2nd Nov, 2019

Opposing the Blight

A cool, clean breeze has been flowing over the national psyche of late, helping to dispel the noxious fumes we have been subject to for years now. This fresh, bracing scent of health comes from those who stand for country over party, and for truth and patriotism and decency over the golden calf of self-interest to the exclusion of all else.

The latter reality, a poisonous blight on the national psyche which has been metastasizing for years, exists where financial gain and political power are the only currency. It finds its apotheosis in the presence of Donald Trump, but is in no way limited to his festering presence. The Republican Congressional men and women, who have sold their souls for the next election and their own self-promotion, contribute mightily to the virulent soul sickness of the nation. So, too, do the corporate overlords who are willing to poison the water, the air, and the land to maximize their bottom line. This spreading blight is the same whether the goal is financial, political, or personal. It is always about self-interest over the greater good and it is killing the country.

The recent revelation of the whistle-blower complaint, the Democratic House standing up for the country and the rule of law, and the testimony of career civil servants recognizing misconduct and speaking their truth despite the risks, reminds us of the cure. It remains to be seen if this fresh, clean wind will continue to strengthen and be sufficient to cleanse the air of a devastating national plague.

As predicted on this site, the protracted Saturn station from mid-July to late October has been devastating for Donald Trump. An historical and devastating impeachment probe was fully in gear by the end of this period.  Also predicted was the brief flurry of “winning” that came at the end of October, most notably when Jupiter crossed opposite to Trump’s Sun. This brought with it the great victory over Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, but any residual positive impact for Trump lasted barely a day, as the transit passed. Moreover, the reckless, grandiose attitude that sometimes comes with Jupiter could be clearly seen in the abhorrent press conference that followed Trump’s announcement of this military win.

We are now in a new phase of the story of Trump. The impeachment probe is official, with clearly enunciated rules of the road.  Essentially, he has been caught red-handed with his hand in the cookie jar. If the Democrats can keep their laser-like focus, how far will this go?

Astrologically, Trump’s progressed Midheaven (career) has just moved into a conjunction with his progressed Saturn (frustration, difficulty, contraction) as of November 1, 2019, continuing and strengthening through January 20, 2021. This takes place at 3Leo10 and will be triggered by a Neptune sesquiquadrate from February 3 to March 3, 2020, and from September 15 to December 6, 2020, as well as by transiting Saturn from January 9 to January 14, 2021. This stressful configuration that primarily impacts his reputation and career will frame events going forward, describing significant difficulties and demanding disciplined and restricted action.

More limited in scope, but an interesting tidbit, is the Mercury station that currently sits in square to Trump’s Mars (26Leo47) from October 26 to November 3, pointing to his fury at the current circumstances, as well as the feeling of being stuck with no recourse (Mercury station).

By mid-December and continuing through mid-January, Pluto will return to quincunx Trump’s Sun (22Gemini56), which will amp up the pressure and bring with it a feeling of a fight for survival. But the greatest stress will be unleashed in January 2020 when Saturn will join Pluto in the quincunx to Trump’s Sun from January 5 to 15, followed by their combined opposition to Trump’s Saturn  (23Cancer49) from January 13 through January 20, with Pluto continuing the opposition to Trump’s Saturn through February 14. This will be the beginning of an enormously intensified time of difficulty.  Moreover, we find from January 29 to February 9, that Saturn will make its first crossing opposite Trump’s Venus (25Cancer44). Thus, in summary, we see the period from January 5 to February 14 as dramatically devastating to the current resident of the Oval Office. It seems likely this period will include the trial in the Senate. Whether Trump will actually be convicted is unknown, but this crippling and traumatizing seven weeks seems likely to do permanent damage irrespective of the outcome in the Senate.

Despite a few periods when Jupiter offers Trump some respite and possibly short term successes, most notably with the quincunx to his Mars from April 13 to May 31, 2020, and from August 14 to September 30, 2020, with the Jupiter station quincunx his Uranus and square to his Jupiter, the predominant themes of 2020 come from several particularly onerous transits repeating during the year: Saturn opposite his Venus, Pluto opposite his Saturn, Neptune triggering the progressed Midheaven/Saturn conjunction, and Pluto quincunx the Sun. Combined, these point to diminishing support, deep frustration, intense power struggles, and enormous obstacles during what we hope will be Trump’s final year in office.


Ka Boom! This blog should be fun as we chart the impeachment phase of the Yeti! More power to the people and the Rule of Law!!!

What’s not to love about this post? Nancy. it gladdens my heart to feel such a marvelous wave of schadenfreude and righteous vindication flowing from your pen. Notwithstanding the likely pain and sorrow the Saturn/Pluto conjunct will cause all of us to experience somewhere in our charts, if this transit is what is cosmically required to get our planet out of itsterrifying deathspin of the last three years, so be it. Thank you for Opposing the Blight!

“Republican Congressional men and women, who have sold their souls for the next election and their own self-promotion, contribute mightily to the virulent soul sickness of the nation. So, too, do the corporate overlords who are willing to poison the water, the air, and the land to maximize their bottom line.”

All things must pass. I strongly suspect the more difficult period is not the present one, but the post-trump period in which we must contend with the greed/power addictions and delusions of our Trump-head citizens.

These folks have journeyed to and dwelled in a toxic fantasyland for so very long. A highly skilled and gifted therapist might be the most appropriate choice for a future president to guide them out of their angry delusions and addictions into some small measure of self transcendence.

The worst tragedy out of those presently manifesting and beyond, would be the trump-heads becoming a permanent fixture within our body politic and national psyche.

Thank you, Nancy. I hope you had a good time in Oregon, where I grew up.

How can we heal this “toxic fantasyland”

About Trump now claiming he’s a Florida resident — seen speculation about different reasons, but this one has me wondering if on some level either Trump knows how precarious his position is or someone close to him, who he’s actually listening to, does.

Here’s a Florida attorney who believes Trump’s change of residency is about bankruptcy law — most states allow you to keep your primary residence if you declare bankruptcy up tp a certain limit, say around $300,000, if it’s paid for.

But Florida places no monetary limit on your primary residence’s home. So you could own a place like Mar-A-Lago and keep it.

Maybe Trump’s thinking he’ll need to retreat to Florida and shelter as much money as he can in Mar-A-Lago’s Value.

Thank you Nancy!

Another good piece Nancy.

How rare is a conjunction of Saturn and Pluto?

There will have been only 13 in the 220 years from January 1, 1800, through January 12, 2020. That’s an average of 1 every 17 years.
But the last one will have been 37 years before and the next one will be 33 years away. Only once in 70 years. Rare enough? There will not have been, nor will there be, any other conjunctions of Saturn to Pluto during tRump’s term. The only one that does occur happens to be opposite his natal Saturn. It is the rarity and the fact that it is the only direct aspect to a major difficult significator in his chart by 2 powerful transiting difficult significators that I chose the date it is joined by the transiting Sun as when I see the end of his term for all intents and purposes.

Saturn conjunct Pluto from January 1, 1800, through January 1, 2025, (225 years) and beyond to 2055.

May 4 1819 NS Sat Cnj Plu 27°Pi04′
Oct 5 1819 NS Sat Cnj Plu 26°Pi14′
Jan 11 1820 NS Sat Cnj Plu 25°Pi42′
Jun 6 1851 NS Sat Cnj Plu 00°Ta20′
Nov 11 1851 NS Sat Cnj Plu 29°Ar29′
Feb 9 1852 NS Sat Cnj Plu 28°Ar59′
May 22 1883 NS Sat Cnj Plu 29°Ta46′
Oct 4 1914 Sat Cnj Plu 02°Cn14′
Nov 1 1914 Sat Cnj Plu 02°Cn04′
May 19 1915 Sat Cnj Plu 00°Cn54′
Aug 10 1947 Sat Cnj Plu 13°Le07′
Nov 7 1982 Sat Cnj Plu 27°Li36′
Jan 12 2020 Sat Cnj Plu 22°Cp47′

Jun 15 2053 Sat Cnj Plu 14°Pi30′
Jul 10 2053 Sat Cnj Plu 14°Pi22′
Feb 2 2054 Sat Cnj Plu 13°Pi13′

Today’s article about Trump’s Twitter account in the NYT reflects the current Mars-Pluto square. This account is used to serve the power of hate and aggression.


Next year’s prolonged Pluto opposition to Trump’s Venus-Saturn conjunction will also oppose the US Mercury. I am guessing Twitter will find the fortitude to close his account to great howls of outrage by those who drank the Kool-Aid.

Thanks again Nancy for bucking up our visions for the coming period of time.

Teresa, re bankruptcy: maralargo is also run as a business. I would think that would surely put a hamper on that being his residence exemption.

Design fail on trumps very secure, very big and beautiful wall: people are using tools to cut steel& concrete and get thru. Yet another blow to his ego?

Starlight, this post was so important I linked it to the Washington Post’s comments section. I got one hostile response (only one, to which I reacted appropriately) and 8 likes. Maybe someone learned something.


You’re right. He can’t exempt commercial property. So he’d have to carve out the house party only or he could buy a different house and claim it as his primary residence.

But they key is, it could be worth millions and be protected from bankruptcy if he lives in Florida.

Kept reading — also, Florida has no estate tax.

One way to handle that property is to convert it into a condo development. Instead of selling rooms, he creates condos out of the property and sells units to members.

I read about a tower in Miami that he owns that he has sold units to Russian oligarchs which are mostly empty. As long as it is zoned residential, there is no requirement that the units be in constant inhabitation or use. That will probably never change in Florida, either. Changes would make a lot of vacation homes, time shares, and summer cottages illegal. Not to mention the luxury of having a second home.

Remember Mar-A-Lago was previously a private mansion, converted into a Trumpian clubhouse. Reconverting it to private housing wouldn’t be that hard to do, and turning it into condos wouldn’t be that much harder.

And a place like Mar-A-Lago would have a huge buffer zone of lawns and upper class residences, where things could be more fenced to keep protestors out.
His tower in NYC is right on a busy street where there really would be no way in a post-presidency would to keep people off the sidewalk.

He would be largely trapped in his golden tower.

Hopefully this works:

Barb K. Thank you for your illuminating response! Professor Marc Bertonasco

Face it, Trump will not be removed from office. The US chart is much too high-strung in 2020 for him to leave. It will be a very vicious election campaign.

Thank you, Nancy! Another wonderful piece.

Why do I get the feeling that Trump is preparing to vacate the White House somehow? Whether he resigns or not is one thing, but somehow I get the feeling he’s ready to move out. Can they make him spend any time in the White House?

I’ve been feeling that cool breeze too, and not a moment too soon. Thank you Nancy for the rundown of upcoming aspects to Trump’s chart, especially those quincunxes. He’ll be twisting and turning like a wind chime in a wind storm from all the adjusting they will require from him.

The date for the beginning of World War 2, September 3, 1939, has 2 patterns that intrigue me;

1. A grand trine in earth signs between Uranus (21 Taurus 57 rx), Neptune (22 Virgo 34), Mars 24 Capricorn 41). The Uranus in the WW2 chart is conjunct the present Jupiter-Saturn cycle’s start degree that began in 2000.

The Neptune in the WW2 chart is conjunct the Neptune in the US natal chart, and the Mars in the WW2 chart is conjunct the Saturn-Pluto conjunction on January 12, 2020.

2. A T-square in the WW2 chart between the North Node (0 Scorpio 16) opposite the South Node (0 Taurus 16) as well as Hitler’s natal Sun (0+ Taurus) + WW2 Saturn (0 Taurus 54 rx) + WW2 centaur Nessus, symbol of abuse of power, (1 Taurus 30 rx) is T-squared by Pluto (2 Leo 08)

If Trump’s progressed MC and progressed Saturn are at 3+ Leo then they have recently been conjunct the WW2 Pluto at 2+ Leo and transiting Uranus has been square (2 and 3 Taurus) them, and will do so again in December in rx direction and again in February-March 2020 in direct motion.

We seem to be in a negative vibration climate that echoes that of World War 2 in certain ways, and it is world wide. So far we have not exterminated a race of people, but the intent is there. What goes around, comes around.

PS: most charts for WW2 are dated Sept. 1, 1939, when Germany invaded Poland, but it was Sept. 3 when France and England declared war on Germany. The planets I mention above did not change degrees in those 2 days.

Barbk – at the start of ww2 there was a faction in the usa that was pro german – I think the same threads of white supremacy/big business fascism we see today. As I understand it some usa banks were helping finance Hitlers war. So how might that fit with the patterns you see?
USA only officially entered the war after Japan bombed HI in dec 41. However, USA Military helped the UK from iceland from June 41.

Thanks Nancy for your wonderful post.

If all goes well, by my calculations The Blob will have lost most support of his so-called loyal Senate by Feb. 17th, 2020. the lunar return for that date is fraught with 7th house open enemies opposing his natal Saturn/Venus conjunction. The Sun in the 9th of higher courts sits at 28 Aquarius which opposes his natal ascendant.

It occurs to me that the intensified “blight” may relate to Pluto going through the US 2nd house and build until the Pluto return, circa late 2022. That 2nd house Pluto natally is about greed and grasping for more and more wealth.

All those January planets also hit the US 2nd house Pluto opposite the US 8th house Mercury. This implies big economic strain in the US that directly and negatively impacts Trump.

Has anyone done astrological analysis of Nixon’s time in office? I am curious

This is what we can expect this week in the Impeachment Inquiry.

Congress will be on a weeklong break, but the committees and staff conducting the investigation will continue interviewing a number of important witnesses, making next week a crucial phase before public hearings begin.
Monday is a busy day, with investigators scheduled to talk to Robert Blair, an aide to Mick Mulvaney, the acting chief of staff. They’re also supposed to talk to John Eisenberg, the top lawyer on the National Security Council, and his deputy, Michael Ellis.
On Tuesday, a White House budget official, Michael Duffey, is scheduled to testify; on Wednesday, investigators want to talk to T. Ulrich Brechbuhl, a State Department adviser close to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.
On Thursday — and this is a big one — it could be John Bolton’s turn. The former national security adviser would be the closest person to President Trump to testify. Multiple witnesses have said he objected to the president’s dealings with Ukraine. But his lawyer said he would not appear voluntarily, and it’s not clear how he will respond to a subpoena.

I’m keeping my fingers crossed about Bolton.


“All those January planets also hit the US 2nd house Pluto opposite the US 8th house Mercury. This implies big economic strain in the US that directly and negatively impacts Trump.”

We can hope this won’t somehow turn out in his favor if Americans blame the Trump Impeachment as the cause of the economic meltdown/contraction. It would be just his stupid luck for it to work for him and the Rethugs.

From the Washington Post – ABC Poll:

(If it matters yet)

Democrats see former vice president Joe Biden as the strongest leader among the top candidates and also say he has the best chance of defeating President Trump. But he holds no advantage on five other attributes, including policy issues, bringing needed change and being mentally sharp. He remains atop the field, with Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) trailing, Warren within the margin of error.

Meanwhile, the poll finds significant concerns about Sanders’s fitness in the wake of his heart attack last month, with more than 4 in 10 Democrats saying he is not in good enough health to serve as president.

Barr has asked the British intelligence service to disprove the Mueller report and the whole idea of Russian interference in 2016. The British are astonished:

“And the information being requested has left allies astonished. One British official with knowledge of Barr’s wish list presented to London commented that “it is like nothing we have come across before, they are basically asking, in quite robust terms, for help in doing a hatchet job on their own intelligence services”.


Will, that might be what Prof. B’s noting of transiting Pluto and Saturn trine Trump’s MC is about, at least in part; Trump die-hard supporters COULD see an economic downward turn as a result of Trump’s being investigated and/or impeached.

Nancy, I think you are right that the transit of Pluto in the US 2nd house is about greed and self-interest being exposed (and transformed). Thanks for noting that. We as a nation have, for many decades, put material possessions above all other values. It isn’t just about politicians and corporate leaders who have lost their way though, the majority of us need to reassess our values.

ja, thanks for the rundown this week. Add that the Kentucky voters on Tuesday might ditch Mitch. It’s close.

kiwi, that sounds about right; white supremacy springing from pro nazism. Having a Neptune Return that was trine transiting Uranus, put the US in a position to be persuaded – when the time was right – to join the war.

On Pearl Harbor Day (Dec. 7, 1941) the Sun in Sagittarius was trine Mars in Aries and trine Chiron in Leo. Trans. Pluto at 5+ Leo was conjunct the US natal North Node.

Trans. Saturn on that day was at 23+ Taurus retrograde and trine the US natal Neptune. Trans. Uranus (need to be free) at 27+ Taurus rx was trine the US natal Pluto and square the US natal Moon.

Neptune can symbolize the ultimate in compassion and sacrifice as well as complete madness. Eighty years ago at the start of WW2 trans. Neptune was trine trans. Mars and trine trans. Uranus and conjunct the US natal Neptune. We are still evolving, but it is accelerating now.


I don’t think national polls mean much. Remember how much Iowa can shake up the race? Obama wasn’t supposed to have a chance against Hillary until he shocked the country by winning Iowa, and then the question became, what’s wrong with Hillary that she didn’t win?

It’s not fair, but Iowa matters, and I do think they take their role seriously in meeting, listening to and evaluating candidates personally the way no other state does.

Biden, as likable as he is, will not hold up well under that close scrutiny I believe. The gaffes will hurt him. He’s not as sharp as he used to be in recent interviews I’ve seen. And they gaffes will remind people of Trump. We’re looking for an anti-Trump. Bernie’s heart attack, too, will remind voters of Biden’s age.

Also, the most recent poll of Iowa showed to-thirds of voters there have not made up their minds about who they’ll support.

It occurs to me that curtailment of the military industrial for profit entities may contribute to financial contraction. General consensus from this part of the world is that america needs wars to boost their economy

Will: re the economic downturn, it has been happening for awhile. tRump may try to spin it as cause and effect. I think he already tried that when the markets were down either the day of or the day after the impeachment vote. I am hoping the people who are most affected by the downturn, a lot of whom are his supporters, will be able to see through it. I live in one of the trumpistans, and my son-in-law works in a factory where business has slowed down significantly for the past year.
They had a week’s shutdown a couple of weeks ago. The majority of people my son in law works with are tRump supporters, but I hope that they will see through this, and know that the shutdown/downturn in their business is due to policies (if you can even call them that) of this administration. At tax time, there were a few awakenings when they saw their refunds vaporize. So I think they are on the way to realizing how badly they were deceived.

Ran through my regular readers so decided to check this one out. Some F bombs.

Mitch is Hiding Something… plus Brexit, General Election, Impeachment! If she is right tRump leaves, GOP dies.

Does anyone know what kind of track record she has?


He’s not my first choice to be the next president, but it seems to me that Buttigieg has the right age (not too old, not too young), is progressive enough (he’s a gay guy married to a man), but conservative enough (he challenges Warren’s plans and he’s not a woman) and has a well modulated voice and is a Democrat.

It seems unfair to call him a middle-of-the-road kind of a guy, but he could appeal to the variety of factions within the voting public (18 to 20 year olds would probably come out to vote for him). What do you think? Too safe? Not safe enough?

2020 Democratic National Convention will be July 13 – 16 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 9 months, 10 days from now.

2020 Republican National Convention to be held in Charlotte, North Carolina from August 24 – 27. 10 months, 3 weeks from now.

Barbk, I know you know how I feel about Biden, but Buttigieg would definitely be my second choice for President.

I want to see how Amy Klobuchar comes out of Iowa.
Has anyone looked at her chart?


“Will, that might be what Prof. B’s noting of transiting Pluto and Saturn trine Trump’s MC is about, at least in part”

Roger that.

Julie Duggan,

So sorry you are living amidst them. Let’s hope for the best possible outcomes for all of us.

Barb… in your post earlier today, you said –

…We as a nation have, for many decades, put material possessions above all other values….

Just last night hubby and I were talking about the “American Dream.” Hubby says it was always a myth; I disagreed… saying it was an outgrowth of the end of WWII. Regardless, we both agreed it’s where we thought rampant consumerism got its start.

We both agree all anyone really needs is enough to make sure bills are paid, they can take a vacation or two thru the year, and they can help their children to a better future than they had. At that point I gave him a kicker — if you stop and think about it — that’s what -EVERYONE- in the world wants. At least, all of us plebes. Enough to have a decent life that allows for fun, family, and, as hubby remarked, study and growth for the individual.

We’re both Aquarians. Sounds like it, too… doesn’t it? (LOL)

Kiwi… you said –

…General consensus from this part of the world is that america needs wars to boost their economy…

As a former part of that Defense Industrial Complex (as a soldier, then a contractor, then a DoD civilian), I’m so hoping this is one of the few institutions that gets torn down a peg or 3 with the turning of the generational planets.

What a wonderful part of the Age of Aquarius if the DIC (goddess.. I just saw that.. it even spells testosterone!) anyway, if more female leadership could turn the DIC into the Department of Peace and Exploration. Ramp up Nasa. Ramp up the CDC and NIH. Stop Monsanto focusing on profits and actually proving their genetic modifications are safe and efficacious to a growing hungry, desiccated world. Turn the money and labor of carbon-based fuels towards new, greener, workable ideas and get the money to the people for incentives. Make the whole world part of the solutions — not just part of the problems! That’s a good role for the U.N. If the U.S. wants to lead, THIS would allow it to redeem its reputation and actually become the first among equals in salvaging what the era of Viet Nam, Yuppies, and “Greed is Good” left us… and maybe make all the fear, heartache, and pain we’ve endured since 2000 worth it.

I’m assuming your summers are pretty bad on the people, animals, and land. What might it be like if our countries could work together to heal what we can heal, and make workarounds of what we can’t? Much better than all the countries dividing up between “Axis” and “Allies” to make war and raping the last of Mother Earth. Apocrypha be damned!

And yes, I still have a pair of rose-colored glasses from the 1960’s in my “memory box!”

Eliseo… sorry I haven’t answered email. Mom’s back to living with us for the time being. We’re looking for a facility with a “memory care” unit close to us. Ain’t easy in the middle of nowhere! (gryn)

I also tripped over my little Japanese Bobtail cat almost two weeks ago now. Fell and fractured my hip, which thru me into the mother of all lupus flares. Guess I should stay as inebriated on the mead as when I fell at the backdoor, eh? Makes landing a lot less painful and bone breaking! (LOL)

NewsScope for November 4, 2019
By Michael O’Reilly


All… apologize for the non-political, non-astrological message.

Candles and prayers would be welcome right now, if I may be so bold to ask… as I try to still caretake Mom on a fractured hip. I’m kinda at the point where I’m hollering “Lord, grant me strength and patience… and I want it NOW!” LOL

My apologies, I was wrong about Mitch McConnell being on the Kentucky ballot Tuesday. Wonder why I’m seeing so many commercials about him when his term isn’t up until 2020?

Slightkc . . you made me laugh out loud (DIC spells testosterone!)

barbk, Mayor Pete is very white. He has a cerebral attitude about white privilege, but little understanding of actual people of color, their experiences or their issues. He has almost no support from blacks or other people of color in polling or endorsements. Enthusiastic black voters, especially black women, will be necessary for a Democrat to win. Pete’s a quick study and I think he will do well in 2024 or later. He’s not ready now.

Yeah TJ, there’s that. Still, he might make a good backup man (VP). Thanks!

Let it be.

Possible capitulation by trump on the 17th (on the QT) when he contacts madam Speaker to offer her a deal (his resignation) following the next 2 weeks of testimonies. Details needing to be worked out will delay announcement.


The date could be the 18th.

“Roger Stone heads to trial this week in federal court, where prosecutors plan to dive back into an episode of political chicanery, alleged lies and conspiratorial texts that parallels the nascent impeachment inquiry into his longtime friend President Trump.”


“When Trump first decided to sell Javelins missiles to Ukraine in 2018, it was immediately followed by Ukraine ending their investigations of Manafort, stopping cooperation with Mueller and allowing Kilimnik to flee to Russia. What a weird “coincidence.”


The Russian flag now flies above the US military base in northern Syria. So much winning. #MRGA


slightkc “if more female leadership could turn the DIC into the Department of Peace and Exploration”
Amen to that !!!!!

Bob, are you referring to the 18th of this month?

slightkc – so sorry to hear of your body challenges. May you get relief and healing soon. Blessings

Mayor Pete is looking better all the time. I don’t think African Americans dislike him, I think they need to get to know him.

given her role, this is a bit worrying

I really like Mayor Pete – so refreshing to listen to someone so smart

slightkc – it can’t be easy at all to have a fractured hip and be responsible for your mom’s care. God Bless You & your great Aquarius sense of humor, perceptiveness, and big heart and mind. Sending you lots of healing love and light & putting you on my prayer list.

I see what you mean, kiwi. But Nancy is only 1 person — 1 person who is handling things really well (I can imagine the stress she’s under)…she’s been a great leader and I have to assume that many supporters in government and otherwise who will rise up and step in and buoy her during the challenges ahead. We, the people, can only do our best. I can’t imagine Trump will prevail, but there are definitely challenges coming from the Republicans and his staunchest supporters but, hopefully, no triumphs. Then again, could the pressures and angst be caused by her stepping into the role of president?


Yes, if the calculations and time of birth are correct, Speaker Pelosi appears to have significant challenges. However, a post by Morris on star forecast indicates that her chart was rectified placing Scorpio vs. Gemini as her ascendant. That’s quite a dramatic rectification. I wonder which chart is accurate.

When transiting Uranus stations direct on January 10th, just hours after a Full Moon (lunar) eclipse in Cancer that will be square the US natal Chiron in Aries, an eclipse that precedes the Saturn-Pluto + Ceres + Sun + Mercury conjunction in Capricorn on January 12th, that same transiting “stationing direct” Uranus at 2+ Taurus will be within orb of a conjunction to the US PROGRESSED Venus at 29 Aries-0 Taurus (a critical/decisive degree).

I find this compelling because:
1. Uranus will be powerful (due to it’s station) at the time of the Saturn-Pluto conjunction, and . .

2. the lunar eclipse (something hidden will be exposed) is in effect at the time the Saturn-Pluto 30+ year cycle start, and . .

3. the powerful transiting Uranus (abrupt and unexpected change) is very close to the US progressed Venus which symbolizes the changing values of the US, so . .

4. the lunar eclipse in Cancer which is essentially opposes the Capricorn stellium and that same eclipse squares the US Chiron (wound that leads to healing) making a T-square (challenge) that then becomes a grand cross when the US natal Juno (the lessser partner and defender of the disenfranchised), she who opposes the US natal Chiron, is included.

All this will take time to unpack, but what intrigues me most is the trans. (stationing direct) Uranus that conjuncts the progressed US values (Venus) which must mean radical and/or unexpected changes in the US values will be associated with this long Saturn-Pluto cycle (+ Sun, aka consciousness, and + Ceres, aka climate change,and + Mercury, aka how we think and communicate).

Something of an emotional nature (eclipsed Moon) will trigger these drastic changes in values in the US populace (trans. Uranus conjunct US prog. Venus) while transiting Neptune in Pisces will be just 2 degrees from the US PROGRESSED Sun in Pisces that trines the US NATAL Sun in Cancer. All this becomes part of the next Saturn-Pluto cycle that is a component of the remarkable evolutionary changes the planet Earth is going through.

This month Sharon. Announcement (but not of finalized deal) could be something to give thanks for on one of the 3 days before turkey day or on the day itself.

kc, offered prayers for you and your mother.

By: Bob on October 4th, 2019, at 7:10 pm.

“A string of dates, a string of dates , a string, string, string, string, string of dates, la, la, la, la, la…”

I am also being affected by planetary placements with a very good looking chart on one day being replaced by a very negative looking one the next day. Had me hesitating to post regarding this month.

Sharon k,

That is what I thought when I read Marjorie Orr, the pressures of the presidency on Nancy.

Bob, re Trump making a deal to exit the presidency, one of the things I was just worrying about is him making a deal to finish his term but being replaced on the Republican ticket, then jumping in as a third-party candidate at the last minute. As I write that it seems ridiculous, but I am worried that he will break any deal he strikes.


Actually, Trump not running as a Republican but as a third party candidate would be wonderful. The Republican vote would be totally split, and the Democrats could nominate someone whose only higher office so far was being elected Dog Catcher in some small city some when, and he or she would win handily.

Not intending to diss dog catchers, and the Democrats currently running are for the most part good, qualified people almost any of whom would be a good President.

We already know that Trump cannot possibly be trusted, least of all to keep his word.

I do wish the astrologers here would start taking a close look at charts for January 2021.

Elisabeth Grace today:

“The Mars-Pluto square is activating the 19 degree Cancer Ascendant of P45 Jr. Of course he’d be hawking “Triggered,” which is a book with his name on the cover. Mars rules his Midheaven (career/public status). Expansive efforts to satisfy his Virgo Moon’s need to “make things right” are reflected by transiting Jupiter square the Moon and conjunct his Mercury in boundary-pushing Sagittarius.”


Here is some up-beat news! I’m just waiting for Giuliani to come forward.

‘Lev Parnas, Giuliani Associate, Opens Talks With Impeachment Investigators’

“Mr. Parnas could offer Congress a vein of information about a political pressure campaign in Ukraine.”


ja, sounds great on the surface, but can any of them be trusted to tell the truth??

Wow — I know I might be wearing slightkc’s rose colored glasses, but having read the last 10 or so comments, it looks like it’s falling together that Trump may just have to make a (secretive) deal to get out, and Ms. Pelosi might just end up Ms. Pres by the end of next year, but what of Pence?

Meanwhile, he is desperately grasping at anything to distract us, such as announcing that the U.S. is definitely leaving the Paris Climate Treaty (wince). I heard it only takes 30 days to be approved to get back in, though.

Today, I saw Sir Idiocy standing on the burnt ground in CA, on the day he is threatening to pull federal funding from CA because – get this – they don’t rake the forest floors — and he was sounding like even more of a moron, explaining that other countries rake their forest floors, while the governor of CA and 2 other officials stood there looking very uncomfortable. Immediately after, Al Roker got on MSNBC and explained that NONE of the fires were FOREST fires! One bordered a forest but then went downhill! Unbelievable. And, the DU pic of the day, pointed out in the photo legend that Trump volunteered to send aide to Putin for the forest fires in Siberia, but he is threatening CA to pull its funding!!!

Duchess, I guess I was just letting my brain stream, but now that I think about it, Trump running 3rd party could be a bargaining chip(threat?) wrt the Republicans, ie “Dump me? Try to run another candidate? I’ll run 3rd party and screw you”. Dunno, too many crazy (im)possible scenarios.

I want to point out this amazing article that Elizabeth Grace links to when discussing the Neptune-Saturn sextile that will take place this coming Friday, and which exemplifies cooperation between the two. It’s about a lady who decided that a back fracture was going to totally change her very good & active quality of life at 94, so she made a decision to fast and hasten her death, while her daughter filmed her mother, dying consciously. It’s a beautiful article that brings tears. I actually known someone who did this and very much respected his decision. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/at-94-she-was-ready-to-die-by-fasting-her-daughter-filmed-it/2019/11/03/41688230-fcd9-11e9-8190-6be4deb56e01_story.html

knew, not known

I don’t think the Supreme Court is even going to hear the case coming up regarding Trump’s Taxes just ruled on by Judge Katzman of the 2nd Circuit Court.

I think they will want to take a pass thereby enforcing Katzman’s ruling. Good for SDNY.

Trump was in Kentucky tonight, trying to give Gov. Bevin some help in his race tomorrow. He couldn’t fill Rupp Arena, which holds 23K, in Central Kentucky. Upper Arena was mostly empty.

Lamis B Faris,

Agree with your 10:34 comment. The case will never be taken up by the SCOTUS – it has no merits.

kiwi, I could be mistaken but I think this guy is willing to spill the beans.

From the nyt’s:

“Mr. Parnas was very upset by President Trump’s plainly false statement that he did not know him,” said Mr. Bondy, whose client has maintained that he has had extensive dealings with the president.

After federal prosecutors in Manhattan announced charges against Mr. Parnas and three other men, Mr. Trump told reporters that he did not know Mr. Parnas or Igor Fruman, another Giuliani associate who also worked to help Mr. Trump in Ukraine and was among those charged with campaign finance violations. The two men had contributed extensively to political committees supporting Mr. Trump and appeared with the president in pictures posted on social media.

With no help from the SC likely today is the first day of the rest of tRump’s life.

About those tax records and the mountain of blockades they have been behind – They’ll becoming round the mountain when they come, they’ll be coming round the mountain when they come, they’ll be coming round the mountain, they’ll be coming round the mountain, they’ll be coming round the mountain when they come.

And we’ll all go to read them when they come, yes, we’ll all go to read them when they come, we’ll all go to read them, we’ll all go to read them, we’ll all go to read them when they come.

All — thank you for the energies; you wouldn’t believe the sea-change it’s been around here today. I managed to get three rooms cleaned (more or less), 2 loads of laundry done (w/hubby’s help), and Mom’s attitude was SO much lighter. Even managed to cook an edible supper! (LOL) And it’s been a long time since Mom and I let go and shared so much laughter throughout the day.

Even the cats picked up on the buzz. All 10 were running and playing, helping me “make the beds” and now are worn out and snoozing soundly. Two of the tabbies… who used to live together at Mom’s… met me in the bathroom at one point and sat side-by-side in from of the dressing mirror. I could never explain how funny their expressions were, nor how touching I found the scene… these two who had been dancing around each other for months. Even now, hubby is laughing in his sleep!

