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I will Christen this extension. Thank you, Nancy!

Thank you, Nancy!

For barbk and Will,

I contacted Lorna and she said I could send her entire report this one time.

5D Report Special Edition 2020 Forecast “The Great Reset”

Lorna Bevan MA MBACP
Hare in the Moon Astrology

w: http://www.hareinthemoonastrology.co.uk
f: Hare in the Moon Astrology on Facebook

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So glad you’re back Nancy and glad I checked in one more time; all’s well that ends well.

Thanks ja, I may not get ANY sleep tonight though!!

Re: the “mega conjunction” on January 12 opposite the US natal Mercury, the Press is being overwhelmed already with data that reveals corruption in the US government beyond belief. How about that “call list”! The polls taken almost daily will track the changes in the US masses once the Saturn-Pluto conjunction is exact and that new cycle gets going.

There are 3 points in their conjunction chart that everyone should be aware of.

1. The US progressed Saturn (institutions) at 2+ Scorpio retrograde will be opposed by transiting Uranus (breakthroughs) at 2+ Taurus retrograde when Saturn and Pluto conjoin on Dec. 12. The chart ascendant for this conjunction, when set in Washington DC, is 2+ Taurus and Uranus (shock and awe) will be there. Opposite them, at 2+ Scorpio is the descendant of this chart . . AND the US progressed Saturn (government rules).

I believe this opposition in this chart symbolizes the point in US history where the US government goes through a revolutionary (Uranus) change in almost all its institutions (Saturn). The cycle between Saturn and Pluto is over 30 years long.

2. The Saturn-Pluto conjunction chart’s Venus (values) at 28+ Aquarius (conjunct US natal Moon at 27+ Aquarius) sextiles the same chart’s Pallas (plans and strategies) at 27+ Sagittarius (conjunct the Galactic Core) and both Venus and Pallas are quincunx the US Constitution chart’s Uranus at 29+ Cancer. This Yod symbolizes the coming (shocking) changes in the US Constitution over the coming 30+ years.

3. The Washington DC based Saturn-Pluto conjunction chart’s Moon at 17+ Leo is at the apex of a Yod with Neptune (dissolution) at 16+ Pisces that sextiles the MC (outcome) at 18+ Capricorn, depicting that the US People (symbolized by the Moon in this DC based chart) will have to go through some difficult adjustments during the 30+ year cycle of Saturn and Pluto.

Of course, other countries will have a different read on this Saturn-Pluto conjunction, but for the US most of its influence appears to be aimed at it’s established values regarding its government institutions, its People and its Constitution.

It is a process, much like surgery, but without it the inherent ideals our founding fathers put their heart and soul into will fail and we can’t have that. It is our turn to redirect (US progressed Saturn opposite transiting Uranus) their dream.

Devon Nunes!

Karma is a bitch@nunes.com

Teehee.

Schadenfreude!

ja,

Mille grazie for Lorna Bevan forecast; sensational!

Ha, thank you so much!

That should have been:
Ja, thank you so much!

Right now transiting Saturn is where the MC of the chart for the Saturn-Pluto conjunction will be, when that chart is located in Washington DC. Could today’s Impeachment Inquiry meeting being held by the Judiciary Committee be an indication of the results (symbolized by the MC) of the Saturn-Pluto cycle purpose? Discussing how the US Constitution should be refined? Me thinks so.

At this moment, transiting Sun is at 12+ Sagittarius conjunct the US natal chart’s ascendant (used by Nancy) and the Sun symbolizes consciousness, while the ascendant symbolizes the entity’s (in this case, the United States) window to the world, i.e. how we see the world. Watch and learn.

I don’t know how everyone else feels, but I am deeply frightened by the attitude, content, and dubious quality of the questions and assumptions of the R. members on the Judiciary committee. The disparity does not bode well.

Comment from the times:

Legal axioms:
When the law is on your side, argue the law.
When the facts are on your side, argue the facts.
When neither the law nor the fact are on your side, argue for more time. That’s what Turley did today on behalf of the Republicans who hired him. He argued for more time. Which, in the context of legal disputes, means you simply have no case.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/04/us/politics/trump-impeachment.html

BarbK, is it how we see th world or how we want the world to see us?

Ja,

Yes, Turly. A soft spoken, always looking earnest and perplexed snake.
Jim Jordan, a screaming hysteric pretending to be a famous litigator.

I did not write the above comment posted at 8:11 PM that has my name on it, which I assume was an accident, however I am assuming it is someone commenting on my comment at 2:34 PM re: the (US natal chart) ascendant,

My answer would be definitely, IF it is my birth char ascendant, it is the lens through which I interpret the world, which shapes me and my attitude, which then affects HOW I am seen.

So I guess you could say it is both after a couple of years or 10; one’s ascendant sign is both how one sees the world and how one is seen . . not necessarily how one WANTS to be seen though. Personally, I have Pisces rising but frankly would often like to be seen as a Virgo or an Aquarian.
🙂

By the way, who are you? How were you able to use my name? Thanks for the question but it kind of freaked me out!!

My son-in-law just told us that our daughter is now doing meth. And I believe him. I knew something was up, because she’s been distancing herself from us for six weeks or so — always a bad sign she’s spiraling down.

But this is really freaking me out. She’s done a lot of drugs, but not this or heroine or opioids (not regularly or in any quantity for this one). I’ve never felt like she had a serious addiction. I think she’s self-destructive, likes to experiment and disappear from real life, but not a serious addict the way meth can grab onto people.

She’s been pretty stable for two years. I have no idea what happened, except their neighbors like meth, and she’s made friends and now hangs out there all the time.

