whole world. How a problem with one country can be a problem for us all. (Which is how we have to feel to address climate change meaningfully.)

It has us turning to scientists to save, which, again, we have to do for climate change.

It’s something that requires all of us agreeing with each other enough to cooperate and act as one to solve. Our partisan divide will not allow us to solve it, so that divide has to go.

It has us talking about universal health care and could show us what a universal basic income could do for us as a country, all good things.

Was it someone here who said it will humble us as a country? I think it will. Probably long overdue for us. And it’s exposing Trump for exactly who he is, as naked as the emperor with no clothes.

Great quote ‘without health, all is nothing’

Brother Richard Hendrick, a Capuchin Franciscan living in Ireland, has penned a touching poem about coronavirus.

Lockdown by Brother Richard:

Yes there is fear.
Yes there is isolation.
Yes there is panic buying.
Yes there is sickness.
Yes there is even death.
They say that in Wuhan after so many years of noise
You can hear the birds again.
They say that after just a few weeks of quiet
The sky is no longer thick with fumes
But blue and grey and clear.
They say that in the streets of Assisi
People are singing to each other
across the empty squares,
keeping their windows open
so that those who are alone
may hear the sounds of family around them.
They say that a hotel in the West of Ireland
Is offering free meals and delivery to the housebound.
Today a young woman I know
is busy spreading fliers with her number
through the neighbourhood
So that the elders may have someone to call on.
Today Churches, Synagogues, Mosques and Temples
are preparing to welcome
and shelter the homeless, the sick, the weary
All over the world people are slowing down and reflecting
All over the world people are looking at their neighbours in a new way
All over the world people are waking up to a new reality
To how big we really are.
To how little control we really have.
To what really matters.
To Love.
So we pray and we remember that
Yes there is fear.
But there does not have to be hate.
Yes there is isolation.
But there does not have to be loneliness.
Yes there is panic buying.
But there does not have to be meanness.
Yes there is sickness.
But there does not have to be disease of the soul
Yes there is even death.
But there can always be a rebirth of love.
Wake to the choices you make as to how to live now.
Today, breathe.
Listen, behind the factory noises of your panic
The birds are singing again
The sky is clearing,
Spring is coming,
And we are always encompassed by Love.
Open the windows of your soul
And though you may not be able
to touch across the empty square,


Glad you liked the info about Deer Park and Thich Nhat Hanh’s monasteries.
I’ll check out the Vajrapani Institute you mention.

“Solitude is an extraordinary gift to the self.”
That means we’re lucky nowadays.


Nice poem of the Irish monk!

Andrew Yang is, imo, an unconscious clairvoyant with an empathy for the American people. So, here’s what I’m looking at that makes me think that. His Poseidon (a super Neptune) at 22 Libra is square his Sun at 22 Cap, and his Chiron at 20 Aries. Poseidon square Sun by itself is associated with clairvoyance. But he has other “future forward” aspects, like Uranus on is Midheaven, and Jupiter trine Saturn. He leans towards the future. He himself says he is a “presentist”, not a futurist, meaning he sees what is really happening right now. The empathy or special connection to the US is BML at 27 Aquarius (US Moon position), and Chiron at 20 Aries (US Chiron position). But then he fits into the many patterns that Barbk so clearly examines where, as you have probably noticed, certain positions come up repeatedly, like 22 Cap and 26 or 27 Aquarius.
I think he is injected a new idea -UBI or the Freedom Dividend especially–into the American consciousness at a time when it’s really needed, and it is now being turned to by the left and the right, because it is nonideological, just data-driven and pragmatic. That I think will become more clear very soon, and his bridging approach (not left, not right, forward) which is probably appealing to many people can carry his message in a nonpolarizing way.
The other thing that stands out to me is his Neptune is at 10 Sag, very close to the US ascendant. I think Barbk has listed his many connections also. Its a unique chart, worthy of intense study. I think he will have a sneaky powerful effect on the consciousness of the country. And by sneaky I mean it will sneak up on us. He is very self-effacing, not ambitious as a politician, just ambitious for his ideas on helping us heal, and, as the I Ching says, “a modest man can not be overlooked.”

I should also mention that his Ascendant is 4 Capricorn, which is prominent in several important events, recently, including the Eclipse chart in December, and the Declaration of Emergency chart.