Sincerely — thank you! You gave me a chance to once again tap into my touchstone of strength. Goddess bless you all!

Sharon – while Trump was threatening to cut funding and aid to CA today, keep in mind he offered assistance to Russia to fight their Siberian fires! As Nancy said, for Trump all roads to lead to Russia. And it’s most definitely aid and comfort to our enemies, while kicking our own people in the butts. Another helping of treason, anyone? …grrrrr…

Bob, I sure hope you’re right about the middle of the month! What a joyous Thanksgiving we’d all have… well, the majority of us, anyway!… somehow, I don’t think my brother is gonna feel quite as happy as hubby and I!

Bedtime! May tomorrow be just as great as today for everyone!

One more thing before I hit the hay… I saw on Dkos today that this week is National Animal Shelter week.

I plan on dropping off two large bags of dry food – one for cats, one for dogs – to my local shelter. Hopefully I can figure out how to work this sewing machine so I can make some catnip ‘kickers’ for the kits to enjoy, too.

Also considering fostering a kit or two for Mom to help socialize. Feeling needed is so important at any age. I’m going to sleep on this for a bit, but it’s in the back of my mind.

Rescue/Shelter/Street critters are near and dear to my heart. If you can help your local shelter or rescue group, I’d so encourage it.

And don’t forget the wild (and not-so-wild) critters fleeing the fires. Spare a prayer for them, too…

Thank you!

Re. Bob’s comment: “About those tax records and the mountain of blockades they have been behind” – sure, the whole planet is hoping for some kind of sensible information. However, please be cautioned that nothing relating to taxes happens quickly. And when it involves a president, it will come accompanied by a room full of Philadelphia lawyers.

If it happens (if), there will be a big splash about what the taxes ‘reveal’ in the media and after that nothing. Silence. Dead air. The analytical work involved in ‘proving’ anything by DT’s taxes could take years.

Honest DT may not be, but he’s had professional accountants doing his tax work for decades. You don’t think for one minute that anything will be “clear” about them, do you?

The taxes will be the biggest nest of snakes. They will be sorry they ever asked. Another distraction is what they will turn out to be. The parties involved will fight over what happened when, to whom, and how much tax was owed and how it was calculated.

The results won’t be decided in court or anywhere else in a hurry. Ultimately it may happen that somebody official will decide something and the press will rage on, but by the time the analysis is finished the whole Trump show may have sunk beneath the waves of history. In other words, don’t hold your breath. This is a red herring politically.

Here’s a good one on the situation re. impeachment. From here on, it’s a war of attrition. Not pretty, but strategic.


One more on the tax returns:


“If we are serious about the science of service, we know that although grounded and aware, we cannot live either in the past or in the world of occurring events. Opportunity lies in the world of causes. Our work is there. If we expect to generate true change in the world of events, we must have at least one foot in the future or the world of causes. We work with consciousness, with energy, with cause before it becomes an event. By the time we see an event on TV or read about on the internet or newspapers, forget it. It’s all over. We cannot wait for the news to let us know what is happening. We already know. Only the walking dead and those made blind by the drugs of material comfort and illusory exclusivity are not aware of the horrendous struggle for the Soul of the U.S. and by extension, Humanity. However, there is value in keeping abreast of the news. What most television and news programs do reveal is the depth and extent of the worldwide attack on humanity and the Planet. The lengths to which the Retrogressors will go to destroy free will, liberty, justice, and the simple human dignity of the individual, needs to be understood. No code of morality or decency inhibits the Retrogressors in their determination to achieve their dark ends. We know, we have been told over and over, that these forces have access to unlimited levels of money and routinely amass hundreds of millions of dollars for elections in the U.S.”

Carney, Tom (2019-07-15T23:58:59). The New Consciousness II: The Great Unfolding .

Red Herring or not the returns are going to be made public and with the intensive efforts made to keep them secret I strongly believe they will reveal extremely damaging facts tRump does not want the people and the government of the United States, and the people of the world, to know, your literary bloviating notwithstanding beo.

Hint. “…the only thing we have to fear is fear itself… .” (FDR’s first inaugural address). The SDNY and the Democratic committees in the House of Representatives are not afraid to go after them. Getting them will prove to be important.

beo, are you a troll? Or a Republican? A yes or no answer for each will do.

Perhaps some of you can answer a question I have not the expertise to fathom:
Astrologically, what accounts for the consistent and enormous amount of psychological projection we’re seeing from right wingers? I am amazed as I see the blindness, the projection of shadow from right wingers on Liberals, et.al.

Don Jr.’s book, Triggered: How the Left Thrives on Hate and Wants to Silence Us

This makes my head spin. On one level, it appears as gaslighting designed to purposefully confuse us. On another level, it is apparent these clowns actually believe such nonesense. I find this very difficult to address.

Eliseo – one thing that strikes me with the right wing gaslighting is that they keep accusing the liberals of what they are doing. I think that so many find it believable because that is who they are and we tend to judge people by our own actions and behavior. Perhaps that’s why we liberals have had such a hard time wrapping our heads around what is happening. We just aren’t like that.

Bob – I can’t speak for BeoWulfie but I can tell you for myself, I’m very disillusioned and it’s hard to believe that this will right itself. Most astrologers and readers have been assuring us change is right around the corner for the past three years and nothing has happened. Anymore, it’s hard for me to be positive, to believe it’s actually going to get better. He/they continue to thumb their noses at law and common decency. Unless something drastic happens, that gets this in front of the right wing masses via their own preferred stations, I can see that this might not have a happy ending. We use words like transformation and change implying that it will be for the better. Both words and most of the other go to descriptive words could just as easily point to a slide even further to the right. Remember, before Hitler, Germany was fairly liberal. So, if someone expresses that they don’t go with the happiness and light that often gets thrown around here, it can just as easily mean that they are demoralized and afraid that things are going to keep going the direction they are going. I for one see that as a distinct possibility and it scares me to the core. Nancy’s current article has helped lighten the load somewhat. She’s been pretty on target that things were not resolving, and they weren’t. Now perhaps we’ll see real change. But what it will actually mean remains to be seen.

And no, I’m not republican or right or any of those things. But I am observant and trying to be honest. I’m not hiding my head in the sand. This could still go very wrong. And to be honest, Barr is the one who has the power now. By refusing to support congressional oversight, he has ham stringed the house. And that is scary.

Off the top of my head Eliseo, I’d say it is fear that blinds us, all of us, and for most of us it is change from our comfort zone that strikes fear in our hearts. Astrologically then, that would be Saturn.

The people raised with certain beliefs such as all Jews or Catholics, or all whites or all people of color are “bad”, or stupid, or selfish, or whatever, represent a diminishing of “my” or “our” comfort zone – our safety even. Saturn is safety.

I would think a healthy Uranus would combat an over zealous or challenged Saturn, but also being exposed to a variety of types of non-combative people at an early age would reduce that fear too.

It is hard or at least difficult to overcome the prejudice of our family traditions and if you grew up believing that people of a different religion, or nationality or color were out to take everything away from you, you will instinctively be suspicious of people different from you.

Sometimes, an experience you had (got beat up in school for example) will frame your attitude toward a certain race or nationality or color too. But bottom line, it is fear of change, of difference or of sharing that polarizes us.

Then too there are people and groups that take advantage of that basic fear in people and lots of people are susceptible to fear bait. It’s called advertising on one level.

Neptune, on the other hand, can make us susceptible to deny Saturn’s protective (sometimes too protective) influence, causing us to throw caution to the side. I suspect that’s the way many right-wingers see us left-wingers; we are naive at best, stupid at worst, and until we can advance our consciousness (as a whole) beyond the duality we are presently stuck in, this blindness will prevail.

That’s changing. I believe it is peaking – this divide – and something or numerous somethings are going to be happening (Saturn-Pluto conjunction for the world and US Pluto Return for the USA) to force us to get past our fears of “the other”.


It’s just out today that the RNC funded a scheme to jam Democratic leader phone lines & make it look like 11,000 people objected to the impeachment! More Republican dirty tricks! https://www.newsweek.com/rnc-funded-roughly-11000-automated-calls-jam-house-democrats-phone-lines-amid-impeachment-1469719

Will this item appear in any remotely right wing news site? I don’t know but doubt it.

Per Angellight’s post above, there is a war going on at the causal level and one side has no sense of honorable ethics whatsoever. Sometimes those perpetrators cross party lines – it can’t be all one party, can it? But there are more than enough books, films, videos, news articles out there to persuade people & support their belief system and, no matter how one-sided, unreal or untrue it is.

I sincerely believe that the Left has higher ethics but even the Left may not always educate themselves to look at the realities and the other side of issues completely enough.

May justice win out on the material plane and may karma win out on the causal plane.

I hope all is well with you, your wife, family & friends up in Olympia, that you are settling in nicely.

Barb, that was a brilliant analysis. Thank God for a healthy dose of Uranus – as well as Neptune and Saturn – so that humanity can and does get the balance right.

There is a survival instinct in all of us and we can use it in fear to win at the expense of others or we can unite with others so that we all win!

with flame thrower Jim Jordan’s name being possibly added to the intelligence committee, the intent being to thwart schiff I am sure, thought Id post an old comment from Marjorie with his birth info. Any comments as to how he might fare in the coming months?

It is choice based on many factors E.

There have been cases where one twin has murdered the other. In the millions of participants in various wars (this country’s Civil War, WW’s 1 and 2, the many wars dating back to ancient times) there have probably been participants on opposing sides of each with the same, or nearly the same, horoscopes. In spite of that, those with the same, or nearly the same, horoscopes held beliefs in direct opposition to each other and were willing to die for those beliefs. Largely a factor of nurturing likely involving at some point religion or politics. Wonder at that when we pry the guns from their hands.

In the affairs of men Casey there is scant little that ‘right’s itself’. But in these times, in this country, voters can change things by voting together to bring change via the ballot box. To do that requires a common set of beliefs held by a majority of voting citizens. That’s all. Should the opposition refuse to follow legally established directives law enforcement must enforce the laws.

For Jim Jordan (using a noon birth chart) in right ascension: Saturn within a 3° square to his progressed Sun in November 2019. Within a 2° square in December, within a 1° square also in December, probably exact on December 22. During those dates transiting Pluto is within a 1°+ square in November, moving to 2° in December and to 3° in January 2020.

Bob, in response to your question, “beo, are you a troll? Or a Republican? A yes or no answer for each will do,”:

No on both. I am not a troll, nor a Republican. I am a retired person with a background in business and teaching, who still holds liberal ideals and hopes for a better future for the next generation in this sorry day and age.

As a post-war person, I grew up with an awareness of the atom bomb and the Cuban missile crisis. In my teens, remember being told by our father what to do if there is an international event involving sirens and aircraft, and how I was supposed to walk directly home from school. But he didn’t say what the incident might mean. I learned the seriousness of it many years later.

Throughout the Vietnam war I watched Walter Cronkite on TV and I saw the protests of the 60’s, and even witnessed a small one safely from the sidewalk, far, far away from the real action. It was all out there ‘somewhere’ and I was too young to understand or care. The school system taught nothing about the realities of wars and hunger and things like the depravity of slavery or the treatment of indigenous populations. All that came much later.

Until Vietnam and the naked girl running down the street screaming from napalm, who would have believed people could do those things to each other? Until then, WWII and all that stuff was about heroes and movies with glamorous actors. Hollywood was a great smoke screen.

Then came Watergate, the first Gulf war and the 2nd. By then, I couldn’t believe anyone was stupid enough to support the wars, but that was only after I thought about it – I was starting to understand that we were being snowed.

So, as viewer of our times, I earned my stripes as realist little by little. No great revelations, but an accumulation. If my experience is typical, is it any wonder that people can’t see through the idiocy of Trump? Life goes on and they have their own troubles.

History ought to convince anybody that the world isn’t what it should be, but it takes experience too.

And there are a lot of people like Trump and McConnell who like the world just fine the way it is – it works for them. Yes, I keep “hoping” for something better. Hope may be essential, but it is not enough (and if you read Obama, he didn’t say it is). Nations go through these periods because there is no way to the other side except “through”. That’s were the US and world is at now. We’re going through it.

If one of the Dems win, and I truly hope one of them does, I hope he or she won’t ‘f’ it up. But I wouldn’t be surprised if the next generation will be fighting the same battles, only with a much worse environment. If my viewpoint offends, I can offer no apology.

Eliseo, these projections are straight from the Russian playbook. Insidious subversion was the specialty of the KGB and its evil officer, Putin. The KGB is now the FSB and continues along the same lines under Putin’s direction. The Trump family’s projections are also derived from Trump’s mentor, Roy Cohn, who advised Joe McCarthy and represented the Mob. His most famous piece of sad wisdom was to always counter-punch.

Astrologically, IMHO, the lies are now peaking courtesy of the Neptune semi-return or opposition, which is clearly dimming the national soul. The first time this occurred was in the 1850s, when oil was discovered in the US, unleashing the greatest surge of greed in world history. Money remains the root of all evil.

At the first Neptune return in the 30s and early 40s, we had FDR who said :”We have nothing to fear but fear itself.” That was a positive Neptunian statement of hope. That was the time when the US clearly fought for the greater good of its people and the world.

The Neptune semi-return will end at roughly the same time as the US Pluto return in 2023. Their combination is clearly a potent and great spiritual nightmare.

barbK, Andre, Sharon, Bob, CaseyM, et.al.
Thank You all for your insights.

I’m very aware of the Russian efforts, of the influence of Roy Cohn, (a gay man who persecuted other homosexuals and ironically died of AIDS) and most importantly the propensity to accuse liberals of what they themselves are doing, all of which is precisely my point.

My question applies to the astrological signature of the phenomenon. The Saturn connection, (thanks barb) and the Neptune semi-return (Andre) you guys mentioned are along the lines I was seeking knowledge of. More specifically, I was and am deeply curious as to which configurations mirror the delusions of the collective unconscious body politic.

Pluto in Capricorn has always suggested a time period in which very wealthy elites, the establishment, and all those with a vested interest therein, are engaged in an extreme, existential struggle to save themselves and preserve the status quo that props them up, at any cost. That all shows up politically as far right reactionaryism and fascism/authoritarianism, wanting to cling to the ways of old and fend off anything that poses a threat to them, especially those who present a liberal viewpoint.

The particular delusion and madness around DJT also seems to be a bit Neptunian both in spirit and in flavor, however. The Republican Party just experienced its first (and hopefully last) Neptune Return in Pisces. True to form, whether out of blind faith or crippling fear, the entire party seems to have chained its fortunes and fates to the man, like one of those suicidal cults that gleefully follows its leader over the edge into the abyss.

I don’t see the current zeitgeist surviving much beyond the U.S. Pluto Return/Neptune Opposition in 2022-23. These years really seem to represent the culmination of the Pluto in Capricorn/Neptune in Pisces energies, and with them, the trajectory we have been on that will be punctuated with the tremendous historic collapse of the corporate capitalist establishment here in the US.

Pluto in Aquarius doesn’t guarantee that the coming years will be “liberal.” However, we are likely to see both right and left-wing energies thrive in a deeply anti-authoritarian context that will become the new zeitgeist, in rebellion to the current one.

Eliseo, collective delusions would in my view be primarily Neptunian. Pluto would make them primal and menacing in Capricorn’s field of politics, which is ruled by Saturn. The Saturn-Pluto-Ceres conjunction in that sign combined with the Neptune opposition in Pisces brings a deep self-destructive denial of the need to transform political structures to solve the environmental destruction caused by oil. This too shall pass.


“True to form, whether out of blind faith or crippling fear, the entire party seems to have chained its fortunes and fates to the man, like one of those suicidal cults that gleefully follows its leader over the edge into the abyss.”

Words well-smithed!

UK has their own authoritarian woes with russia overtones https://star4cast.com/dominic-grieve-bojo-fight-for-transparency/


Regarding your Nov 3 query if anyone knows of Kirsten Langston’s track record.

She is no better and no worse than others. If you heard only a few F bombs, you were lucky. I stopped watching her a long time ago because she has no qualms about spewing obscenities. Someone must have complained because she said that swearing is just who she is and if you don’t like it, tough. I have seen a few videos recently and it seems to me that she has tried hard to curb that nasty habit.

As for her record, Kirsten will be the FIRST one to tell you if she is right about something.

FYI – she lives in the same town as Linda G and is the one who encouraged Linda G to start posting on YouTube. Linda now has 25.9K followers and KL has 11.6K. Linda once said that she just doesn’t understand why KL doesn’t have more. Pretty sure it is the foul language for one. Linda G is warm and genuine. KL is salty and pushes her sexuality a little too much for me.

I will watch Linda G. Just my two cents.

Granted, Pluto in Capricorn certainly reflects establishment elites and/or Plutocrats in power, but doesn’t IMO reflect the massive amount of delusion, paranoia, demonization, gaslighting, and projection of shadow onto one’s adversaries.

I think barbK and Andre are on the right track connecting Saturn with fear, and Neptune with delusion. I don’t know what or how the transiting planets affected the German, Italian, Spanish, Japanese, and Argentine charts in the 1930’s, but suspect it was a similar pattern.

I agree that “Pluto in Aquarius doesn’t guarantee that the coming years will be “liberal.” but intuitively I strongly expect the words “liberal” and “conservative” may have quite different meanings by that time.

I see us as at the beginning of a huge paradigm shift fomented by some extraordinary and unprecedented domestic and international events. We in the US are facing not only our Pluto return but our Uranus return, as I recall in 2028.

Your 9:35pm post makes eminent sense!
Thank You!

Barb, Congratulations to KY for going Blue & electing a Democratic governor (although it sounds like Bevin isn’t conceding), and Teresa, Congrats to NC for flipping the state legislature Blue!

Thank you SassyGrace. Most of the time I do not have time each day to do more than check on the 7 readers I posted about before because of the length of their videos.

If I might recommend a film on NETFLIX:

“The Laundromat”

oh will, you’re such a tease. ha ha ha

will . . . .thanks for the recommendation (snort, snort) not sure I ever heard of it before though.

Sharon, we in Louisville are dancing in the streets!

Eliseo, this might shed light. The Neptune-Pluto cycle has been going on for 128+ years now, and they have not even completed their first sextile after that conjunction yet. It will be a couple of 100 years before they oppose one another.

In their conjunction chart (August 2, 1891) Saturn at 15+ Virgo was opposite Jupiter at 16+ Pisces. Transiting Neptune has been at 16+ Pisces off and on for 2 years now and isn’t finished yet.

I think transiting Neptune is activating his own cycle with Pluto by sitting on the Jupiter in that Neptune-Pluto cycle chart, and with that Jupiter opposite Saturn (a peak period in any cycle) it could be that the energies of the Saturn-Jupiter cycle (that was halfway through in 1891) is being re-activated in 2018-2019.

Neptune and Pluto were conjunct the US natal Uranus as I’ve repeated here ad nauseam, and this alone puts the vibes of the Neptune Pluto cycle in play for many reasons I won’t go into now. Suffice it to say that old fears and grudges from the 1800’s could be playing out in the present time.

The Sun in that Neptune-Pluto conjunction (conjunct US Uranus) in 1891 was at 10+ Leo conjunct Trump’s natal Pluto at 10+ Leo. It’s deja vu all over again.

Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus. Ooops,that’s the other Virginia!

For the first time in 38 years, Democrats have taken control of City Council in Columbus, Indiana.

This is the hometown of Vice President Mike Pence and Rep. Greg Pence.


PS: Adolf Hitler had a Neptune-Pluto conjunction in his natal chart.


Do we know in which house Hitler’s Neptune-Pluto conjunct occurred?

A Big Night for Democrats!

“It’s a strategy we’ve seen before from Democrats — namely, in the 2018 midterms: Portray Republican incumbents as extremists who are hurting ordinary families and instead promise common-sense solutions. The strategy has proved highly effective, too.”

Ralfee Finn:


will . . .8th house

A. Hitler, birth: April 20, 1889, 6:30 PM, Braunau, Austria

Asc. 26 Libra 40, MC 4 Leo 09
Sun 0 Taurus 43, Moon 6 Cap 47 conjunct Jupiter 8 Cap 14


Re: Hitler; Libra on his Ascendant! Who would have thought? Well, he was an artist for a short while.

They will start on Wednesday with Bill Taylor and George Kent.
On Friday, the public will hear from Marie Yovanovitch

https://www.usatoday.com/…/impeachment-rick-per…/4138942002/ … @USATODAYhttps://twitter.com/Journo_Christal/status/1192115892668239872

The Nadir in adolph’s chart is at 294°45′. Nadir not the IC – it is an exact 90° in real space from the Asc-Desc axis.

Guess what will be there on January 13, 2020.

Hint: The Sun (294°42′), Saturn (294°42′), and Pluto (294°45′).

wow, that’s creepy Bob!

Could you tell us a little about how the nadir differentiates from the IC in a symbolic way? Thanks much.



There is no difference. These (Zenith, Nadir, East Point, West Point) are just points with a relationship – exact 90° measured in real space, not zodiacal longitude, to one of a chart’s 4 natural angles[MC, IC, Asc, Desc]. Aspects to them are read according to the nature of the planet making the aspect.

The Nadir is an exact square to the Asc and the Desc. Thus, like any point in aspect to a chart angle it is very sensitive to transits or progressions. It’s opposite point, the Zenith, is another sensitive point.

A visual aid showing the angles.


Had to dig out my old Table of Houses to get the zodiacal point of the Nadir. It is 22°56′ Capricorn.

Anyone have an idea when or if Bevin in Kentucky will concede. It seems to me that if Trump were to lose in 2020, he too will never concede.

Thanks Bob and I really appreciate the visual.

So, these open testimonies starting next week come under the auspices of the New Moon (4+ Scorpio) opposite Uranus retrograde and the Sun (4+ Taurus) on October 27.

When the chart for this New Moon is set in Washington DC, the MC (outcome) is at 15+ Aries and is opposite trans. Mars and the IC (roots) both at 15+ Libra, just 1 degree from US natal Saturn and Trump’s natal Chiron + Juno at 14+ Libra.

All of these opposing points and planets were T-squared by transiting Saturn at 15+ Capricorn. It is transiting Saturn that is holding some feet to the fire.

It is transiting Uranus that will provide the shocking breakthrough. Note too that trans. Jupiter (search for truth) is conjunct Ceres (nurturing) in Sagittarius and they trine Eris (discord) in Aries in that Scorpio New Moon chart.

All this in last month’s Scorpio New Moon chart suggests a volatile period before the Taurus Full Moon on November 12, the day before the televised impeachment inquiry hearing with William Taylor and George Kent.

A Kentucky dog for sure. Proven last night when he voted.

Bryan Lewis is country; from the brim of his hat, to his well-worn boot heels. Born and bred in the hinterlands of Ohio, Bryan grew up at wide place in the road called Wilkin’s Corner. His bloodline, however, flows out of the music-haunted hills of Kentucky .

I Think My Dog’s a Democrat


Very interesting insights on the Neptune/Pluto cycle! Thank You!
Eric Alan Meese, in his book Horoscope for the New Millennium, discusses the Neptune/Pluto cycle in depth, but I’ve never heard it discussed in the context of the present variety of gaslighting, projection and delusion we’re seeing on the Right. Obviously, when we are observing such an enormity of delusion and self-deception Neptune has to be involved.

Also fascinating: Your comments and shared info on Mr. A. Hitler. At this time, I would think it wise to study the charts of our most important dictators from the 20th & 21st centuries, Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Franco, Mao, etc. I am of the opinion that in addition to the present dictators, the most important ones would be Mussolini & Franco, as their particular brands of fascism are more similar to what our local Christo-Fascists and Domionists would like to implement.

I’m beginning to get very hopeful.
The whole world will soon be watching as dignified, courageous, patriots speak truth to Trump’s lies. Last night’s elections prove Public opinion is shifting and with the televised hearings, I’m sure it will shift even more.

I think tRump will fold (in private) next Friday after Marie Yovanovitch testifies and over the next 2 days will decide to approach Speaker Pelosi [in private] about a deal.

Eliseo, “Mussolini & Franco, as their particular brands of fascism are more similar to what our local Christo-Fascists and Domionists would like to implement.”

Both had the implicit help of a powerful cabal hidden within the catholic church.

Oh, Bob, I hope you are correct. To date there seems to be nothing that pulls the Pres. or congr ssional Republicans up short.

I see Marie Yovanovitch’s testimony and the movie “The Good Liar” debut on the same day.

Bob- hahaha
‘Midway‘ opens on Friday. Maybe the country will find their patriotism.

I hope he gets the punishment he deserves!

‘Roger Stone Lied to Protect Trump, Prosecutor Says
Mr. Stone’s trial on charges including lying to investigators opened on Wednesday.’


Yes, Henri! Find it, dust it off, polish it up and make it a center piece for at least the next 5 years. Lets fix it up before giving it to the next generation. We can still prove to be a good example for them.

Give extra thanks in thoughts and deeds this year. I think the holiday food will taste better, the decorations will sparkle brighter, the carols will sound more beautiful and the smiles will be more infectious this year.

In 3 weeks a local radio station will begin playing carols 24-7 through Christmas.

The US progressed chart at the time of the start of the Civil War (April 12, 1861, Philadelphia) had an ascendant (window to the world) at 16+ Pisces, where transiting Neptune is right now.

Venus (values) was at 17+ Libra, the same degree as where the progressed US Mars is right now, and where Trump’s Jupiter is, and where the US Constitution Neptune is, and where Putin’s Saturn is.

That Venus in the progressed US chart at the start of the US Civil War was sextile Mars in the same chart at 16+ Leo. Their sextile (Venus and Mars) formed a Yod (forced to adjust) with the same chart’s ascendant (16+ Pisces) and where transiting Neptune is at this moment.

You can’t make this stuff up people! That Yod in the US progressed chart at the time of the start of the US Civil War is alive and well, and transiting Neptune is facilitating that Civil War chart’s ascendant (window to the world) to adjust; a century and a half after the fact.

Eliseo, this must be a big part of the delusion on the Right; they have never accepted that the South (and slavery) lost the war. It is a shadow war; deep in the psyche of the USA.

US natal asteroid Psyche at 14+ Cancer conjuncts US natal Sun at 13+ Cancer and she squares US natal Saturn at 14+ Libra (and Trump’s Chiron at 14+ Libra) and is opposite transiting Saturn at 15+ Capricorn.

Therefore trans. Neptune and the US progressed-to-start-of-Civil War chart’s ascendant, both at 16+ Pisces, are trine US natal Sun-Psyche in Cancer, and sextile the now transiting Saturn in Capricorn, and they are quincunx (adjustment is necessary) the US NATAL Saturn and Trump’s Chiron in Libra.

PS: The Black Moon Lilith in the US chart progressed to the start of the Civil War was conjunct the US natal MC (outcome, reputation) at 1+ Libra. I do not in any way find this hard to believe.

In the discussions that have happened over these many months, two have hit resonance with me: that astrologically, there is so much similar between the Civil War and the current time.

Also (tho not discussed as much), the similarity between Trump’s base and cult members. I won’t even call myself an amateur astrologer, but one thing of deep interest to me is if there is a “string” that binds the major cult leaders of the last couple of decades with Trump and/or his cultists. Having come close to one in my youth – what allowed me to turn away (and not throw the baby out with the bathwater), and all those millions of Trumpsters or Jim Jones’ followers who drink the kool-aid, even unto their death? And what (if anything) does it inform us of what’s to come with the Trumpster’s?

“Also (tho not discussed as much), the similarity between Trump’s base and cult members.”

Brilliant & prescient insight, my friend! And of course, the obvious question: What will the cult members do when their cult object is turned out of office?

Eliseo, re: projection. I believe that they use projection to justify their own actions. The trumpistas and their overlord do it constantly, as did a former spouse whom I discovered to be a serial philanderer.


What kind of a “deal” do you imagine is possible for Speaker Pelosi to cut with 45?

RE: “Eliseo, this must be a big part of the delusion on the Right; they have never accepted that the South (and slavery) lost the war. It is a shadow war; deep in the psyche of the USA.”

You nailed it. Historians refer to this as the “Religion of the Lost Cause.” One of the best books on the subject is by Charles Reagan Wilson, Baptized in Blood: The Religion of the Lost Cause, 1865-1920.

Today the attitudes, and assumptions are buried deeper within the unconscious, but are nevertheless present affecting the political behavior of millions. WWI served to reunite noth & south into one nation. Particularly beginning in 1925 Southerners began moving north & west, slowly poisoning the areas in which they settled.

When I was a young child I unintentionally infuriated my mother, a Louisiana gal, when I said, “But Mom, the ideology of the Confederacy was not that different from the Nazis of WWII. They were really fairly similar.”

Yes, I agree. They use their projections to justify their bad behavior. BTW, I think I’ll start referring to Mr.T as our “overlord,” or maybe our “OL”.

RE: “The whole world will soon be watching as dignified, courageous, patriots speak truth to Trump’s lies. Last night’s elections prove Public opinion is shifting and with the televised hearings, I’m sure it will shift even more.”

Yes, I think so as well. Unless Mr.T makes a deal, as Bob suggests, I think at least a few R. Senators, probably led by Romney, will vote to convict.

We know our Overlord’s followers are deep into the koolaid. Only time will tell how many R Senators are also. If too many vote to acquit, they’ll take a drubbing in Nov. 2020.

In line with the talk about Trump’s “cult” and the South never giving up on losing the Civil War (what was so civil about it?) – someone on DU snapped a shot of Trump giving the OK sign during a recent rally 2 evenings ago (see url). There truly IS something rather intentional and demonic about the photo. He was in Monroe, LA last night and people started leaving after the first hour, for whatever that’s worth. He will regretfully be attending the big college football rivalry game this Sat. between LSU & UA at UA. University of AL students were warned not to act out which, I guess, means no booing. https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212661651

I didn’t mention it, but I assumed that you guys already know that the White Supremist groups have co-opted that sign as one of their symbols.

Sharon, it was the war of Northern Aggression.

kushner will be having a happy birthday in January. His solar return is going to have a stellium of The Sun, Mercury, Saturn, and Pluto. Maybe on the 19th depending on his time of birth.

That date should be around the 10th.

djt jr will have a conjunction of Saturn and Pluto in his solar return around December 31st.

McConnell, Graham, Ivanka, Eric; in fact, many GOP people are swept by the Saturn-Pluto conjunction in the last week of December through January. Maybe the whole gang will be rounded up at once.

As Bevin Refuses to Concede, Critics Warn Kentucky GOP ‘Totally Gearing Up to Steal’ Gubernatorial Election –

https://go.shr.lc/2CggDBd via @commondreams

Beshear vs. Bevin: Kentucky governor’s race could be decided by state legislature .


Posting link for New York Magazine (longish) article that I think clearly articulated what the rift in our nation is about.

I am sickened to read that dt.jr has promoted a smear campaign on social media against Lt. Col. Vindeman.
It’s unfathomable to me how anyone in the Military could support trump.

This ought to be interesting!

‘Impeachment probe turns to Pence adviser who heard Trump’s call with Ukrainian leader’

“The House impeachment probe shifts its focus Thursday to what Vice President Pence knew about the shadow campaign to compel Ukraine to open investigations that would benefit the Trump administration.”


Eliseo and everyone, I’m betting there is somebody’s birth chart that has a planet (or point) at 15-17 Leo that, when combined with trans. Neptune (16+ Pisces) and US prog. Mars at 17+ Libra (+ Trump’s Jupiter) would replicate the Yod in the US progressed chart at the time of the start of the US Civil War. Keep your eyes peeled.

That said, right now, transiting asteroid Lachesis, named for one of the sisters called the 3 Fates in mythology, is at 16+ Leo. She was the sister that determined when the thread (of life) would be cut, and the twists of fate that thread would encounter.

At 16+ Leo she is sextile the US progressed Mars (and Trump’s Jupiter) at 17+ Libra, and their sextile forms a Yod to transiting Neptune at 16+ Pisces, the part of the Yod that will have to adjust. This would replicate the Yod in the US prog. chart at the time of the Civil War between Venus and Mars and the ascendant.

I’m assuming that this “adjustment” will come from one or more of the witnesses that will be testifying (live on TV) in the Impeachment process.

Very Interesting!

Have you looked at the astrology of the Reconstruction Period, 1865-1876 ? It was an enormously violent period, but confined to the Southern states. Sadly, I see a definite and strong possibility of a repeat of that era commencing with Mr. T leaving office. Armed and angry Trumpheads gone wild.

How do you that “adjustment” manifesting ?

I meant how do you see that adjustment manifesting?

Michael Bloomberg is entering the AL primary (why AL?) but has not yet decided to.

One of the older candidates at 77, he was born in Brighton, MA on 2/14/42. Using a noon chart, his sun is at 25 Aqu 20, conj the U.S.’s natal moon, and square both n. Saturn (22 Tau) and Uranus (26 Tau).

He has both his n. moon & mercury at 15 Aqu, trine n. Jupiter at 11 Gemini, and square n. mars at 18 Tau. He has n. Venus at 7 Aq opp n. Pluto at 4 Leo (the U.S. mean node is 7 Leo).

I guess he is the anti-Warren and anti-Bernie.