Can someone just tell me when you think the low point will be for her? I can hang on and hope things will get better if I know how long I have to do it. 4/8/1992, 3:28 p.m., Hilton Head Is, SC.

I honestly have no idea what to do now, and I’m the one who makes the plan for how we deal with her. My husband’s a good guy, but he sits back and follows my lead with her.

Things got bad the weekend before TG. Her husband got arrested for assault. He said he was trying to drag her out of the meth house, and he and the guy there got into it when she didn’t want to leave.

She called our son on TG day and claimed her husband beats her and steals her phone so she can’t call anyone, and that she didn’t know what to do and was terrified. (Never said a word to us about any of this.) My psychiatrist has told me before that in a manic episode or when off her meds, she can be delusional.

Showed up at our house five days ago with her husband, looking fine, claiming everything was fine, hugging and kissing her husband, no bruises we could see except for his black eye from the night he got arrested.

She’s show a remarkable ability to live through all kinds of destructive crap, but I haven’t been this scared since she did some synthetic marijuana laced with something bad, and for fifteen very long minutes, it looked like she was ODing in front of us.

Eliseo… for the first time in my life, I utter words like this:

The whole republican party should be lined up, given the option of blindfolds, and shot for treason.

For someone who has tried to be helpful to anyone and anything in need and trusting of everyone until proven different, these kinds of thoughts are both disturbing and scary that they could be mine. (shiver)

The conspiracy is global, and I can’t find one republican ready to stand up for the Constitution and our Nation. This to me is speaking not to an impeachment… this is a treasonous coup against the United States. Its goal is to turn the US, Great Britain, and any other country possible, into hard right-wing Authoritarian Oligarchies, under the watchful eye of Generalissimo Putin.

How is it that our Nation’s people’s hair is not on fire?! Is everyone so complacent as to believe it can’t happen here — when it’s happening right in front of their eyes?!!! I’ve never been so disturbed as I’ve been after today’s hearing. And I didn’t even hear all of THIS one!

How about this for pure brazen behavior — Guilani is back in Ukraine! My question is what is he doing there? And more to the point, given what’s going on right now and his role in it, how is he even allowed to travel overseas?

Next question — do we have an extradition treaty with Ukraine?! Could he be shopping for a new place for him, Trump, and Co. to call home? (ha!)

Teresa Hill,

Has your daughter ever expressed a wish to stop using intoxicants? Many people who use meth are self-medicating depression and/or adhd. Unless this is just rash, impulsive/hedonistic/behavior. When was the last time she had a physical by a trained physician? Does she have an underactive thyroid? Probably needs to bottom out, unfortunately – but that’s when transformation can take hold. Light and help to you and your daughter, Teresa. She’s got an imminent exact square from Saturn to her Sun that might bring the jurisprudence system to intervene. Hopefully she and her boyfriend are not living with you at this time.

Peace and strength to you and your daughter.

Lamis,

“Yes, Turly. A soft spoken, always looking earnest and perplexed snake.” True dat!

Can’t figure the guy; at moments he appears to be casting himself as the proverbial “voice of reason.” He is very well-spoken and has pleasant voice and demeanor. What bothered me most was his use of the word “paucity” to describe the “waver-thin” evidence about Swamp Ass’s culpability for bribery and/or criminal behavior; made me want to reach through the flat-screen and wring his velvety-smooth voice box.

Will,

She’s been on add meds since high school, on meds for bi polar disorder for about four years. She drinks some, smokes pot, and she’s always been happy to try most any drug, but not stuff like meth or heroine. I’ve never felt like she had serious addiction issues, just self medicating and rebellious.

She saw her gynecologist maybe 8 months ago, but I don’t know about a regular check up.

She’s been mostly stable for two years, same psychiatrist and counselor, same meds. I have no idea what sent her spiraling down.

Teresa Hill,
My prayers are with you, your daughter, your son-in-law, your whole family. It’s clear the situation will take time to resolve into something more healthy and surely involves a great amount of stress and patience. Maybe it’s time to seek professional advice and maybe Intervention?
Light & love filled blessings to you and yours.

Lamis,

Re: Turly

Quintessentially smarmy

Hey slightkc!
I empathize & relate completely. The behavior of the Rs IS pretty shocking, but sadly not surprising. My thinking partner, a former Republican, has long said the R party as a whole needs to be prosecuted under the RICO act. He has long maintained the current R party has morphed into a criminal organization, sharing some attributes with the mafia.

Someone pointed out to me today Trump has never faced trial. He’s always settled, paid the fines and moved on. I think the very best possible scenario would be for Trump to abandon his post, to quietly transfer his wealth to his destination, and just as quietly fly off to his country of choice, some place with no extradition treaty with the USA, AND refuse to return.

That would be so shocking to his constituents, and perhaps dissuade them from their heroic fantasies of him. No violence, but under threat of conviction in the Senate, and/or indictments in the courts to just suddenly leave and refuse to return. Were he to abandon the nation without a word, I think his constituents might spiritually return the favor..

Eliseo, you might be onto something there! I hadn’t thought about it that way, but it could be a way to shake some of the cult members free of the thrall.

Guys… I’m having an insomnia night… and saw something so disturbing on TV, I had to jump on here while it was fresh in my mind.

Was watching TNT.. first commercial break after the start of “Charmed.”

For a split second between the 1st and 2nd commercial, an image flashed on the screen. It was like a line drawing… a baby crawling across the screen… with the words “PREBORN” above it.

To me, it was an attempt (not so well done) at subliminal programming… but I’ve never seen it before now. Has anyone else seen anything like this?

I’m often trying to go to sleep about this time so I usually catch an episode or two of Charmed before I fall asleep (if I do). This is the first time I’ve seen this, tho!