The NYSE chart has a lot of 22 and 23 degree points:
It’s Eris is 23 Cap, square today’s Eris at 23 Aries
It’s Pluto is 23 Aquarius, it’s Mercury at 23 Taurus.
It’s Poseidon is 22 Cancer and its Jupiter at 22 Libra.
Today’s Jupiter is at 22 Cap as we are maybe too aware at the moment. So in the NYSE chart Jupiter and Eris are square, and right now Jupiter and Eris are square, but back in 1792 Eris was at 23 Cap. Squares exaggerate, so once a fluctuation starts it can get out of hand, and this is one of those moments in time. But fluctuations can go up, not just down.
The MC of the NYSE is 0 degrees Taurus, ruled by Venus, which is at 5 Taurus. Uranus is right now at 4 Taurus, approaching Venus. Uranus is also good at creating quick fluctuations, both up and down.
So it isn’t too surprising that the market is going down with the COVID-19 scare, but it can and will go up too, just more obviously and more frequently than we’re use to. If anyone would like to look more closely at it, NYSE chart is the traditional one: 10:10 am May 17, 1792, NY, NY.

Chiro, the US progressed Venus is now at 0 Taurus too, if I’m not mistaken.

Beth Owl’s Daughter:

“n a week of huge change, uncertainty, and exponentially dire news, it is with some relief and hopefulness that we welcome our old friend, The Fool.

The Fool is all about potential, new beginnings, and risk-taking. How perfect for this week of the Equinox, and the astrological new year! Ready or not, we are taking a giant step into the Mystery.”


Barbk, I did something on a whim just to see what would happen. I progressed the Eclipse chart for Dec. 26th 2019 to now. It’s almost an exact match of the Declaration of Emergency chart. Let me know if that really means anything, in your opinion.

If the progressed Venus is 0 Taurus, matching that of the NYSE, I will see what other things match up. I do think, especially as an entity gets older, that transits to progressed positions really have an effect. I have also noticed personally that progressed positions have a definite impact in a close relationship. Can we say that the US Chart and the NYSE have a close relationship?? Interesting thought.

Chiro, thanks for the astrology (read: reality) -based posts. You ask questions that would never have occurred to me.

In this time of “isolation”, I would like to say a big thank you to all the posters (and readers) on this site! Keep the posts coming, politics or not. Some posts bring cutting edge news and others bring encouragement and a different, more long term, view. It helps – especially seniors and people who are already sick or vulnerable.

Astrology aside, it’s good to keep in touch with friends and neighbors – even if we can’t ‘be’ together because of social distancing, the phones still work (!!) and emails keep people in touch for support.

Where I live, people have started doing phone/email chains or circles for people to stay in touch while this plays out. It can be useful for those who need help getting groceries, for example – phone in a short list of necessities and a young, healthy person can make the trip to the store and drop the bags on the porch or buzz the apartment for someone to come get them. No need for contact.

Reach out to your ‘peeps’ – don’t wait for them to call you! And stay sane, stay away from fear and crazy thinking. Chill. This too shall pass.

I just came home from Ralph’s and Trader Joe’s. They have a manager at the front entrance and one at the side entrance. The manager at the front door is handing out wipes and only allowing 20 people in the store at a time. The two stores were stocked full of fresh produce and dry goods, except paper products. Everyone was calm, courteous and very quiet. It took less than a week for this protocol to be implemented.

In Saturn-Pluto periods, dark humor abounds. It may even be healthy. Here are three examples:

1. The virus has been found in toilet paper.

2. This one comes from Belgium, a place with a particularly morbid sense of humor. Belgium is widely famous for its potent beers, one of which is named Sudden Death. The joke is if you buy two Coronas, you get a free Sudden Death in return.

3. The final one is about the death rate from coronavirus in North Korea. It is said that country has a new case every hour, but is back to zero ten minutes later. They shoot them off every time.

Hey, Andre, howls of laughter here, after sharing your jokes with the roomie. Thanks a lot.


Andrew Yang is having a moment. “in touch with the White House”

wow, they’re rightly cracking the whip!
An Italian man is facing up to 12 years in prison after he hid his coronavirus symptoms in order to get a rhinoplasty, infecting multiple doctors and nurses.
According to the Italian news agency, La Repubblica, a prosecutor officially opened a case against the man for an “aggravated culpable epidemic.”

Meanwhile here in NZ, police detained a new arrival tourist who had no intention to self isolate, and carted her off to be immediately deported.

Warning: apologies to those offended by coarse language, but for those with a liberal sense of humor (Will) I thought this too funny not to share

It’s starting to feel as if the Universe, tired of our squabbling, has put us all in time-out.