I propose that aside from skirmishes that for months preceded a battle at Manassas, VA, that the battle there known as the Battle of Bull Run was the real start of the American Civil War.

My time July 21, 4:55:23 am, LMT, Manassas, VA – light enough to see by as sunrise was just 47 seconds later.

The battle was encompassed by 3 eclipses in a synodic month, in the signs of Cancer and Capricorn (Lunar Eclipse – June 22, 1861 NS, 1°04′ Capricorn (FM); Solar Eclipse – July 7, 1861 NS, 15°50′ Cancer (NM); Lunar Eclipse – July 21, 1861 NS, 29°07′ Capricorn (FM)). The last eclipse was on the day of the battle that I believe marked the beginning of the war but was not exact until the battle was over. Using my time for start of the battle places the eclipse on the Asc/Desc axis.


Bull Run Battle Facts Total Estimated Casualties

Union – 460 killed; 1,124 wounded; 1,312 missing & captured

Confederate – 387 killed; 1,582 wounded; 13 missing & captured

As opposed to the bombardment of Fort Sumter:


“No one was killed during the actual engagement, but as the Union soldiers lowered their flag, they honored it with a 100-gun salute. A premature discharge from one cannon caused an explosion that killed Pvt. Daniel Hough of the 1st U.S. Artillery. Not technically a battle death, but it did make Hough the first person killed in the Civil War.”

Fort Sumter Battle Facts

Union – 0 killed; 0 wounded; 0 missing and captured

Confederate – 0 killed; 0 wounded; 0 missing & captured

That last eclipse was on the Sibly chart Pluto.

Fox News is comparing Trump favorably to FDR.

Eliseo, there was a Saturn-Jupiter cycle that started on Oct. 21, 1861 that was in effect until April 18, 1881, at 18 Virgo 22.

The 1st (of 3) Uranus-Pluto conjunction in 1965 at 17+ Virgo echoed that 1861 Jupiter-Saturn cycle, and later the 3 Uranus-Neptune conjunctions in Capricorn were trine the 1861 Saturn-Jupiter cycle start point.

This year’s US Solar Return had Neptune at 18+ Pisces (opposite the 1861 Jupiter-Saturn cycle start degree) square Jupiter in Sagittarius. Transiting Neptune was at 18+ Pisces for 2 months before the US Solar Return and all of July.

To me these 2 “modern day” cycles, Uranus and Pluto, Uranus and Neptune, both support the theme of the old 1861 cycle between Jupiter and Saturn; a cycle that is seen as a guide to the development of societies.

So too does the transiting Neptune force us to face that cycle’s unmet requirements.

In that 1861 Jupiter-Saturn cycle Mars at 9+ Libra was quincunx (adjust) Pluto at 9+ Taurus, where transiting Uranus will be next June and next October before the election in November.

So too was the Sun (symbol of consciousness) and Neptune (symbol of escape) in a quincunx (adjustment) in that 1861 Jupiter-Saturn cycle. Seems we did not adjust enough to satisfy the gods and goddesses, and now we must do so if we are to maintain our integrity.

I should also mention that Ceres was at 18+ Virgo and conjunct Saturn and Pluto in 1861, just as she is conjunct the January Saturn-Pluto conjunction. Mother Nature can be quite persuasive when she thinks it’s necessary!

As a lifelong Southerner, I have spent so much time trying to understand how certain Southerners still seem to take such pride in the Civil War. They lost. Most people who lose a fight want to put it behind them, to forget it, not keep bringing it up.

And I don’t think it’s refusing to admit they lost. I think it’s an odd pride in standing up to the north, in not letting the north tell them what to do. (Much like a rebellious child.)

it’s also tied into the feeling that people in the northeast think they’re so much better and smarter than we are. (I’ll say we here because I’ve experienced this, while at the same time having a hard time believing how much of the south reliably votes Republican.)

I don’t think we’re facing an outbreak of widespread violence from Trump supporters. I think they’re bullies and cowards with martyrdom complexes, who will crumble rather than actually fight.

For starters, I see adjustment as acquiescing to the fact that the South was defeated, that the United States is governed by laws that must be obeyed, that all people are equal regardless of their skin color or religion or country of origin.

Very Interesting barbK!
I am well aware the coming domestic conflict will be educational, will force us to grow and self transcend, but through it I see a great deal of suffering as well. Furthermore, there is no guarantee the good guys will win.

Fox News, and the pundits of hate radio are busier than ever, using rhetoric describing the impeachment proceedings as a type of rolling coup the Dem party has arrangged.

This will surely inspire far right activists to take up arms against Liberals, etc. In the name of their orange hero whenever and however he is deposed.

Eliseo, I think the adjustment (due to the witnesses testifying) would be an acceptance (by the US Public) that Trump did an impeachable thing when he tried to make Ukraine help him beat Biden (in 2020 election) in order to get their promised money for weapons to protect them from the invading Russians.

I think that everyone has to be listened to and respected. Many white southerners probably feel conflicted or misunderstood.

Unfortunately, racism seems to be tied in here, but I’m not even sure how important that is to white southerners anymore since all the large cities in the South have black majorities and African Americans hold major positions of power. (Of course many more people have been left behind and we have to change that.)

I never totally felt good about taking down the Confederate statues. I would have liked to have seen more multicultural statues added and built in the same areas or nearby.

You know, we seem to see a lot of right wing people as very narrow-minded and authoritarian, patriarchal, linear. But are all of them actually that way?

Unfortunately, I think Trump, Bannon, Miller have brought that out in our culture, for their own selfish purposes. Maybe it was there and had to come out. On the other hand, they gave it form and validation.

There are a lot of people in this country who feel that liberals want to tell them how to live. Anytime you force something on someone, they aren’t going to like it, so we should be careful, unless it truly is morally right (and legal).

Yes Eliseo, it will be quite uncivilized for a while, no doubt. There is definitely some Pluto crud in the US body but until it is exposed for what it is – in broad daylight – it will continue to fester and grow.

I believe it will be the young that will save us. They were born smarter (more conscious) in general about how we (people, planet) are all connected. The tribe mentality – like the patriarchy – must be overcome or it will kill the planet and everything on it.

We can’t let that happen; so soldier on America.

Teresa and Sharon K.

Great observations about confederacy and the south. Hilary C. learned that lesson the hard way. There is great pride in the south and when the democratic elite, i.e. well educated, social justice warriors, force their opinions on folks, it only causes more acrimony. But the pendulum swings, and swing it must. The centuries of black slavery and oppression, is still denied by whites in the south and elsewhere and they can no longer pretend it wasn’t as bad as it really really was. It is the single most deplorable (as H.C. said) stain in American history. Do not underestimate how much it permeates every aspect of political, cultural and moral intercourse.

On another note, I hope Joe biden wins, as he is the only one who can (including Bloomberg) and I truly hope he appoints Buttigieg as his V.P. Sorry, no female VP would send a message better than P.B., and he is smart, fair and knows what it is like to be persecuted despite what blacks think of him and despite that every woman knows what that is like from birth! It would put American back on the world stage as an inclusive forward thinking democracy who cares about the innate value of all its citizens.

I agree with Hillary.

Hillary Clinton said Wednesday she hoped for a return to “boring, normal times” after the 2020 election, voicing skepticism of her party’s populist wing and predicting that Senator Elizabeth Warren’s proposal for single-payer health care would never get enacted.
At The New York Times DealBook conference in New York, Mrs. Clinton said she saw two of the biggest policies embraced by the left in the 2020 Democratic primary — “Medicare for all”-style health care and a tax on the assets of the very wealthy — as unworkable or politically impractical. She said Democrats should pursue the goal of universal health coverage, but through other means.

BarbK, beautiful and I believe true words above about our being saved by the young.

Thank you.

Denise Seigel the you tube astrologer thinks big things will happen to DT in January 2020.

She notes that there will be a malefic on the moon which matches all other impeachments to date. The chart she used is the date and time of the signing of The Constitution.

I don’t understand all of it. I think her November 6th episode is well worth watching. I may have gotten some of the details wrong but I think I am correct about her overall message.

Sharon K.,

Where in Germany are there public monuments to the Nazis who fought and ultimately were defeated during World War II?

There aren’t any, nor should there be. Instead, there are memorials to the Holocaust victims all over.

The U.S. South and the Confederate “lost cause” apologists who still exist could learn much from them.

I say tear down the Confederate monuments and put up in their place, memorials to each of the victims who were tormented and murdered because of racism and hatred, like the lynching museum that recently opened up in Alabama.

When anywhere people go, some stark reminder of the evils perpetuated in the past is sitting there, staring them in the face, it becomes much more difficult to remain blissfully unaware and somehow pretend that human beings are innocent and incapable of such atrocities, and that the Confederacy was somehow justified in breaking away from the Union just to keep African Americans enslaved for profit.

I have always felt that a museum holding all those statues would be honoring history. Honoring history doesn’t deny the horror, it just involves facing our past and our movement into the now and future…

Osthecat, I agree with Denise Seigel. There are some pretty brutal lunar returns in the Orange Blob’s life starting Jan. 21 through February 2020.

And I’m not sure I see a President Pence either.

Amen, BuckeyeShadow.

If such a museum to the Confederacy and its apologist monuments is ever created, let it be done so in the unmistakable context of what it truly represented; humanity at its absolute worst and most vile. Every single person that walks through its doors should feel ashamed and revulsed that such an enterprise–slavery and its defense–was ever undertaken.

‘In The Rodger Stone Trial – Trump is also in the Dock’

“Yes the Republicans with their phony denials are helping Putin. They should throw the book at Roger Stone. He belongs in pinstripes with Manafort and soon to be convicted Flynn.”


I get the feeling most people here are not Millenials (I am age 61 myself). Anyway, following on the “OK Boomer” thing showing up lately on social media, I thought this post by an older Millenial on ElsaElsa’s site was interesting – about their general’s Uranus transit opposite Pluto radicalizing people. https://www.elsaelsa.com/astrology/millennials-are-radicalizing-uranus-opposite-pluto/

Very interesting Les, thank you. I’m a Boomer myself.

SharonK- check this NYT article from Aug. 2019 out. It help to explain how important racism was and remains in this country. Not just in the south, but everywhere.


As a long time lurker, appreciative of all the amazing insight and information on the site, and usually just content just to read and absorb, I felt the need to respond on this thread. There is a glaring lack of actual history concerning the Confederate statues and racism. It’s ok. I get it. I was born and raised in the South. I have a bloodline that travels back through Lee, threads its way through the penal colony of Georgia and continues all the way back to a couple of brothers that floated over on the Mayflower.
I know the power of institutionalized racism, the seemingly invisible hand that avoids touching anyone it doesn’t have to so as not to draw attention to itself. As a white male Southerner I was subject to the lies we tell ourselves as a culture so that we always have an emotional out. But it’s time to let that go.

Confederate statues did not start showing up in mass until 1900, as reconstruction failed and had its teeth pulled.

The catalyst for change was in 1896, Plessy v Ferguson, the trial that brought about ‘separate but equal’. I don’t think I need to explain the problems it created.

Something else, not commonly known is that erecting these statues peaked from 1910 to 1920 as the states were enacting Jim Crow laws. These were not ‘memorials’ to fallen soldiers.

They were reminders, giant metal signs that stated, “We are still in charge.”

There was a second wave of Confederate statues that took off in 1954, immediately in the aftermath of Brown vs Board of Education.

I can abide by leaving the statues in place, but… And this is a big ‘but’. There should be a plaque next to every single one of them that explains the true context of the statues and acknowledges their purpose so that we can all learn from it.

To forget is to repeat…

Bolton won’t testify.

“John Bolton may be a dangerous demogogue, this may be an admirable move on his part. The “Testify or defy?” game has gotten ridiculous, so why not just go to court and press the issue? Then we’ll finally have a legal ruling – one with his name on it, no less – that will stand as precedent for generations of corrupt administrations to come. Putting impeachment aside, I think this may serve a grander purpose, ultimately.”

We need to find out now whether the Constitution and the system of laws applies to the executive office in the privileges it asserts.

On Tuesday, the day before the 1st of the televised Impeachment hearings, trans. Mars will exact its sextile with trans. Jupiter and they will form a Yod with Trump’s MC (reputation) likely symbolic of a shift in how Trump is perceived by the world.

Tuesday’s trans. Mars and Jupiter will also create a Yod to the South Node (no longer serves growth) in the 2012 Winter Solstice chart (believed by some to be the End of the Mayan long count calendar and the beginning of a new cycle for increasing consciousness in humans).

Tying those 2 things together, Trump’s reputation and increased awareness in humanity, it could signal an event or discovery that will reveal something regarding a planet-wide awakening. A Yod becomes a Boomerang when a planet or point opposes the apex of the Yod, in this case it is Trump’s MC in Taurus and the 2012 Winter Solstice’s South Node at the Yod apex.

Therefore, the 2012 Solstice chart’s NORTH Node at 25+ Scorpio completes a Boomerang pattern (most likely already in effect, but exact on the 12th).

All the energies of this Yod (Tuesday’s trans. Mars, Jupiter + Trump’s MC + the 2012 Solstice South Node) will be passed on to the 2012 Solstice NORTH Node (path forward), which, in the US natal chart, would put it in the 11th house of groups/friends, and Trump’s natal chart’s 3rd house (Twitter?), and the 12th house (end of the matter) of the 2012 Solstice chart set in Washington DC.

The thing about that Solstice chart is that it ALREADY had a built-in Yod, starting with its sextile of Saturn and Pluto. 2012 Solstice Saturn and Pluto were both quincunx the 2012 Solstice Jupiter that was conjunct US natal Uranus at 8+ Gemini.

Solstice Jupiter and US Uranus were at the apex of the Yod, the part that is forced to adjust. I believe that this Yod in the 2012 Solstice chart is playing out in the 2019 Trump Impeachment Inquiry. The past is present.

On Tuesday, Nov. 12th, transiting asteroid Requiem will be at 8+ Sagittarius, opposite US Uranus and the 2012 Solstice’s Jupiter at 8+ Gemini, and on that day (the same day of the transiting Mars-Jupiter sextile), trans. Requiem turns the 2012 Winter Solstice Yod into a Boomerang, where all the energies of the 2012 Yod (Saturn + Pluto + Jupiter), aided by US natal Uranus, will land in the lap of transiting Requiem.

Alex Miller on Requiem: “Astrologically, Requiem is a marker of death, change or transformation. It can also indicate acknowledgement of grief, honors paid to the dead, remembrance of those departed and monuments. There can be a sense of cessation, or rest from labors and acceptance of change or loss, coming to terms with loss.”

It could be an interesting day; November 12th.

BarbK: I really enjoy your astrological analysis. It always shines a light.

Robert Hand, one of the leading predictive astrologers of our time, has mentioned that transits to progressed planets are often more indicative of an actual event, than anything else.

I would be interested to hear what you have to say about that and I wondered if Bob uses transits to progressions as well.

Both of you (and Nancy) seem skilled at these kind of predictions, acknowledging that the stars guide, rather than predict.

Liz, my primary (more than 90- 95% of the time) technique is the progressed lunar return that I discovered more than 40 years ago [and have developed and refined since then] once I have created the progressed return my first step to read it is to place the progressed natal chart around it. After that the natal chart, then the eclipses going back 1 year, and if the target date is some time after the birth of the return I may look at transits at the time of the event. I check transits to progressed charts before checking them to the natal even when not using returns.

Now that Rachel Maddow has dragged former acting United States Attorney General Matthew Whitaker’s name back into this mess I will reveal something I discovered decades ago (well, it seemed like it was decades ago).

Veep pence’s wife karen’s first husband was a whitaker! OMG, I feel so much better after getting that off my chest!!!


I’ve had this bookmarked for years….you may find it of interest,
Also touches on the 65′ Pluto/Uranus Conj @ 17 Virgo towards the end.
Long piece with many world events and famous people’s astro.
The chart for Hiroshima has a 17 Virgo ascendant.
Do check out the complete article because world events are in between people’s astrology.

Posted Aug. 28, 2007
©Michele Adler, 2007

18 19 degrees of Virgo /Pisces and the Eclipse September 2007
Summary of article:
“The following article covers the significance of the 18 19
degrees of Virgo and Pisces, as related to the eclipse of Sept 11, 2007. It identifies themes associated with this degree based on research into events and irections/progressions/diurnals of people during critical times of their lives. There is a
focus on the eclipse of Sept11, 1969, because many of the themes of these degrees were clearly illustrated at that time. The article also includes a listing of
famous people with this degree axis in their natal charts, and past conjunctions of planets in this degree.”


Great analysis at 8:11 pm post!

Has anybody ever mentioned that the Blob’s MC is just 2 degrees off the fixed star ALGOL? “the most wicked stars in the sky.”

Thank You Bob!
Now that you went there I also needed to get something off my chest too. LOL

“Karen Pence, Your Future Second Lady, Sells the Least Useful Item In Existence”


I want to explain my remarks about the statues. As a Pisces/Aquarius, I’m aware that everyone has their own story to tell and should be listened to. I want to know how individuals feel, what their attitudes are, where they come from, and think it could be very productive to establish dialogues between people as opposed to disregarding their opinions and forcing something on them. This will not lead to understanding.

In almost all cases where these 150 y.o. statues were removed from New Orleans (the first city to do this), no one thought about who they were, whether they were racists, what they stood for, nor invested them with much meaning – they were just dashing, impressive military poses of figures in Southern history. Although Winston Marsalis, a revered African American jazz musician in this city, is said to have given the idea to Mitch Landrieu, our mayor, to remove the statues, I heard African Americans interviewed who didn’t really understand why this was happening at this time and didn’t appear to be bothered by the statues. Maybe it was a good thing, and opened a gate, both physically and spiritually to a better and higher way of life, that led to more equality, and that subconsciously these statues did create a odious barrier. I can see that, but I also can understand why many people in the culture felt disregarded – people who are not racists, but who have a cultural identity. This feeds right into the idea that over-educated liberals think they are better than them and want to tell them how to live. There was something about it that did not feel right to me.

How are things at the Whistle Stop Cafe, Izzy? I know you’re really Idgie.

By: Bob on November 4th, 2019, at 9:06 am

“Possible capitulation by trump on the 17th (on the QT) when he contacts madam Speaker to offer her a deal (his resignation) following the next 2 weeks of testimonies.”

Will Nancy will make him an offer he can’t refuse then send him to his room?

Liz, thanks for your interesting comment and I too greatly respect Robert Hand. There are an enormous number of disciplines astrologers have to follow when prying out patterns that lead to some kind of conclusion or just possible outcomes of the future.

I think everyone who is really fascinated by astrology develops a number of approaches that work for them and even discover new techniques from other astrologers. Nancy sold me on the value of the Inauguration charts and Bob on the progressed lunar return charts. It kind of reminds me of molding clay; it feels good and often leads to creating something useful!

What’s been happening for the last few years for me is seeing a planet or point in a degree in some chart (or ephemeris) that links to another chart I’m familiar with, and I’m off on a wild goose chase to discover a connection between them.

I just realized, for example, that the US progressed Neptune (escape reality) in Virgo is sextile the US progressed North Node (path forward) in Cancer and they form a Yod to the US NATAL Pallas (strategy) in Aquarius which is conjunct the US NATAL Moon (US people) which must “adjust” to the pressure exerted by prog. Neptune and the prog. North Node.

The US natal Pallas (strategy) and Moon (People) oppose Trump’s natal Mars (action) in Leo which turns the Yod into a Boomerang, and thus the pressure on US natal Pallas and Moon is pushed onto the Trump Mars, and voila, change happens!

I love the wide open spaces of astrology while also respecting the disciplines that have been handed down for many centuries. If transits to progressed planets or ancient charts work then use them. If midpoints explain things otherwise un-explainable that’s great. If cycles provide understanding as to why change happens, then learn from them. Be creative I say.

Izzy, it sounds fascinating! I’ll check it out – thank you very much.

Lamis, I heard that but had forgotten about awful Algol – thanks for noting. I left out of the 8:11 comment that Trump’s MC opposes his IC so all the Yod impact on his MC (the apex of the Yod on Tuesday) is transferred to his IC (roots), just like the South Node in the 2012 Solstice transfers all the Yod energy to 2012 Solstice North Node. (Mercury retrograde, don’cha know)

Sharon – my first marriage was to a man from Alabama. Although politics wasn’t his cup of tea when we were together, it sure is now. He’s a Trumper, of course. And I discovered some years after our marriage (after our daughter was born) that we was every bit as racist as I thought he *wasn’t.* He was just excellent at hiding it because he’d been either military or state trooper all his adult life. There were consequences for letting down that mask.

He hated anyone telling him what to do, too. Funny thing is, he sure didn’t have a problem telling ME what to do — or, particularly, what NOT to do… like, don’t buy that $10 dress from kMart, even tho we were both in the military, or don’t go to college once I was out (the reason our marriage ended).

Problem is, while one group of people detests being told what to do, they often turn around and do that very same thing back.

In the immortal words of River Tam from “Serenity,” we meddle. “People don’t like to be meddled with. We tell them what to do, what to think, don’t run, don’t walk. We’re in their homes and in their heads and we haven’t the right. We’re meddlesome.”

Whatever happened to “live and let live?”

Sharon, I apologize… it was a message from Teresa I was responding to, not yours. Early morning eyes… need more caffeine! (gryn)

Bob — Veep’s wife was married prior to Veep? Oh, get me the fainting couch! I thought that was against their religion?! Or… was she not so religious during those early hay-days?

I’ve had heartburn since seeing a Tom Steyer commerical show up here in Midwest, and hearing that Bloomberg is talking about getting into the race.

Either of those two, if they’re running as Democrats, would have no compunction against running as Independents if they lose the Dem nomination.

Add to that the statement that I just read from (allegedly) Bill Gates that he’d vote Trump over Warren, and we can SEE who would be the champion of the common people!

Not even Bernie has these multi-billionaires running terrified like Elizabeth.

And to add insult to injury, NOW the press is even talking about her like she’s a “girl”… what she’s wearing, etc… anything to tear down a strong woman.

I’m incensed. My first thought is “Elizabeth, you go girl!” My second thought is sheer stark raving terror — if she gets the nod, would it insure another “CEO” president? Trump, again?! I don’t know about you guys, but neither my peace of mind nor my bank account can stand another “Business man” buying the Presidency.

I don’t think our democracy can outlast it, either….

“Blue – no matter who”… but I’d sure love to vote for a woman who’s intelligent, kind, comes from people of the sod like me, and cares enough to work FOR the common person. I’m 63… I don’t think I’ve got too many more Presidential elections left… and Liz really fits my bill. (sigh)

Do you have a link for the Bill Gates comment? His parents, particularly his mother were major philanthropists. He was raised with noblesse oblige values.
Considering his past associations, and positions, it’s hard to believe that he’d vote Trump over Warren, but maybe she does indeed scare him and the other superrich fat cats enough to go with the narcissistic, pro-Russian, America be damned sociopath. Who knows?

I agree we can see who would be the champion of the common people. E. Warren has some excellent ideas which in effect would lead to a democratization of our economy. I’m sure many rich, upper class moderates and liberals are fine with our economic structure as is. After all, they benefit from it, as is.

Although you and I, and probably everyone else on this blog is fine with a female president, I’m told the bulk of our military personnel are not. What is your assessment?

“Whether Trump will actually be convicted is unknown, but this crippling and traumatizing seven weeks seems likely to do permanent damage irrespective of the outcome in the Senate.”

This is by far my one of my favorite sentences.

Bob….In other words you’d like me to send you some honey,yes?


“Fried Green Tomatoes” – great film, Bob & Izzy!

remember scott brown? Trump appointed him as ambassador to NZ. He just announced he is leaving end of next year to become dean of Boston law school. I have to wonder if hes sick of trump or sick of politics? I think hes had a steep learning curve – in like a lion, out like a lamb. Not a lot of trumpsters in this country.

Here is something that could go badly for trump on the 12th.


If you look at the US natal chart you see that all the transiting (major) outer planets are in the inner (not visible) side of the chart – from 12 degrees of Sagittarius through to 12 degrees of Gemini. It is an inner turmoil, not really visible on the surface, that is tearing up the United States.

In the 2nd house, Capricorn, there is transiting Saturn and Pluto, in the 3rd house trans. Neptune is in Pisces, at the 4th house root (IC) there is trans. Chiron (and natal Chiron too) in Aries and in the 5th house trans. Uranus is in Taurus. All of this is part of the private side of the body of the USA. The outer planets symbolize energies beyond the typical human range of experience and therefore these energies throw human beings out of sync.

Internal problems are just that; they are hidden within and not easily diagnosed. Only 3 of the 10 major planets in the US natal chart are found in the internal (bottom half) side of the US chart; Pluto in the 2nd house of values and material goods, Moon in the 3rd house of communication and neighbors and Uranus in the 6th house of service and health.

These 3 houses, the 2nd, 3rd and 6th are areas where we, the USA, have major problems such as staying within budgets (house #2), issues with neighbors (house #3), health care and sufficient jobs for US citizens (house #6).

There is also transiting Chiron at the 4th house cusp, the roots of the US natal chart. This is the Family so-to-speak, the integration of all the various nationalities who call this country home, and it is possibly the most damaging malady of all.

These transiting outer planets symbolize a repairing process in all the areas of the USA and, like any patient going through surgery or therapy or even diagnosis, it is uncomfortable, and can even be painful. We are a whiny lot, what with our Cancer Sun, and not only resent the intrusion of remedial service, but are suspicious of it.

I’m no doctor, but I believe this patient, our homeland, can be cured of most of it’s ills, but it will be stressful, scary at times and very uncomfortable – if not downright painful.

But, if we want to live, and we have faith and courage; if we can visualize our future as strong and healthy, if we can see ourselves as whole; a nation that welcomes any foreigner who wants to contribute to our country’s achievements, we can weather this period of purging/healing; I call it transformation and increased consciousness.

Henri, thanks for the link. The stock market is not my forte, but this could be the Boomerang Effect I’ll be watching for on Tuesday.

BarbK, far be it for me to correct you but I don’t think staying within budgets is what Pluto in the 2nd is about. I think it’s transforming our values from all about money to self worth and self esteem in ourselves and in others. Just my opinion.

Slightkc, don’t be so quick, pls. To write Michael Bloomberg off just because he has a lot of money and has been a CEO. He was a very good mayor of NY for 3 terms. He’s personally spent a LOT of money on climate change and gun control issues. I believe him to have integrity and want what’s best for this country. I don’t think he can make it through the Democratic primaries because too many Dems want very progressive changes and a woman which could cause us to lose the election. I think if it’s Bloomberg vs. Trump, Bloomberg will win because he will bring in
many, many moderate Republicans.

Keep an open mind, the election is a long way off and a lot can change between now and then.

Izzy, that was what my very next post to you was going to be! I figured you were still a ‘Bee Chahma’. Been in any food fights in the kitchen lately? 🙂

Yes it is a great film (IMO) Sharon. I had to watch it again today.

I Remember You by Grayson Hugh


A better video of “I Remember You”


and by Ruth’s later relatives (i think – idk)



Oh dear Banks, I like your example better too! I was just trying to keep it simple. Thank you for sharing your opinion.

Since I’m here, I’d like to flesh out the Mars-Jupiter cycle, from whence the Mars-Jupiter sextile on Tuesday, Nov. 12th springs. They met at 17 Scorpio 55 and were sextile the Sun-Venus-Pluto conjunction 16 to 18 Capricorn on January 6, 2018.

This potent sextile formed a Yod with Trump’s natal Uranus at 17+ Gemini, meaning that during the following 2 years Trump’s wild and crazy Uranus would be forced to adjust. Seems we are right on track for that. At that time (Jan. 2018) transiting asteroid Chaos was conjunct Trump’s Sun at 22+ Gemini and square US Neptune at 22+ Virgo (where the Moon in the Mars-Jupiter cycle start chart was.)

Which leads me to another Yod in this Mars-Jupiter chart and it is self contained. The Moon at 23+ Virgo (and conjunct the US natal Neptune at 22+ Virgo) was sextile Vesta (what’s invested in) at 26+ Scorpio, and they formed a Yod to Eris, Uranus and Pallas (strategy) at 22 – 26 Aries, all in the same chart, that of the Mars-Jupiter cycle.

Could all this have something to do with the stock market? (strategy, investment, Sun-Venus-Pluto conjunction and Moon conjunct US Neptune?)

As always, transiting Chiron was 30 degrees behind transiting Uranus, at 24+ Pisces and opposite the transiting Moon at 23+ Virgo in this Mars-Jupiter cycle chart. Every time a planet has to deal with trans. Uranus it also has to deal with trans. Chiron too, and this has been happening for the last 10 years.

It turns out that transiting Chiron in Pisces was also trine trans. Vesta in Scorpio (part of the Yod with the Moon and Uranus, etc.) at that Mars-Jupiter conjunction in 2018. Since Vesta is about investments and she was trine Chiron (wounding leads to healing) which opposed the Moon (the People) . . . . .

Further complicating matters, Chiron at that time was square the same chart’s Mercury at 24+ Sagittarius (where transiting Jupiter was just 4 days ago I might add) but Mercury was TRINE Uranus at the same time.

I know, I know, this Tuesday’s sextile between Mars and Jupiter is complicated enough what with triggering the Mayan Calendar End and all that jazz, but their own cycle (Mars and Jupiter) is full of intrigue AND to make matters worse, transiting Sedna (under water) in Taurus was opposite Vesta in Scorpio (part of the Yod with Moon and Uranus) at the start of the present Mars-Jupiter cycle.

Read Henri’s article about Trump’s speech on Tuesday and see what you think.

The Visit To Nepal: In Search Of A Perfect Cure

We had planned our weeks visit to Kathmandu, Nepal several months ago. As an American expatriate living in India, it is required to exit the country twice a year. As a rule, I never check the ephemeris for positive aspects when traveling. The priority is more in terms of what is cost effective and convenient. The week before our departure however I learned that the October 31st Mercury retrograde was occurring within several hours of our scheduled departure. Be prepared for any eventuality I thought to myself. My wife doesn’t pay attention to those sort of things, so nothing lost, nothing gained.

The two hour flight from Pune (India) to Delhi went without incident. No problem there. The shuttle from terminal 1 to terminal 3 was equally uneventful, that is, until we arrived at the international terminal. We had a connecting flight to Kathmandu at terminal 3. It had just been evacuated and in lockdown due to a b-o-m-b discovered inside the entrance terminal. Hundreds of people were milling about outside the terminal area not sure how to proceed. No clear instructions were given. Flights were being either delayed or canceled. Luckily we had a 5 hour layover in Delhi. Perhaps things would clear by then? To our great relief, things did indeed eventually clear. The police successfully disarmed the device allowing us to board without incident save for the minor inconvenience of a one hour delay. We arrived at my favorite haunting ground in Kathmandu; the Summit Hotel. We were informed that the room we had requested was only available for two days. We might have to switch to a less desired room or so we were told. As it turned out, that too was eventually resolved.

So…. in search of an Ayurvedic doctor for the treatment of a herniated disc. We did find one, but the treatment felt inadequate. What I really wanted was a chiropractor (they are practically non existent in India). We did finally locate a chiropractor; a Canadian-Indian lady (the only chiropractor in Nepal I was told!) at a certain designated hospital. After some pleasantries; we learned that this chiropractor was fully booked weeks in advance. Nevertheless, the visit to Nepal was quite enjoyable. See composite photo…….


The return proved to be equally perplexing. Upon arrival in Delhi we were abruptly informed that the connecting flight from Delhi to Pune was cancelled (no reason given). There were no viable options except to try to fly standby over a period of days, without any guarantees. To a westerner, accustomed to efficient service, the notion that a passenger had to make ones own arrangements without any help from the airline and no compensatory hotel accomodations strained all sense of credulity. After many hours, much persuasion and coaxing, we managed to arrange a circuitous routing; Delhi to Lucknow and then to Pune the following day. Fortunately for us, my wife has family in Delhi. We had a most enjoyable overnight stay with them. My brother in law took me to a physio therapist he recently visited for a herniated disc. His problem was alleviated within 11 days. The session I had with this physio therapist was rewarding and gave me hope. Things were looking up.

Our hired car drive from Pune airport to our house at Meherabad; about a two hour drive a few days ago was another mind bending experience. The man’s driving was erratic and hair-raising. It was early in the morning. He had a tendency to speed, weaving in and out of cars, leaving virtually little room for error with the added disconcerting action of alternately pressing on the accelerator and touching on the brakes every few seconds. And then, just as inexplicably, every so often he would slow down noticeably, letting other cars pass. His erratic behavior caused other drivers to honk their horns. His slightly slurred speech made it fairly obvious he was sleep deprived. It seemed as though he was deliberately driving in this fashion to keep awake. We tried to calm him down and keep him focused. The clincher for me was when he engaged in a long-winded conversation with a friend on his cell phone. At that point, the situation became almost intolerable. I felt he wasn’t paying sufficient attention to the road. I wanted to say something to the driver but my wife kept stopping me from doing so. She felt if something was said we risked being left stranded in the middle of nowhere. She knows the culture or at least that is what she kept insisting. And so a stalemate prevailed. My wife and I would occasionally find ourselves slipping into a loud argument back and forth about this, depending on how close we came to colliding into another car. The driver seemed oblivious to all this (he was too involved in his friendly phone conversation. He couldn’t speak English in any case). Taking Gods name was my only recourse. We finally made it to the house, shaken but without mishap. Once we entered the house we laughed and hugged. It seemed so absurd and yet funny at the same time. Toss it up to Mercury retrograde (communication difficulties).