Weird… and even weirder, I just heard a military helicopter go overhead, that’s not usual, either. Okay… who’s got my tinfoil hat! I think it’s gonna be one of those days! (LOL)

Nancy Pelosi is scheduled to make a special announcement on the impeachment investigation at 9 am this morning….

We were looking at the December 5th date earlier. Here’s a brief observation on the aspects that were written:

“….. the astrological aspects indicate the presidents legal standing may not be in a favorable position. The December 5th chart (12 noon Washington DC) has Mars at 10 Scorpio in sesqui-square to Neptune (15 Pisces). Both planets are in harsh aspect to Trump’s natal Pluto (10 Leo).”

Wild speculation of course, but…. will Pelosi announce the indictment of Giuliani? Why on earth is Rudy Giuliani currently in Ukraine of all places? No one seems to know. Is he trying to avoid a possible arrest? Tr. Uranus at 3 Taurus is in square to Giuliani’s natal Mars – 3 Leo.

Admittedly, the idea that Giuliani is facing imminent indictment is open to wild speculation. Pelosi’s announcement could very well be just a routine update on the impeachment status quo. Nevertheless the idea is intriguing…….

Will Rudy Giuliani Be the Next Trump Associate to Be Indicted?

Rolling Stone

Against the backdrop of the impeachment inquiry, federal prosecutors are investigating the president’s personal attorney for a variety of financial crimes.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/rudy-giuliani-ukraine-energy-company-investigation-913417/

Trump Is Waging War on America’s Diplomats

A diplomat was fired for just mentioning @BarackObama in a speech!

“And the impeachment inquiry is only making things worse. With new figures and fresh horror stories, Julia Ioffe reports on how the president is politicizing our embassies, alienating our allies, and decimating the ranks of the foreign service.”

https://t.co/FQgt7Gyab6?amp=1

Eliseo: I like your scenario and hope it is true.

Moon VOC today so I hope there are no major developments in impeachment today

Republicans argue that Democrats have been trying to impeach Donald Trump since Day One

I would argue that Donald Trump has been trying to impeach himself since Day One.

He was showing his scofflaw tactics even before he was inaugurated. His disregard for the Constitution and the law were on full display for all to see.

When he hired Paul Manafort, red flags went up all over. When he fired James Comey and publicly attacked the FBI and the “deep state”, he was well on his way to impeaching himself. In fact, Nancy Pelosi once stated that Donald Trump would “self-impeach”.

Mr Trump truly believed that Article II permitted him to do whatever he wanted, without any guidelines or rules of law.

Now, the Republicans are accusing the Democrats of wanting to impeach Donald Trump since Day One. It’s all about politics because they lost the election in 2016, they say.

The truth of the matter is that the Republicans controlled the House, Senate, and the White House up to March of this year, when the Democrats took control of the House, after Trump’s government shutdown.

But, that never slowed down Mr Trump. He continued his reckless and lawless ways and now he is going to be impeached.

It’s about time.

https://democraticunderground.com/100212753790

“He wanted to ban feeding homeless people. Now he’s about to lead a federal homeless agency – Democratic Underground

A consultant known for urging cities to stop “enabling” homeless people, in part by blocking charities from handing out food, has been tapped to lead the agency that coordinates the federal government’s response to homelessness.

Robert Marbut, who has worked with several cities, including Fresno and several other California cities and counties, would succeed Matthew Doherty as executive director of the U.S. Interagency Council on Homelessness.

Doherty, an Obama administration appointee, was ousted by the Trump administration last month. On Wednesday, Gov. Gavin Newsom announced that Doherty will serve as a new advisor to California, helping the state create a federal advocacy agenda on homelessness. ”

https://democraticunderground.com/10142403700 vi

slightkc,

“How is it that our Nation’s people’s hair is not on fire?! Is everyone so complacent as to believe it can’t happen here — when it’s happening right in front of their eyes?!!!”

I was thinking about this yesterday as I was listening to the hearings and it occurred to me that we political junkies pay extraordinary attention to politics and all that is going on in our nation but for millions and millions of Americans, they have no idea what is even happening. I remember when this process started and it didn’t have a lot of support in the electorate, many pundits were pointing to the Nixon hearings and how by the end of the hearings the support was overwhelming. But, that was in the 1970’s and there was no cable TV or internet or social media and there were only 3 major networks, all carrying the hearings live and there was a much more collective life experience then, everyone engaged together in watching of the hearings and it was the main topic of conversation in households every evening. We now live in a world were i assure you there are millions and millions of people who haven’t listened to one word of any testimony or read anything about what’s happening and are completely oblivious. I am reminded of the phrase, “the opposite of love is not hate, it’s indifference” and the fact that so many Americans have checked out, is to me the most dangerous situation of all.

” . . .there are millions and millions of people who haven’t listened to one word of any testimony or read anything about what’s happening and are completely oblivious.”

Elizabeth, this may be a big part of the Saturn-Pluto et al. opposition to US natal Mercury; we have now expanded our selection of viewing material (ruled by Mercury) to the point that people are over stimulated, making many of them numb to what’s going on in the world outside their own cocoon.

It is possible, just possible, that this conjunction between Saturn-Pluto, along with Ceres (Mother Nature), and along with the Sun (consciousness) and others will rivet the attention of US citizens on watching and reading about some act of nature (Ceres); a collective event, shown on many channels at the same time.

Transiting Uranus (shock, unexpected) will be on the ascendant (in-your-face) of the Saturn-Pluto conjunction chart that’s set in Washington DC, and this Uranus will oppose the US PROGRESSED Saturn (reality, structures, serious stuff) that will conjunct the descendant of the Saturn-Pluto conjunction chart. For the US, transiting Uranus will make headlines during the reign of the Saturn-Pluto cycle.