Arbo, sometimes I feel pretty naive sometimes around these amazing astrologers, so you have to ask.

I wanted to see what it looks like to “have a moment” and here are the transits for Andrew Yang’s chart. His Ascendant is 4 Cap, Desc. is 4 Cancer, right? So here goes:
North Node is at 4 Cancer, Chiron is at 4 Aries, Uranus is at 4 Taurus.
Jupiter is on his Sun (22 Cap). Mars will be there soon. As will Pallas. Both at 21 Cap
Ceres at 17 Aq is on his Pallas.
Also his Moon is at 4 Aquarius, so Chiron is sextile his Moon.
Mercury is trine his MC.
He’s going to get even busier.

Kiwi, that video was wicked.

Here’s an old favorite for an election campaign stump speech:

“This government has brought us to the cliff’s edge!

Our party will make you take a step forward!”

Mixed metaphors.

Good one, Sassy Grace

Is there a chart for COVID19? Is there a chart for Spanish Flu?

So what do you guys think about Joe’s win tonight and whether there are other states upcoming in which Bernie will do better?

Bernie may do better in AZ, an Aquarius state…

It looks like the Olympic Games will be cancelled for the 4th time despite the assurances of the Japanese government. Final qualifying is supposed to take place by the end of May. The Games were cancelled during both world wars (1916, 1940, 1944).

My question is: will there be elections in the US in November?

Local elections were held in France on Sunday. Turnout was a record low; voting staff wore masks, but the results were deemed valid. It was fantastic for voter suppression.

Sharon K, My sister in Florida said Biden won by a landslide. She had voted for Bernie in 2016, but voted for Biden this time. Interesting how people have felt so positive about Biden. Maybe it’s his Venus/Sun conjunct. Just a charming guy. And he looks Presidential.

Astrologically there were a few things, summarizing: Uranus/Venus transit on his Ascendant for South Carolina and the Full Moon on his MC resonating with the people, and Jupiter and Saturn aspects that were positive for the debate.
Maybe Bernie seems just as revolutionary as ever, but a lot of people aren’t as attracted to that as before. He definitely had the same enthusiasm for his issues as ever, as did many of his supporters, just not in big enough numbers.
At this point the math says he can’t amass the delegates necessary to get past Joe. Maybe somebody else sees a path for him.

😉 Andre


Shits and giggles.

Could someone look up Sherrod Brown’s aspects? He is November 9, 1952, Mansfield, Ohio, U.S. I ask because, in many ways, he is Biden only 15 years younger and in much better health and shape. I have this thought that we go to the convention (which will likely be a virtual convention) and Biden says he is asking Sherrod to take his place? Is that too weird?

Brown has scorpio sun, leo moon. Nice mars placement in capricorn and saturn in libra. lots of venus aspects would make him warm and fuzzy. I can see why he reminds you of Biden. His mercury is not good and poorly aspected making me wonder about his intellect. Otherwise …..who knows. Maybe others will comment.

The Spanish Flu lasted almost three years, from January 1918 through December 1920. About 675, 000 in the US died of the disease. Somewhere between 50 million and 100 million deaths occurred worldwide.

It occurs to me that were the current pandemic to last for a comparable time, it would inspire, yet delay progressive reform. Were a Dem president, and Majority Dem House and Senate elected, they might nevertheless be entirely preoccupied with issues stemming from the pandemic. The nation and world might not be able to move forward until the disease had run its course.

This might explain why astrologically, we don’t see significant progress until 2022 or 2023. We’ve got to get through the pandemic first.

Another interesting fact:
After each historical plague was over, conditions for workers and the common people dramatically improved. As there were fewer workers to get things done, their labor was more highly valued, and they gained in political power. Also generally, grateful to be alive, people for a time became more generous and accepting.

Andre, that 8:48 comment made me smile; thanks!

Good stuff Chiro, astrology is indeed a treasure trove of gasps when you follow your curiosity. I don’t imagine a progressed chart of Sun conjunct Moon in Capricorn from Dec. 26, 2019 to March 17, 2020 would change very much, however, the March 13, 2020 Declaration of Emergency chart would have Sun in Pisces trine Moon in Scorpio.

Tell me how the two charts (prog. solar eclipse in December and Emergency Declaration in March) match up and I will see if I can get some meaning from it.

Thanks so much for the Andrew Yang “in touch with the White House” clip Chiro.

Sassy Grace, yes, the Universe is calling a time-out. Very good analogy. With transiting Uranus (shocking breakthrough) in Taurus (material world) and US progressed Venus (values) now in Taurus, we are being forced to re-examine what really matters. I’ll drink to that!