As fate would have it, an American chiropractor just arrived at Meherabad for a long visit. He has agreed to set up appointments for treatment. Situation resolved.

So here is a positive astrological spin on Mercury retrograde…….

Positive Effects of Mercury Retrograde


And here are some notes on a previous visit of mine to Nepal some 15 years ago….

July 4, 2003

A Post Card Impression of Kathmandu, Nepal

Kathmandu resides within close proximity of the majestic high Anna Purna Himalayan mountain ranges and is quite striking when seen in its vast panoramic view on a clear day. It has been a perpetual delight to explore this quaint, ancient land that regally sits high up in elevation, overlooking the Indian subcontinent from the North. There is an inherently strong accented Tibetan Buddhist influence here (although elements of Hinduism are also in clear evidence) lending a unique atmosphere to this region that is absolutely charming and memorable. The culture exudes strong spiritual traditions, but at the same time is unassuming in its tolerance towards other religions. Nepal is rightly called the ‘Himalayan Kingdom’. The people are very gentle and friendly and the architecture is exquisite.

Two friends with whom I am traveling, are staying with a delightful Nepali family in a beautiful suburban district of Katmandu called Patan. This particular family are Indian by birth, but very western and progressive in their way of life (they lived in Canada for thirty years). They mix easily with the social environment and have a wonderful regard for the culture. Urmilla (the wife) is the primary inspiration behind an arts and handicrafts school they own, employing many of the underprivileged locals. They export these handicrafts to many areas of the world; ranging from hand loomed fabrics to pottery. It’s a non profit organization that relies predominantly on grants. It’s a marvelous and touching operation to witness. The selflessness in which everyone contributes to this project derives many of its inspirational guidelines directly from Mahatma Ghandi’s principles (Urmilla lived in the Gandhi retreat in Nagpur, India as a child).

We have been using Urmilla’s driver to negotiate our way around town; visiting the various historic sites that are located in the Kathmandu area and surrounding countryside. My hotel, rests within 10 minutes of walking distance of the guest house my friends are staying in; also located in the Patan area. The nest where I have taken up temporary residence – the Summit hotel, is superb in its attention to detail in the old world tradition of Nepalese decor and architecture. Lavish gardens, tall trees and inner courtyards with its outer perimeter lined with lovely, artistically designed rooms, intricate wooden carved balconies and railings and huge museum-like wood carving pieces located in strategic places on the outer walls, creates a magical, quiet atmosphere. Considered a luxury hotel by any standard – it was procured for only $40 a night (includes breakfast buffet). I managed to negotiate a 30 % discount due to the off season monsoon period.

We visited Pashupatinath today. Many monkeys and quite a fair number of Sadhus inhabit the innumerable temples there. The dead are cremated on the banks of the river with simple fanfare (we arrived in time for one of these cremation ceremonies). In previous days our various visits to the areas where the huge Buddha Stupas (temples) are situated, has been of particular fascination to me. The two eyes and squiggly nose (the nose shaped in the form of a question mark) conveys the feeling that the all seeing Divine eye is forever upon one. In an old, well preserved Tibetan monastery at the Swayambhu hill shrine where one of the most famous Buddhist Stupas reside, we found a comfortable corner in front of a large brass bowl that contained a lit candle and a prayer wheel perched on top. We managed to discreetly, softly repeat Baba’s prayers there.

This land is enchanting. All three of us are in wonderment of the culture; the simplicity and beauty of the people. Although neighboring India does exert its influence (via Hindi films and similarities in the Hindi script etc.), nevertheless at the same time, the Nepalese culture, accompanied as it is by various shades of Tibetan Buddhist influence, seems to evoke an entirely distinct and different cultural experience. It feels like home – very warm and inviting. I don’t think this can ever fully be captured by words or photos alone, but my traveling companions are taking lots of photos. Our week foray into Nepal will come to an end on July 7th and with our arrival at Meherabad on the 9th (just in time for Silence day), these photos can be developed.

Speaking of photos…. portraits of the esteemed Dalai Lama adorn many shops and homes here. He seems to be the embodiment of what this country holds dear. The sensitivity and reverence for all living creatures prevails in this great Himalayan Kingdom.

Thank you, Jerry. I really enjoyed your very interesting, well-written narrative. The drive home sounds harrowing and I’m glad you and your wife could laugh about it.

I thank you too Jerry. In the past I have posted against the length of your posts but this morning when I saw your post I thought “He posts so seldomly while some of us post almost daily. Let him have his space. He doesn’t take as much as we do.”

And I did find your post to be interesting also. was that you in the picture? Who sits beneath the lion’s belly?

I have read your posts going back to the old Political Astrology Group founded by Judy Johns but know little about you except that you are in India. If you feel like sharing I am interested in where you were born, how long have you been an expat, why, how did you meet your wife, what work do, or did, you do in India.

Watching Elizabeth Warren now.


‘Trump’s Frantic Fight for Immunity
As public impeachment hearings begin, Trump’s Presidency is still defined by his belief that he cannot be held to account.’

“The House isn’t waiting for all the missing witnesses to appear, or for all the cases to reach the Supreme Court. Instead, Adam Schiff, the chair of the House Intelligence Committee, warned last week that the President’s frantic efforts to sabotage the process could, in themselves, be impeachable offenses.”


There was a march this week-end to re-create the 1811 German Coast slave uprising in LA that was mean to free all slaves between the march’s origin point up to and including New Orleans. It sounds very empowering. https://www.npr.org/2019/11/09/777810796/hundreds-march-in-reenactment-of-a-historic-but-long-forgotten-slave-rebellion

I would think that the removing of the Confederate Statues actually did clear a path and open a space to greater self-esteem and empowerment, on a causal level and that is probably the most important result.

My earlier comments are more general. Sometimes this type of confrontation is called for but, as I look at the landscape we are dealing with, it often occurs to me (and my friend who specializes in conflict resolution and cross cultural dialogue) that we should be doing more communicating, especially listening, and less judging up front. I am always encouraging my friend, who has done wonderful, colorful art depictions relating to this theme of how people feel inside and the need to actually talk to each other about it, to both broaden her work and include white people even more. She has created a book of her art and philosophy that she is looking to publish and also has a concept for bringing cross cultural dialogue (across races, religions, ethnicities, etc.) to many venues. In some schools these days they use a technique called “restorative justice” where all parties involved in a negative action meet, 3rd party representatives (counselors, teachers, students) attend, the perpetrator and victim get a chance to express feelings and, together, a just solution is arrived at. We really, really need to go in this direction as much as is possible (some people won’t be able to, of course).

Hi Bob,

Happy to answer those questions for you. Yes. That is me pictured on the left posing in front of the lion statue.

Born in Los Angeles. Grew up in NYC. Moved to Myrtle Beach, SC to be near the Meher Baba Center in 1975. Met my wife here in India (she is of Indian origin) about 20 years ago. We married in early 2015. As far as taking up residence in India, perhaps you might find my 2011 Facebook post of interest. It covers those events in detail. I had since transferred that text to my wordpress account to make it easier to read and access. Here is the link………


barb- Here is a relatively simple explanation of how American (and others) capitalism is failing and how it needs to change. It’s interesting because the ideas of the change sound very Aquarian to me.


barb- Here is a relatively simple explanation of how American (and others) capitalism is failing and how it needs to change. It’s interesting because the ideas of the change sound very Aquarian to me.


Jerry, how delightful to read some personal color of your experiences and observations from your neck of the woods. Thank you for sharing!

Sharon, re your 12.20 post: Understanding and incorporating elements of Hawaii’s ancient Hooponopono (akin to ‘restorative justice’) is helpful. When I left Hawaii the justice system was incorporating it into their legal process with good outcomes.

Thank you for your reply Jerry. I did not expect so much!

I think that due to losing my family suddenly when I was 14 I came to not value hanging on to anything I did not need for survival and can give (share) even my last penny with another and have done so on more than one occasion. As your friend Pat Sumner quipped “it’s only money”.

Thank you again. May good life come your way.


This one is for Liz. On Tuesday, November 12th, transiting Neptune at 15+ Pisces will trine the US PROGRESSED Jupiter at 15+ Cancer (2 degrees from US natal Sun), and along with transiting Mercury at 17+ Scorpio, they form a grand trine in water signs.

Because all 3 are in retrograde motion their influence will likely be delayed for a while. Because both trans. Mercury and US prog. Jupiter are involved in the transmission of ideas or communication, it could be secret information (trans. Neptune) that this powerful Grand Trine energy drive is about.

Speaking of retrogrades, it has come to my attention that Trump’s natal retrograde Jupiter at 17+ Libra (where the US progressed retrograde Mars is) was just a few hours away from stationing direct.

In other words, Jupiter was stationary at Trump’s birth, accounting for his extraordinary sense of entitlement. In the 2nd house of Trump’s birth chart, Jupiter, especially a stationary Jupiter, would demand an appearance of untold wealth, and therefore he doesn’t tell!

Anyway, we know that on Tuesday transiting Mars and transiting Jupiter will exact their sextile, which will activate their own cycle that began Jan. 26, 2018, and it will affect Trump’s MC, causing it to shift uncomfortably.

We also know that this Mars-Jupiter sextile will activate the North and South Nodes in the 2012 Winter Solstice chart (aka the end of the Mayan calendar and the beginning of something big), a solstice that was/is connected to the US natal Uranus at 8+ Gemini.

Tuesday, Nov. 12th is also when the Full Moon conjuncts the US natal Vesta, AND transiting Vesta, all at 19+ Taurus.

We know that this FM+Vesta+US Vesta at 19+ Taurus will trine transiting Pluto (21+ Cap) and transiting Saturn (16+ Cap), and all of them trine US natal Neptune (22+ Virgo). This Full Moon also conjuncts Nancy Pelosi’s natal Uranus at 19+ Taurus, and the FM Mercury (17+ Scorpio) trines her natal Mercury (17+ Pisces).

This Full Moon + Vesta (symbol of investments and of focus) is tying together events and people going back to at least the end of 2012. For the US, this FM in Taurus is all about values, and logic tells us the Impeachment inquiry of Donald Trump is where it all comes together.

More you should know about Tuesday’s astrology:

1. Tuesday’s Full Moon chart (with the FM conjunct Vesta in Taurus trine US Neptune in Virgo and trine Saturn and Pluto in Capricorn) has Mercury in Scorpio in the same degree that the Jupiter-Mars conjunction took place in January 2018, and now Jupiter and Mars are in their final sextile with each other in this Full Moon chart.

2. Tuesday’s Full Moon in Taurus opposes retrograde Mercury (17+ Scorpio) as well as the January 6, 2018, conjunction of Mars and Jupiter (17+ Scorpio) that started their cycle. This FM Mercury will quincunx Trump’s natal Uranus in Gemini, as does the January 2018 Mars-Jupiter conjunction. More adjusting. The new Mars-Jupiter cycle starts next March.

3. A reminder that the FM Mercury degree (+ the start of the present Mars-Jupiter cycle) at 17+ Scorpio trines the FM Neptune at 15+ Pisces and the US progressed Jupiter at 15+ Cancer.

4. This Mars-Jupiter cycle has created hardship on Trump what with its chart’s Moon in Virgo (conjunct US natal Neptune) opposite Chiron in Pisces creating a Grand Cross with Trump’s Gemini Sun opposite his Sagittarius Moon.

It looks to be a disaster for Trump, this Full Moon conjunct the very focused US Vesta. His words will come back to bite him in his buttocks.


Beautiful impressions and gorgeous prose from Tibet and India – and I felt I was in that horrid cab ride with you!

Thank you for sharing your rich observations and poetic writing.

Thanks for the warm thoughts Will (Sharon, Kiwi and Bob as well). It is appreciated. Although I am retired, luckily my wife still teaches (at one of the local public schools). Otherwise, we would both be in trouble. The following photo is self-explanatory………..


NewsScope for November 11, 2019
By Michael O’Reilly

Michael Bloomberg’s Mars at 18º Taurus falls in line with this Mercury transit, as it energizes his political agenda on a national level. So does the U.S. Vesta, located at 19º Taurus.


“A German Newspaper Printed What No American Paper Has “Donald #Trump is not fit to be president of the United States. He does not possess the requisite intellect and does not understand the significance of the office he holds nor the tasks associated with”


We Dems need to get serious about beating Trump or whomever the R’s run for potus in 2020. As much as we all would like to see a woman as president in our lifetime, as much as I personally like and agree with many of the ideas of Bernie, and E. Warren, we can’t afford to lose this election because we were too politically correct. Many voters who don’t like or even despise Trump will stay home and not vote if they feel the Dem candidate is too radical.

Now EW has stated she wants to ban fracking completely on her first day in office.
Whether you are for or against fracking, it has led to energy independence for the USA and created quite a number of jobs. I truly admire and agree with many of EW’s ideas, but I also see how so many Ams would be very uncomfortable voting for her.

To win a year from now, we need a flexible moderate who can veer right or left as circumstances require.

I agree 100%, Eliseo, or we will lose the House and other gains we have made, judging by what happened after Obamacare passed. People want who they want, and don’t want to settle for anything less. I see it in Democrats all around me, but we have to be very careful that we’re not wearing blinders and of the repercussions of wanting it all — and maybe even getting it (even if what we want appears to be the right thing — as there are many ways to get to Rome, not just one).

. . and so, who are we going to run as the Democrat for US President in 2021? Joe Biden?

I’d be on board with this theory (bypass who we personally prefer so as to get the majority of votes for the Dems, so as to beat the Pubs/Trump), especially if Warren was on the ticket as VP.

Do you think Joe and Elizabeth would bite the bullet (for the country and for the Dem party)? I believe Bob said at one point that this would be a do-nothing term (based on the astrology) and that would make sense with a Biden-Warren win in 2020. If we can get those two to cooperate with each other, who knows, we might get the House and Senate to work together too!

Count me in.

barbk, I have never said any term would be a do-nothing term that I can recall. The only likelihood of such a statement by me that I can think of would apply to the current Senate or possibly if the Dems do not take the majority in the next Senate while retaining the House and also gaining the WH. Can you source where I posted that?

My charts show Thurday, November 14 to be worse than Wednesday for tRump. I think it will be because of response to Wednesday’s testimonies by the media and the public.

Barb, it was either Henri or Andre who said that….I believe it was Henri. I believe he said something about a one-term president who would be transitional to a more progressive era.

barbK, SharonK,
I’d be on board with a Biden/Warren ticket. At this moment I feel that would be the best way to win with who we have. It would be a good way to unite the party and would also conform to my suspicion the next elected president will die in office (Tecumseh’s curse returned). (Isn’t that a Jupiter cycle? I forget)

Biden would be 78, Warren 71 in January 2021 at time of inauguration. Presuming a Dem wins in 2020, they would likely preside during the most stressful circumstances since the Am. Civil War. Stress kills. Duh.

Biden would be a good caretaker president, but Warren would seem more consistent with Pluto’s entrance into Aquarius, 2023-2024.

Another possibility, one other than a change of presidency in 2023, would be an overwhelming Dem victory in Nov. 2022, giving the Dems a 2/3 majority in both houses. Surely, a flurry of humanitarian legislation would follow beginning in January 2023.

Then again, I also feel world and domestic events from 2016 through 2030 will be eventually regarded by historians as the weirdest years of American history. Our next president could well be someone most of us have never heard of.

Putin is being hit hard by transiting Saturn and Pluto. The hard hits will intensify through January 2020.

Thanks Bob and Sharon for clarifying what I could not remember verbatim, and actually “do nothing” was my own interpretation, over-simplified for mental filing purposes.

My point was that major initiatives were not intended for this next president’s term, according to astrology, but rather a period to re-group and, if a Dem president, repair and hold space for the next Dem president.

If that person elected in 2020 were to be Joe Biden, respected by most and favored by women of color, a woman, or a person of color or a gay person as vice president would have 4 years to establish his or her own respectability. These things take time.

I thought Warren would be good in that position, due to her relationship with the new 2020 Jupiter-Saturn cycle start at 0+ Aquarius which I noted a couple of times over the last year.

She also has natal Mars conjunct US natal Uranus (bold, even shocking innovation) at 8+ Gemini.

It was also where Jupiter was in the 2012 Winter Solstice (associated with world evolution) which was at the apex of the 2012 Solstice chart’s Yod with its Pluto-Saturn sextile. And since their new cycle (Pluto and Saturn) is about to start with thunderous applause, it seemed almost logical that Elizabeth Warren would be in a position to take advantage of that for her country’s and the world’s sake. I could be wrong.

A Message to PBS: Televise the Trump Impeachment Hearings for All to See


Volodymyr Zelensky (current president of Ukraine)

Natal Pluto noon chart in longitude was at 16°41′ Libra. It is now being squared by transit Saturn in longitude. Was squared by transit Pluto in 2016 and 2017.

Natal Pluto noon chart at 202°00′ in right ascension; squared by transit Saturn on this coming December 22nd.

Progressed Pluto will be squared by transit Saturn jn right ascension on December 19th at 201°35′.

It is currently being squared by transiting Pluto in right ascension and will be within a 3° orb deep into January 2020.

Volodymyr Zelensky date of birth:

January 25, 1978
Kryvyi Rih, Ukraine

Bannon Admits Trump’s Cabinet Nominees Were Selected To Destroy Their Agencies.


Eliseo and Sharon, you both are so right, imo the Dems seem to be on a path to help elect Trump for another term , whether they mean to or not. And it’s infuriating and terrifying.

I listen to many Republican podcasts, ones from ‘Never Trumpers’ mostly and i hear this time and time again, the Dems need the swing voters, the ones who voted for Obama and then voted for Trump. If they see the Dems going far left with a ‘radical’ candidate like warren or sanders, they will just vote again for the devil they know but feel safer with.

Right now the only mission should be to get the monster out of office , however they are going along as if we are living in normal times. Biden is the one who can beat Trump yet they are not getting on board with him yet, not really. The candidate needs to be the one most likely to beat Trump, And they can put someone on the VIP ticket that can help get them there too.

There’s a reason why Trump has not been calling warren Pocahontas these days, it’s because he is hoping beyond hope that she is the candidate. Everything that is going on with Ukraine and him wanting them to investigate Biden tells you that he is scared of Biden.

Btw, Did anyone see Biden on the CNN townhall last night? He was great!

EXCERPT “Change is coming. Humanity rises. These protests all have one thing in common – economics. Younger people in particular see no future for themselves, aside from endless struggle to make ends meet. That economic model manifests in our evergrowing wealth disparity, corruption, steady eroding of people’s living standards and the increasing gulf in understanding between power brokers in those nations and the lot of the average family. People really struggle these days. Saturn and Pluto in Capricorn are signaling the changes happening in our cultures. And in the first of the year we have the conjunction of the two, activating two eclipses at the same time. It will be one of our biggest astrological events in recent years. And it will be good for instigating a crisis or two, which we appear to sorely need in order to motivate enough people to overturn those systems which are holding us back. That conjunction could also signal powerful leaders stepping forward in order to usher those changes through. It is one of those, “Our moment has come!” type of events. It all makes for the stuff of a good Scorpio drama, even though the astrological event is in Capricorn. Yet, Scorpio rules the human kingdom. With that said, it is worth delving into that sign a little deeper than we have in the past. To start, consider the following: “…


This might be what you’re seeing around the 17th. If this happened it would give him a reason to resign.


There is a great article in Politico about how three R sen could change rules and have secret ballot on removing Trump, the prospect of which would lead to Trump making a deal with multiple DAs and Pence for pardon. The scenario falls right in line with Bob’s prediction of a deal Trump will make next week! Here’s the link: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/11/12/path-to-removing-donald-trump-from-office-229911

Angellight, so glad you posted this (9:42 AM). I was just thinking how we all should wait until after January to make our decisions about who would be the best candidate to win. Saturn conjunct Pluto will change the world.

“Saturn conjunct Pluto WILL change the world.” Yes, I’ve been feeling/thinking that too. My intuitive feeling is this conjunction will be stronger than it usually has been. Am I off base in that presumption?

Sharon K – re: post of Michael Bloomberg’s astrology chart w/26* Cancer rising, 25* Aquarius Moon, 17* Aquarius Moon….

I was reminded of an old article on Neptune Cafe re: Presidential Politics. Considering Bloomberg’s natal sun is exact with the U.S. natal moon, this is a campaign to keep an eye on.

This is just a small part of that article:

“Presidents with their Sun in Aquarius have a direct connection with the American people through the U.S. Aquarius Moon, and are generally known as populists. In this era of mass media, the successful presidential candidate has to connect with the people and their security needs. In astrological terms, this means that he or she must have planets tightly linked with the U.S. Moon, which in the Scorpio Rising horoscope is found at 25 degrees Aquarius. One of the most significant trends in American politics is that all recently elected Presidents have precise aspects to the U.S. Moon either natally or by progression, and often both.”


By the way, Bloomberg birth time reported as 3:40 PM on Feb 14, 1942 in Brighton, MA.


Hi Bob,

Re: Putin is being hit hard by transiting Saturn and Pluto. The hard hits will intensify through January 2020.

Good observation. Putin’s natal Mercury/Neptune conj (21/23 Libra) and natal Pluto (22 Leo) will experience respectively a square and quincunx. It should be interesting to see how that plays out.

Diana, I watched Biden on CNN last night and thought he was excellent. BarbK, I don’t think a Biden/Warren ticket is likely or a good one. I would much prefer to see Biden/Klobuchar. They are moderates, but strong on key issues like climate change, health care, etc. They won’t turn off Repubs who are tired of Trump but can’t stomach Warren because she is too strident and “will take away their money with her socialist ideas”. Joe Biden can repair all of the damage Trump has created with our allies. Klobuchar can work both sides of the aisle to get legislation passed.

I asked before but no response. Pls. Would someone look at Amy Klobuchar’s chart and how it works with Biden.

last night segment on economics with bill Gates and new nobel prize winner is worth watching and promoted

Putin – Natal Relocated (My speculation)
Oct 7 1952, 7:02 pm, BAT -3:00
Moscow Russia 55°N45′ 037°E35′

Sun 14°Li19’15”
Mer 23°Li49’06”
Sat 17°Li30’19”
Ura 18°Cn24’12”
Nep 21°Li10’42”

Putin – Sec.Prog. Q2 Mean Quotidian
Jan 13 2020, 6:00 pm, BAT -3:00
Moscow Russia 55°N45′ 037°E35′

Sat 24°Li55’38”
Ura 17°Cn29’34” R
Nep 23°Li23’32”


Amy Klobuchar
Born May 25, 1960
in Plymouth, MN
No birth time known
Rising: Unknown
Sun: 3-4* of Gemini
Moon: 0* 33′ of Gemini (if birth time is 12:01 AM)
to 12* 33′ of Gemini (if birth time is 11:59 PM)

It is so hard to compare charts when we don’t know Klobuchar’s birth time. She has a stellium with her Sun, Moon, and Mercury in Gemini – but again, that depends on birth time. Her natal Venus is right before them in 27* Taurus.

I’d like to know more because that Gemini Sun/Moon combo and a strong Sun square Pluto makes me think she would be better as a Senator – not part of a team. She wants to be in control and will have battles for that control with powerful people.

Joe Biden
Born Nov 20, 1942
in Scranton, PA
Reported birth time as 8:30 AM
(accuracy reported as “excellent”)

Rising: 3* Sag
Sun: 27* Scorpio in 12th house
Moon: 0* 59′ Taurus in 5th house

Going round his chart:

Moon (0* Taurus) in 5th – conjunct his part of fortune (6* Taurus).

Uranus (2* Gemini) right on the cusp of his 6th/7th houses.

Saturn (9* Gemini) in the 7th.

Jupiter (25* Cancer) & Pluto (7* Leo) in 8th.

Chiron (28* Leo) in 9th.

Neptune (1* Libra) in 10th.

Mars (12* Scorpio) in 11th.

A stellium in 12th house: Mercury (21*), Sun (27*), Venus (28*) in Scorpio.

If Klobuchar’s birth time is later in the day, her Sun/Moon Gemini combo sit on top of Joe’s Saturn in his house of partnerships. Also could bump up against his Uranus in his 6th house of service.

Any one else have opinions?

barbk: Thanks. I too thought the info was pertinent and hopeful.

SassyGrace, thank you. The Sun square Pluto is easy for me to understand. I have the same thing and I don’t like being on a team unless it’s my team and I’m calling the shots.
Seemed like a good idea before the astrology info. Interesting what astrology can tell us.
Thank you so very much, SassyGrace.

Banks, you are very welcome.

It is difficult to make a decision about these candidates when we don’t know everything there is to know about them. Astrology does help!

Eliseo, “off base”? I don’t think so.

The present Saturn-Pluto cycle started November 7, 1982, and you may have been too young to have been aware of planetary cycles at that time. Their conjunction took place at 27+ Libra, square the US natal Pluto but trine the US natal Moon. Reagan was President. I had no access to the Internet at that time myself so not a clue as to how astrology affected the parties Dem and Pub.

Looking at that chart of Saturn-Pluto conjunct in 1982, it would have appeared pretty transforming to an astrologer on its own terms; taking place in the US 10th house and square US natal Pluto (but trine US Moon). These 2 made no challenging major aspects, but as it turned out, they were sextile Neptune conjunct the Galactic Center (or Core if you prefer) in Sagittarius, suggesting a perhaps mystical path to something or somewhere or someone.

This sextile (Saturn+Pluto and Neptune+GC) formed a Yod to transiting Chiron (wounding leads to healing) at 25+ Taurus retrograde, one degree away from Trump’s MC (reputation, accomplishments). But who knew back then?

There would be uncomfortable adjustments in that area of Taurus over the course of the following 37 years of this cycle. For example, the Saturn-conj-Jupiter in Taurus-square-Uranus (unexpected) in Aquarius cycle that started in 2000, which gave us 9-11 the following year. That was pretty strong. That’s how the 1982 Saturn-Pluto chart’s Chiron would also lead to Trump and wounding; unexpectedly.

It (the Trump lesson) can be traced in part by the Saturn-Pluto chart’s Pholus (small cause creates a big effect) at 8+ Aries (retrograde) sextile US natal Uranus (unexpected breakthrough) at 8+ Gemini that was T-square the 1982 Saturn-Pluto chart’s MC (outcome) at 8+ Pisces (where US Ceres is), and that Saturn-Pluto chart’s IC (roots, home) at 8+ Virgo . . . when that chart is set in Washington DC.

This upcoming (2020) conjunction between Saturn-Pluto; their only main aspect in their own chart is the stellium surrounding them in Capricorn, consisting of Ceres, Sun, and Mercury, and . . in addition, their trine to US natal chart Neptune in Virgo and their trine to the still going 2000 Jupiter-Saturn conjunction cycle that began in Taurus (with a square from Uranus [technology] in Aquarius [digital world]).

What I see is a continuation of the course of the 1982 Saturn-Pluto cycle right into the new 2020 Saturn-Pluto cycle; perhaps a grande finale of sorts.

Yes, it could be stronger, finales usually are. We’ve made it this far though and millions of us have been awakened (Uranus) and are willing to sacrifice a carefree daily life if it means freedom (Uranus) from corruption (well most of it), and mass evolving (Neptune), albeit with the destruction and rebuilding of many institutions (Saturn and Pluto).

Aren’t you glad to be part of it all?

PS: The 1982 Saturn-Pluto chart’s MC (outcome) at 8+ Pisces (where US natal Ceres is too) is where transiting Nessus (abuse of power) is right now, and here we are in the throes of impeaching Trump er al. Voila, outcome at end of 1982 Saturn-Pluto cycle. Keep on believing.

Many Thanks! Very interesting analysis and insights.


Full moon in Scorpio (?) brings Venice Italy worst flooding its had in 50 years. Mayor attributes it to climate change. https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/13/europe/venice-flooding-state-of-emergency-intl-hnk/index.html

Another crazy full-moon occurrence!


I don’t know how the SC’s handling of DACA ties in but I hope they keep the program (or at least allow the ones already enrolled in it to stay)!

Sharon K
Full moon was in Taurus

This is when Vesta (both US natal Vesta and transiting Vesta) shows her stuff. The Taurus Full Moon, conjunct both transiting and US natal Vesta, is about focusing on what needs to be focused on.

The Taurus Full Moon took place just over 24 hours ago, was trine transiting Saturn and transiting Pluto in Capricorn, and they are trine the US natal Neptune (show biz) in Virgo (details).

How will the politicians handle this awesome grand trine in earth (reality) signs? The Full Moon herself will contribute feeling to the hearings; This Is My Country, land of my birth . . .

Transiting Saturn and Pluto will make it historical and US natal Neptune will make it dramatic. The earth signs will make it profitable as not only America, but the whole world will be watching this week’s hearings.

The transiting Sun in Scorpio opposite the Full Moon in Taurus was conjunct retrograde Mercury the Messenger, and the Full Moon chart, when set in Washington, puts the Sun+Mercury in the 11th house of groups such as the House of Representatives, while the Moon+Vesta were in the 5th house of creativeness.

The ruler of this FM chart is Jupiter (go Big) which is in the 1st house of the chart and conjunct Ceres (the Nurturer), and they sextile the US Moon (US People). This means the search for truth (Jupiter) is what will feed (Ceres) the US People (US Moon).

The Full Moon’s Mars in Libra in this chart is sextile the Jupiter in Sagittarius and their sextile forms a Yod to Trump’s natal chart MC (reputation) in Taurus which will have to adjust to what transpires in these hearings. The FM Mars (action) trines the US Moon (people) and this could get emotional.

So, on with the show as only the US could provide the world; land of the free and home of the brave.

Ralfee Finn’s choice for President:

“And while I am on the topic of billionaires, I’m thinking that Oprah should run for president—she is the only one with the media might to overpower Trump. She could nominate Elizabeth Warren or Mayor Pete or any other of the candidates to be her Vice, which would give them the experience they need for future runs—all except Biden, because he already has the experience. And then she could appoint Barack Obama as Secretary of State and he could go about repairing our standing in the world, which is surely damaged and needs a skillful touch to restore faith in our system. Actually, any candidate could do just that and what a boon to the world it would be.”



Mr. Schiff, the Intelligence Committee chairman, opened the hearing by summarizing the damning facts about President Trump’s conduct that have been laid out privately by witnesses thus far, asking, “If this is not impeachable conduct, what is?” He zeroed in on the public admission by Mick Mulvaney, the acting White House chief of staff, that Mr. Trump tied aid for the Ukrainians to their willingness to announce investigations into his political rivals.


been trying, unsuccessfully thus far, to find an opinion on schiff’s latest astro influences

The republicans are performing their expected spin, ‘move along nothing to see here, look over there’ with childish fingers in ears while shouting la la la la la la la

Not sure what to make of this?

‘Deval Patrick Tells Democrats He Will Run in 2020 Presidential Race’

Mr. Patrick, the former two-term governor of Massachusetts, called several leading Democrats and allies to say that he would announce a 2020 presidential bid later this week.

Oh my, schiff will be having both a jupiter return (28 sag) AND a saturn return (16 cap) next week!

a comment from a viewer on today’s proceedings:

“I figured it would be the arrogance of a civilian such as Jordan who would stoop so low and verbally attack a decorated veteran, especially two days after this country honored our beloved veterans.

Jordan did not only dishonor Ambassador Taylor but also these proceedings by refusing to even wear a suit or sports jacket. He continues to be a rude and disrespectful public official.”

Lindsay McKenna is on board with the very difficult early January 2020 dates we’ve heard about here.

“SOMETHING is gonna happen to trump….whether he resigns, has a health issue that forces him out of office, or he is permanently removed in some other way, remains to be seen….but something massive is going to happen to him….there’s just too powerful a Cosmic build-up of full Moon lunar eclipse/Uranus going Direct/Transiting Saturn conjunct Pluto/a stellium of transiting planet in Capricorn opposite trump’s Saturn/Venus and Mercury.

“Nothing on this earth, human or otherwise, can withstand all of that juggernaut of energy coming at them and NOT change ….

“Bottom line? When you have Saturn conjunct Pluto, people in power, who rule countries, fall. How they fall? I can’t say. But the entire basket of planetary and nodal players on January 10, 2020, point to a sudden fall from power for trump.”

Whole thing is here:https://www.facebook.com/eileen.nauman/posts/10218981983994160

Trump’s bid to block release his taxes has failed both in SDNY Federal Appeals Court and the Washington Federal Appeals Court.

Guess in both cases it will up to the Supreme Court.
The arguments by some of the Republican Appointed judges are downright strange!

Well, we are one step closer…or should I say two steps closer, two courts.

““SOMETHING is gonna happen to trump….whether he resigns, has a health issue that forces him out of office, or he is permanently removed in some other way, remains to be seen….but something massive is going to happen to him….there’s just too powerful a Cosmic build-up of full Moon lunar eclipse/Uranus going Direct/Transiting Saturn conjunct Pluto/a stellium of transiting planet in Capricorn opposite trump’s Saturn/Venus and Mercury.”

How adorable is that?

It IS adorable will. The fact that nothing lasts forever is born out by astrology’s ever changing patterns. And she didn’t even mention the Ceres factor!!