Of note is the Moon in this same chart – at the apex of a Yod with the sextile between the chart’s MC (outcome) and Neptune (confusion-water-compassion). This will force Moon to adjust to something difficult.

That Moon will be in the US natal chart’s 8th house of shared resources (like money, nat’l parks, food, protection, etc.) at the time of the Saturn-Pluto conjunction on January 12.

I remind you that on 9-11 transiting Pluto was on the US natal chart ascendant opposite transiting Saturn on the US natal chart descendant. This is different, but an opposition from an outer planet in transit to any Saturn (either transit, natal, progressed) in any chart will get attention, especially when on the ascendant-descendant.

This particular opposition between trans. Uranus to US progressed Saturn is on the ascendant-descendant of a chart of the cycle start between Saturn and Pluto when it is set in Washington DC. It won’t be unnoticed.

Thus, US natal Mercury, being opposite the transiting Pluto-Saturn + Ceres + Sun + Mercury will be bombarded with the energy of this massive in-your-face moment in time. Everyone will be watching the same thing. Thanks for sharing your thoughts Elisabeth.

What I saw yesterday was terrifying. Even if Trump leaves at this point, it’s going to take something drastic to turn the republican party, and this country around. Too many are brainwashed…

Electoral reform is essential to the survival of this country. The two-party system needs to be busted up, and additional parties must be allowed to compete in order to undermine the power of the GOP.

Barbk,

Thank you for that astrological breakdown, I wish I understood the deep complexities of astrology the way you and others here do. Thank you for all you do here to help us novices get a better understanding and making sense of it all.

“Impeachment should be broadened to include 10 clear obstruction counts included in the Mueller Report and the campaign finance violations on the hush money that Michael Cohen is currently in jail for! It doesn’t get any easier to understand then his co-conspirator is in jail now!”

https://twitter.com/cenkuygur/status/1201988494773510144?s=20

Here in San Diego,
Duncan Hunter, (R- CA) after years of denial, obfuscation and blaming others, including his own wife, has finally pleaded guilty to felony campaign charges. Though he may face five years in prison, he has no plans to step down from office and yet Darrell Issa, (remember him) made it official he is running in Hunter’s congressional seat.

BarbK, Cest moi. I don’t know how I did that. Obviously, I mistakenly put your name where I should have put mine. So sorry and thanks for the reply.

Re melania’s nonsensical ‘be best’ phrase: It just occurred to me that she is right in sync with her husbands up-is-down modus operandi. Words suitably chosen to vague and comprehended in the eye of the beholder, are actually right in line with the dictator mode – “to get the better of, outdo, surpass”

I read somewhere that rudy’s latest ukraine trip is to do with him putting together a film to push the conspiracy theory. I wonder if filmmaker propagandist bannon is somehow in the mix.

CNN is now saying that Giuliani threatens to release dirt on Biden “very soon” – he has just made a surprise Ukraine trip. I wonder if it has any substance to it. If so, it could unravel Biden’s candidacy.

Bernie leads in California.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-12-05/democrats-2020-race-california-poll

And Hillary is considering another run. She says she would beat Trump again.

https://nypost.com/2019/12/04/hillary-clinton-drops-biggest-hint-yet-that-shes-mulling-a-2020-presidential-run/

The Democratic race is becoming seriously screw-ball.

Sharon K,
I’m not in the least worried Mr.G has anything substantive on any of the Bidens. They are making it up as they go. Mr.G will likely be going to jail soon after he returns.

Andre,
Screwball indeed!
I’m afraid Hillary entering the race would fracture the Dems.

Andre that link about Hillary running is from the NY Post – another one of the murdoch empire propaganda rags. I suspect it is a planted story designed to agitate, based on nothing more than speculation from her being interviewed by howard stern. From recent interviews I have seen she has not indicated the remotest intention to run

I agree, kiwi.

Eliseo, I sure hope not.

Here is a comment I agree with from the nyt’s:

“It’s funny to me that many folks voted for Trump in order to “shake things up,” but they simultaneously believe there will be no consequences or accountability for him acting unpresidential. They seem to think that millions of Americans should not think for themselves about the POTUS’s abuses of power and instead follow Trump like brainless sheep, supporting him regardless of how he acts and what lies and nonsense comes out of his loud mouth. This impeachment is what checks and balances look like when a president truly believes the rules and the law do not apply to him. I fully support an impeachment of this out of control president. It’s not about the 2016 election–which Trump lost by 3 million votes–it’s about making sure that Donald Trump understands he is not above the law.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/05/us/politics/pelosi-impeachment.html

Thanks Banks!

I agree too ja, but I don’t think sheep, even brainless sheep would follow Trump. Sheep have instincts.

found an old article in The Hill that explains it? What do you think?

““The idea of Trumpnosis is being able to sow the seeds of persuasion, suggestion and ideas en masse to other people.”

The triggers, according to Barker, a former police detective who’s worked and performed as a hypnotist for more than two decades, are always the same: “It’s always identifying the problem, identifying another problem and then verbalizing the solutions to the point that people need the solutions.”

Barker gives an example of what he means. “If I said to you, ‘It’s a beautiful day outside, isn’t it?’ It’s an undeniable truth. You’re more than likely to say ‘yeah’ because if you say ‘no,’ then I can come back with, ‘What’s wrong with you?’ ”

The London-born hypnotist says since Trump is “not a very good public speaker” compared to seasoned politicians, he falls back on “future pacing” repetitive words and phrases that hypnotize his supporters. Barker lists “when I’m your next president,” “America was once great” and “we need to fight those that are taking our country away from us” among Trump’s go-tos.