My first trek outside my home since Monday the 9th, was jaw-dropping today. Two grocery stores had almost totally bare shelves and the Trader Joe’s employee outside the store asking that we customers not take more than 2 of any commodity was a first.

I remember when I was a tot and my mom took me shopping with her during WW2 (this was in NYC) and we had to have tokens (in addition to money) in order to buy certain objects.

We also had to pull the shades on the windows in the evening and my dad told me it was so the planes that would fly overhead could not see where our homes were. At least we don’t have that problem; yet.

Thank you quintile.

Eliseo, we will have an election in six months, and we will have dem leadership that could take charge and deal with this. I am hearing from trumpers that they are done with him and when their loved ones die this spring, I just cannot see anyone voting for him. Once we take back the government, even if we are still dealing with the pandemic, it will be easier, though I believe a vaccine will be available between the election and the inauguration.

tRump’s good economy destroyed by January 13 stellium.
Not his fault but hurt by decisions he made before and after the pandemic.

Sibly’s Mercury (connected with commerce) in right ascension is at 115°23′ (opposition – 295°23′).

Transits Jan 13 2020, 10:00 am, EST

Mercury/Sun midpoint 295°53′
Mercury/Saturn midpoint 295 53
Mercury/Pluto midpoint 295 55

It usually takes about 18 months to develop a vaccine. If it is done in the time frame you suggest, so much the better.

The primary reason I suggest reforms might come into being a couple of years into a Dem president’s term is Pluto will be in Capricorn for that first couple of years. Pluto goes into Aquarius 2023-2024.

The pandemic, so far, is the simplest explanation as to why the most important reforms might come later rather than sooner. Furthermore, it is theoretically possible, despite our best efforts, this conflagration might become far worse than we’ve imagined. In any case, like the plagues of olde, it will certainly reduce our hubris.

People are forgetting there’s a third option to help save us besides a vaccine and quarantines — effective treatment for the illness caused by the virus.

Doctors all over the world are trying existing drugs to see if they work. Read about a malaria drug that’s shown promise in both shortening the time and lessening the severity of cases.

It’s only been tried on a handful of patients, but we can hope. Making the virus less deadly and requiring less time in the hospital and on ventilators could make it manageable instead of a huge, scary crisis.

“Good news alert (via a doctor friend): Cleveland Clinic has developed a Covid-19 test that delivers results in hours not days. Doctors in India have treated virus successfully with drugs combo including Lopinavir, Retonovir, Oseltamivir, along with Chlorphenamine more to come..”


“People over 70 in the UK will be quarantined at home for 4 months in a ‘wartime’ effort to tackle… ”

https://news.yahoo.com/people-over-70-uk-quarantined-103406033.html?soc_src=hl-viewer&soc_trk=tw via @Yahoo

Astraea (persistence) is at 25 Cancer right now, conjunct US Mercury
Pluto is at 24 Cap, and because of retrograde motion most of the year, won’t get to 25 Cap until January of 2021.
(Moon happens to be at 24 Cap at the moment.)
Maybe today we’ll see just how persistent to the downturn (hopefully not Depression) will be.

Angellight, I will spread the word on the good news alert. In looking at the corona virus statistics worldwide, the lowest death rate as a percentage of cases is in India right now. That could be bad statistics. I’m hoping its the treatments you mention.

Chiro: I am hoping too that India is on the right track, hope for us all.

“There are currently 15 closed domestic military instalations in the United States with functioning Hospitals. Not only do they have Hospitals but the Barracks of these bases can be used for triage and hospital room. Ft. McClellan Alabama alone has 5000 beds that can be used.”


This is a very helpful Q&A with Adam Schiff and Dr. Rebecca Katz on Covid-19


Aquarium Age:

“The effect of this virus—not just the actual illness, but its mushroom effect upon our consciousness and upon the way we live—is so potent that hindsight will almost certainly see COVID-19 as the great wake-up call that united the disparate nations of planet Earth and taught us to finally work together.”


I know the astrology of the Nov. election is dicey but I also know that we will, if allowed, have one of the biggest blue waves in history. I believe trump and Mcconnell know this and are planning accordingly.

Governor of Ohio used Health Emergency to postpone the state’s Democratic primary. I have raised this before but I am deeply concerned that trump will postpone indefinitely the election and remain in office. I know people say he cannot, that it is against the law to do so. He has shown that he does not care about laws or norms. And the Supreme’s have shown their true colors and will support him. Remember, they just postponed his tax case indefinitely.