Ceres will be conjunct Saturn and Pluto when they oppose Trump’s natal Saturn (which conjuncts his Venus and as well the US Mercury). What if that means a hurricane destroys his Mar-a-lago, and what if he’s in it? What a bummer.

“SOMETHING is gonna happen to trump…” I’m saving this whole short paragraph to re-read when I get anxious. Succinct and spot on.

What does it all mean?

I dunno.

You cannot make this up!

A phone call Donald Trump made on July 25 (at 9:03 AM) when Mercury was LAST in retrograde motion has come back to haunt Donald during THIS Mercury retrograde as the first day of impeachment hearings begin.

On the day of the call, retrograde Mercury was sitting on top of his natal Saturn. This is from the future minders web site:

Transit Mercury Conjunct Saturn:

Today you’re engaged with serious matters that demand total concentration and logical thinking (OOPS!).

You tend to have tunnel vision and may only see the negative or problematic issues in your business projects, and lose sight of the forest for the sake of one tree (JOE BIDEN MAYBE?).

You feel pressured to be accurate and precise (ANOTHER OOPS!).

You may also have an important or serious conversation with an authority figure. (I’LL SAY!!!).

That Pelosi woman just revealed that she is not a gum chewer. Ergo, she cannot walk and chew gum at the same time.

This is not hearsay. Not second hand news.

I relish this sentence from Nancy,

“Thus, in summary, we see the period from January 5 to February 14 as dramatically devastating to the current resident of the Oval Office.”

“If Ukraine is so “corrupt” why the hell did Trump ask them to investigate “corruption” instead of his own FBI and CIA?”

Krassenstein Brothers on FB

Nancy P. said she doesn’t chew gum but she does walk around all day eating chocolate.

Thanks, SassyGrace, for posting the link upthread (11:41am Nov 12) to the Neptune Cafe article on US Presidents – a good one & haven’t seen it before.

Interesting to compare the 8 Scorpio rising chart(s) with the one that Nancy uses, i.e. natal 13 Sag. rising. It works too, but if anything, it gives less comfort with the 2020 US election. There are too many direct connections with Trump’s charts for him to just vanish from the field, imo.

Naturally, it depends on who the Dem opponent turns out to be, who ought to have a close, positive connection to the US Moon at the time of the election, no matter which chart is used. Trump does not have that advantage in 2020, but he does have other contacts to worry about.

In the Scorpio rising picture, the US progressed Mars at 17 Libra in the 12th in late October 2020 is conjunct Trump’s natal Jupiter at 17 Libra. US progressed Mars is also trine his natal Uranus at 17 Gemini. Trump’s progressions include contacts to US prog. Moon and Mercury at 18 Virgo and 18 Leo, too, among others, which indicates a focus on communications and maybe the health care debate.

Correction – it’s Trump’s prog. Moon and Mercury that contact the US chart – US MC and Chiron in the Scorpio progression are trine Trump’s prog. Mercury and inconjunct his prog. Moon. Will have to look deeper as there are other aspects in the mix. It’s not a clear win, but since he may be the incumbent (hope not), they may offset some of his more unfortunate aspects at the time. It’s not possible to weigh it now, before the Dem opposition candidate is known, before it is possible to compare both sides against the US chart. Too soon, much too soon.

In that vein, Beowulfie, Deval Patrick’s chart has connections with the U.S. chart but they do not appear to be comfortable ones. I remember Linda G. saying someone presumably light-haired, an experienced business man, possibly, would turn up and become the Democratic candidate. Deval is bald, has lightish grey hair, AND, he works with Bain Capital, something that could attract moderates of all stripes and independents. Could it be him?



“It IS adorable will.”

Smiling here.

Sharon K, it could be Tom Steyer, except he’s not bald (or does he have a DT-type hair ‘aid’?). A person’s visual projections are subject to so many unconscious biases that however honestly they are obtained, they have to be weak clues to a future President.

It’s not my thing, but a person can’t say with any certainty that it isn’t possible either. There’s only the seer’s sayso to say so. It’s tough enough to read a chart objectively and that, too, is subject to every kind of bias!

Ceres conjunct Saturn conjunct Pluto is a spooky prospect. Does it portend a great loss of crops or perhaps an epidemic that would be lethal to children?

Aren’t I a f——–g ray of sunshine. Excuse the morbid suggestion. I feel very ill-at-ease lately. Can’t figure it – free-floating unrest.

The Supreme Court has conferences where they usually decide what cases will be heard. The DT tax case, Vance, is moving up the chain and from the reports I read could be discussed on during the December 13th conference or the January 10th conference.

I wonder if they will decide not to take the case on January 10th. That would be interesting.

will, Ceres will be a big part of the Saturn-Pluto agenda, which is always some form of breaking down things like traditions, rules, governments, or anything that has withstood time for too long, and then a rebuilding of new and better forms.

One thing I thought of today – because of the new school shooting – is how much parents whose children were exposed to danger (or have been in the past) suffer at the hands of a troubled person with a weapon of mass destruction. Ceres was a grieving mother as well as goddess of agriculture and climate or weather change.

This is a “tradition” that has gone on too long and is ripe for the Saturn-Pluto breakdown with a Ceres touch. She was known to withhold that which nourished the body and/or soul until she got her just demands.

This suggests to me that the Saturn-Pluto-Ceres-Sun-Mercury gathering will bring about things like serious and effective gun laws, determined climate goals and food processing dangers are likely to be addressed through drastic measures taken due to some overwhelming events beyond our imagination at this point.

It was 9-11 that changed how passengers boarded airplanes forever, and Saturn and Pluto were half-way through their present cycle when that happened.

We are all waiting for the present drama to reach a climactic point now; will the Constitution prevail and preserve our values or will we devolve under the evil orange one who betrays all the forefathers’ dreams of a land of the free. Of course you are ill-at-ease, we all are. How would Hollywood bring it to an end?

Remember this; the Saturn-Pluto-Ceres-Sun-Mercury conjunction in Capricorn is only 8 weeks away and it will trine the US natal Neptune in Virgo, and it will trine the present Jupiter-Saturn cycle starting point in 2000 (in Taurus) so it is a team effort, pushing us forward toward a happy Hollywood ending.

RE: “SOMETHING is gonna happen to trump”

I think I know what it will be. Perhaps through his tax returns and/or other documents or testimony, I think his January 2020 event will be public revelations of the real relationship he has with Putin, Kilminick, the Russian Petro-state, etc. I think it will become obvious during that January period that economist Krugman was absolutely correct in referring to trump as “The Siberian candidate.

MSNBC is now measuring the length of rope from which Trump will be hung as the world watches.

US Ambassador to the EU Gordon Sondland is scheduled to testify before congress November 20th. His original testimony in closed hearings have since been revised after conflicting evidence came to light from other witnesses. Sondland could be in serious jeopardy of perjury if he continues to try to protect the president.

Why Impeachment Observers Are Calling Sondland’s Reversal A Game-Changer


Will truth prevail? The astrological factors at play are very telling. November 20th has Mercury (communication) stationing direct (11 Scorpio) within a few hours of Sondland’s testimony in close semi-square to Jupiter – truth (27 Sagittarius) and square to Trump’s natal & progr. Pluto (10/12 Leo respectively). Tr. Mars (0 Scorpio) in sesqui-square to Neptune (15 Pisces) forms a perfect square to the US 2017 Inaugural charts Sun (0 Aquarius).

Sondland’s astrological chart could be another indicator. Born July 16, 1957 Seattle, Washington 12 pm (time unknown); natal Jupiter (26 Virgo) will receive an exact semi-square from the Mercury station.

“Jupiter is said to influence all the good and noble things of life, and lead each of us toward a higher purpose. Jupiter rules Sagittarius, the sign of truth-seeking, learning, travel, philosophy, and physical movement. For the non-Archers, Jupiter in the birth chart shines a light on an individual’s spiritual quest.” – Molly Hall

Breaking News!!

Roger Stone Is Found Guilty in Trial That Revived Trump-Russia Saga
Mr. Stone, a longtime informal adviser to President Trump, obstructed one of Congress’s Russia investigations and lied to lawmakers.

Could possibly face 10-20 years in Prison


“One thing I thought of today – because of the new school shooting – is how much parents whose children were exposed to danger (or have been in the past) suffer at the hands of a troubled person with a weapon of mass destruction. Ceres was a grieving mother as well as goddess of agriculture and climate or weather change.

This is a “tradition” that has gone on too long and is ripe for the Saturn-Pluto breakdown with a Ceres touch. She was known to withhold that which nourished the body and/or soul until she got her just demands.”

Yes, the grieving mother of school children archetype makes solid astrologique to me.

Middle column of today’s WSJ. Behold: the Swamp! https://twitter.com/rebeccaballhaus/status/1195404094778859520

Mars will be on Sondland’s Neptune when he testifies on the 20th.

The Sun, Saturn, Pluto, avenger in January will be opposite his natal Sun.

Thanks Bob, the puzzle pieces are dropping into place as if by magic!

The school shootings keep coming and there is no federal action, even if it were a plan to keep schools protected with grants to buy the right hardware. I am not against metal detectors in the least.

LOVED your note on mercury retrograde and your great account of travels! I post on here – rarely, (once every 5 years?), but that post of yours and the taxi tale deserves a response! Took me to India you did! I’ve been to India 12 times, (last journey was in 2016) and I know the “nails in the car seat” feeling well! Glad you made it back without mishap! And I do agree with the wife, no arguing with the driver- hence dropped off in the middle of nowhere! Jai Amma!

From DU:

“Obama tells Democratic candidates to ease off talk of revolution
Former president Barack Obama on Friday urged Democrats running for the White House not to lurch too far left in their pursuit of the nomination, while at the same time seeking to quell concerns in the party about its 2020 hopefuls and the messy primary season to come.

The comments — made in Washington at a meeting of the Democracy Alliance, a powerful network of liberal donors — marked some of Obama’s most pointed words yet about a fluid primary in which he is not picking sides. They echoed previous comments in which he warned about the dangers of pursuing purity and rigidity in politics.

“This is still a country that is less revolutionary than it is interested in improvement,” Obama said. “They like seeing things improved. But the average American doesn’t think that we have to completely tear down the system and remake it. And I think it’s important for us not to lose sight of that.”

Obama did not name any candidates. But some Democrats associate the characteristics he described with Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), staunch liberal candidates advocating sweeping change who are running near the top of the polls.”


If the Democratic plan or hope is to finish the impeachment path before the end of the year they might mean before Christmas. The closest negative days for tRump before then that I can find are December 16th and 17th. That may be when the final agreements (or dictates) for resignation are agreed on.

Eliseo – these days, those in the military are as partisan as the rest of the U.S. However, after the way Bush and now Trump as treated the military, the Democrats have gained a LOT of new voters. These democrats – male AND female – would have no issue following a female leader they could respect, especially if she made them, their families, and their needs higher priority in more ways than just lip service. Warren has that demeanor, and has been better received than some of the male candidates.

At least in the Officer ranks, critical thinking is more than a one-module piece of curriculum.

Is it Maria that is going to take Trump down?

” Her “testimony was a scathing rebuke of Giuliani and his work on behalf of the president — a top-to-bottom indictment of what she called a “campaign of disinformation” based on claims that originated with “individuals with questionable motives and with reason to believe that their political and financial ambitions would be stymied by our anti-corruption policy in Ukraine.” She implicitly lambasted Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, too, asserting that the department “is being hollowed out from within at a competitive and complex time on the world stage.”


I hear ya’ll on your choices and concerns about candidates. But I’ll put myself out there and be brave enough to disagree with many.

Warren has made inroads here in KS and MO among the Trumpers who see the danger the country, the people, and their *farms* are in at present. One of the traits that make her popular here is her flat-out planning and backing it up with contingency plans, as well as not being afraid to step back, take a 2nd look, and tweak when necessary. People here live their lives like that. The fact she’s from OK, from middle class roots, allows people to easily identify with her (at least those from the Midwest).

No one is going to vote for a woman prez just ‘cos she’s a woman. But I firmly believe that ultimate glass ceiling is gonna break and men are going to have to accept it. After vote polls consistently show women vote in larger numbers than men, and we’re especially fired-up since Trump, and the curtailment of so many of our personal rights and liberties. And I thoroughly believe she could tromp all over Trump while whistling Dixie.

Saying it HAS to be a male candidate if we want to beat Trump is the ultimate dis to all we’ve had to endure since Bush, IMNSHO.

Like I’ve said before — and will say many, many more times before next Nov — VOTE BLUE, NO MATTER WHO.

But if I have to vote for another rich male, wall street oriented NeoLiberal CEO type — well, I’ll punch the card but dang, I may just throw up all over it while I’m doing it.

You can’t run government like a business, and that’s going to become very clear in the next few years. We’ve got major people-oriented crises coming at us soon. From destitution and near-destitution due to industry changes and job losses to huge numbers of people on the move due to climate change. When it comes to whether these will take higher priority than capital gains, pass thru LLCs, etc… I really don’t trust a CEO to be most concerned with anything more than the bottom line.

Beyond all this, Clinton won by 3+ million votes, and still the Electoral College went with Trump. Until and unless we get that dinosaur changed, I fear for us ever having a level playing field against the Repubs again. And NO ONE I’ve seen is talking about this, nor how to reasonably secure our votes. IMO, we’re all putting the cart before the horse.

Hey friend! I’m heartened by your words, especially by what you are saying about military personnel and their political attitudes. I think maybe my FBI/Attorney pal’s contacts are outdated to some agree. He believes military voters will NOT go for a female presidential candidate.

But I’ve read that the top brass are disgusted with Trump especially on climate change. They are evidently realistic as to the existential threat global warming presents topographically, demographically, and militarily,. They are very aware it could destroy civilization if we fail to take the right steps. Accepting a female as president might be easier than my FBI friend realizes.

Also, the electoral college is hampered by state laws which require the electors to vote reflecting the majority in their state. That actually contravenes the purposes of the Founders. Ironically, tEhe job of the EC is to prevent any DT type from ever gaining the office.

I understand the campaign to abolish the electoral college. However, I don’t actually think completely abolishing it is a good idea. I understand the intention behind it was to protect the nation from the tyranny of the majority but we are now in a position where it is creating the tyranny of the minority.
“a vote in Wyoming would be worth almost four times as much as one in California.” 1 elector represents 712,000 people in California – 1 elector represents 195,000 people in Wyoming” – WP

I heard someone suggest an alternative solution to abolishing it all together that would not abolish the electoral college but rather change the delegate process to be proportional in every state. In that way, every vote would have equal value but still ensure that the low populated states did not get overlooked and become powerless.

Any thoughts?

Those proposals have been out there ever since the selection in 2000. And I do mean S-election.

The problem is it ignores one of the original intentions and purposes of the Founders. The electors, in theory are supposed to be “wise-heads”, more knowledgeable, and more experienced than the rest of us.

The Founders were ambivalent, not fully on board with the will of the People. It was a new idea, a novel approach they weren’t sure would work. If majority rule rendered a victory for a tyrant, or unworthy person, the electors would be there to overrule that decision. Any and all arithmetical or quota formulas ignore the original freedom the electors were supposed to have.

Ironically, the EC idea has never worked the way the Founders intended. In each election, starting in 1876, when there was a disparity between the EC vote and popular vote, the system invited crooked, and bullying electoral mayhem. Each time it happened we got the lesser of the candidates competing as president.

The worst example of course was in 2016. State laws, contraveneing the Founders intentions, insure the electors will be committed ideologues, not open minded “wise-heads”. And of course, in our last potus election, the electors chose the tyrant, the “enfant terrible”.

AP report: The President is paying an unannounced visit today to Walter Reed Medical Center. He just arrived with the pool.
11:50 AM – 16 Nov 2019

Thinking about Bob highlighting November 17th!

Of course, White House spin, again reported by AP:
Per White House Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham: “Anticipating a very busy 2020, the President is taking advantage of a free weekend here in Washington, D.C., to begin portions of his routine annual physical exam at Walter Reed.”
12:01 PM – 16 Nov 2019

I’m wondering if something I found in the 2020 Saturn-Pluto conjunction chart might have a bearing on “the will of the People”.

This Saturn-Pluto conjunction chart has a Yod that puts its Moon in the position (the apex of the Yod) where it must adjust to circumstances being forced on it (“it” being the Moon which symbolizes the People).

This would apply only to the US when the chart for the Saturn-Pluto conjunction is set in Washington DC, which would have a midheaven or MC (outcome) of 18+ Capricorn, an MC which will sextile Neptune (dissolution) at 16+ Pisces, and both of them quincunx the Moon (US People) at 17+ Leo. That is a Yod pattern. A triangle.

To me this speaks of an ending of something resulting in an outcome (this chart’s MC) that forces the US People (Moon at apex of Yod) to adjust to new circumstances.

To counter that, the US PROGRESSED Mars, still at 17+ Libra (and conjunct Trump’s Jupiter and the US Constitution chart’s Neptune) will be sextile this creative Leo Moon in the Saturn-Pluto conjunction chart (8 wks. from now), when set in Washington DC. Their sextile forms a Yod (triangle) to the Saturn-Pluto chart’s Neptune in Pisces, putting Neptune at the apex of this alternate Yod.

I am reading this new Yod as The US People (Moon in Saturn-Pluto chart set in DC) sextile the US PROG. Mars (+ US Constitution Neptune + the Trump Jupiter) combine to force the 2020 Saturn-Pluto chart’s Neptune (dissolution) to – well – adjust, or perhaps dissolve, as in to close down.

It is, I believe, an intricate (and lovely) pattern woven by the gods and goddesses to bring about a solution to a problem that has kept human beings (at least those in the USA) from advancing their consciousness; a kind of constipation of consciousness, if you will. (Not YOU will!!)

I believe it points to an upgrade or change in the US Constitution. One of several.

TJ, I think the constant state of stress he may be living in was exacerbated by yesterdays events and public and media responses triggering both psychological and physical reactions from him that may have prompted an emergency checkup.

Trump beginning ‘portions’ of annual physical exam at Walter Reed

“In an unannounced visit Saturday afternoon, Trump, 73, arrived at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland.”

“Trump’s trip to Walter Reed on Saturday took place under unusual circumstances.”
“His two previous physical exams in office were announced ahead of time by the White House and noted on his daily public schedule.”
“This time, however, the President’s motorcade drove to the medical center unannounced, with reporters under direction not to report his movement until they arrived at Walter Reed. Trump typically takes the Marine One helicopter to Walter Reed, but on Saturday’s clear-skied day, the President opted for the motorcade.”

Just read about Trump’s trip to Walter Reed. Speculation on Twitter that he must have needed medical scans, CT? MRI? Because they can do a lot at the White House, but wouldn’t have big expensive scanning equipment.

His last physical was only 9 months ago, and press reports noted there were clear skies in DC this morning. Checked — temps in the 40s.

When was the last time he didn’t golf on a weekend?


What is the solution then? Something has to be done, it’s a completely broken system. Are you in favor of just abolishing it all together?

BTW, I had forgotten to tell you that I had posted a message for you, way back when you were traveling (not sure if you saw it when you were checking in on occasion). I was excited to share with you that during that debate, Andrew Yang brought up Thorium as an energy source, touting many of the reasons you had stated!

I’m very excited about the directions clean energy and all the green policies will take us in the future. I am personally very engaged in learning about regenerative farming for the health of the planet as well as human health and ending the horrors of factory farming.

In all the talk about pro and con electoral college, everyone omits the talking point that the founders did not want political parties because they considered them divisive.

Honestly, I don’t have an adequate solution. I agree the system is in serious trouble, and although it feels like it is “completely broken” I don’t think it is.

I believe abolishing the electoral college might be better than the tweaks I’ve heard about, or what we employ presently. But I’m willing to be persuaded otherwise with the right reasoning and evidence. I suspect we’ll have quite a number of constitutional amendments to approve or reject, especially beginning in 2025. What to do with the EC will likely be one of many.

The December 25/26 eclipse located to the WH promotes Nancy Pelosi’s natal Sun and tRump’s progressed Mars and Neptune.

Merry Christmas!


Bob, since I’m not an astrologer can you tell me what that means, pls.

Bad for tRump; good for us.

Thanks. Bob. So, maybe there is a Santa Claus after all.

Given tRump’s body image and lifestyle the year’s stress events could bring on health failures strong enough to force his removal or his astrology could presage his forced removal or decision to resign from the office.

For those who have little or no knowledge of astrology (and for many who do) – there is no way to know what any aspect may coordinate with. Think about the horoscopes of multiple birth siblings – twins, triplets, etc.. They have virtually the same charts (as we say in astrology) but not the same experiences at the same time – getting married, having babies, suffering major injuries or illnesses and on and on. The marriage of one is a happy experience shared by all in some manner but no astrologer, without inside information, could say which one it would be or even name the event looking at the charts perhaps 3 years before. All that could really be seen in them would likely be a positive or easy or happy time in them.

That is why there have been no astrologers, no matter how famous, that can be shown to have a string of exact predictions despite the great number of practitioners through thousands of years. If anybody thinks differently I have a chart covering almost 79 years (in 2 months) and would like them to prove their case by telling me what exactly occurred when and where I experienced even 1 aspect in my life

Bobby McFerrin – Don’t Worry Be Happy (Official Video)

Whew – a 2% win for Governor John Bel Edwards of LA – we retain our Democratic governor! He is socially conservative but fiscally liberal. I think he’s done a good job as LA was so screwed after Bobby Jindal was done with us.

Hi Bob,

This article might interest you……

“Don’t Worry, Be Happy”–The Back Story



Congrats to you and LA – something to cheer about.


McFerrin video is one of my all-time faves. Thanks for posting.


McFerrin video is one of my all-time faves. Thanks for posting.

Although I agree with the lion’s share of your treatise on the lack of exactitude or even rectitude with respect to consistent predictions, I must confess I have never known an astrologer to be as close to consistently accurate as our Nancy Starlight…..our girl is Wikken-good. Moreover, her combination of superb rhetoric, psychological and astrological parlance and political analytical prowess makes for quite a compelling oracle.

Had to laugh – the opening skit on SLN tonight had Rudy Giuliani quipping,
“Mercury is in retrograde so my powers are at an all-time high.”

I cannot recall where I read this, but I recall reading the following statement which I found down-right pithy:

“Astrology is the poetry of astronomy.”

Sharon, I second will’s congratulations.

Thank you for the link Jerry. Short title for a profound subject.

will, i bring it to mind often.

will. What you say is true.

I do not know now, nor have I ever known, an astrologer as astute and readable as Nancy. She stands head and shoulders above any that I have known. That is why this site is top shelf alone for my attention. I did put a lot of work on DU because of the availability of space but seldom post there since then.

AG Barr on an hysterical rant at Federalist Society causing many in the legal community and congress to call for his impeachment.


I did not see your posting while I was traveling. Glad to know at least one of our Dem candidates is aware of the potential of element 90.

I know some are counting on fusion, but I doubt fusion reactors will be sufficiently safe for use on Earth. They may however be eminently practical and useful in outer space. I suspect major problems are yet to be discovered and understood regarding the electromagnetic containment fields. Thorium however, is a proven technology, not perfect, but far safer than any other developed and currently practical means of generating sufficient energy for our population of billions. Wind, wave, and solar are good as supplementary sources and we should use them as much as possible, but the arithmetic is not there for them to be primary.

I agree with you about factory farming. Regenerative farming sounds interesting. Please keep me appraised, if necessary by email. My email address is still the same.

Lamis B. Faris,

Watching the Barr clip you shared is like watching a stroke in slow motion.

Rumor has it that he farts in the bathtub and eats the bubbles.

Absolutely deranged.

Bob, Will, I second (or third) your comments and also your praise of Nancy’s work. Great stuff.

After some years of reading, and lots of hours pondering charts for my own satisfaction (if any), I can say 2 only things for sure:
1. yes, astrology works (for whatever strange reason, I haven’t a clue).
2. it takes a lot of time practicing to pull value out of a chart.

You get better with practice, but if you don’t do it often, you soon forget (again). Astrology is not forgiving. You sure look like a horse’s ass when you miss something you should have seen a mile away. The problem is, who’s got the time, even when you have some knowledge? (Exception being Barbk – you must devote your life to tracking so many constantly changing charts and aspects!)

Astrology is definitely a fascinating learning experience – the best brain exercise you can get without learning math. Sometimes it can yield a spectacular fit for a given situation, but that is rare, imo. Unfortunately those situations are often negative. They tend to involve the heavy planets, which are easy to spot and they hang around longer, so you get a hint of the troubles they can cause. At the same time, the effects can be so broad ranging that the interpretation is hard. Can’t win on the specifics. Is it a car accident with a big insurance payout, or does he win the lottery and ruin his life socially because he’s now too rich to keep his old friends?

Most often astrology works better as a sort of ‘field’ theory. Events and characteristics are in a ‘range’. It’s not possible to be specific, but it’s useful for understanding “conditions” and “personalities”, but not to predict what decisions people will make or what they will actually do. There are so many potentials and possibilities even in a small group like a family. It’s more like a map of probabilities. It’s no wonder that astrologers who specialize in things like horary questions need so much experience to be reliable.

Anyway, one person cannot watch very many charts evolving at the same time. It takes an exhausting effort to integrate the elements even in a superficial analysis (which means most analyses are superficial at best). With computers, you still have to read and understand it, and stay awake to do it! I don’t feel bad about getting it wrong for a minute – I just read Nancy and wait. It’s about learning and understanding.

Astrology soon makes you humble (which is one reason to wonder that so many religions are against it…). You learn how dumb you are long before you get to say Eureka! Sadly, the most amazing charts are usually the ones you do after the fact. Then you can relate the chart to an event you couldn’t even guess at beforehand. But once you know what happened, you can go back and see the aspects in relation to the manifestation.

Who wants that? It’s not prediction, but it does explain things in a cosmic way, which is fascinating in itself.

Besides, only people with a streak of OCD can stand staring at charts for hours on end. Sometimes it’s better to let life flow on, forget the news, drink a few cappucchinos and figure it out later!

Poolreports’s Posts

NOTE BY ME: Listed online in reverse order. That is latest release first. This post has them in order of events. All are dated and timed. From arrival to leaving – 2 hrs, 15 mns. Lid at 6 reports.

INDEX PAGE: https://kinja.com/poolreports

All reports credited to Marisa Schultz
New York Post
Washington bureau

All quotes are from press secretary Stephanie Grisham

From In-town pool report #1

“The president arrived at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center at 2:47 pm. Pooler did not see POTUS enter.

Pool was advised POTUS movements were strictly unreportable until now.”

From In-town pool report #3

“Motorcade is on the move from Walter Reed medical center at 5:03 pm. A photo pooler spotted POTUS departing the hospital moments earlier- shirt open, no tie.”

Speaking of OCD, Trump’s solar return had Pluto at 22+ Capricorn quincunx his Sun at 22+ Gemini, forcing him to adjust; he who won’t give an inch.

On Wednesday transiting Sun in Scorpio was sextile transiting Pluto in Capricorn and they formed a Yod to Trump’s natal Sun in Gemini; a double insisting on Trump to adjust (dial back). His natal Moon (emotions) opposing his natal Sun turned it into a Boomerang.

Like Bob, I rather suspect that Trump who is obsessive about germs (presumably he doesn’t want to get sick) might have had heart palpitations from watching the witness Amb. Yovanovitch, sent his Tweet heard round the world, in real time no less, and its criticism got so bad he panicked. Boom! Hence the trip to Walter Reed yesterday.

I’m loving the respect for astrology being expressed here today, and Beowulfie, you rock! My housework suffers due to searching out connections between this chart and that but it’s nice to still have a passion at my age.

As for Nancy, her following speaks volumes to her astrological accuracy, and doesn’t she have a way with words that makes you smile?

‘How FedEx Cut Its Tax Bill to $0’

The company, like much of corporate America, has not made good on its promised investment surge from President Trump’s 2017 tax cuts.

“FedEx uses taxpayer-funded roads, airports, banking system, judicial system, security system and utilities but pays nothing for it while raking in billions in profit.

And yet billionaires wonder why the middle-class, whom actually pay the taxes that benefit them, are angry?


Marie Yovanovitch’s testimony Friday, November 15. tRump can not produce reason for removing her from post and replacing her with someone who had no diplomatic experience. She receives a standing ovation as she leaves session.

David Holmes testimony Friday, November 15 ties tRump to extortion. It lasts until about 10 pm.

These 2 are the leadup to tRump’s unscheduled (as of Friday) trip to the hospital less than 24 hours later.

Mark Sandy, a senior career official at the Office of Management and Budget testified on Saturday about unusual steps to freeze aid to Ukraine. Where did the order to do that freeze originate? Jaws is getting closer. Panic attack time.

No wonder trump still has strong support – radio show host in colorado fired mid show for speaking against dear leader https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/11/17/radio-host-criticized-trump-air-he-was-fired-mid-show-he-says/?wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

Kiwi: Maybe the media on DT’s side are trying to make him into a victim, for whom there would be sympathy? Then he goes to hospital? A new phase in a crazy administration? The mind boggles.

I want to thank whomever it was that noted that Adam Schiff would would experience his Jupiter Return and his Saturn Return around the same time. Otherwise, I would not have noticed the following.

Last week was when Schiff’s Saturn Return was exact at 16+ Capricorn and that was when Schiff was his most authoritative, for all the world to see.

That too must have made Trump uncomfortable since transiting Saturn (and Schiff’s natal Saturn) was beginning to square Trump’s natal Jupiter (and US progressed Mars and and the US Constitution Neptune and Putin’s Saturn) at 17+ Libra, a square which will continue through the month.

Transiting Jupiter will reach 28+ Sagittarius on Saturday Nov. 23 and conjunct Schiff’s natal Jupiter degree for 4 days, the effect lasting for days after that.

Transiting Jupiter is also, right now, trine Trump’s natal Mars (26+ Leo) and ascendant (29+ Leo) and will continue to do so through the early days of December.

This conflicting effect (challenge from trans. Saturn, empowering from trans. Jupiter) could be maddening for Trump and could reflect the possible search for a deal to get him out of his present position unscathed.

Meanwhile, transiting Saturn (squaring Trump’s Jupiter. etc.) is beginning to sextile Nancy Pelosi’s natal Mercury (17+ Pisces) while also squaring her natal Jupiter (17+ Aries) that opposes Trump’s Jupiter (making a T-square), and she is walking a fine line between gaining momentum and blowing it all. Fortunately transiting Sun (consciousness) in Scorpio is opposing her natal Mars (impulse) in Taurus.

I believe she might have thrown down the gauntlet to Trump (a way to escape without harm) at the Nov. 12th Full Moon (19+ Taurus) that was conjunct her natal Uranus-Venus conjunction and the US natal Vesta (focus/investment), also at 19+ Taurus.

If so, Trump is torn between his ego needs and his need to survive intact. This could be the transiting Jupiter effect on his Mars and ascendant . . . a way to escape almost unscathed.

The plot thickens.

“How a CIA analyst, alarmed by Trump’s shadow foreign policy, triggered an impeachment inquiry

The lights are often on late into the evening at CIA headquarters, where a team of elite analysts works on classified reports that influence how the country responds to global crises.
In early August, one of those analysts was staying after hours on a project with even higher stakes. For two weeks, he pored over notes of alarming conversations with White House officials, reviewed details from interagency memos on the U.S. relationship with Ukraine and scanned public statements by President Trump.

He wove this material into a nine-page memo outlining evidence that Trump had abused the powers of his office to try to coerce Ukraine into helping him get reelected. Then, on Aug. 12, the analyst hit “send.”

His decision to report what he had learned to the U.S. intelligence community’s inspector general has transformed the political landscape of the United States, triggering a rapidly moving impeachment inquiry that now imperils Trump’s presidency.”


Barbk, Kiwi provided that info.

I can hardly wait till Mercury goes direct.


What you said about Mercury going direct.

Hey, thank you ja – and thanks Kiwi, what a treasure trove you opened!

The beauty of the Saturn-Pluto conjunction (+Ceres+Sun+Mercury) on January 12th is going to form a grand trine with Pelosi’s natal Uranus-Venus-Mars (+ Trump’s MC) in Taurus and her natal Neptune (+ US natal Neptune) in Virgo, and this Earth (reality) grand trine is a game changer par excellence.

By that I mean the lunar eclipse in Cancer on January 10th, followed hours later by transiting Uranus stationing direct, followed by the Saturn-Pluto conjunction on the 12th, all within less than 48 hours.

This is a lot of baby steps crammed into one giant leap of change for Planet Earth, all of it following the Winter Solstice (December 21), Christmas and a happy new year, always guaranteed to throw the humans (at least in the US) out of sync for a week or so.

This year the winter solstice (Sun at 0 Cap 00) will square Chiron (1+ Aries) but trine Uranus (2+ Taurus) soon to station direct, so moving very sloowly. That might be our first heads up that something big is about to happen.

The Solstice chart’s Neptune (behind the scene) at 16+ Pisces (obscure) will square Pallas (planner) and Mercury (short notice) at 18-19 Sagittarius (far away places) who oppose Trump’s natal Uranus (surprise!) at 17+ Gemini (on the move).

Trump could be gone with the wind by New Year’s Day; surely, even by the Capricorn Solar Eclipse on Christmas morning (just after midnight EST) that has Jupiter conjunct the eclipsed Sun square Trump’s natal Neptune in Libra, could have us wondering where he might be.