“I teach hypnosis, and if you want to learn hypnosis, look at the way Trump’s doing it,” says Barker, author of the book “Selling Hypnotically: The Art of Suggestion.”

“He creates expectations, which is you know what you’re going to get. He gets his audience to visualize, which is part of a hypnotic trance. He gets them to visualize two problems, then he gets them [to] nod their heads three or four times for solutions.

“He does all the things that a hypnotist would do when you’re hypnotizing somebody.”

Kiwi,

from another source, a former Clinton adviser says she will run if Biden drops out.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/former-bill-clinton-adviser-hillary-feels-god-put-her-on-earth-to-be-president-but-one-thing-is-keeping-her-from-running-2019-10-28

Andre, and here’s another story outlining how opportunistic dick morris is decidedly anti hillary. Cant imagine hes close to the horses mouth in any way shape or form. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/10/style/hillary-clinton-dick-morris-national-enquirer-donald-trump.html

To understand Nancy Pelosi’s extraordinary public announcements and her response to the fake journalist today you need to consider her natal Aries Sun at 5+ Aries, ruled by her natal Mars at 25+ Taurus which conjuncts Trump’s MC at 24+ Taurus. It is the slow-to-react to provocation Taurus Mars that lends much dignity to this lady’s demeanor.

Pelosi’s natal Moon in Scorpio, probably between 13 to 19 degrees of Scorpio trines her natal Mercury at 17+ Pisces which trines her natal Chiron at 14+ Cancer. Transiting Mars is nearing her Moon in Scorpio, trans. Neptune is near her natal Mercury and the US natal Sun in Cancer is one degree from her natal Chiron.

There is then a natal grand trine in her birth chart and the US natal Sun is also experiencing the same energy from the transits of Mars and Neptune. Grand trines are powerful patterns and when the planets or points are in water signs the energy is emotionally driven.

She’s on a roll.

barbk,

Re: Pelosi

“She’s on a roll.”

We can hope

Dick Morris – yeeeck!

https://www.facebook.com/colbertlateshow/videos/1015894492097827/
Dont mess around with Nancy

BarbK, maybe it’s my Sun on Scorpio that admires Nancy P’s Scorpio Moon but she is my heroine right now. And Kiwi, thanks for that video. I loved it!

There is an economic theory of impeachment. When Nixon went, it was a time of economic shocks, oil embargo, runaway infaltion and the like. The economy was tanking.

The Clinton impeachment was in prosperous times, so it failed. The economy is good right now too, even if some fear a recession some time. This would favor Trump.

It’s the economy, stupid.

There is truth to what you are saying, Andre. I hope the economy does well but there is the possibility that it’s propped up in a way that won’t always work. I’m torn! Don’t want people to suffer — yet I don’t want Trump to get credit!

Bob, your comment on the last thread re: the possibility of Pence taking the Oval office this month made me think about the lunar eclipse and the Uranus station-direct just before the Saturn-Pluto conjunction next month.

Transiting Neptune will be one degree away from a conjunction to Pelosi’s natal Mercury at that time. What if she were to offer a get-out-of-jail card to Trump, out of compassion (Neptune)? Could he just leave a note on the Oval Office saying bye bye Miss American pie?

The eclipsed full moon chart has transiting Jupiter (foreign countries) and transiting South Node (release what no longer works) opposite Trump’s natal Mercury (fast getaway) and transiting North Node (path forward).

This would seem appropriate action for a cornered rat at the time of an eclipsed Moon that opposes the Sun and squares the US natal Chiron (painful situation) opposite the US natal Juno (partner who is seen as less equal and for Trump that could be Pelosi); it is a grand cross dilemma.

Hours later transiting Uranus would station direct and SURPRISE! The rat has left the building!

The next day transiting Saturn and Pluto conjunct and a new 30+ year cycle begins.

Banks, she’s my heroine too.

Further influence of Nancy Pelosi’s role in this drama can be seen in the present cycle between Saturn-Pluto, soon to end on January 12th. You may remember that that cycle began on Nov. 7, 1982, when Saturn and Pluto at 27+ Libra were sextile Neptune (25+ Sagittarius) and the Galactic Core (26+ Sagittarius).

These two conjunctions that were sextile each other formed a Yod to the transiting Chiron at 25+ Taurus which was conjunct Nancy Pelosi’s natal Mars, also at 25+ Taurus.

She was Chair of the California Democratic Party at the time of the 1982 Saturn-Pluto conjunction and it must have influenced her decision to run for the House of Reps – that trans. Chiron conjunct her natal Mars. Her Mars also conjuncts Trump’s MC at 24+ Taurus.

Over the last few years transiting Sedna has been conjunct or near Nancy’s natal Mars, including election day in 2016. Sedna symbolizes the abuse of women by men in power, among other things, and trans. Sedna was conjunct Nancy Pelosi’s natal Mars when Trump was elected.

Unconsciously, in 1982, Pelosi was being urged to take a stand against the dying patriarchal society’s belief that women are inferior to men. Since Trump is a perfect example of this dying culture and because a new culture of equality has now begun, it was destined that Nancy and Donald would symbolize this clash of ideologies. No wonder so many of us love her.

So then, the Saturn-Pluto cycle that began in 1982 is still functioning, what with its Chiron, the healer who teaches through wounding, puts Pelosi’s natal Mars (a natal Mars that conjuncts her natal Venus and natal Uranus) through its paces, a natal Mars that also trines her natal Neptune in healing Virgo (which happens to conjunct the US natal Neptune!), I believe her when she says she prays for the bastard because Neptune symbolizes compassion.