An indicator will be whether the Dem bills in Congress for a vote by mail will even see the light of day. If they do, then there is no reason to postpone or alter any election due to health concerns but given where McConnell and trump are on this, I assume they will bury those bills.

Don’t mean to be snarky, but I find it strange that there is so very little reporting coming from Russia regarding COVID.

China says a Japanese drug is clearly effective against the coronavirus:


Will, everything is a state secret in Russia just like the former Soviet Union. They admit to 100 cases, but are not testing.

The waters in Venice are clearer and purer since the cruise ships left. They even have fish returning to the canals for the first time in over a half-century.

The sky is blue over Chinese cities with normally heavy pollution.

Ja, have you viewed Kim Carey’s latest Intuitiview video or perhaps the previous one where her guides show her the scene from the Miracle Worker when Helen Keller finally “gets the wake up” of what Annie Sullivan is teaching her? It’s well worth watching and that’s where we are struggling to get awakened…..that we are all one and need to support each other and exchange me for we.

Silcominc, I wasn’t aware that SCOTUS ruled one Trump’s taxes. I thought that was to happen in June?

Banks, at this point the Supreme Court has delayed the case though they have not given any new date.


Saturn symbolizes restriction. In the US Solar (birthday) Return chart (in effect now) Saturn was at 17+ Capricorn along with the South Node (release what no longer serves) at 17+ Capricorn and they were sextile Neptune at 18+ Pisces, where transiting Neptune is right now. Hence, the US Solar Return is active.

Neptune symbolizes all things nebulous such as the spread of the Coronavirus. Neptune was square Jupiter (widespread) at 16+ Sagittarius in the US Solar Return in July 2019.

Neptune was aspecting both Saturn (sextile) and Jupiter (square) in the 2019 US Solar Return chart, and Jupiter and Saturn together symbolize societies. In the US Solar Return chart that would be the US society. Again, Neptune was supportive (sextile) Saturn (restrictive) but challenging (square) Jupiter (widespread) in the 2019 US Solar Return chart.

The 2019 US Solar Return Pluto was at 22+ Capricorn and trine the US natal Neptune at 22+ Virgo and they were both trine the start degree of the (still active) Jupiter-Saturn cycle that began with their conjunction at 22+ Taurus in 2000. The power of a grand trine had begun.

The 2000 Jupiter-Saturn conjunction in Taurus was square Uranus (breakthroughs, disruption) at 20+ Aquarius which is where the progressed US Mercury is which, in addition to communication and thinking, is associated with commerce as Bob reminds us.

So US thinking and communicating and commerce (US prog. Mercury) was destined to be disrupted sometime between 2000 and the end of 2020, the period of time the Jupiter-Saturn cycle that began in Taurus (trine the US nebulous NATAL Neptune in Virgo) is functioning.

The 2000 Jupiter-Saturn chart had its own nebulous Neptune at 6+ Aquarius which is where the US natal South Node (what has outworn its usefulness) and US natal Pholus (small cause but big effect) also at 6+ Aquarius.

The US 2019 Solar Return chart has Juno (partner) at 6+ Leo conjunct the US natal North Node (path forward). This US Solar Return Juno was square the same chart’s Uranus at 6+ Taurus.

Taken together, the 2000 Jupiter-Saturn cycle and the 2019 US Solar Return chart tells us that the 2000 chart’s Neptune + US SN + US Pholus at 6+ Aquarius would be opposed (in 2019-20) by US Solar Return Juno and US NN at 6+ Leo, that would be T-squared by the disruptive US Solar Return Uranus at 6+ Taurus.

How that would play out might be explained by the 2020 Saturn-Pluto cycle that started at 22+ Capricorn that trines US natal Neptune at 22+ Virgo and the Jupiter-Saturn cycle that started at 22+ Taurus.

Mars in the 2020 Saturn-Pluto chart at 6+ Sagittarius trines (very supportive) the US natal North Node at 6+ Leo and the 2019-20 US Solar Return chart’s Juno (partner) at 6+ Leo.

It will be through creativity (Leo) that the US escapes the T-square described above. Remember, transiting Neptune is back where it was at the US birthday last year. It supported restrictive (social distancing) Saturn and squared widespread (virus) Jupiter. It will be the US natal Leo North Node (path forward) creativity that will free us.

On April 5, less than 3 weeks from now, transiting Chiron will reach 6 degrees of Aries and trine the US natal North Node at 6+ Leo and the January 2020 Saturn-Pluto chart’s Mars at 6+ Sagittarius.