It’s a lot to take in and not without drama. The transiting North Node on Christmas will be conjunct Trump’s natal Mercury. Bye bye birdie.

Or it could just be my wishful thinking.

Bubonic Plague Most Dangerous Strain Reported by the Chinese.


Dear All, Whimsey has a take on Donald Trump re: Walter Reed visit.



NewsScope for November 18, 2019
By Michael O’Reilly

‘Lessons from Watergate’

“The Trump Impeachment Hearings officially were kicked off when Rep. Adam Schiff gaveled the hearings open at 10:05 am on November 13. Like the Watergate Hearings, this forum’s chart is dominated by Eris, which is exactly opposite the Midheaven at 23º Libra. Mars near the Midheaven promises a contentious political atmosphere, unlike the respectful, attentive demeanor during Watergate.”


This last sentence from the above link is comforting.

“In the long run, the epic Saturn-Pluto conjunction at 22º Capricorn arrives on January 12, with Mercury also in the mix at 23º Capricorn. This dynamic combination closely squares the Impeachment Hearing’s Midheaven, and promises to throw politics as we know it into a frenzy. That’s because Eris is also involved, and this mischievous Goddess loves to sow chaos and discord. However, with progressed Saturn trine the U.S. Venus, we can see that the system is being tested but is also working well enough.”

“Working well enough”, Thank Heaven!

I will go with Whimsy’s analysis, particularly the anxiety attacks he may be having. Nowhere to turn, no way out, shame at being found out, and the other stuff surrounding him. I’m surprised he has lasted this long.

I did several charts on Mike Pence today, regulars and progressed, plus solar returns. There is no way this guy is going to get to be Vice President. I think he will go out with the rest when the Orange Thing goes down…Interesting that his natal Mercury sits atop the Orange Blobs Moon.

speaking of saturn returns – rupert murdoch has one coming at the end of the year – 21.05 cap with pluto conjunct right now. I wonder if has any awareness that his dark quest for power has done much to contribute to the western world’s current chaos.

Lamis B Faris,
I presume you meant president, not vice president?

If your assessment is correct that Pence will go down with CheetoMan, that infers two possibilities.
(A) They will go down together due to losing the 2020 election.
(B) They will go down together as the result of discoveries of further malfeasance, impeached AND convicted.

I see the latter possibility as less likely, unless overt treason is revealed, + the Senate votes to convict both using secret ballot. But even were those conditions met, it is hard to imagine Mitch McConnell allowing Nancy Pelosi to become president.

Hi Parker,

Re: Your many visits to India.

Just caught up on the latest entries and noticed your comment.

As you know, there’s lots of anomalies here that sometimes defy logic. But that’s part of the intrigue. It forces you out of the normal routine and puts you in a different space (especially notable when driving a car or scooter). It’s called going with the flow. Ordinary human relations often take on a more meaningful, deeper experience. The film The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel is an excellent example of this. See trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roDQowqG3cE

I don’t know very much about Amma, but I gather she is very sincere and has a wonderful spirit about her.

Hi Bob,

Re: Your Nov 15th post. You wrote:

“If the Democratic plan or hope is to finish the impeachment path before the end of the year they might mean before Christmas. The closest negative days for tRump before then that I can find are December 16th and 17th. That may be when the final agreements (or dictates) for resignation are agreed on.”

Back in September I posted Evon Davis’s youtube segment entitled “The End of Trump’s Presidency?”. She focuses in on the December 12th Full Moon (19 ’52 Gemini) pointing out that this Full Moon straddles Trump’s Nodes/Sun and Moon axis. December 12th also happens to be the last day Congress convenes before going on its three week winter recess (congress will reconvene in early January). Will Articles of Impeachment be presented to congress for a vote at this time? How will Trump react? It’s a fascinating analysis. Here’s the link……

Video: 19 min 47 sec


I don’t know if you guys remember, but I mentioned a few times that the current transit of Pluto quincunx US Mars would bring an increase in mass shootings. It was one of the aspects active during some big ones in the summer. The current spate of multiple casualty gun violence incidents is also connected to this transit. It goes through November 29.


“It goes through November 29.”



Thank you for the link to the movie – something I intend to watch.

Grace Astrology:

“Marie Yovanovitch kept her cool, as you’d expect her to do as a Scorpio born on 11/11/58 in Montreal (unknown birth time). Her Sun and Venus were activated by Mercury’s transit and the Full Moon — and perhaps her Scorpio Moon was, too. Oh — and she has Jupiter and Neptune in Scorpio — this is a woman on a mission, thank you very much. She is fiercely independent and innovative, suggested by her Sun-Venus conjunction’s square to rebel Uranus, as well as this NYT op-ed. We can also understand why P45 would find her such a threat. He made that clear by badmouthing her via tweet as she was testifying. Guess where her Mars is? At 25 Taurus, right on his Midheaven and square his Mars. Know who else has Mars at 25 Taurus? Nancy Pelosi (who also has a fearless Scorpio Moon).”


RE: your reminder about Pluto quincunx US Mars.
Your propensity for accuracy is startling. I suggest you write a primer on how to do political astrology. Such a book would sell well. I’d buy it and promote it as well. You are our hidden national treasure.


I know everything you need to know to self-publish. It’s so easy these days. I’ll help.

Jerry, Bob, et al – thanks for posting the reminders of the perils for DT at the end of this year – I keep checking them out in my own way and coming up with the same answer (although, perhaps, too biased to see it any other way?): DT ain’t goin’ nowhere. Not going to happen.

DT will hang in and rather say ‘fu’ to the entire country before he gives up kicking and screaming. This is the way the man has operated his whole life. Why would he change now?

He believes (believes!) he is right and entitled. Nope, even if he is sick as a dog and knows he’s losing he’ll make everybody suffer out of spite. This is a man with Algol on the Midheaven and Mars/Regulus on the Ascendant. There is not one bone in his body that says he’ll let anybody else win while he is sitting behind the Resolute Desk.

Unless they remove him to a hospital because he really can’t function physically (which is unlikely) he won’t quit. He is, after all, still the official the leader of the country, and his doctors are the best in the world, his security detail is the finest in existence, his people have caved to power totally, and the military has not abandoned him, even though some honorable military people like Mattis have given up in disgust.

(Please note the bio of the latest secretary of defense – (Wikipedia: Dr. Mark T. Esper became Secretary of Defense on July 23, 2019. He previously served as the 23rd Secretary of the Army. Dr. Esper graduated from the U.S. Military Academy in 1986, and has two advanced degrees from Harvard University and George Washington University.” —– in other words, whoever Esper is, he’s no dumb bunny —- he probably intends to keep supporting DT as long as it takes.)

Sick or well, DT will hold on until the election. Then, who knows? All the aspects in the world are not going to remove him sooner, unless he wants to go and the GOP senators decide he’s got to. And neither of those things is going to happen.

And maybe that is why it is so fitting that the aspect Nancy mentions is “Pluto quincunx US Mars”, in this case, without reference to shootings (which are terrible enough), but to the utterly irreconcilable differences in the current political situation in the US.

Going back to a great post by Donna Cunningham (may she RIP),:

“The quincunx—also known as the inconjunct—is a 150° angle formed by planets five signs apart with orbs of up to 3°. Whether in the birth chart or by transit, making the two planets in a quincunx work together can be demanding—even a stretch. Charles Jayne said that in this aspect, people are asked to reconcile the irreconcilable, and thus the quincunx requires a creative leap to blend the two sets of needs and traits.

Oppositions can balance one another–with sufficient give and take, there’s a kind of partnership. Squares butt heads because the two planets are in competition with one another, yet clash in part because they want some of the same types of things.

The quincunx, however, is an “it does not compute” aspect. The wants and needs of the two signs involved have no real connection—instead it’s a disconnect. They’re unrelated by element or mode, so there’s no natural point of contact, no easy affinity or resonance.”



You are correct! I meant President.

Frankly, I don’t think the whole Republican Party will be in any position to dictate terms to Nancy Pelosi or anybody else by the time this impeachment probe is over. Or it may be Pence doing a dance with Pelosi so that he CAN be president as suggested by one psychic recently.

I am very, very upset by Pompeo’s rescinding a Foreign Policy of ours formulated in the 1970″s disallowing Israeli settlement in the West Bank. Bibi Netanyaya and the Orange Thing and Pompeo will regret this day of infamy, but not before untold more suffering by the Palestinian people…not to mention the violence to ensue in the Middle East as a result. Bad foreign policy has always brought bad results. To Wit: Ukraine for one, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, the EU, Yemen, etc.

I just want this administration neutered before it can do more damage to our planet and the countries occupying it.

Lamis B Faris,
I’m hoping you are right that the R. Party will not be in any position to dictate terms to Nancy Pelosi, et. al. by the time the impeachment probe is over. I’m hoping information discovered through the process will utterly shame to the 10th power the R’s, forcing them to have no choice but to capitulate. I won’t cry one tear if Nancy Pelosi serves for a year as a caretaker president. I just don’t see how it could happen unless we discover incontrovertible, powerful, and plain evidence of betrayal (in bed with the Ruskies) persuasive to at least 2/3 of our population and to a good many R’s as well.

As far as having this president neutered: That’s an excellent and delicious metaphor for Mr. Can’t Keep His Pants On! But I’m ambivalent about it. I think it better to strengthen Congress, re-establishing congressional power, restoring the balance between what are supposed to be the three co-equal branches. It’s true Mr. T has abused his constitutionally mandated powers. There is no doubt we need to address that with specific legislation, mandating exposure of tax returns, legislation, maybe requiring a psychiatric exam for anyone who wants to run, etc. But I don’t want to set a precedent of a truly “neutered” presidency, as we are sure to get good ones in the future, ones that will need sufficient power to do “good” in the world as well as for the USA.

David Johnson appears to be a fairly reputable intuitive who posts occasionally on youtube. His most recent entry seems to corroborate the astrological indicators. Ambassador Gordon Sondland’s appearance before the congressional committee Wednesday Nov 20th coincides with Mercury going stationary direct. It is in dual semi-square to Ambassador Sondland’s natal Jupiter and tr. Jupiter. Will Jupiter (truth) have the upper-hand? One can only hope…………

Will Gordon Sondland Squeal On Trump?


Based on Johnson’s remarks, this could be a water-shed moment.


Re: David Johnson

Sehr interessant!

Sorry to be off topic on this thread, but a bunch of you guys were recommending as movie last thread and i forgot what the name was and want to watch it!


Will will answer that, Diana!

Besides a possible number of anxiety attacks, maybe the Orange Blob is experiencing coronary arrhythmia- all those nasty planets in Capricorn, which is an intercepted sign (more intense) in his 5th house of his heart chakra. So far there are a number of conflicting reports out about his Walter Reed visit.

It seems the Blob hasn’t been seen of late. Staying indoors, or something.

Sure sounds like anxiety attacks to me. I cannot think of anything more logical or reasonable to explain his weekend and present behavior. Despite his tendency to delude himself, surely he must know how deep and dangerous are the waters rising around him.

The question is which mechanism will take him out of office, the 25th amendment, the 2020 election, impeachment & conviction, or resignation. With each witness, with each revelation, the odds increase for all these scenarios.

Will he escape to a country from which he cannot be extradited? Or foment violent rebellion upon losing the election? Like Nero, and Caligula, our narcissistic potus’ story will likely be told centuries from now. Meanwhile, our reputation as a nation burns.

Pardon my penchant for potty mouth, but I honestly believe he has literally been shitting himself and shitting the bed for the last couple of weeks. Even the naval doctor can mark “not acute” but instead list it as a chronic condition. Easy peasy.

By the way, if you have the opportunity, please watch the very opening skit on Stephen Colbert’s show – I almost couldn’t breathe from laughter. That good!




We’ve had psychiatrists warning for months about how freaked out delusional people get they can no longer maintain their delusions.

In case this was missed.

Raw Story


Bob, could Trump’s deal leading to his resignation offiically be about his health, although the anxiety would really be about the possibility of Senators turning against him?


The Laundromat (starring Meryl Streep)

A dark satire on the corruption of big corporate interests.

What I am finding much more riveting and realistic is the newly released series The Crown (season three) which I just started watching. The year – 1967. The trailer speaks for itself. Bob Dylan’s poignant song The Times They Are A Changing softly, majestically repeats itself in the background reminiscent of the shifting sands of the ’60’s counter culture movement. Kind of pertinent to what we are experiencing now with the intensity of the anti Trump sentiment.

Here’s the trailer:


Andre, the combination could be at work in both his physical and psychological makeup. If pressed to choose one as a reason for his departure I suspect physical would be chosen.

Transiting Neptune is opposite his natal Mars/Neptune midpoint. Psychologically that correlates with possibly unrelenting panic. I can do no better than to quote extensively from Bradley’s “Solar and Lunar Returns”.

“This is another of those killing combinations, due to its potency for evil-working in the life. It’s keywords are ‘terror’ and ‘betrayal’, but bear in mind that these are extremes, and not the common expectancy…(tRump’s circumstances at this time are not common). The native invariably finds himself distraught when a Mars-Neptune configuration is angular in his return chart.”

His trip to the hospital was preceded for hours by his progressed Saturn/Pluto midpoint on the MC of his progressed demi-anlunar with transit Neptune opposite his natal Mars/Neptune.

“He has fear-producing premonitions of disaster. His system reacts violently to any intrusion of drugs or tainted foodstuffs, as this is a very health-debilitating influence. … Neurotic trends may evidence themselves in the native’s makeup, for his emotional pattern is skewed under this vibration. The native is subject to brutality and cruelity by others, and is tormented by fear of ridicule and public disgrace.”

When it was stated on a major television program that he had not been seen since the hospital visit (almost 2 1/2 days before) the White House issued a hurry up, most unusual, response at about 10 pm. At the time the opposition of transit Neptune to his natal Mars/Neptune midpoint was exactly on his progressed demi-anlunar.

That last line should read “At the time of the release the opposition of transit Neptune to his natal Mars/Neptune midpoint was exactly on his progressed demi-anlunar MC-IC axis.”

Thank you jerry, that was it! The Laundromat
And, i did see that the third season was out of the Crown, after having very much enjoyed the first two, i look forward to watching it!

Are any of you watching the hearing today?

The Republican attack dogs did their best to make Lt. Col. Vindman look bad, and he has seemed a little flustered and shook up at times — but he is basically fine, and may even do better now that he has experienced these attacks. He does not exemplify your typical macho military stereotype and is probably in his position due to intelligence and character.

One CNN headline describe it as “Republicans are looking to undercut Vindman’s stature and paint him as a grandstander inside White House.”

Trump must be liking it, as he just tweeted “I’m going to let people make their own determination” on Vindman.


Sharon K: Yes, watching!


Colonel Vindman used his opening statement before impeachment investigators to denounce the attacks leveled by President Trump and his allies against those who have appeared, or are scheduled to testify, in the impeachment inquiry.

“The vile character attacks on these distinguished and honorable public servants is reprehensible,” Colonel Vindman said.


‘Prince Andrew’s Noxious Interview About Jeffrey Epstein’

The most riveting moment in the interview came at the very end. The Prince, finally acknowledging Epstein’s deeds, said, “Do I regret the fact that he has quite obviously conducted himself in a manner unbecoming? Yes.” Maitlis immediately dispensed with the inappropriate euphemism. “Unbecoming? He was a sex offender,” she replied, forcing the Prince to reckon with the brute fact.


Bob, this sounds right:

“He has fear-producing premonitions of disaster. Neurotic trends may evidence themselves in the native’s makeup, for his emotional pattern is skewed under this vibration. The native… is tormented by fear of ridicule and public disgrace.”

Premonitions of disaster, indeed. I wonder if he sleeps well at night. Not sure Melania is more than cold comfort.

I have this afternoon’s testimony turned on but am not listening to every word. Volker – who is most impressive (and Morrison is, too) is speaking up for Biden’s integrity and the need to protect Europe against Russia, with the work the U.S. is doing in the Ukraine in this respect of vital importance. Volker, who is unafraid to speak his mind (within the confines of confidentiality), just said that he did not perceive anything that smelled of bribery. I think Nancy Pelosi was a little rash in referring to it as bribery myself as it was handled in a much, more subtle way than that.

Sharon k-

Bribery is defined by Black’s Law Dictionary as the offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of any item of value to influence the actions of an official or other person in charge of a public or legal duty. Wikipedia

Yes, Ja, Schiff said something to that effect. I just think it’s important to not characterize something in a way that others can find reason to negate or (as Volker’s testimony indicated) because that sheds doubt on other aspects of the description and might make it look like the Democrats are over the top, or over-inflating things, etc., which is the very thing the Republicans are repeating over and over. I think it’s important to be conservative to an extent and err on the side of accuracy, without flinching from the truth. I hope I made that clear.

Personally, I find believing Volker’s amended testimony difficult. Very difficult! What? it took him 2 to 3 months to finally figure out that “investigating corruption” meant investigating Biden and his son?
Give me a break.

Morrison is also very, very strange…he goes to see the legal department/lawyer because he thinks the release of the transcript would create chaos in Washington? But he never tells the truth about why it would be so disruptive…

When pushed on this, he just goes round and round.


The Democrats have switched to using the term “bribery” for 2 reasons.

1. The general public does not understand the term “quid pro quo”.

2. The U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section 4 provides: The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Specifically uses the word “Bribery”. They are trying to shave the rough edges off that round peg to make it fit perfectly in the round hole.


Re: “It’s not bribery”

Obviously, it’s a Republican talking point in an effort to normalize, camouflage devious, criminal behavior. Toss it up to that often used phrase – politics as usual.

Here’s an interesting article that debates that very subject on its legal merits……..

The Bad Arguments That Trump Didn’t Commit Bribery


The beginning of Colbert last night
Watch the first 58 seconds


Don’t know if folks on this blog read DT’s own twitter feed often, but if you do, have you noticed a trend in the style of language that is used? It seems to me there has been a change.

I don’t follow it all the time by any means as it is so biased (and crass), but it is at least a reflection of his world – we may not like it, but it’s worth a look now and then to see what he’s dishing out.

There seems to be many more ‘news’ posts from other sources lately, and the kind of language used feels more grammatically correct, but with occasional Trump-like outbursts for ‘authenticity’. Are there more passive vs. active verb tenses, more clauses rather than straight up declarations of his ‘opinions’? Is it my imagination or have others noticed something?

Here’s a recent example, Nov. 18, that got me thinking about this (again) – it sounds like something an English teacher might write, with a few exceptions:

“At my meeting with Jay Powell this morning, I protested fact that our Fed Rate is set too high relative to the interest rates of other competitor countries. In fact, our rates should be lower than all others (we are the U.S.). Too strong a Dollar hurting manufacturers & growth!”

It starts with a front-end phrase that identifies the ‘who,what,when’ of the meeting. Is that kind of information something that DT usually says first?

It has a dropped word: ‘the’ where it reads “protested fact” – but that isn’t that the kind of simple word he wouldn’t drop?

What about the word, “relative”?

The next sentence starts with another front-end phrase, “In fact”. Those kind of sentence set-ups are often done to give a logical impression by the writer. Is logic a concern of DT’s (think back to the earliest tweets that blew everyone away)?

Would DT say ‘hurting’ when he can just say ‘hurts’? What’s the ‘ing’ thing?

I realize most corporate twitter feeds are written by staff, but DT’s feed still has his name on it as the author. Apart from the fillers that are coming from other sources, is DT seeing these later posts before they go out? Hmmm…..

Some scientists have actually analyzed it:


The feed: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump


Haven’t seen your postings here in quite a while. You can contact me by email, obtainable through Nancy. I returned to the PNW in September. I’m not completely settled in here in Olympia yet, but I’ll be happy to have tea, coffee or lunch with you at your convenience. I seem to recall you are in Redmond?

Sondland natal Sun at 115°21’is on tRump natal Saturn at 115°43′. OR tRump natal Saturn is on Sondland natal Sun.

Sondland implicated Pence!

Beowulfie — I read sometime in the early days of his “presidency” that there were multiple people posting to Trumps account (including Stephen Miller), always seeming to be coming from Trump. Became a laughing matter around here because you could always tell when it wasn’t Trump — the tweet would make sense! (LOL)

ja – Sondland threw *everyone* under the bus — including Trump and Pence. He also included Pompeo under the bus’ wheels. I dearly hope that screws up Pompeo’s run for KS senate seat. KS doesn’t want him back here! Of course, in a toss up who’s worse: Pompeo or Kobach?? Yech! Hopefully people will wise up and vote for the Democrat!

Don’t be surprised if DJT makes another “unscheduled” visit to Walter Reed soon.

I don;t follow Twitter. Does anybody have a count of how many tweets tRump has made beginning Saturday evening about 7 pm?

Beowulfie’s post has me wondering if tRump has not been capable of making an understandable since Saturday. Has he perhaps been too filled up with chill pills since then?

Re the use of bribery (and I can see where an alternative to quid pro quo could be helpful), I didn’t want to see the Democrats use a term that made us look, like I said “over the top” or intentionally magnifying or exaggerating things, to many in the country (obviously certain people in the base already thing that as well as others).

Now, with Sondland’s testimony, it does add credence to the situation.

My outlook in general, though, as you may have noticed, is to be realistic and figure out what’s going to work. I am not so idealistic as to think that just because something is ethically right, that gaslighting and spin, and confirmation bias, won’t be a big problem, because they will be….now more than ever, with the internet and AI and the way almost anything can be constructed and put on YouTube. Also, the Republicans and Trump are so unethical, as to be great at it.

I’ve reviewed a lot of articles (via google) about DT’s twitter feed and various analyses of it (there are lots of them). See a few more links below. It appears the feed is ‘fed’ by his staff some of the time, and DT himself uses it whenever he feels like it.

The point being that his twitter feed supplies the public with both DT’s own words at the same time as it provides scripted messages (i.e. propaganda) by his staff. It is both channels in one and it is not entirely possible to tell which is which.

There are quite clearly some direct, unscripted communications from DT himself, whenever he wants and it ‘feels’ like it is really him by the way the text is written. Like his tweet re. Marie Yovanovitch on Nov. 15, 2019 at 7:01am while she was questioned about Ukraine:

The rest of the time, when it might be DT, or might be his staff, it’s uncertain. Who is writing it? The language has been studied by various analysts and, while they don’t say so, it seems to indicate the feed is written by his staff without much supervision by DT himself. Then whose message is it, really?

In situations like DT going into hospital for testing, unless there are witnesses on record, how do you know if DT is functioning fully or not? You don’t, but the feed keeps going anyway.

In short, the liar in chief employs other liars and nobody knows who’s telling what to whom, except maybe a bunch of academics who collect databases and have the tools to pick apart the style of the writing. What a crazy way to figure out what the leader of a country really thinks. And the big question is, how is this going to be used in the next election, because now everybody is going to do it?

Assuming DT is fine, how is the message that’s being put out going to influence events around the time of the next election? The articles certainly say it was very influential indeed in the last one.


Just google Trump twitter analysis to get much, much more.

Oops, I posted this, but made a mistake in the input. It went into moderation – here it is again:

I’ve reviewed a lot of articles (via google) about DT’s twitter feed and various analyses of it (there are lots of them). See a few more links below. It appears the feed is ‘fed’ by his staff some of the time, and DT himself uses it whenever he feels like it.

The point being that his twitter feed supplies the public with both DT’s own words at the same time as it provides scripted messages (i.e. propaganda) by his staff. It is both channels in one and it is not entirely possible to tell which is which.

There are quite clearly some direct, unscripted communications from DT himself, whenever he wants and it ‘feels’ like it is really him by the way the text is written.

Like his tweet re. Marie Yovanovitch on Nov. 15, 2019 at 7:01am while she was questioned about Ukraine:


The rest of the time, when it might be DT, or might be his staff, it’s uncertain. Who is writing it? The language has been studied by various analysts and, while they don’t say so, it seems to indicate the feed is written by his staff without much supervision by DT himself. Then whose message is it, really?

In situations like DT going into hospital for testing, unless there are witnesses on record, how do you know if DT is functioning fully or not? You don’t, but the feed keeps going anyway.

In short, the liar in chief employs other liars and nobody knows who’s telling what to whom, except maybe a bunch of academics who collect databases and have the tools to pick apart the style of the writing. What a crazy way to figure out what the leader of a country really thinks. And the big question is, how is this going to be used in the next election, because now everybody is going to do it?

Assuming DT is fine, how is the message that’s being put out going to influence events around the time of the next election? The articles certainly say it was very influential indeed in the last one.


Just google Trump twitter analysis to get much, much more.

Here’s another one. It’s pretty sure we’ll get more of the same as the election year goes on:


Among those House Intel Committee members I am VERY impressed with include:

Val Demings, a FL representative, and once the first female police chief of the Orlando Police Dept;

Sean Patrick Mahoney (boy is he sharp), congressman from NY who once ran for NY AG, and 1st openly gay member of the House;

Jackie Speier, Congesswoman from CA who was shot 5 times in the Jonestown massacre, and chronicled it in her book, “Undaunted:….”

Ken Starr on the Sondland testimony: ‘It’s over

“There will be articles of impeachment,” Starr said. “I think we’ve known that, it was just confirmed today. Substantively, what we heard from the chairman just now is: It’s over. We now know — this is his position — we now know that the president in fact committed the crime of bribery.”

https://theweek.com/speedreads/879707/ken-starr-sondland-testimony-over via @TheWeek

Sharon K,

I’ve been enjoying watching Rep. Maloney myself. Got curious about him today and looked up more bio stuff. Was momentarily disappointed he’s gay, but then … What do I care? It’s pure enjoyment of a smart, good-looking man to me.

He’s 53. Born in Quebec to two US citizens. Father worked as a lumberjack. One of six Irish Catholic kids. Raised in New Hampshire.

Graduate of UVA with degree in international relations and then law degree. Worked on Bill Clinton’s campaign and in the Clinton White House.

Spent a year volunteering with Jesuits in slums of Peru.

Worked for Eliot Spitzer and NY Governor David Patterson. Elected to Congress in 2012. Ran for NY Attorney General in 2018 but defeated in primary.

Met his husband while he was helping plan Democratic National Convention — there’s a great political spouse-meeting story. They have three adopted children.

Started their family when they learned a friend of the family was dealing with a drug-addicted relative who had a three-year-old. They ended up adopting her.

Maloney hadn’t even come out to his parents as gay at the time. His now-husband brought the girl into his home, and the two of them started raising her together. Done.

They’ve been together now for 26 years. Isn’t this a great bio for a politician?

Music to my ears from Gordon Sondland, today.

“Everyone was in the loop,” he said. “It was no secret.”

Vice-President Pence, Mr. Pompeo, Mr. Mulvaney and John R. Bolton.

I wonder if any of them will come forward to testify?

Theresa Hill, thanks for all of that info on Rep. Maloney. Who knew? Very touching and says a lot about the man. I liked him before; I like him even better now.

So does anyone have John Bolton’s birth time? I’d like to look at his chart and see if he might testify voluntarily to defend his reputation as the “white night.” Sondland certainly sullied it today!


Marianne Williamson speech. Deserves to be heard and shared.

John Bolton birth time. Rectified

Time rectified by one of Marjore Orr readers – A.H. Cats

Looks good to me.

Rectified horoscope, without known birthtime.
+ 5 hours
39°,16’19,0 N
76°,40’22,0 W

See post https://star4cast.com/john-bolton-surrender-not-an-option/

fwiw – latest from whimsey

Here is a comment from the NYT’s:

“What these hearings have shown is that the entire GOP is a party of miserable, pitiful and sorry men who are unable to shed their affiliation and affinity to a shameful past in our history. It is this affinity that they share with Trump. It is why they rush to protect him in the face of overwhelming evidence of his corruption.

It is also why we must defeat Trump in the elections. We need to bury misogyny, bigotry, corruption, vile hatred and narcissism, religious pandering and a lot more. We cannot let this banal man turn our society into his playground. We cannot let his sycophants and subordinates turn our system into a cynical mess.”


Thanks, Teresa. Yes, he is very impressive. The world will get used to gay political leaders. Look at Pete. He is amazingly bright and well-spoken. He may be our VP candidate (I think it’s too early but I felt that about Obama, too), or Gov of Indiana or in Congress or the Senate. Quite a future is waiting for him. Well, here is my comments about tonight’s debate: I am still in favor of Biden as a good transitional president. I felt more than ever that Bernie and Elizabeth are too rigid. They missed the boat when asked if there was room for people like John Bel Edwards in the Dem party after passing a strict abortion law. There better be. Otherwise, we’ll continue to have Republicans in power in Red states, suppressing votes and supporting gerrymandering. I imagine they were talking directly to their base. Michael Moore just said on MSNBC that he endorses Bernie as he and Bernie represent the mainstream now. To me, he’s wearing blinders. We need others besides progressive Democrats to vote even if the younger Dems are progressive. I still like Amy very much as our VP, as well as Mayor Pete, and Steyer who is an environmentalist and hit the nail on the head about getting the vote out and I know he’ll put his money into that.

I admire, respect, and really like Bernie, &
EW, and many, (not all) of their ideas desperately need to become legislative reality. But I agree with you they are too rigid.

Michael Moore made some pretty good points but he’s engaging in some intense wishful thinking in his belief that he and Bernie are mainstream. Although I admire his pluck, I often find MM’s reasoning as shallow.

The problem I see in ALL our Dem (and R) politicians is the unconscious assumption that we, the body politic, are all at the same level of consciousness, unlike what we’ve discerned through Kohlberg’s scale, or Fowler’s stage s of faith development. That false assumption leads to the misunderstanding of important issues, and poor communication about them. Ultimately, it is one of our main sources for unintended consequences.

In 2020 our Dem nominee will square off against either Trump or someone else with similar ideology. If its Pence, we’ll be facing a Dominionist, a dangerous Christo-Fascist with a medieval world view. We, the world, cannot afford to lose this one.

sent from my phone


President Trump will be out of office by March 2020, says Anthony Scaramucci
Adam Shapiro
November 4, 2019, 9:04 PM UTC

OK, Scaramucci is no saint, nor a pristine clairvoyant, but the fact he declared such an opinion a couple of weeks ago is interesting.

stephanie, I dont think anyone knows Boltons birthtime or Marjorie would likely have it. Shes usually pretty good at sourcing
She wrote this in sept: https://star4cast.com/john-bolton-going-but-not-quietly/

There were a lot of negative comments on the Democratic Underground debate watcher’s thread last night & joy that Kamala seemed to take the wind out of her sails, as well as Pete. I didn’t see all of that but was wondering what Tulsi was up to with her perfectly made up face & couldn’t help but think about her cult affiliation. She talks of unity, isolationism, & met with Assad, & Hillary implied she’s a Russian mole. Any ideas? Her Aries stellum seems to imbue her with an innocent confidence.

Some words got cut out. First sentence should read: “…last night about Tulsi Gabbard…”

Anyone else notice the irony that Mr. T TV reality shill is still captivating our media attention 24/7. My astrological skills do not match up to many here, however I can “feel” and “sense” a connection to the astrology of 2019.

Anyone else notice the irony that Mr. T TV reality shill is still captivating our media attention 24/7. My astrological skills do not match up to many here, however I can “feel” and “sense” a connection to the astrology of 2019.

Hi Laura,

I assume you meant “shrill”. Some attention has been given lately to Trump’s current progressed New Moon. Some astrologers feel he may be on the verge of casting aside his image and good fortune just as he did in the early nineties with the bankruptcy of his ill-conceived Trump airline and casino enterprises, that happened to coincide with his last progressed New Moon. Here’s an excellent article that delves into the details…..

Donald J. Trump And The Progressed New Moon
by Lynn Hayes

Donald Trump is going through a tough time right now. Impeachment inquiry, staff changes – it appears as though his teflon presidency is facing some bumps in the road and this is coming at a time when he is particularly astrologically sensitive, with transiting Saturn, the planet of tests and challenges, facing off in a square against his natal Chiron (emotional wounds).

Things will not get easier for him next year when both Saturn and Pluto (destruction and regeneration) hit his natal Saturn by opposition in January and February. His Venus (relationships) is involved as well since it conjoins his natal Saturn, and his fragile alliances and partnerships (Venus) will be tested. However, he will also have Jupiter (opportunity) and Pluto (empowerment) harmonizing with his Midheaven (career and public life) which could serve to empower him despite the challenges coming from outside.

Right now, at this exact moment, there is a New Moon in his progressed chart. Just like a New Moon in the sky, a progressed New Moon occurs when the Sun and Moon align in the progressed chart, the natal chart which evolves through time as a forecasting tool. Progressed New Moons occur every 29 years or so and are times of shedding the past and beginning something new – they are significant times of change and evolution.

The last time Trump experienced a Progressed New Moon was in Leo back in 1990. This coincides with the time of the acquisition and renovation of the Atlantic City Taj Mahal – the greatest casino ever built in the history of the world (reflecting the Leo need for self-aggrandizement and attention). This event led to corporate bankruptcies and a complete restructuring of Trump’s businesses to focus on branding and licensing of the Trump name. This also marks the time of Trump’s affair with Marla Maples which ended his first marriage.



I thought the debate was a joke and I was ashamed by it. Not one of the contenders spoke seriously about climate change. I wish some of these egotistical candidates would get real and go home.