You go girl.

barbk, I don’t think tRump is yet willing to give up. It just isn’t in him to face the consequences for his actions – he will have to be forced to beg for a deal. And I think that will happen. This month and next there are so many strings of dates I wrote about earlier that I am glad I posted about them.

I had never posted Rudy G’s chart anywhere except for the White House or Capitol Building util this evening when I decided to locate it to Kiev (I suspected he was positioning himself to evade possible confinement in the U.S.). The relocation yields an MC of 194°11′ with Sibly Saturn at 194°36′ on it and the West Point at 104°11′ with Sibly Sun at 104°29′ on it. Given the situation I believe I have a correct chart for Rudy – a chart I first speculated years ago for New York.

Another chart from years past is the one I did for Chief Justice John Roberts. Located to the Supreme Court Building It has an MC at 293°25′ . That is within 1 degree of the conjunction Of the transiting Sun, Saturn, and Pluto in January.

Then I find that Linda G also thinks Rudy is over there for the same reason as I do.

Great comments above, folks, but it’ll be a cold day in Stalingrad before Rudi leaves the US to hide out in Russia. Not a chance. He’s over there brokering something else – maybe for himself, but probably more so to cover DT’s butt. Even in his days of discredit (now), Rudi is still remembered as a popular NY mayor in a very tough time (911) and there are plenty of people who remember it. No, Rudi is going to be just fine and undoubtedly there are many people who are in the same boat he is, who will want to protect him (and themselves). Wait for it – you hear it first – Rudi will get some kind of accolade from DT before it’s over – maybe a medal. Crazy days, but I believe that’s how it will go.

Andre,

We have had a mere 3 impeachments prior to this one in the history of the US. I don’t think that sample size can statistically come anything close to proving a causal relationship between the state of the economy and the outcome of U.S. Presidential Impeachments

I find it interesting, (and about time) that respected journalists are finally getting around to using the word treason in their op-Ed’s and reporting.
Former Republican, Rick Wilson is not the only one. Their numbers are growing. It’s going to be a nasty election.

The Traitors Among Us, by Rick Wilson
published in Rolling Stone.

Sorry. This device won’t let me copy & paste the website.

Link to Eliseo’s post article:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/traitors-donald-trump-republican-party-922194/

Adam Schiff data:

https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Schiff,_Adam

Schiff, Adam Gender: M
Birthname Adam Bennett Schiff
born on 22 June 1960 at 06:13 (= 06:13 AM )
Place Framingham, Massachusetts, 42n17, 71w25
Timezone EDT h4w (is daylight saving time)
Data source
Quoted BC/BR
Rodden Rating AA
Collector: Craft

Beowulfie due to gentrification and turn over most of the folks in NYC are under the age of 40 and as such have no direct memory of 9/11 or Rudy Giuliani.

Rudy wasn’t fondly remembered by many minorities who were around at that time due to his policies (he was popular in places like staten island). And I don’t even think the Republican party outside of NYC had much regard for him which is why his Presidential bid really crashed and died in 2008 (which was only 7 years after 9/11).

My guess is that his best hope is a pardon from Trump, yet Michael Cohen is waiting for that as well.But I wouldn’t be surprised if he does time (although I couldn’t see him skipping away).

I gather from the following article, there is a vote expected in the U.S. House Judiciary Committee the middle of next week and then it will be submitted for a full House vote the following week? It’s a bit confusing……

Exclusive: U.S. House Panel Could Vote On Trump Impeachment By December 12

Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The Democratic-led U.S. House Judiciary Committee could vote as early as next Thursday to recommend formal impeachment charges against President Donald Trump for a full vote by the House of Representatives, according to two people knowledgeable about the impeachment process.

The sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the committee’s plan has not yet been formalized, said the panel was expected to move on charges known as articles of impeachment no later than early in the following week.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-charges-exclusi/exclusive-us-house-panel-could-vote-on-trump-impeachment-by-december-12-idUSKBN1Y926I

Anyway, as a refresher, I posted this in Starlightnews November 18th……

“Back in September I posted Evon Davis’s youtube segment entitled “The End of Trump’s Presidency?”. She focuses in on the December 12th Full Moon (19 ’52 Gemini) pointing out that this Full Moon straddles Trump’s Nodes/Sun and Moon axis. December 12th also happens to be the last day Congress convenes before going on its three week winter recess (congress will reconvene in early January). Will Articles of Impeachment be presented to congress for a vote at this time? How will Trump react? It’s a fascinating analysis. Here’s the link……

Video: 19 min 47 sec

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VomNLe6VTHc

Using John Wayne and my own Email address yielded “Your comment is awaiting moderation.”

Using Eliseo and my own Email address posted.

Apparently anyone can post anything as long as they use the name of a past poster regardless of having to use their own Email address.

Does not explain why my posts using my own name and Email address yielded “Your comment is awaiting moderation.” on December 1.

Marjorie Orr:

“The heavyweight Saturn Pluto conjunction in Capricorn marks the start of the coming decade. It brings to a climax the slow grind of Pluto through Capricorn since 2008, collapsing old financial and governmental systems. Where the 2010s was a decade of turmoil with the disruptive Uranus square Pluto causing havoc and throwing everything up in the air, now comes the serious business of trying to put new pieces together. Uranus Pluto clears the decks of what no longer works but can be chaotically destructive since it often neglects to think about what comes next. Saturn, the builder, comes along to instill more order and structure, not necessarily with compassion or sentiment, but it will attempt to lay more solid foundations for the future.”

https://star4cast.com/

I tried to replicate what banks says happened when she(?) posted using someone else’s name.