This grand trine will be dramatic (Leo) and defensive (Mars) and healing (Chiron) in its performance and I’m betting the US (maybe the world) will be (by the end of the year) in a better place than it is now.

I want that to be the case, Barb, but I don’t want the Trump Admin to be given the credit. I want everyone to be safe and well and taken care of, but I don’t want it to get Trump re-elected. They are changing their tune fast now after all of the really destructive actions over the years and…well….I’ve already said it twice.

6 people died of Covid 19 in LA, all in Orleans parish, and 4 of the 6 are at the assisted living/nursing facility near my home….all of this makes me nervous although I’m trying to fight that and be active and constructive.

Sharon, your progressed Saturn/Pluto midpoint is opposed by your progressed Moon. The midpoint and progressed Moon are square your progressed MC today and tomorrow. The willies can be expected given the conditions you cited. Best thoughts sent your way.

will – ive been thinking that about russia too. But then again, its mostly just the monied oligarchs that travel. however, like the usa, its likely just starting to spread noticeably. The other one where stats are being hidden is nth korea. zero cases? word is – suspected bad.

Thank you, Bob. Very kind of you to check into that for me. Hugs (virtual of course), Sharon

You are welcome Sharon. I did not post that transiting Neptune is conjunct your birthplace MC as it has been within effective orb of influence for some time and will be for some time to come and I thought you would be aware of that.

Watch for:

Apr 4 2020 Nep Cnj MC 19°Pi23′ Tr-Na
Sep 17 2020 Nep Cnj MC 19°Pi23′ Tr-Na

Feb 4 2021 Nep Cnj MC 19°Pi23′ Tr-Na
May 23 2021 Nep Cnj Mar 22°Pi54′ Tr-Na
Jul 29 2021 Nep Cnj Mar 22°Pi54′ Tr-Na

Sharon, did you get your “Thieves Oil”

Thank you, Banks!

Thank you, Barbk.

The Canadian government and the Trump Administration have agreed to close their border to non-essential travel. It is the longest undefended border in the world. Next steps in Canada should be prohibiting Canadian citizens from leaving the country, and sealing off some provinces or regions from others who are more infected.

Like Trump, Trudeau is vilified for his lack of leadership, particularly here in Montreal. He is widely seen as leading from behind and only under public pressure. Thankfully, our public health care system is not in the federal government’s hands; it is run by the provinces, like the states in the US. The Canadian government has for years had problems in paying its own employees because of IT malfunctions which have cost billions and are nowhere near resolution.

It is now expected the US and the UK will be the worst hit by the coronavirus crisis among Western nations. The UK has Medicare for all, but their system has been severely weakened by ten years of cuts from Conservative governments. A British doctor has described today the horrible working conditions in that country even before this crisis.

Marjorie Orr On Putin:

Russia looks in no better shape than anyone else over the next several years – all of which may throw Putin’s plans off track.


NZ seems to be taking very proactive steps for the most part. All new cases (now 20 total) have come from overseas. Yesterday I had a new washer/dryer delivered. I was surprised that prior to delivery they phoned to ask covid screening questions to protect their staff. Ive also received emails from companies outlining their covid protection measures in place. And our bank, indicating willingness to work with bus customers, esp in the tourist industry, to get them thru the crunch – no/low interest, etc etc. so far we only have 4 cases per million.

these are shocking stats from Italy:
“COVID-19 has infected 2,629 health workers, or 8.3% of the total (more than twice the percentage in China), as of yesterday March 17
In Bergamo (Lombardy region), 118 out of about 600 family doctors (20%) have been infected, and a 65-year-old doctor has died
Today, a 57-year-old doctor has died: he was the secretary of the Federation of General Practitioners of Lodi ”
A week ago, a 67-year-old family doctor, president of the Varese Medical Association, had died


Yes, of course Russia is still secretive – but infinitely more porous than before the collapse. It seems more than a little odd that there is so little news coming from that place.

Thank you again very much, Bob!

My NN is 18 Pisces. Interesting that the ruler of Pisces is also conjuncting my Pisces NN.

I AM having the experience of having to try harder and to get my point of view across with people opposing me temporarily and then finally getting it.

Later on (2023? have to check), it will conj my mars, then venus. Worried a little about it but open minded enough to welcome positive possibilities too .

Ja, it was mailed out yesterday. I’m looking forward to it – thank you for the link! It is a great price and I’m sure it’s of great quality.