I’m also hoping that we will have fewer candidates on the state in Dec., Ja. Thus far, only Biden, Warren, Sander, Buttigieg, Klobuchar & Harris have qualified. I also like Yang very much and have a good feeling about Steyer but I would be ok with just those 6.

sorry: “…on the stage in Dec…”


Wherever you may be – I believe you had it quite right when you expressed serious doubts about Tulsi Gabbard’s trustworthiness/credibility a few months ago. Pithy insight!

trumps bestie, netanyahu, indicted on corruption – fraud, bribery, breach of trust.

I admire schiff’s self control for being able to sit expressionless next to loony tunes nunes’ while listening to him repeatedly reading his nonsense narrative.

An event that precipitated the September 18th and 19th Saturn station opposite the Sibly chart Sun occurred on about July 25th. It was tRump’s NM in right ascension before it being in longitude in September. The July date tells us there is less than 1 year for almost everyone to finally believe he will be put out.

tRump’s New Moon in right ascension:

tRump’s New Moon in longitude, preceding September 18 blow up.: https://i.imgur.com/neqYtRG.gif

Whole tRump post: https: REMOVE THIS SPACE //www.democraticunderground.com/122018291

Kiwi, I agree with you. Schiff is to be admired.

Did anyone see Trump out in the driveway reading from his notes about “I want nothing”? How can anyone take him seriously as a president? Who does stuff like that?

Remembering Bradleys interpretation for the Mars-Neptune combination and believing tRump to be a racist I note that his progressed Mars made these conjunctions during President Obama’s campaign and the 2 terms of his presidency:

Conjunct natal Neptune in longitude.

Conjunct natal Neptune in right ascension.

Conjunct progressed Neptune in longitude.

Conjunct progressed Neptune in right ascension.

From Bradley:

“This is another of those killing combinations, due to its potency for evil-working in the life. It’s keywords are ‘terror’ and ‘betrayal’, … The native invariably finds himself distraught when a Mars-Neptune configuration is angular in his return chart.” (I believe it applies even when not angular and is present in any chart – aspects are always “on”).

“He has fear-producing premonitions of disaster. … Neurotic trends may evidence themselves in the native’s makeup, for his emotional pattern is skewed under this vibration. The native … is tormented by fear of ridicule and public disgrace.”

For others with nearly the same chart those aspects may have played out in another area.

Nunes knows cows and grapes.
He’s loved in the Central Valley, Calif. bcz he diverted water to the farmers.
In their book, he’s a heeero, even though he’s an intellectual midget.

He talks nonsense gibberish, actually he reads it from a script given to him.

Only other thing is that he’s Portugese, not Hispanic.
Devin is a no hat and no cattle farmer, just an empty vessel and a smoker, boring too.

Will, I’m still here. I read a lot more than I post. Did you see this? Quite telling:


Trump’s errand person in Damascus.

On another note, I was sad to find out this week that Judi Wood, who used to post here, and who some of us knew from Table Talk, passed away from lymphoma in late September. Judi was an excellent artist, a mom and grandmother, and an altogether fine human being. She will be missed.

Fiona Hill:

“I can say with confidence that this country has offered for me opportunities I would never have had in England,” Hill said in recounting her modest upbringing. Then she got down to business,


Hey Jackson,

Very sorry to hear of Judi’s passing. Was she the same SLN contributor aka Judith? Was she from or did she work near UC Berkeley?

Will, yes. I believe that’s her. She lived across the bay in San Bruno.


Often wondered what had become of her; if memory serves me, she shared our group horror about the “election” of GWB; she had an outrageous sense of humor and was a very avid contributor.

We each of us never really know when we will draw our last breath into our mortal coil.
Peace to you, Judith. Blissful travels.

Susan Rice:

“these hearings have amply demonstrated the extraordinary caliber and character of our nonpartisan career Foreign Service officers, civil servants and uniformed military personnel. The intellect, integrity, selflessness and sense of duty displayed by each of the officials who testified — even in the face of harsh personal attacks and efforts at witness intimidation orchestrated by the president — are extraordinary. They reflect the commitment to country that I witnessed every day for 16 years when I was privileged to serve alongside these kinds of apolitical officers.”


And this from Susan Rice:

“While Americans spew venom at one another, Russia is working overtime to pour salt into our wounds. Using social media every day to inflame distrust, fear and hate, Russia is pitting Americans against one another by fueling extremes on both sides of every divisive issue, whether race, immigration or guns.
Mr. Putin seeks to dismantle democracy and destroy America’s standing as a global leader. The only question is whether we will allow him to succeed.

Jackson, thank you for letter us know about Judi Wood. I remember her well. I think she posted some links to her artwork of cats. She definitely was an avid contributor, Will, and had a lot to share. ..she made her presence felt and asserted her views with honesty. If I remember correctly, she had said she was a Gemini but I could be wrong. I am sad to hear about her passing. I often wonder about Alex, too. She was another consistent poster who was always posting charts about people and subjects that interested her (kind of out of the clear blue sky). I wonder if she too has left the body as I miss her presence here. Sending love and light to both of these precious souls.

letting, not letter ~ lost my reading glasses, so that is my excuse for mistake and typos this weekend!

Interesting new development. CNN reports Devin Nunes went to Europe to find dirt on Biden. He should testify before his own committee.


Sharon, you are correct. Judi was a Gemini.

State Dept. just released documents to American Oversight.org thru Freedom of Information Act. Austin Evers now on MSNBC announcing now.

Implicates Pompeo and Guliani.

More articles of impeachment of obstruction of Congress since the House has asked for these documents, but through American Oversight.org’s lawsuit, that organization got the documents NOT the House.

100 Documents just released! Madeleine Westerhouse , Trump’s assistant implicated as well…the link to Trump and Pompeo as a glorified messanger…


quite a read!



Probably what Barr and Trump were having an “animated discussion” about something as seen through a window in White House recently.

Blows holes in many of the talking points by the Repugs and the Orange Blob.


This is certain a Mercury going Direct period!!!

Finally! Something that implicates Nunes and his hypocrisy.

OK, this is not about astrology or politics, but may be of interest to many in our community.

My terminally I’ll wife collects tarot decks & books. I’m extremely impressed with one she found recently, The Wild Unknown Tarot, created by Kim Krans. The deck’s archetypal images are to me far more interesting and compelling than any others I’ve seen over the last 50 years. It also includes the best tarot guidebook I think I’ve ever seen. I’m very impressed with the depth, clarity, and simplicity therein. My wife believes it will be of great help in her writing, as it is designed for storytelling.

Excellent article by Bret Stevens:

we’ve been living in a country undergoing its own dismal process of Ukrainianization: of treating fictions as facts; and propaganda as journalism; and political opponents as criminals; and political offices as business ventures; and personal relatives as diplomatic representatives; and legal fixers as shadow cabinet members; and extortion as foreign policy; and toadyism as patriotism; and fellow citizens as “human scum”; and mortal enemies as long-lost friends — and then acting as if all this is perfectly normal. This is more than a high crime. It’s a clear and present danger to our security, institutions, and moral hygiene.


Linda G and Kirsten

tRump may die in some manner, Pence is really worried, Barr is going to fold

November 22, Anniversary of JFK, with Third Eye Champagne (No F bombs)


I enjoyed Linda G’s speculation about Trump’s unscheduled trip to Walter Reed. She thinks he was pitching a fit in the White House, hitting and kicking things, and maybe injured himself during the fit. Sprained or some small broken bones.

Ancient Rome lasted 1,000 years. For the first half, it was a Republic with checks and balances, notably in the Senate and the Capitol, much like the US. Then, it had its first emperor who came to power through a coup. It was an empire for the second 500 years, during which it declined and fell. Emperors were considered living gods and were officially worshiped. This may be what Trump has in mind.

The Founding Fathers were clearly inspired by the Roman Republic and feared the rise of a tyrant. Let us hope we are not living such a turning point.

Andre, To be taken with a grain of salt, but I went to a scholarly workshop on reincarnation and social work practice 2 years ago, that was organized by the state chapter of the National Assoc. of Social Work. You may or may not know that there is a lot of study and evidence on the subject, and one landmark book was Brian Weiss M.D.’s “Many Lives, Many Masters”. Published in 1988, he was head of Psychiatry at Mt. Sinai Hospital in Miami Beach when I both lived there and worked for the UM School of Medicine. Much more has been done in the field since that book came out. In my conversation with the person giving the workshop, I was told that Donald Trump is thought to have been the Emperor Nero in a past life. https://www.history.com/topics/ancient-history/nero

Sharon, I’m not sure but I seem to recall Kim Carey saying that Trump had been an emperor in a past life.
I don’t think he has any interest in music but the rest of Nero surely fits.

That man will be brought to his knees and locked up before he is ever worshipped as a god. We are not going back to those dark ages.

Hey Sharon K,
I’ve also wondered which bad Roman emperor Mr T might have been. I’ve long been of the opinion the Anglosphere is the reincarnation of the Roman Republic/Empire. We, like the Romans even have two capitals, one in London, the other in Washington, DC.

But one would think Nero
(the fellow referred to in the gematria of the book of revelation as 666)
would through several incarnations have “grown up” some spiritually. Is Trump more advanced than Nero? Hard to tell.

Sharon K, thank you. Nero was a great organizer of sporting and artistic events. When he died, he said: “What a great artist dies with me.” Sounds like another narcissist who had to be in the news.

The Senate posthumously declared him a public enemy and passed a motion damning his memory. I wonder if this part of history will repeat itself.

I personally believe 45 has inadvertently set off a string of dominoes which will eventually result in a WWII level regional war in the Mideast and western Asia. He WILL be blamed.

I also suspect whomever is elected as potus in 2024 will negotiate an end or take some kind of action which will end that war & re-establish order, peace, and fomentation of democracy.

I also heard that Trump was the reincarnation of Caligula 37-41 AD. Caligula was married thrice before he married Milonia, the fourth and last wife of his reign.

The emperors of Rome, especially near the end of the empire, were all narcissists and a little off kilter. Caligula was pretty extreme in creative cruelty. But then, so was Nero.

Eliseo – Thank you for the “heads up” on the Tarot deck,and your wife’s recommendation. I’ll definitely have to look for it. You know how I am about my tarot decks — although I only ever read from the Thoth!

Somebody help me out here, please. SOMEONE once stated that their wasn’t “an” Anti-Christ, but several thru the ages. I want to think it was one of the current students of Nostradamus, but I’m not sure.

That statement (tho not the speaker) has stuck with me thru decades, and explains so much when it comes to people like Hitler, Idi Amin, Papa Doc, Trump, and so many other dictators. It’s like a constant whack-a-mole of good vs evil.

Off-Topic Tech Question:

On this site, and only on this site, my typing is like typing into a buffer. Now, granted, even at my advanced age I’m still a damned fast typist. But I don’t overrun buffers anyplace else. Has anyone else experienced this? I figure it’s some setting I’ve turned on for security sake’s… but it’s just weird it doesn’t happen anywhere else!

FYI: am using latest Chrome, running latest IOBIT software for malware, virus, and System Care. (BTW, I can’t vouch for this software enough… I’ve used it for over 5 years and have never had so much as a hitch in this PC’s getalong!) Extensions on Chrome are various Adblock and UBlock, as well as DuckDuckGo Privacy Settings. Any ideas of where to look for something THIS arcane?! (gryn) I’m running 16 gig mem, btw… and usually stay way below 30% even with multiple windows open.

Just say this over on DU:

A bombshell new report suggests that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo was directly involved in the cover-up of Jamal Khashoggi’s murder.

It’s not been verified across any other news reports that I know of, but here’s the original link below. After living thru Pompeo in Brownback’s dis-governing of KS, it wouldn’t surprise me a bit!


Gods, what tangled webs…!

Rep. Stefanik’s largest donor is Paul Singer, you know, the guy who paid for the Fusion GPS to do oppo research on Donald Trump which turned into the #TrumpRussia dossier


I’m reminded of the “plots within plots” from the Dune series!


Re: Bret Bret Stevens – what you said, indeed! Thank you for posting.

When it comes to Nostradamus, I’m at least mildly skeptical. But Nostradamus scholars say he referred to three anti-Christs, Napoleon, Hitler and one to come in the future. Frankly, I take those interpretations with a grain of salt, as the quatrains although enigmatic, are sufficiently ambiguous to be applied to just about any century or time period.

In the Islamic World men often swear when frustrated, calling something or someone’s antichrist.

What I meant to write was calling something or someone a “little antichrist.”

RE: Pompeo plan to assist Saudis in the coverup of Jamal Khashoggi’s murder.

I’m stunned. If this is verified…
and surely if true Pompeo had to have been acting under knowledge and orders of his boss, i.e. Mr. T.
Cover-up of bribery, extortion,
M-U-R-D-E-R !?!?
If the R’s in the Senate can’t bring themselves to vote for conviction if these allegations prove true, merely voting them out of office would be entirely too kind.

heard an excellent description from a former national security person
“… we are left with a transnational crime syndicate masked as government”

“House Intelligence Committee in possession of video, audio recordings from Giuliani associate Lev Parnas”



““… we are left with a transnational crime syndicate masked as government”


chilling – aint it the truth will



troubled waters ahead for trumps buddy nunes

Will, “kiwi,

““… we are left with a transnational crime syndicate masked as government”


At the fall of the USSR there were only two institutions strong enough to survive. KGB and Russian Mafia. This is what Putin’s russia is today.

Psychic David Johnson’s impressions on former US National Security Advisor John Bolton’s pending testimony before congress…. He gives it a 95 per cent chance of happening and likens it to a lightening bolt hitting the capitol. It would be a game changer. He senses the dates around Dec 11th – perhaps Bolton’s appearance before the committee? Bolton has stated over the past couple of weeks he has a plethora of information to divulge related to the Ukraine investigation that as yet not been disclosed.

Looking at both the ephemeris and Bolton’s chart for clues, I noticed the December 12th Full Moon has tr. Mars conjunct Bolton’snatal Mercury (15 Scorpio) in square to Bolton’s natal Pluto (16 Leo) AND in semi-square/sesqui-quadrate to Bolton’s Uranus-Jupiter opposition (29 Gemini-1 Capricorn). Powerful stuff.

Here’s Bolton’s chart:



This is the only passage from star4cast that I find difficult to understand.

“His interface with Trump is edgy and confused at the best of times with Trump’s Neptune square Mercury sitting on top of Nunes’ Sun Pluto square Saturn.”

Nunes at times seems to virtually channel Trump’s deceptions and defensive projections.

Will, my take is, thats the reason Nunes seems to behave like a headless chicken. So eager to please, aka political kiss a**, but perpetually flummoxed as to what might be an effective ‘how’.

kiwi, Yep Chilling!

““… we are left with a transnational crime syndicate masked as government”

“(Closet Hispanic) Nunes to face ethics investigation in Trump coverup — Pronounced “noon-yezz”…who we suspect lies about his ancestry as a cover for racist bigotry”

veteranstoday.com/2019/11/23/closet-hispanic-nunes-to-face-ethics-investigation-in-trump-coverup/… via

May be some truth to this; I don’t know but something to think about.


“Nunes seems to behave like a headless chicken. So eager to please, aka political kiss a**, but perpetually flummoxed as to what might be an effective ‘how’.”

Clever lass;a penetrating insight.

From Newscope:

“Uranus turns direct on January 10 at 2º Taurus, around the same time as the Saturn-Pluto conjunction, so this promises to be a major turning point in the evolution of this affair. Most likely, that’s when the Senate will take up the impeachment process. Over the next two months, transiting Uranus goes on to square Giuliani’s Mars, Trump’s progressed Saturn, and its final square to Trump’s progressed Midheaven on March 26. Stay tuned!”


BarbK, you’ve been very quiet. Are you okay?

In the 1840’s Bavarian princess, Alexandra Amelie believed that as a child she had swallowed an entire grand piano made of glass. She therefore walked through the halls of the palace sideways, so as to not shatter the glass within.

Rick Perry, our Secretary of Energy & former governor of Texas believes Mr. T is “the Chosen One.”

God’s used imperfect people all through history’: Perry shares why he thinks Trump is the ‘chosen one’


ja, there are more goings on, on January 10. That may be the beginning of 7 consecutive days of major troubles for tRump.

tRump may have been chosen but I”l bet he forgot what for.

David Johnson thinks chances Bolton will speak are about 95% and says if he does many of the cabal will fall. Bolton has a Jupiter return in early December.

Yes, I miss barbk!

the seal that trump fired navy sec for, seems to possess such an arrogant swagger while walking – I wonder if he has hopes of getting a trump political appointment?

Perry drank Joni’s Kool-Aid and asked for seconds.


“Lordy, there ARE tapes!

House Intelligence Committee in possession of video, audio recordings from Giuliani associate Lev Parnas

The House Intelligence Committee is in possession of audio and video recordings and photographs provided to the committee by Lev Parnas, an associate of President Donald Trump’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, who reportedly played a key role in assisting him in his efforts to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and Ukraine, multiple sources familiar with the matter tell ABC News.

The material submitted to the committee includes audio, video and photos that include Giuliani and Trump. It was unclear what the content depicts and the committees only began accessing the material last week.

“We have subpoenaed Mr. Parnas and Mr. [Igor] Fruman for their records. We would like them to fully comply with those subpoenas,” House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff told CNN Sunday, with a committee spokesperson adding they would not elaborate beyond the chairman’s comments. ”


More on January 10 eclipse.

By: Bob on May 22nd, 2019 at 9:29 pm

“kiwi, the January 10, 2020, eclipse MC when located to Colorado Springs is at 295°15?. tRump’s natal Saturn is on the IC at 295°43?. The July 16 lunar eclipse at 295°57? has his Saturn on it. The eclipse MC in Colorado Springs is at 150°53?. tRumps Mars is at 149°25?.

His natal chart located to Colorado Springs has it’s MC at 5°56?. His natal Neptune is on the IC at 5°57?. The January 10 lunar eclipse Pluto is on the Desc at 5°29”, Saturn is on it at 5°51?.

He may not be there but his fingerprints appear to be.”

“Trump may have been chosen, but I’ll bet he forgot what for!” Love it, Bob! Thanks!

This position for the July 16, 2019 eclipse MC in Colorado Springs, CO, (The eclipse MC in Colorado Springs is at 150°53′.) is for when the eclipse is computed in right ascension, a technique I use to look for additional information.

Has anyone looked at Bloomberg’s chart and/or chances, or has his birth time?
I’m concerned, as I feel that if he becomes the Dem nominee, we will surely lose the election.

I had looked, Eliseo. He has quite the Aquarius stellum, some of which, like his sun, aspects the U.S. moon but I believe I saw some problems too (too lazy to look it up again but I believe I posted it above if you do a search). There are definitely independents and Republicans who would vote for him because of his business acumen and his positive accomplishments as mayor of NY. I think the progressive Dems would not. B. has announced that he entered the race because he doesn’t think Biden will win and he doesn’t want Warren to be the candidate. Where will the needle fall along the continuum? There is such a range. I heard Howard Dean, of whom I’m a big fan, talk about Warren’s plans Saturday, and he made them sound a little more doable. He thinks very highly of her, as in “if Liz says she will do something, she will do it”, highlighting the fact that the single payer feature doesn’t kick in right away (something like that).

Sharon K,
Yes, Progressive Dems will not vote for him, but neither will Black voters or Southern White Dems. The man has no idea how much he is despised among Southern Dem moderates & liberals. Bloomberg would split the Dem vote, and guarantee a R. win of the presidency. He would likely be a disaster down ballot as well.


“…..Bolton has a Jupiter return in early December.”

Good observation. Essentially, on the 12th, tr. Mars conjunct natal Mercury (15 Scorpio), square natal Pluto (16 Leo) will semi-square his Jupiter and larger Jupiter return (1 ’08 Capricorn) in opposition to natal Uranus (29 ’44 Gemini).


“tRump may have been chosen but I”l bet he forgot what for.”

What SharonK said! Priceless!


“Perry drank Joni’s Kool-Aid and asked for seconds.


Eliseo, star4cast has few articles on bloomberg. she does not see his aspects next year as favorable.

EXCERPT – Resignation Letter OF Richard V. Spencer

“Dear Mr. President:

As Secretary of the Navy, one of the most important responsibilities I have to our people is to maintain good order and discipline throughout the ranks. I regard this as deadly serious business. The lives of our Sailors, Marines and civilian teammates quite literally depend on the professional execution our many missions, and they also depend on the ongoing faith and support of the people we serve and the allies we serve alongside.
The rule of law is what sets us apart from our adversaries. Good order and discipline is what has enabled our victory against foreign tyranny time and again, from Captain Lawrence’s famous order “Don’t Give up the Ship” to the discipline and determination that propelled our flag to the highest point of Iwo Jima.

The Constitution, and the Uniform Code of Military Justice, are the shields that set us apart, and the beacons that protect us all. Through my Title Ten Authority, I have strived to ensure our proceedings are fair, transparent and consistent, from the newest recruit to the Flag and General Officer level.

Unfortunately, it has become apparent that in this respect, I no longer share the same understanding with the Commander in Chief who appointed me, in regards to the key principle of good order and discipline. I cannot in good conscience obey an order that I believe violates the sacred oath I took in the presence of my family, my flag and my faith to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

Respectfully yours,
Richard V. Spencer


Judge Jackson tears into the unitary executive theory that often guides Trump/Barr DOJ opinions:

“Stated simply, the primary takeaway from the past 250 years of recorded American history is that Presidents are not kings.”


Wouldn’t all of the 70 plus candidates, including Trump, have similar big planet transits? If so, wouldn’t that rule all of them out just as Marjorie Orr has ruled Bloomberg out? Or am I showing how much I don’t know about Astrology?


Every one of us will have transiting Saturn conjunct transiting Pluto in our charts – its a matter of what house in our charts this event takes place and the aspects this conjunction makes to other planet placements. For instance, if this conjunction of planets formed a square to ones sun or moon or ascendant, – or if it made a direct hit on one’s sun or moon or ascendant, it will likely have a more dramatic impact on that person’s chart. Because Capricorn has been the host sign for Pluto since 2007 – and Capricorn is the sign associated with big government, big corporations, the established order and those who are elevated and known, as restrictive, karmic-adjusting Saturn conjuncts powerful, transformative through death Pluto, its very likely we will see Plutocrats and Plutocratic entities take a hit at the degree of this conjunction in their/those charts.

That’s my best shot – and I could be wrong.

Thanks, Will. I was thinking that all of us in the ’70’s would have similar large planet placement but Orr says that Bloomberg’s Pluto/Sarurn conjunction will be opposite his Mars/Neptune. Wouldn’t that mean that Neptune was in Cancer in his natal chart? Well, I’m less than 6 mos. older than MB and my Neptune is in later Virgo so what you wrote makes sense to me. What Marjorie wrote doesn’t. Not worth worrying about, I suppose.


Ms Orr wrote “… the tr Pluto Saturn conjunction opposition his Mars/Neptune midpoint …”. That is TRANSITING Pluto Saturn conjunction opposition his Mars/Neptune MIDPOINT.

tRump wishes he could dance to this so he could toss Melania but unfortunately he can’t fit into his uniform anymore. Even if you don’t believe that last part the video is worth watching.

André Rieu – Emperor Waltz (Kaiser-Walzer) 8:28

Two OMB officials resigned voicing concerns over Ukraine aid hold, official testifies

Two officials at the White House Office of Management and Budget recently resigned while voicing concerns over the holdup on Ukraine aid, a career employee of the agency told impeachment investigators, according to a transcript of his testimony released Tuesday.

Mark Sandy, the only OMB official to testify in the impeachment inquiry, did not name the employees in question. He said one worked in the OMB legal division and described that person as having a “dissenting opinion” about how the security assistance to Ukraine could be held up in light of the Impoundment Control Act, which limits the ability of the executive branch to change spending decisions already made by Congress.

The other person, who resigned in September, “expressed some frustrations about not understanding the reason for the hold,” Sandy said.
Sandy testified on Nov. 16, becoming the first OMB official to do so after political appointees at the agency defied congressional subpoenas to participate in the House Democrats’ impeachment inquiry.

His testimony is the first public confirmation that the dispute at the OMB over handling of the Ukraine aid became so intense that it contributed to resignations from the agency.


Re. Bloomberg, I believe that Bloomberg’s role in the coming election contest is to be a measuring post against which all the other Dem candidates will be measured.

It is likely that he is deliberate and fully aware that his contribution will elevate the debate. He may also believe he has a chance to actually win, but in any case, his presence on the slate will change the debate and help put the other candidates in perspective. He is a serious politician with a serious record and clearly is in full possession of his faculties despite his age – which is increasingly a concern with Biden. Both are intelligent and capable, but Biden may not hold up over a full term if he is elected because he is already showing signs of mental aging with some confusion, slips in language etc.

Bloomberg will also be a foil to Tom Steyer, who is a serious, powerful candidate despite his lack of legislative experience. As the race unfolds, Bloomberg will make the inadequate candidates look worse and the better candidates look better by comparison. I think he is an invaluable addition to the Dem selection process whether he wins or not. As they say, getting there is half the fun.

Interesting reader’s comment in NYT today:

“Most of the candidates have actually been running for Vice President or as a dress rehearsal for 2024. Klobuchar is at the top of my list as a veep candidate on a ticket with Biden at the top, giving her the White House in 2024. For those who are not enthusiastic about Biden or who think Klobuchar should be at the top of the ticket, keep in mind that defeating Trump is the name of the game, and there is absolutely no evidence that anyone else could beat Trump in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Florida, the only states that matter.”

I heard on the radio today Trump repeatedly, incessantly refers to Article II of the Constitution, claiming it gives him (although he has not explicitly used the specific word, but his meaning was clear) “absolute” power. Dershowitz is now making the claim the Constitution gives the president more power than any king, past or present.

I’m shaking my head. How did such people EVER gain leadership positions in our society? What fascist universe did these dweebs incarnate from into our solar system? And can we send them back?


“…What fascist universe did these dweebs incarnate from into our solar system? And can we send them back?”


maybe the despicable liars need to be widely shamed by flooding the twittisphere etc with these biblical admonishments. Logical arguments dont compute with the trump cult https://www.openbible.info/topics/liar


It would be fitting should the following quote crawl on a chiron beneath “him” on a Faux News clip;

“You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.”

Thank you for posting the positively divine snark;
Wicked good!

will, personally I like this one from exodus -“You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness.”

It would be great if we could promulgate an alternative biblical prophecy myth portraying Trump as the “great betrayer”. But evangelical Christians & fundamentalists follow what their pastors teach them. Unfortunately, EC leaders already embrace the Last Emperor prophecies. It would be pretty hard to do dislodge and redirect their mindsets.

I did a great deal of graduate research years ago, writing quite a number of papers on the religious right. But way before that time, when I was in HS, I concluded they were the greatest and most important internal threat to our democracy. I felt then as I do now that although Big Money, and/or corporate “personhood” are enormously powerful deleterious influences, the religious right (usually allied with Big Money) supplied the mythological rationale that makes the brew so insidiously poisonous.

The tension between secular, democratic-Republican constitutional values and those of authoritarian religionists goes all the way back to the beginnings of the Massachusetts Bay colonial puritans.

If our “grand experiment” in government ever fails, I believe it will likely be due to the over empowerment of those same Christo-fascists.
I pray it to never happen.

Ralfee Finn:

“we are increasingly stunned by unrelenting individual and collective upheaval.”


As morning begins here on the 24hr earth day, may I be the first to wish everyone a peaceful, loving, and gratitude filled thanksgiving.

Eliseo, a few months ago Marjorie Orr made the point that the Mercury-Pluto opposition in the US chart made the country prone to fanaticism. This opposition will be powerfully activated in 2020 by the Saturn-Pluto-Jupiter conjunctions in Capricorn all year through the Inaugural in January 2021. I believe it accounts for the resurgence of Christo-fascism, as you describe it, and the increasing madness of the GOP.

I made two predictions here a few months ago which upset a few readers, who considered me over-pessimistic:

1. the next election campaign will be the most vicious and shocking of our lives;

2. in the fall, at the height of the campaign, there will be massive civil unrest on Hong Kong levels not seen in the US since 1968 as the extent of electoral cheating fraud becomes apparent.

I stand by these two predictions, but I am still hopeful Trump will be ousted. I believe he will call on the military to keep him in office after he has been defeated despite massive cheating and Russian intervention. That is why he has begun to pardon military outlaws and he intends to use them prominently in the campaign. I am still hopeful the generals will protect the Constitution but it will be a close call.

Saturn will be conjunct US Pluto during the election and Jupiter will be conjunct tr Pluto, all in Capricorn, and all opposite US Mercury and Trump’s Venus-Saturn conjunction. Tr Mars, Mercury and Venus will square them all. Mars will be retrograde in Aries. The tension will be unbearable and signals historic events.

It will end in the short term as a triumph for conservatism and the need for stability, which means only an elder, middle-of-the road male can win for the Democrats. Although I prefer Warren and Sanders, if it has to be Biden or Bloomberg, so be it. Whoever wins, it will be a troubled and agitated term because there will be a world recession among other things during the US Pluto return and Neptune semi-return. However, I am confident Democrats will take back the Senate (perhaps by a single seat) and strengthen their support in 2020, as well as in the mid-terms in 2022.

The healing really begins in 2024 with a new President once the right-wing extremism has faded after the Pluto return.

In early 2020, Trump’s likely acquittal in the Senate will only fan the flames for the rest of the year and make some progressives regret the Democratic impeachment. Still, it was the right thing to do under difficult circumstances.

If Trump were to resign or be removed from office, he would probably regain the Republican nomination, and be more vengeful and unstable than ever.

My astrological knowledge does not approach your considerable expertise, but both intuitively and astrologically I concur with your assessment. All my life I’ve been plagued with entirely too many visions, too much foreknowledge. I’ve seen what you describe for a very, very long time. It nevertheless deeply saddens me, such suffering might be necessary to enable our self-transcendance as a nation, as a species, and as individuals.

Thank You for your considerable insight. I very much appreciate your postings here.

>>>It would be great if we could promulgate an >>>alternative biblical prophecy myth portraying >>>Trump as the “great betrayer”.

That’s the Mark of the Beast, Biblical end-times prophecy. The mark is 666. If anyone finds a connection between that number and Trump … Well, he fits the description with a scary accuracy.

He will appear as a savior and fool the world into believing in and following him, and lead us down the road to ruin.

Tell me that isn’t Trump. (And I say this not as someone who takes the Bible as truth.)

With permission from Lorna Bevan:

“Combined with the start of the United States karmic Pluto Return—the first since 1776 and the Founding
Fathers – there will be many markers in national and global history. Not only will Pluto be making its karmic
return in America’s chart in the 2020s, so will Uranus – and Neptune will be opposing its natal position. This
indicates that a great American crisis, another “hinge of history” comparable to the Revolution, the Civil
War, and World War II, is due in the middle 2020s. In 2024 Pluto will enter Aquarius for the first time since
1778 and the Aquarian Age can be said to begin.”

My astrological knowledge does not approach your considerable expertise, but both intuitively and astrologically I concur with your assessment. All my life I’ve been plagued with entirely too many visions, too much foreknowledge. I’ve seen what you describe for a very, very long time. It nevertheless deeply saddens me, such suffering might be necessary to enable our self-transcendance as a nation, as a species, and as individuals.

Thank You for your considerable insight. I very much appreciate your postings here.

Eliseo, thank you.

This supports my last post:


The article says the military is divided. Half are ardent Trump supporters, but the generals appear to oppose him.

Andre, it may be a darned good thing that Mars will be retrograde in Aries – slow things down, reassess, reconsider. Sometimes dragging anchor is the best approach.

My books on the astrology of death are in my storage unit where I have slightly less than 12,000 books on various subjects. Finding the right box might be daunting. Although I’m certainly no expert on the subject of death astrology, I strongly intuit the Dem who wins the presidency in 2020 will likely die in office.

Also, all indications, consistent with the CNN article, are that the top brass at the Pentagon are pretty uniformly frustrated and alarmed at DJT. They won’t support him if he loses the election and insists the election was rigged and that he actually won.

Teresa Hill,
I concur, but Religious Right adherents don’t want to admit they were duped. Besides, in their view we, not them are the foolish sinners who might follow an AntiChrist.

I thank all of you for being in and enriching my life.


“You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness.” from Exodus is particularly relevant.

The whole selection is very pertinent and tres marvellous, oui?

Starlight, David, kiwi, SharonK, Fierywoman, emma, Jackson, Jerry, ja, angellight, barbk, Eliseo, Lamis, Teresa Hill, bob, Fe, arbo, (Judith, I know you’re still with us), Beouwulfie, Faris, slightk, Professor and all ‘yall,

I am grateful to all of you for making me more aware and wiser. Shine on, Dear Starlighters; shine on!

Will, same back to you!
And also many thanks to all here who post and to those who lurk. To All of you, Happy Thanksgiving!

Dear Starlighters,

I’m up early. A lot of hustling and cooking to do.

I want to take a quiet moment to wish all of us and the whole nation a grace-filled Thanksgiving.

Good Morning and Happy Thanksgiving to you all today.

Check out Elisabeth Grace’s new site.


Happy Thanksgiving to all. May the day being delight, peace and really good food.

Happy, healthy and blessed Thanksgiving to all of you especially BarbK. We want to hear from you, Barb.

Starlight, a special thanks to you!