I used John Wayne (not a poster to this site) first to see if message would post. Then I tried again using Eliseo’s name (poster to this site) to see if that would go through.

In both cases the email address was mine.

Now the name addy thing is not working. I have a screenshot of this segment.

Bless you Bob for this experiment. Sorry John Wayne isn’t a poster here but finding out we can post anything under a name of a regular or even an infrequent poster – using our own email address – is awkward. I would check in with Nancy to see if she can’t see why your own name – Bob – is being hung up in moderation. Not that we wouldn’t recognize your style!!!

“By: Banks on December 5th, 2019
at 1:38 pm

BarbK, Cest moi. I don’t know how I did that. Obviously, I mistakenly put your name where I should have put mine. So sorry and thanks for the reply.”

Really? At first worked today (was later scrubbed), the did not after I posted test results with an example. Someone with control is watching, showing what is to their advantage.

Trumpian.

This is important to all who post and/or read here.

two thought just occurred to me:
Is rudy still desperate for money and is that part of why he went to ukraine? Is he being paid by trump or someone else?
And, trumps lawyer, jay sekulow birthdate june 10 1956 NY, no time, shows he has a juno lillith conjunction at 20+cap. Any thoughts as to what the future holds for this shady character? Is there any penalty for lawyers who aid and abet criminals?

Wil, it’s a theory. I never said it was proven.

That said, I believe many people’s blind loyalty to dictators or authoritarian leaders is economic. Germans loved Hitler’s autobahns and Volkswagens. Mussolini made the trains run on time. Erdogan brought good economic times to Turkey for a while. To people who believe reality is strictly material, all that matters is bread on the table and a bank account. Democracy is optional.

In a recent poll, 43% of Republicans would support a dictatorship. This is what you would expect under a Saturn-Pluto conjunction in Capricorn. While the economic explanation is not exclusive, I think it plays an important role.

The state of the economy is Trump’s primary asset. It could explain the failure of impeachment and the fanatical support of his base. It could also bring continued electoral success until the anticipated world recession kicks in.

Andre, “To people who believe reality is strictly material, all that matters is bread on the table and a bank account. Democracy is optional.”

Amen.

From Frank Bruni:

“There’s a lot to this primary that’s more complicated than meets the eye, a lot that explodes assumptions. According to the polling so far, voters aren’t drawn to candidates whose demographic profiles overlap with theirs. Biden’s support from black Democrats in a national Quinnipiac poll late last month was more than eight times what Harris’s or Booker’s was. He and Sanders do exponentially better among Latinos than Julián Castro does. Sanders, not Buttigieg, has the advantage among Democrats under the age of 35. And many gay Democrats have rejected Buttigieg as inadequately progressive and even insufficiently gay.
So if identity group, electability, media bias and personal wealth aren’t the secrets to success, what are? I think we’re learning yet again that there’s no tidy, trusty formula. But broad name recognition among engaged voters — which Biden, Sanders and, to a lesser extent, Warren all had at the outset — is an enormous asset. So are a sales pitch and brand, like Buttigieg’s, that are distinct from any other contender’s.

Finally, there’s political acumen. There’s raw talent. The last Democratic president, Barack Obama, had plenty of it. The next Democratic president will, too.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/07/opinion/sunday/kamala-harris-democrats-2020.html

Might be a game changer – on Michael Bloomberg’s campaign – both the campaign and the money behind it:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/newssearch/?datefilter=All%20Since%202005&query=mike-bloombergs-money-buys-him-a-very-different-kind-of-campaign&sort=Relevance

Hi Andre,

“Its the economy, Stupid.”

It came across as if you were all in with that “theory;” emphatic – like is was a slam-dunk.

Sometimes I sense a dominant tone to your rhetoric. Its certainly acceptable as long as you are okay with feedback that might not align with your position.

kiwi,

“Any thoughts as to what the future holds for this shady character? Is there any penalty for lawyers who aid and abet criminals?”

Yes, motor lubricant

bob,

Could 45 and Putin’s operatives be revenge-hacking your email?

Will, the phrase, “It’s the economy, stupid” became a catchphrase in Bill Clinton’s era (Wikipedia: …is a phrase coined by James Carville in 1992. It is usually mistakenly rendered as “It’s the economy, stupid.” Carville was a strategist in Bill Clinton’s successful 1992 presidential campaign against incumbent George H. W. Bush.)

The phrase rang a lot of bells at the time politically, probably because it is true that the economy is the fundamental thing that underlies all politics. At least it is pretty much acknowledged as such now by all parties.

The phrase is simple and blunt and has stayed remarkably constant in its meaning – it’s hard to twist it around much (which is the mark of a good slogan). I don’t think anyone can object to it in comparison to the wild and crazy things being said daily these days, to exhaustion. It was emphatic then, and still is.

There’s nothing wrong in that and everyone is entitled to view such things from his or her own perspective. Please let’s not impute ill will where there is none (at least imo).

Sorry – I didn’t mean that last bit as a pun – please take no offense, Will!

NO Will. The mentally disturbed coward is home grown.

Beowulfie,

Beowulfie; I lived through the “Its the economy, Stupid” campaign. I never liked the slogan myself but it has become an oft-used political jab.

I make all kinds of blunders, Beowulfie – so I am not offended. When one paints with broad, emphatic strokes, it usually catches my eye.

No hard feelings, Andre, truly.

bob,

Sorry about your email obstructions; appears as if your posting finally got through.

Only after I posted that I was going to post my screen grabs of the entire segment elsewhere, will.

When I said the perp was home grown I suspected it was Hillary because she knows about those things but after careful consideration I now believe it was Ukraine hoping to extort money from me.