By the way, when you order, it defaults to the pick up in person choice, so you have to click the box so it opens and allows you to choose the mail preference.

I meant to relate that experience more to my MC conjuncting Neptune than the NN, Bob.

Kiwi, yes, what is happening in Italy is heart wrenching, terrible.

It sounds like NZ and its residents have their heads on straight.

Bob, in all honesty, I’m having trouble getting anything done. Something is pushing me to surf the internet constantly, relax, be dreamy (or anxious) and, in between, I do get things done but this is not the efficient me that I have been for a long time in life (with some interruptions), who did not have a difficult time attacking my daily to-do list. In fact, Saturn (& Jupiter for a briefer period) had been going through my 6th house and was a big aid in this respect. I now realize why I’m having so much trouble getting things done, being as effective. Thank you for pointing it out. I had seen it on the astrodienst website but didn’t really grasp it until now.

Leo is not just about creativity, although I appreciate the positivity, Barbk. “Leo is represented by the lion, and these spirited fire signs are the kings and queens of the celestial jungle. They’re delighted to embrace their royal status: Vivacious, theatrical, and passionate, Leos love to bask in the spotlight and celebrate themselves.” from allure.com
Who does this sound like to you????
And now Trump is saying he is a “wartime” president, because it makes him feel good about going Big, and ordering naval ships to the coasts, and getting things produced under military orders. But I think oddly it is going to work out to our benefit. So, in that sense, it is positive.
I think it’s good too that Jupiter at 22 Cap is trine the 22 Taurus position.
Thanks for the beautifully clear post.

Sharon K, my oldest went through that between college and getting her PhD, and then she was sure of what she wanted to do after trying teaching for a couple of years. Maybe you’re just between great things.

475 deaths in Italy over the last 24 hours. They say it’s because they have a lot of older people.

France had 89 deaths today and 931 people in intensive care, half of whom are under 60. Aggravating factors are type A blood for some unknown reason, obesity, hypertension and other underlying conditions. French doctors in eastern France have begun choosing who lives or dies like Italy.

But we know a young lady in a village in Switzerland who says she’s fine and doesn’t want to come home. It’s like World War II; some people had a good war.

The tsunami is coming. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best. As Ralfee Finn wrote this morning, this will create infinite new possibilities to make better choices.

Reading online about various drugs being tried to treat the virus, and I’m struck by the way information is being shared online instantly around the world.

Doctors in one country published an abstract of their study of two existing drugs to Google Docs, and it’s out in the world right now, giving doctors other possible treatments, comparing it to what they’ve tried and giving the other team feedback on what they’ve tried.

It’s an amazing synergy, a real strength we have going for us now. Reason to hope.

Thank you, Chiro. Neptune has been affecting me for a while in Pisces: first my 1 deg sun, then 15 deg Jupiter, now my MC at 19 Pisces (and NN at 18), and, finally, my mars/venus at about 24/26. I don’t want to necessarily do great things (nor have the energy) – I just want to be organized and get things done!

Thanks, again, and I appreciate Bob’s pointing out the times t. Neptune will conj my MC in the coming months. I imagine the lesson is to meditate and spiritually rise above the stress!

A leading French philosopher has defined globalization as interdependence without solidarity. As a person raised in Catholic French-Canadian culture, my perception is that solidarity is currently an unknown concept in the English-speaking world. Maybe the point of this viral crisis is to rediscover it.

I just saw Chuck Schumer on MSNBC propose two workers on the board of each company receiving a bailout. That would be a start. It is the rule in Germany for every company since World War II.

Has it occurred to anyone that DJT simply doesn’t make it to November? A lot can happen between now and then. He could be a non-issue before the end of the year, and it could happen much sooner than anyone believes.

I watched A Bag of Marbles tonight.
It ripped my heart out and made me cry like a baby.
A tour de force celebrating humanity and the will to survive.



I pray for DJT’s ouster, for his good and the good of all. He is the embodiment of everything awful and repugnant in our national psyche. His ilk thrives amongst us and is far more lethal and destructive than COVID-19. Trump is COVID-45.

I like what Ralfee had to say too. Thanks ja.

Buckeye, Linda G the psychic suggested that possibility and a couple of astrology addicts here at Starlight News have suggested Trump might not make it to the end of his term.

I have reviewed some of the new cycles that began in the recent past and the short cycle between Mercury and Jupiter bears another look IMO.