Beowulfie, the problem with Mars retrograde in Aries next fall is that it will square Pluto three times.

Eliseo, I am not familiar with the astrology of death for Presidents, other than to say that Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions in air signs every twenty years traditionally brought a President’s demise while in office. This worked from about 1840 until Reagan who was shot but survived. The curse didn’t apply to the last conjunction in 2000 in an Earth sign. Now we are back to an Air sign in 2020 (for the only time this century, I think) so it may happen. In addition, the term chart in 2021 has a Mars-Uranus conjunction in the 12th, which could mean a sudden departure. It is likely we will get a President in his or her 70s (Trump, Biden, Warren, Bloomberg or Sanders), so it is possible.

On a more cheerful note, I wish you Americans (Starlight, Will, Eliseo, Beowulfie, and others too many to mention) a very happy Thanksgiving. For some reason, we Canadians celebrate Thanksgiving the first Monday in October (to avoid the first winter storm, I guess). I grew up eating turkey, cranberry sauce and pumpkin pie at that time. And happy shopping, too, but don’t over-indulge.

Thank you to everyone who stops in here for the lovely & loving Thanksgiving wishes. I send the same beautiful thoughts back to you of peace, love, and gratitude. Enjoy the holiday weekend everyone. Rest, relax, choose to be positive.

Also thinking of Barb and wishing her well. I know she has had computer problems before so my guess is that this is what may be happening & I hope she rejoins us soon.

For some reason, in thinking that the word Ukraine reminded me of Uranus, I looked up Ukraine’s natal chart and it is pretty interesting. Lots of planets in Aquarius, Leo and Capricorn and many associations with the U.S.’s planets.


I really do not want to talk about this, yet I think I should mention David Johnson’s post of the 28th re: djt’s mental state and behavior–very frightening.


It’s interesting to me that Jupiter, Venus, Mercury and the Sun cluster around the Orange Blob’s natal ascendant.

Happy ThanksGiving Blessings to All! Hope all had a wonderful, loving and grateful day,

An alien comet from another star is soaring through our solar system!


“According to scientific authorities and cosmologists this is only the second know comet to come into our solar system from another system.
It has been proven by the New Electric Universe Theory that asteroids and comets are not merely composed of metal, ice, rock and gas as conventional science indicates but veil powerful magnetic and electrical forces as well. Esotericism teaches that asteroids and comets are the physical bodies of spiritual entities and that these entities can bring new and dynamic influences into our Solar System. When speaking of hidden etheric planets in our solar system of which there are many, the Master DK has this to say on the subject of asteroids: “Figures also must be computed when the effect upon the planets of what are called “asteroids” is known. This is much greater than exoteric science has so far admitted, but the significance of this must eventually be interpreted in terms of energy and on etheric levels.” (TCF 795)”

Duane Carpenter FB Page

Ivanka Trump’s Chinese-manufactured voting machines have been installed in 18 states.

Happy Thanksgiving!


Deutsche bank executive who signed off on Trump loans commits suicide

Thomas Bowers died on November 19 in his home in Malibu, California
The 55-year-old banker is survived by his three adult children
His wife Abby died in 2017 from unknown causes
Bowers left Deutsche Bank in 2015 but had overseen Trump’s private banker, Roemary Vrablic
Deutsche gave Trump $2billion over a period of several decades before he became president
The loans have come under congressional committee investigation

https://mol.im/a/7735543 via @MailOnline

angellight – without accurate sourcing for voting machine story, it falls in the catagory of scary gossip. Snopes has nothing on this story, nor can I find anything else substantive since 16 trademark applications were lodged/approved in china ages ago.
For starters, I would want to know what specific states were implicated. Beware of bots etc trying to stir outrage on both ends of the spectrum.

Is anyone else becoming annoyed with the ubiquitous “Black Friday” meme?
How about replacing it with “Thankful Friday”
– pass it on

Kiwi, Amen to both of your posts above. Angellight, I know you mean well but this isn’t the first time you’ve posted info with questionable sources. It serves no good purpose. We get enough to of that from DT and Kellyanne Conway?

kiwi, Banks,

Hear, hear.

Hey, wait a minute, don’t shoot the messenger (Angellight) – she reposted a tweet. She didn’t make a judgement!

Angellight – we love you & your wonderful posts. We just can’t always know with every single thing we post.

Sharon, not trying to shoot the messenger, just asking that a little care be taken before reposting unsourced links as fact.
I appreciate many of angellights posts, but I absolutely think we all need to be supervigilant regarding truth in these times.

I just google “Ivanka” and “Chinese voting machines” and a reuters article came up –


Yes, ThankYou.
In the 70’s & 80’s I was privileged several times to celebrate Thanksgiving twice, once in Ontario, and again in Texas.

Curiously, we see an inverse relationship in age with Bernie Sanders and the public. His most ardent and most numerous supporters are young adults, whereas his support drops off precipitously with citizens over 50.

Regarding the prospect of a socially dark 2020 post election period, I see the greatest freakout and potential for violence if our beloved Bernie Sanders won the presidency in 2020. He is our oldest, and potentially most likely (as far as we know) to meet his demise while serving as potus.

Sharon, I did find that article earlier and noticed it was now just over a year old. I have been unable to find any recent updated articles.

Her china sanctioned trademark branding applications were filed in 2016. To me, the issue alludes more to her (or trump family) possibly heading off china sales for knock offs, or china or trumps making deals with existing machine manufacturers? Hard to know without seeing the actual trademark wording.

PS – trademark is about sales branding, vs patent which would be related more to manufacturing design hardware or intellectual property.

I think the simple remedy is for voters in every state to demand their state employ a manual system option

In retrospect, I think I need to clarify the meaning in the last paragraph of my most recent posting. The violence I was referring to would be post-election, a scenario in which Bernie wins, Trump declares the election illegitimate, and his armed followers take to the streets to (in their minds) prevent a coup.
Of course, that might happen if any of the Dems win. It’s just that certain capitalist powers might freak out all the more if Bernie actually won.

I did not mean to imply anyone might attempt to assassinate Bernie, were he to become president.

Banks and ja and all, like Sharon said it was a dead computer, during a Mercury Retrograde (not a good time to buy a new one)+ the pre-pre Black Friday sales rush, not to mention Thanksgiving, that has delayed me access to my favorite people. Like emma said, “I thank all of you for being in and enriching my life.”

Not that 2 weeks of not focusing on Trump hasn’t been beneficial; au contraire, it has restored some balance sorely missed in my life. I’ll be catching up on all the details for the next couple of days, including weeding out 85% of the 200+ emails that have accumulated during my absence.

I’ve been keeping notes on the astro signatures of the last 12 or so days though and would point out that on November 19th the Vindman-Williams testimonies had transiting Jupiter at 27+ Sagittarius conjunct the Galactic Core, both of which oppose the US Constitution chart’s Jupiter (25+ Gemini) and Juno (lesser partner such as Vindman and Williams)) at 27+ Gemini (testimony). Oppositions always carry the Full Moon signature of shining light on a specific thing that needs to be examined.

This whole Impeachment/Trump/Russia thing is part of a greater process that is aiming to make the citizens of the US become more aware of the necessity of their personal participation in the grand experiment of democracy – if it is to survive.

In the chart of the Tuesday, Nov. 26th New Moon at 4+ Sagittarius, the New Moon is at the apex of a Yod with transiting Uranus (breakthrough) in Taurus and the US natal Venus (US values) in Cancer. This New Moon is being forced to adjust.

That Uranus is also trine transiting Ceres (mother nature) in Capricorn (opposite US natal Venus) who is sextile transiting Mars (violence) in Scorpio, which trines US natal Venus. Pretty sure this is about the wild weather which can affect one’s values.

There is also a grand trine in this NM chart between Neptune in Pisces, Mercury in Scorpio and the US natal Sun in Cancer, which is also conjunct the descendant (the other, or partner or open enemy) of this chart when set in DC. This could be about the Dems Impeachment probe focusing on the relationship that US has with Ukraine and Russia. (The New Moon is in Sagittarius, foreign countries)

It all boils down to a lesson in what it means to be a citizen of this country. Do we, as a whole, love it enough to defend its principles or are we too busy for all that voting stuff. The US Mercury opposite the US Pluto – AND transiting Saturn and Pluto – is making it an inescapable in-your-face education of the masses. One year to go and we will see.

Lovely to see your name Barbk -we all missed you. Relieved to learn it was nothing more serious than a computer 🙂

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.

Together, we survived another year of the Great Orange Menace! Holding onto a lot of hope that he’ll be done in January.

Happy to hear from barbk!


What kiwi said at 8:33PM

Teresa Hill;

We can hope.


Bernie had the majority support of 45 and younger in the 2016 cycle and so here we are 4 years later and this time all those people are now 4 years older so that would increase to 18-49 as well the then 14-17 year old teenagers are now 18-21 year old who are the most progressive generation yet. Now that millennials outnumber the boomer, if they come out to vote which they did in 2018 doubling their turnout from 2014, they will get their candidate elected. It’s all going to come down to turnout.

-“The three younger generations – those ages 18 to 53 in 2018 – reported casting 62.2 million votes, compared with 60.1 million cast by Baby Boomers and older generations.”


*If anyone is curious about the state of identity politics in 2019 and it’s relevance; Bernie Sanders, a 77 year old Jewish man held a rally at Morehouse College to cheering students and Deval Patrick, twice elected African American governor had to cancel his first campaign event scheduled there due to only 2 people showing up.

For the 50 and younger generations it’s all about one things.. policy positions. Where do you stand on the policies and deeply do I believe you won’t sell us out once elected.

This blog belongs to Nancy and we should let Nancy “police” it if she so chooses.

Kiwi, Banks, and Will, by all means express a counter point, but there is no need to tear someone down. Banks, your words were a little too harsh.

Sharon K, the core group on this blog have no problem “shooting messengers” or making their inside jokes for those not part of their group (“tee hee”).

Many good people have left this blog in the past. Many more will continue to leave.


You are of two minds. Project much?

BarbK, I’m m so glad to see that you are back and that it was only a computer issue that kept you away. You are a strong voice of reason here and I appreciate the positive and I think spiritual approach you take to interpreting Astrology.

sassy, lets not pile on. Im thankful for all, just trying to elevate the conversation. Thats what the bots aim for, division and discord.


“Many good people have left this blog in the past. Many more will continue to leave.”

Hmmm; that rings with a rather a hostile, threatening tone. I shouldn’t think you should worry about Starlightnews; suffice it to say, it is probably the most vibrant, talented and tolerant astrology blog anywhere.

will, lets not pile on ….


Not piling on, truly – but thank you for the friendly caveat. I am stating my own truth.

I’m still posting from my phone. I hope to get my computer situation straightened out soon.

I agree. I think it is quite possible Bernie will win the Dem nomination and the presidency as well. An increasing number of younger voters are unafraid of the word “socialism” but many older voters remain paranoid of the word. But I think E. Warren or J. Biden could conceivably gain the nomination as well.

Socialism has been such a forbidden topic, most Americans have no decent understanding of what the word really means. I find it ironic how tame Bernie’s proposals are. He’s really more of an FDR style social Democrat than a real Dem. Socialist. But most have no idea there are many different varieties of socialism. But 50 years from now both “capitalism” and “socialism” as scholars understand them may have been swept into the dustbin of history.

I’m thankful you are OK, that your absence was merely a computer problem. My father was the kindest man I’ve ever known. As he used to say, I say to you. “Be well as you can be for as lo——ng as you can.”


I wrote an editorial in support of Bernie, spelling out that differentiation as well as a common sense explanation of his policies. I’d like to share it with you when your up and running.. I’d be interested in your thoughts.
I said it in here perhaps a year ago or so that we need to decide if we are FDR democrats or not and AOC said the exact same thing recently. “It’s just that certain capitalist powers might freak out all the more if Bernie actually won.” – I think that those capitalist powers understand that Bernie is an FDR style social democrat, but it serves their purposes to let the fear mongering echo on.

There is a lot of fear of the word “Socialism” in the older generations and quite frankly some frustration of supporters (or maybe it’s just me lol) of Bernie that he labels himself that when in fact he looks to Scandinavian countries as the model and they are Social Democracies. I truly believe that all the polices that Bernie is proposing as well as a complete restructure and strengthening of our democracy will in fact happen and that it is the future of our politics, given what the younger generations envision. Whether that starts with Bernie winning in 2020 is honestly, i feel truly in the hands of those generations. I think if anything has been learned these last 3 years, it’s that democracies require participation.
Andrew Yang said in an interview when asked about Capitalism and Socialism, that he felt they were tired and worn out terms. I couldn’t agree with you both more.

Kim Carey has a new video out on Intuitiview YouTube. I found it encouraging concerning Nunes, Guilliani, Trump, etc.

Barb! So glad to see you here again and that it was a computer problem, as frustrating as that can be (and hopefully not costly).

Socialism is such a loaded word. We have an immense deficit right now. Obama reversed the Bush tax cuts, Elizabeth Warren is talking about a wealth tax. There are people who will oppose socialism and identify it with the conditions in communist countries, and there are wealthy, powerful people who do not want a wealth tax. I see it as a messy situation. At one time the South voted with the Democrats; now there are many who vote with the Republicans, thanks to religion and related social issues. I don’t see going in an overtly socialist direction as easy or helping the Democrats in the long run. Anything changes toward socialism might be better done in steps and stages so they are comfortable for people to absorb.

By the long run, I mean the short-term long run. I don’t claim to know very much but these are my impressions. Medicare seems to work but that might be because people can buy the supplementary plans. Private insurance companies help support the Medicare system. However, without a private insurance option, as there is now, they may have to be restructured and downsized. Not sure how that will play out. I do know that hospitals have done a lot better under Obamacare – as they were in trouble financially. I worked in an academic-medical institution for 20 years & saw what changes in Medicare or Medicaid did to the system. They have to be done in a way that keeps things stable enough. It is just not that easy in reality.

I generally agree with most of Bernie’s economic plans. I disagree with him on foreign policy, energy policy, and a number of other things. Unless we completely lose our democracy to Trumpist fascism, I believe most of Bernie’s ideas are inevitable.
I very much look forward to your thoughts! I’ll let you know when I’m set up again computer-wise.


That will be great, I look forward to it as well 🙂

When I started learning what astrology was about, in 1976, all I was interested in was the understanding of personalities; why people gravitated to certain interests and people; what made them angry, what made them tick. I knew nothing about “progressions” at that time.

Time does indeed march on, and why is that? It would be more than 20 years later before I discovered the influences revealed within the cycles of pairs of planets – and individual planet cycles too – and much later I would begin to believe there was actually a Plan! A Plan for Humanity that required growth on Humanity’s part, a continuous move toward mass consciousness growth.

I’m not privy to the “why” this is happening and can only guess as to the “how” it is happening and that is thanks to the patterns seen in charts for cycles between the outermost planets, with specific details revealed between the personal planets (Venus, Mercury, Mars) cycles to each other and with the connections they make with the transits of Jupiter outward to Pluto.

It is far beyond my own comprehension at this time but I believe channels of “understanding” are opening to all of us, most utilized would be that of what Experience teaches us. We are being “readied” for something big.

Take for example what happened to the US in 2016. The Solar Return (birthday chart) for the US that year had a square aspect (challenge) between Saturn (10+ Sagittarius) and Neptune (11+ Pisces). The cycle between these two, Saturn and Neptune, had begun in 1989 at 11+ Capricorn, so the 2016 US Solar Return chart’s Saturn and Neptune were aspecting each other AND their own cycle’s start degree, promising somehow to influence the US that year. Their square said it would be challenging.

In the chart for the 1989 conjunction between trans. Saturn and Neptune had centaur Nessus (associated with power abuse) conjunct the US natal Neptune at 22+ Virgo, and centaur Pholus (associated with a minor situation turning into a huge brawl) conjunct the US natal Uranus at 8+ Gemini.

We associate Neptune with a departure from reality, and the US Neptune is no different. Uranus in turn is associated with disruption of the status-quo. Donald Trump was elected President of the US in 2016, both a departure from reality and disruption of the status quo.

So then, the US in 2016 had a link to the 1989 Saturn-Neptune cycle, and if I am correct, it was meant to further the US mass consciousness, and so far that seems to be working. We have become conscious (as a whole) of corruption in government and much more. We have experienced it. This experience is opening channels of understanding that is leading us to a new, higher level of consciousness for a reason. If I’m right there is a Plan that requires this greater awareness.

In 1989 at the time of the Saturn-Neptune cycle start, transiting Uranus was at 4+ Capricorn and earlier this month, November 2019, transiting Uranus at 4+ Taurus was trine (ease) its 1989 position (4+ Cap) in the Saturn-Neptune cycle-start chart.

Transiting Uranus (symbol of breakthroughs) will again reach 4+ Taurus in March, 2020, trining it’s own position in the Saturn-Neptune cycle, just as transiting Mars (a personal planet) begins new cycles with (1) trans. Jupiter, (2) trans. Pluto and (3) trans. Saturn. These 3 Mars cycles will affect us personally over the next 2 years. All of them will have trans. Uranus trine the Uranus in the 1989 Saturn-Neptune cycle start.

To me that reads as startling changes in various routines, though not necessarily unwelcome. They will be part of the overall plan to awaken, if you will, the masses, not just in the US, but the whole world.

In 1989 the Berlin wall began to be torn down. In 1989 there were protests in Tiananmen square. I think transiting Uranus might re-awaken these kinds of rebellion.

In March, 2020, trans. Saturn makes his 1st move into Aquarius which could trigger these feelings. Before trans. Saturn and transiting Jupiter are conjunct at 0+ Aquarius in December, 2020, transiting Mars and transiting Saturn will be conjunct at 0+ Aquarius on March 31, 2020.

If there is indeed a Plan (by those in much higher realms of consciousness than we Earthlings) then it could be associated with equality and freedom as well as the healing of our planet, among other things. I truly feel we are being led toward that, despite the horrors of the present times. It’s just that we can’t learn it (become conscious of it) all at once, just like it’s taken me over 40 years to get the hang of “progressions” and I’ve still got a long way to go.

A Majority of Republicans Say Trump is Better President Than Lincoln (according to a new Economist/YouGov poll)


How to explain this mind-set? A friend of mine casually explained it in a few words………

“Trump represents pure, unrestrained power to his followers, He seems unstoppable. He is a womanizer, He breaks rules. He says what he feels, does what he feels. He is the bully, the bad boy and to those he attracts, they secretly desire to be like him. Basically he taps into the darker, more brutal sides of our nature. It’s a vicarious experience.”

This speech of Maryanne Williamson’s deserves to be heard and shared.


Thank you Rebecca for posting Marianne Williamson’s
Visionary Statement; I am sharing it on my Facebook page.

“Political Visionary Statement” should read.


“He seems unstoppable. He is a womanizer, He breaks rules. He says what he feels, does what he feels. He is the bully, the bad boy and to those he attracts, they secretly desire to be like him.”


Rebecca, thanks for sharing Marianne’s speech. Everything she says is right on target, but I fear not enough people are yet ready to hear her wisdom

After months of discussion here and elsewhere, with no way to know who will actually go up against Trump and Pence (assuming), I thought I’d try an experiment to see what the stars say about the strengths of the Dem candidates relative to T&P, and compared among themselves.

The birthdates and places are known, so it is easy to tally some basic astrological “data” to see who comes out the strongest. Here is the “method” (if you can call it that) and the results, which are quite unexpected for a few Dems.

First, the “method” is based on the link posted by Jennifer on Nov. 4th and Ja on Nov. 11, which is an article by Michael O’Reilly on Neptune Café. It gives an analysis of the astrology of US presidents.

In deference to Michael O’Reilly, I used his Scorpio rising chart. The planets are the same as the chart Nancy uses, except for the Ascendant and Midheaven (which I did not weight heavily). I focused on the candidates’ major planets relative to the US chart, not the angles.

The birth dates for all the candidates are known, but the times are not, so I used noon for all of them to keep things equal. I ran a chart for each candidate, picked out the following information and entered it into a basic spreadsheet.

I weighted some information more heavily than the rest because Michael O’Reilly said it was more important. The aspects used are only the classic ones: conjunction,opposition, square, trine and sextile. The planets used are only the 10 key ones (no asteroids, nodes, etc.) – a few may be counted twice in the tally, but it is the same method for everyone. I included only the Dem candidates who qualified for the last debate, plus Bloomberg, who will undoubtedly qualify for the next one. I didn’t score age, sex or ethnicity as it makes too many categories and because there is no way to know which way the score would go for the population.

The 10 categories are (candidate planets to US planets):

Candidate’s Mars in sign Leo or Scorpio: 4 points (each)
Candidate’s Sun in sign Aquarius or Scorpio: 4 points
# classic aspects from candidate planets to US Moon (25 Aquarius): 3 points
# classic aspects to US Mars (21 Gemini): 2 points
# classic aspects to US Ascendant (8 Scorpio), or MC (16 Leo): 2 points
# of conjunctions to US Sun (13 Cancer): 2 points
# of trines, any 10 planets to 10 US planets: 2 points (ease of getting things done, support)
# planets in fixed signs (strength of mind, able to withstand pressures): 1 point
# planets in own sign (final dispositors, aid to decisiveness, confidence): 1 point
# planets in air signs (communication with people): 1 point

The “electability” scores of the candidates were (in order of strength):

Donald Trump: 44
Mike Pence: 54
Total: 98

Michael Bloomberg: 57
Pete Buttigieg: 53
Joe Biden: 46
Kamala Harris: 46
Bernie Sanders: 44
Tom Steyer: 42
Andrew Yang: 42
Tulsi Gabbard: 38
Cory Booker: 34
Amy Klobuchar: 31
Elizabeth Warren: 23

If you use the top 3 scores to arrive at various tickets for Pres/VP (Bloomberg, Buttigieg or Biden/Harris, but not Biden plus Harris), the score comes out a little higher or equal to the Trump/Pence ticket. Theoretically, the highest ticket could win the election based on the “star” electability tally. Any other Dem combinations would lose. It’s too close for comfort!

The surprise is the low score is for Warren – I did not see that coming (but she is fading in polls). Also, Trump’s score is not high, but combined with Pence, it is the ticket to beat (which reflects the way it has worked in the WH – Trump on the rampage while Pence keeps his mouth shut publically and holds the Repub fort, as well as keeping the military on side).

Now we wait 12 more months to see if a crude chart tally like this one can have some validity – or is worse than useless!


Thank you for all of your work and interesting results.

If these numbers prove valid, it ismost likely that 45 will be going nowhere soon.

Correction re. the aspects to Sun – it is the other way around – it is the candidate’s Sun that is receiving aspects from the US chart. The idea being that the more connections of the Sun to the US chart, the more likely the person will be noted (in the US).

Thanks Will – it was fun to do. No idea whether it will have any meaning, of course, as who knows who the Dems will choose for the party’s candidates!

Regarding that December 5th (12 noon) Supreme Court deadline……

Last week, the high court had issued a ten day temporary hold on the release of Trump’s tax returns that would allow Trump’s lawyers to file an appeal, arguing against the release of the documents. The court gave the president’s legal team until Dec. 5 to file its petition for a full briefing and hearing by the Court. The President’s legal arguments are viewed as weak.

AND to complicate matters, the astrological aspects indicate the presidents legal standing may not be in a favorable position. The December 5th chart (12 noon Washington DC) has Mars at 10 Scorpio in sesqui-square to Neptune (15 Pisces). Both planets are in harsh aspect to Trump’s natal Pluto (10 Leo). This will all be leading up to the Dec 12th Full Moon. As mentioned in an earlier post, this full moon could be a game changer. To reinforce the difficulties Trump may be facing in the next couple of weeks here is one Tarot card reader that fills in the details……..

Donald Trump December Forecast

Metaphysical Cafe with Grace Gezant

We might as well just strap in for a wild ride ahead in December. Trumps tax returns are coming out and that will be the end of the illusions. Pence and others will also be implicated.

Video 17 min 19 sec


If Donald Trump is removed from office, the prospect of Nancy Pelosi; speaker of the house taking over the reins of presidential power (whenever that takes place); must be very empowering for women. For after all, lest we forget, if there were no illegalities in the 2016 election, Hillary Clinton would have been our first woman elected president. Women achieving recognition in their own right, reminds me of the newly released film here in India entitled The Warrior – The Queen of Jhansi.

Here is a brief bio…

THE WARRIOR QUEEN OF JHANSI tells the true historical story of the Rani (translation: Queen) of Jhansi, a feminist icon in India and a fearless, freedom fighter – a real-life Wonder Woman who earned a reputation as the Joan of Arc of the East when in 1857 India, as a 24-year old General, she led her people into battle against the British Empire. Her insurrection shifted the balance of power in the region and set in motion the demise of the notorious British East India Company and the beginning of the British Raj under Queen Victoria.

Video Trailer: 1 min 49 sec


Further to my posts above, I thought I’d enter the results for Bill & Hillary Clinton into the spreadsheet. Bill would score 52 and Hillary would score 55!

It goes to show that a score on something this simple guarantees nothing – especially since Hillary’s score of 55 topped Trump’s 44 and he won anyway.

Candidate aspects to US Jupiter would make a difference too (and the list goes on: too much ‘data’).

Many factors are mixed in action, as well as in the astrology – proves that predicting anything is a tough game. Who knows what will happen at the Dem convention, and in the vote counts (being the popular vote and the final one by the US electoral college). It’s complicated – enough of this experiment already!

A Must See

Trump – An American Dream

Dear Will,

This is quite amusing. I finally finished watching the last of The Kennedys (an 8 part 2011 mini-series starring Greg Linear, Katie Holmes and Tom Wilkinson). The finale was so deeply moving that it took me a few minutes to gain my composure. And then absent-mindedly I switched over to Starlightnews to see what was going on over there. I noticed your recommendation and proceeded to click on to the “Trump – An American Dream” trailer to see what it was all about. The series indeed looks intriguing, but the contrast to The Kennedys was so stark and dramatic that I wondered if it was at all possible to sit through any of it. I might have to watch it in increments (apparently there’s 4 episode?).

PS I forgot to include the trailer to The Kennedys. Here it is……



This was fascinating to read. Very surprised by EW results.

“This first Sunday in Advent we light the candle of Hope.”

“Sunday, Dec. 1, is the first day of Advent–four weeks of preparation for the birth of the new light, Winter Solstice. (This year, the solstice begins the Festival of the New Group of World Servers.) Everywhere on Sunday evening, people light the first Advent wreath candle, signifying light kindled in the darkness of (and of this Kali Yuga time).”

“As light shines in the darkness and the darkness can not extinguish the light, so the candle of Hope represents the hope we have in Jesus. Especially during Advent, we look forward to his coming. We look forward to when he will finally right all the wrongs, when we will live in peace with one another.”

(If so attuned, light a candle of hope today.)

A Pennsylvania County’s Election Day Nightmare Underscores Voting Machine Concerns


Elisabeth Grace:

” Saturn and Pluto are already in Capricorn — reflecting the streamlining of authority, power and resources in the extreme. And by “streamlining” I mean “in the hands of the few.” However, Saturn will not be in Capricorn for all of 2020. It dips briefly into Aquarius on March 22nd — just after the Vernal Equinox and stays there until July 2nd. It retrogrades back into Capricorn, returning to Aquarius on December 17th, remaining there until March 2023.”


BarbK, there is a plan and its up to us as to how and when that plan plays out. While reading your post I kept thinking of The Age of Aquarius.

Gary Zukav wrote about our becoming multi-sensory and the transformation of human consciousness. Spiritual teachers have predicted a shift in consciousness and Ascension to the 4th Dimension.

I really appreciate your coming at this through astrology.

Angellight, thanks for posting the article about Northhampton County in PA. I live in Chester County, PA, which is traditionally Red but turning blue. In the borough where I live we still have paper ballots. They work very well. Too bad we’ve tried to fix a problem that probably wasn’t there.

BarbK, you might want to look at onenessofall.com for some affirmation of that plan you believe in.

Lorna Bevan:

“Prepare to be reminded of the awe, power and majesty of the extraordinary movement of the planets
across the heavens, wheeling in complex patterns of incomprehensible vastness around us. The unknown
field of our own transformation.
This is the transition from the political and corporate Capricorn, driven by Pluto and Saturn to the social
and humanitarian Aquarius, animated by Jupiter and Saturn.

Combined with the start of the United States karmic Pluto Return—the first since 1776 and the Founding
Fathers – there will be many markers in national and global history. Not only will Pluto be making its karmic
return in America’s chart in the 2020s, so will Uranus – and Neptune will be opposing its natal position. This
indicates that a great American crisis, another “hinge of history” comparable to the Revolution, the Civil
War, and World War II, is due in the middle 2020s. In 2024 Pluto will enter Aquarius for the first time since
1778 and the Aquarian Age can be said to begin.
2020 is also the start of a new numerological decade – the 20s. We have the most to learn from the 10-
year-long cycle of 10 energy as it draws to a close. Competition was the nature of the masculine 1000s, but
in the feminine 2000s, we’ll begin to see the insanity of striving to be #1. The age of contest and war is
what we are evolving away from. 2 seeks equality, peace, and balance – not control; cooperation – not
competition. 02/02/2020 marks both an end to the 22-year evolutionary phase awakening humanity has
been engaged in since 1999, and a beginning, in terms of being an initiation point for a sweeping new
evolutionary trajectory for the coming millennia.
But keep in mind that the future is in our own hands. Quantum Uncertainty says the future is not
determined until it’s happened. So Instead of buying into either the usual utopian or dystopian projections
of the future when we’re either living in heaven on earth with angel wings or we’re all toast, don’t expect it
to be perfect and get comfortable with the mystery, with What Is.
2020 is going to be an epochal year of huge Cycle Convergence. It is a watershed year – a Radical
Reset, Reboot + Recalibrate – changing our collective trajectory as we step into the decade of the
Great Transformation between 2020-30.
2020 Trajectory
Saturn/Pluto Conj. —————————-Jupiter/Pluto Conj. ————————— Jupiter/Saturn Conj.
January March-November December

E: lorna@hareinthemoonastrology.co.uk

Bless you Banks! Thank you for your recommendation and the link too. Oprah Winfrey says she read Zukov’s book about intention in 1989, the year of the Saturn-Neptune cycle start. Amazing how it all fits together.

As I mentioned earlier, the 1989 Saturn-Neptune chart Uranus was at 4+ Capricorn. It was sextile the same chart’s Venus and the North Node at 4+ Pisces. This sextile, when paired with the US natal chart’s North Node at 6+ Leo, it becomes a Yod and by adding the US natal South Node at 6+ Aquarius and US natal Pholus at 6+ Aquarius the Yod becomes a Boomerang.

Transiting Venus was at 4+ Capricorn on Friday (day before yesterday) which could have set off that Yod-turned-Boomerang, activating the US North Node to “adjust” (as the apex of any Yod is wont to do), which might have then affected the US South Node+Pholus to disperse the accumulated energy of the Yod which is what the Boomerang point/planet is supposed to do.

I haven’t had much news regarding the US President or any other government officials since before Thanksgiving so maybe transiting Venus’s conjunction to that 1989 Uranus will go by unnoticed.

However, when transiting Jupiter gets there (4+ Cap) around December 20-21, or transiting Sun on December 26, there could be some action, a kind of change in direction that could also be marked by a brouhaha causing a kerfuffle, thanks to US natal Pholus. Just a heads up.

Trump going to UK this week. Wonder how Nato summit and palace dinner will go.

If Pence should assume the office of the presidency this month would he just be a figurehead instructed to sign anything “THEY” put on his desk as “THEY” try to grab everything (by law) they can before abandoning ship?

Nato meeting location Hertford, England coordinates are 51.7958° N latitude and 0.0812° W longitude; (in degrees: Longitude 51°N47′,Lat 0°.05’W).

tRump natal MC there is at 125°43′. His natal Saturn/Pluto midpoint at 125°02′ is on it.

in degrees: Longitude 51°N47?,Lat 0°.05’W).

Should read: Longitude 0°05’W and Latitude 51°47’N

His progressed chart for there and then has his progressed Saturn on the Asc and his progressed Mars/Neptune midpoint on yhe IC. My progressed anlunar chart for him then has his progressed Mars/Neptune on thE West Point (an exact 90° square to the MC).

Bob, by “they” I assume you mean Moscow Mitch and Co?

ja, many thanks for the piece from Lorna Bevan; I love how she refers to the “2000’s” as the “feminine 2000’s”.

She says that Feb. 2, 2020, marks “the end of the 22 year evolutionary phase . .” which would presumably have a start date of Feb. 2, 1998, which was very near the date trans. Neptune entered the sign of Aquarius. Do you know if she was alluding to some other event on Feb. 2, 1998?

Who else silcominc?

silcominc I answered at 7:36 pm with the exact same message as above at 9:50 pm. Beginning with that innocent post and going on for my next 7 (last at 9:12 pm) all of my posts were awaiting moderation supposedly.

That entire segment has now been deleted without explanation for either act. Who in these times does that behavior make you think of?

Our current political situation is demonstrating that there can be a condition of professionalism without the condition of I.N.T.E.G.R.I.T.Y.

If a lesson is learned, how long will it last?


Thank you for sharing the Harinthemoonastrology piece.

A wave of excitement and panic would seem to be upon us.

NewsScope for December 2, 2019
By Michael O’Reilly

The Unflappable Adam Schiff


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