I was struck today by the reports that a million people where out again in Hong Kong. This is also what we need to do, but it hard to always figure it out. I stumbled across this and it seems like a good way to be heard. Hopefully it grows so that there will be somewhere local for everyone to go and be heard.
https://www.trumpisnotabovethelaw.org/event/impeach-and-remove/search/?fbclid=IwAR14Oha3Bwzm_eFFfYvninPZgUY6EacEjhbCotAz0cdpwOdVv-1hxOPf_NE

The December 12 Full Moon, exact just after midnight in DC next Thursday, is complex. There are several patterns made up of transiting planets combined with US planets, 2 of which include the US natal Sun at 13+ Cancer. One is a grand trine with transiting Neptune and transiting Mars.

The other is with transiting Vesta in Taurus (which is sextile US Sun) along with the transiting Pallas in Sagittarius (that is conjunct the Great Attractor
[GA] in Sagittarius), which the sextile of US Sun and trans. Vesta form a Yod with.

With transiting Pallas (strategy) conjunct the GA (what our galaxy is moving towards) she is having to adjust to circumstances in order to avoid extreme discomfort from the pressure coming from trans. Vesta (focus on what is invested in) and US natal Sun (US consciousness).

Transiting Vesta then is (IMO) at this time focused on values (Taurus) and in her sextile to the US Sun, it is going to be the US values specifically, one of which is freedom of speech. The Full Moon is in Gemini a sign that is nothing if not about speech.

Therefore , this Full Moon’s Pallas is “adjusting” her strategy, while also under the influence of the powerfully magnetic GA (which I believe is a drawing towards a higher consciousness for humanity).

Meanwhile, the US Sun is also participating in the grand trine with transiting Neptune (abandon boundary lines) in Pisces (abandon boundary lines) and Mars (a force to reckon with) in Scorpio (mutually shared resources) which I believe is the desire for equality, as in the equal treatment of various ethnic and religious and racial divides.

Possibly this might be referring to the loss of minority group representation in the upcoming Democrat Debates. Much more about the Thursday Full Moon later.

Neptune in Pisces is associated with compassion for the suffering of the masses in times of great inequality. In the Age of Pisces, it brought mass religions with compassion for all mankind and particularly the poor, such as Buddhism, Christianity and Islam.

In the Age of Aquarius, which may or not have begun as far back as the US Declaration of Independence, Neptune in Pisces has so far brought political religion, mainly in the form of socialism. The last time Neptune was in Pisces, in the mid-1800s, Karl Mark published his Communist Manifesto, and countless socialist parties and trade unions were born.

So it’s no surprise socialism has found a voice through Bernie Sanders and major health care reform in US political discourse in recent years. Neptune in Pisces should continue to bring a leftward tilt to US politics, but it is currently slowed by the Saturn-Pluto conjunction in more conservative, realistic and practical Capricorn.

In addition, the relation between transiting Neptune in Pisces and Neptune in Virgo in the US chart is complicated. Both are square US Mars in Gemini. Neptune in Virgo, opposed to Pisces, does not have great compassion for the masses, which is why the US is the only Western country without a public health system for all. The US, as we know, is the land of individual freedom and responsibility.

Neptune in Virgo is more about low-key service, healing, medical and lifestyle changes, which of course is what many Americans discuss constantly and export to the world. This tendency was profoundly renewed during the Uranus-Pluto conjunction in Virgo during the Sixties and Seventies. Health care is the constant number one issue in electoral campaigns.

Neptune in Virgo square Mars can also bring compassionate service through the military. US miltary power has saved the world from tyranny in Germany, Japan and the Soviet Union three times (the two world wars and the Cold War). The world still needs American security protection from Russia and China.

However, the current Neptune opposition (or semi-return) turns all this on its head. It brings at this time the worst of Neptune to the US, and indirectly to the world because of the weight of the US in world affairs. This is a weakening of the American spirit through widespread lies and deception of the people. There was similar moral uncertainty in the US in the 1840s and 1850s when Neptune was in Pisces. This confusion was only cleared by the Civil War at the time of the Uranus return.

Will history repeat itself? There is of course another Uranus return coming in the second half of the 2020s. In the shorter term, once Neptune has cleared the semi-return, the Left should be stronger for the mid-terms in 2022 and especially the presidential election in 2024 when Pluto will have entered Aquarius. This would be comparable to the election of Abraham Lincoln in 1860. As many of you know, I place great hope in whoever will be President in 2024. Maybe it will be Biden’s choice for VP.

After having lived through the last transit of Neptune in Pisces in opposition to US Neptune, Abraham Lincoln famously said: “You can fool some of the people all the time, you can fool all of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all the people all of the time.” Indeed, after the Neptune semi-return, he brought more faith and inspiration to the US and to the world than ever before, and was only equalled by FDR during the Neptune return.

This is the meaning of our time. There will be renewed faith and hope in America in a few short years, whatever happens in 2020 and, in a longer view, whatever awaits us in the Uranus return. Indeed, the Uranus return should be another opportunity for the US to show compassion through bold action once Neptune enters the sign of Aries in 2025.

Andre, very interesting analysis. I just wish we didn’t have to wait so long for a compassionate US. I’m not getting younger.
Thank you for your insight.

Will,

You called it — imminent and with police help. Three calls to the police, and finally, she threatened suicide in writing — so grateful for Facebook messenger — so we could show them a screenshot of the conversation. But she’s finally on a psych hold in a psych hospital and safe.

Thank you. It helped a lot to know it would be fast and see it unfolding with the police.

I walked up to a drug dealer’s house to find her and talk to her. Feeling pretty bad-ass about that, although I’ll admit, I didn’t even have to knock on the door. She saw me coming and walked outside before I got to the door.

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