On January 2, 2020 they joined up at 7 Capricorn 03 and the transiting South Node at 8+ Cap opposite the North Node at 8+ Cancer, but what got my attention was Venus (values) and Heracles (strength) at 16+ Aquarius trine Juno (partner and defender of the disenfranchised) at 17+ Libra (where US progressed Mars and US Constitution Neptune, and Trump’s natal Jupiter are too) trine transiting Pandora (opening a box of ills) and Trump’s natal Uranus at 17+ Gemini.

This grand trine is significantly in play now, but trans. Pandora (+ Trump’s Uranus) in Gemini were also square transiting Neptune (nebulous, unseen) at 16+ Pisces which was opposite the Uranus -Pluto cycle start point at 16+ Virgo which began in the ’60’s.

That Neptune in the January 2020 Jupiter-Mercury cycle, in it’s potent T-square with Pandora in the same chart (which was in a grand trine with Venus and Juno) and opposite the Virgo Uranus-Pluto conjunction of the mid ’60’s, could give us depth understanding as to what the Corona virus message is about and when it will cease. This Mercury-Jupiter cycle will end on January 11, 2021.

Basically Uranus is about breakthroughs and in Virgo that could be health related. Pluto is symbolic of death and rebirth and in Virgo that could be about perfecting the wellness systems (hospitals, insurance, etc.). Tear it down and start over.

This cycle is short and focuses on communication and education – the Big Picture Jupiter (pandemic) and the Small Details Mercury (face masks), and it is for all countries, not just the US.

I wonder how the voters will view the ideas and plans of Bernie and Elizabeth once the Neptunian smoke clears.

Will re. your comment, “Don’t mean to be snarky, but I find it strange that there is so very little reporting coming from Russia regarding COVID” – agreed on that, but it’s not surprising when you think about Putin. He has a hold on Russian society and keeps it with fear. It’s no different in China and other authoritarian countries – look at the way they treat scientists who dare to speak out.

Why would they air their nation’s linen on the media stage? Why tell the world about their situations with Covid 19? There is nothing in it for them and it’s not exactly news that they don’t care about their people. They won’t tell the truth. They won’t anything at all. Shut it down. Radio silence.

Trump would do it too, if he could get away with it. Besides, it scares the *..* out of people to learn the truth about almost any serious thing, at the best of times – then you have to make responsible decisions – for yourself. The effort is to minimize/ keep the blinders on.

Thank goodness, Trump can’t get away with it entirely. We may not have the whole truth and nothing but the truth, but at least we have something resembling it. That’s as good as it gets. I say believe nothing about what goes on in authoritarian countries and dictatorships. Also take what you read or hear in N. America with a big grain of salt.


The notion that DJT might not finish his term has occurred to several on the blog here. I personally half expect he might actually die in office, perhaps of the coronavirus. I hope it doesn’t happen however, as I don’t want to see him become a martyr, or his death lead to any conspiracy theories.

Furthermore, I regard Mr. Pence as more dangerous than Trump. I don’t want him to succeed 45. I want that crazy, but much slicker than the Donald creep as far away from power as possible.

Another point. DJT is a great motivator for Dems to turn out and vote in November. If he’s gone will they turn out in as great numbers? But we may not have an election in November anyway. Trump may use covid 19 as an excuse to declare martial law.

Will, good one — Trump, Covid-45.

Coronavirus pandemic: How South Korea trounced US in race to test people for Covid-19

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/coronavirus-pandemic-how-south-korea-trounced-us-in-race-to-test-people-for-covid-19-1657446-2020-03-19 via @indiatoday

Factoids: Trump’s progressed MC is 4 Leo, squared by transiting Uranus right now at 4 Taurus (at a minimum this is lots to do, but also mirrors his fact-twisting changes of stands on the COVID-19 pandemic); his prog Asendant is 29 Liba, exactly sextile his natal Asc at 29 Leo, which gives full liberty to express that natal Asc, with exaggerated flamboyance and a willingness to state whatever facts “sell” in the moment; and transiting Saturn at 29 Cap is square that prog Asc, which hopefully means his lying self will be exposed to the public and he will be held accountable.
This statement by Don Lemon is a case in point:
“Trump is Gaslighting You” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYUP95sw1IM&t=305s

Tomorrow’s Mars-Jupiter conjunction/new cycle start has Moon conjunct Ceres in Aquarius which looks to focus on the restaurant industry since both Ceres and Moon symbolize nourishment and nurturing.

New Discussion thread up:


“What others see as Joe Biden’s Mental Slips, I see as the work of a master stutterer”


Leave a response

Your response: