A Transforming Iran

Once upon a time, before the shoot ‘em up cowboy administration of George W. Bush, there was a semblance of power balance in the Middle East, with the secular Sunni Saddam Hussein ruling Iraq and the fundamentalist Shiite ayatollahs ruling Iran. With the fall of the iron-fisted government of Saddam, Iraq’s long-suppressed Shiite majority gained precedence, while Iran quickly became the unrivaled and dominant power in that part of the world.

Historically, tension between the US and Iran escalated sharply in April 1979 due to the Islamic Revolution and its overthrow of the Shah. In November of that year, further intensifying the existing animosity and distrust, Iran took 52 Americans hostages for 444 days.

By early 1981, after the resolution of that harrowing episode, the strain between the two nations shifted to a low simmer, which continued until Bush’s conquest of Saddam. With the removal of Iraq as a regional power, however, attention was again focused on Iran as a major threat to US security. Iran’s emerging nuclear weapons program has been the central focus of this conflict, with ever-tightening economic sanctions used as a cudgel to coerce compliance with Western demands to dismantle the nuclear program.

On November 23, 2013, the first crack appeared in this ongoing, bitter struggle between Iran and the US. A tiny ray of hope emerged that will need to be nurtured and supported in order to survive amidst the controversy it has generated. Iran and 6 major powers, largely led by the US, agreed to a freeze of Iran’s nuclear program in exchange for a lessening of some sanctions for a period of six months. During this time, further negotiations are planned towards the goal of a more comprehensive nuclear pact.

The new president of Iran, Hassan Rouhani, was elected on June 15 and began his term on August 3, 2013. He had campaigned on a promise of improving relations with the West and restoring the sanctions-damaged economy. The presidency of the pro-reform Rouhani may be seen as marking a change in the trajectory of recent Iranian policy. Astrologically, Rouhani’s ascendancy is a manifestation of the Uranus/Pluto square iranaspecting the Iranian Sun (11Aries06) during 2013 and 2014. Long-building conflicts within the leadership of Iran and between the leadership and the world (Pluto square the Sun) were sparked into a sharp transformation by more progressive interests (Uranus) in the person of Rouhani and the event of the new accords.

Currently, Pluto is once again square to the Iranian Sun, waxing from November 27 through December 29. This suggests a sense of danger and anxiety and a severe power struggle over policy and control. It may be that the threat of conservatives in the US House to sabotage this agreement, as well as resistance and distrust from Israel, a close US ally, will be a part of this equation.

Of perhaps greater interest is the coming Jupiter station very near a square with the Iranian Sun from February 1 through March 26, joined by Uranus conjunct the Iranian Sun for its final crossing, from February 16 through March 9. This protracted Jupiter/Uranus square directly impacts the Iranian Sun for much of February and March 2014, and points to a period of great optimism, increased patriotism, renewed hope and a potential for progressive transformation, most likely as a result of the new accord. 

There are other planetary aspects, however, that may point to some difficulties as change (Uranus) attempts to take hold. The progressed Iranian Moon will be conjunct progressed Saturn (7Virgo05) from December 7 through mid-January, followed by the progressed Moon conjunct natal Saturn (8Virgo18) from mid-January to mid-February 2014. It is not impossible to imagine the ongoing partisan struggles in the US, signified by Pluto quincunx President Obama’s Sun (12Leo33) and opposite the US Sun (13Cancer19), endangering this accord. Furthermore, transiting Pluto will return to square the Iranian Sun from July through October 2014, potentially signaling renewed conflict within the government and heightened distrust of other nations, including the US.

Nonetheless, it seems clear that Iran will be very much in the news from February through March, with events moving at a fast pace and the potential for great transformation very much in the air. The saga of the coming two-month long Jupiter /Uranus square and the swift winds of change it portends will most definitely be casting Iran as one of the main characters.

117 comments

  1. will says:

    One can only imagine what Israel’s maneuvers might look like during the time frames you have delineated.

    Thank you, Nancy.

  2. will says:

    Nancy,

    Really loved your opening paragraph – poetic.

  3. starlight says:

    will – I am hoping that the rise in patriotism of this Jupiter station doesn’t portend aggression, following an Israeli attack. I am taking the more optimistic view, although I also worry the increased tension from Pluto opposite US Sun and conjunct Congress Sun may mean they try an impeachment over the Iran deal. Stranger things have been known to happen in Washington these days.

  4. Jerry says:

    The March 6th, 2014 Jupiter Station (10 Cancer) squares Uranus and Iran’s natal Sun (both at 11 Aries) in t square to the Israeli Neptune (10 Libra).

    The June ’67 Arab-Israeli 6 day was fought just as tr. Saturn (10 Aries) formed an opposition to the Israeli Neptune, so this particular aspect in Israel’s chart is sensitive to clandestine operations. Could there be another massive stuxnet virus attack that could potentially cripple Iran’s nuclear program computers? See related article below…….

    Saudi Arabia And Israel To Use Stronger Stuxnet Against Iran’s Nuclear Program, Source Says

    SC Magazine
    December 03, 2013

    Saudi Arabia and Israel are seeking to disrupt Iran’s nuclear program by using a computer worm more destructive than Stuxnet, according to Fars News Agency (FNA) in Iran.

    Saudi and Israeli intelligence representatives met on Nov. 24 to discuss cooperative efforts, an anonymous source close to the Saudi secret service told FNA, adding the plan needs time and at least a million dollars in funding.

    “One of the proposals raised in the meeting was the production of a malware worse than the Stuxnet…to spy on and destroy the software structure of Iran’s nuclear program,” the source said, adding it was welcomed by Saudis.

    Discovered in 2010, the Stuxnet malware is said to have been created by the US and Israel to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities.

    http://www.scmagazine.com/saudi-arabia-and-israel-to-use-stronger-stuxnet-against-irans-nuclear-program-source-says/article/323488/

  5. Francis says:

    Thanks Nancy for finally some positive developments. Although I do seem remember an article you posted many months ago in which you were concerned about war with Iran, and if I recall correctly you were looking at spring 2014. I’m wondering if you are seeing something different occuring and what that may look like?? Thank you again for your insights and for creating such a great community!!

  6. alex says:

    Domestic Business Intelligence:

    http://www.alternet.org/activism/corporate-espionage-against-progressive-nonprofits

    EXCERPT

    12 Corporate Espionage Tactics Used Against Leading Progressive Groups, Activists and Whistleblowers

    Corporate spies for Dow, Kraft and others have tried to discredit, shame and infiltrate civic groups using an array of dirty tricks.

    Compared to Europe, where some of the same corporate players—and their staff or hired guns—have landed in court, been shamed in the media and even given jail terms, spying against non-profits has flourished with little legal consequence in America. The Justice Department almost never investigates. Nor does Congress look at the practice, which clearly would be illegal with its break-ins, thefts, threats, slander and racketeering.

    “If corporate espionage is done with impunity, or near impunity, it invites more corporate espionage,” Ruskin said. “The Department of Justice needs to investigate and prosecute where warranted, and Congress needs to hold hearings.”

    The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Walmart, Monsanto, Bank of America, Dow Chemical, Kraft, Coca-Cola, Chevron, Burger King, McDonald’s, Shell, BP, BEA, Sasol, Brown & Williamson and E.ON have all been linked to espionage against non-profit organizations, activists and whistleblowers,” the report said, noting that its targets are “environmental, anti-war, public-interest, consumer, food safety, pesticide reform, nursing home reform, gun control, social justice, animal rights and arms-control groups.”

  7. Clymela says:

    Alex-re: 12 Corporate Espionage Tactics Used…..is this article referring to AlEC?
    I am continually amazed that we never refer to the US shenanigans over a length of time that resulted in the placement of the Shah of Iran on the throne and the unfolding of his evil plans. There was a reason that Iran revolted and a reason for the forming of ultra religious social groups and the forming of religion-based military.
    Now as we send Nelson Mandela to heaven with all the wise ones that went before this is a wonderful time to take his words to heart.

  8. will says:

    Starlight – you wrote:

    “…although I also worry the increased tension from Pluto opposite US Sun and conjunct Congress Sun may mean they try an impeachment over the Iran deal. although I also worry the increased tension from Pluto opposite US Sun and conjunct Congress Sun may mean they try an impeachment over the Iran deal.”

    Or could this portend a congressional approval to go to war against Iran?

    Also, although your assertion that ‘anything is possible in D.C. these days’ is far from unfathomable, I get the sense that President Obama’s knowledge of Constitutional Law would make any actions toward impeachment moot or quite unlikely. The man knows the law – as does Pelosi.

    Perhaps I am being naive. But if the president can capably navigate the gnarly narcotic nodes of Neptune over the next year or so, he will probably emerge from the storm even more seaworthy. To wit, I think the worst is behind him regarding the ACA debut.

    Color me hopeful.

  9. Francis says:

    Although I can imagine Republican extremists moving seriously on their part towrd impeaching our President I know it will blow up in their faces. Think about it, the R’s impeached the last Dem President over him lying about a bj and now they would want to impeach the next Dem President? Impeachment of Democratic Presidents by the Republican party becomes the new norm? Seriously, a big part of me wants them to try so that they can be crushed utterly, and then we can finally move our nation forward.

  10. will says:

    Francis,

    I dig what you mean. Funny!

  11. Fe says:

    Just cross-posted your piece in the comments section of my piece on the same theme, though through a different lens of the events of the past two weeks, including the Pope’s exhortation against the tyranny of capitalism and Nelson Mandela’s passing:

    http://planetwaves.net/news/by-fe-bongolan/reset/#comment-57594

    We travel on the same news stream, Ms. Starlight.

  12. pam says:

    Nancy,
    I remember back in a post during the popular up rising a few years back in Iran when everyone was so optimistic of a great transformation coming to that country you were much more chagrin about the immediate prospects suggesting that your readings of the situation were not indicating a change until 2014. Just what you are again suggesting in this excellent post.
    As always – you seem on target, and I do hope so for the Iranian people.

  13. starlight says:

    pam – I am cautiously hopeful. Uranus is never quite predictable, so really anything is possible.

    Francis – Taking things to absurd extremes until they blow up in one’s face is the essence of Pluto. But until after the blow up, things can get pretty tense.

    Fe – Thanks for the cross post and for linking us to your piece!

    Will – What I do know is there will be an intense power struggle or struggles, with each side very entrenched and greatly fearing to let go and give in. Whether this is politics taken to its fullest extreme (impeachment, government shutdown, debt crisis, etc.?) or whether it is a contest of wills with another country (brinkmanship or open hostilities?)is unknown.

  14. starlight says:

    Francis – I do not fully take war off the table. Jupiter stationary square the Sun can be very expansionistic and patriotic. But given what we have seen so far with Uranus crossing the Iranian Sun, and tying it to Rouhani and a new (Uranian) direction, we can hope for a true paradigm shift here.

  15. Sharon Katz says:

    A few months ago, I shared with you all about Marijani Satrapi’s amazing graphic novel (in several parts), “Persepolis.” She is an amazing and outspoken woman & writer who details her autobiography against the backdrop of the Iranian Revolution in her books(her family was related to Iranian royalty who predated the Shah. Her story is humorous, insightful & tragic, and she makes it obvious that the people of Iran, so hopeful when the Shah left the country (as the Cubans were when Batista left) hated the religious revolution that followed, and many either left the country, like Marji’s parents had her do, or remain and resist it in their own ways. I find it hard to belief that the Supreme Leader of Iran, the true ruler, is going to allow anything really progressive to happen. We shall see. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persepolis_(comics)

  16. Lorrie U says:

    Sharon Katz – Maybe the universe in its ultimate wisdom for progressive enlightenment may make it possible for the Supreme Leader of Iran to leave his position, who in his humanness will ultimately go the way of us all at some point in God’s time.

  17. Lorrie U says:

    Colin Powell Calls for Universal Health Care in U.S.

    “I am not an expert in health care, or Obamacare, or the Affordable Care Act, or however you choose to describe it, but I do know this: I have benefited from that kind of universal health care in my 55 years of public life,” Powell said. “And I don’t see why we can’t do what Europe is doing, what Canada is doing, what Korea is doing, what all these other places are doing.”

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/06/1260750/-Colin-Powell-Calls-for-Universal-Health-Care-in-U-S?detail=facebook

  18. Michael from nyc says:

    It’s funny thinking back to Jimmy Carter: People tend to just remember the Iran hostage crisis, but they forget the other events of the era that have echoes today. For starters that was the era of the Soviet war in Afghanistan where we backed the mujahideen and Osama bin Laden (who was also backed by Pakistan and Saudi Arabia).

    My thinking is that our relationship with Pakistan may be coming to an end, and the same with Saudi Arabia. America now makes its own oil, so the alliance with Saudi Arabia may not make any sense (it may make a great deal of sense to China or Europe). In the case of Pakistan we may be at a breaking point due to the drones, but the reality is that the military there still supports the Taliban.

    What’s also strange is that you have the Olympics returning to Russia and who could forget the American boycott over Afghanistan? It feels like some sort of cycle is coming to an end or a turning point. I also see other similar flips with nations like Vietnam which oddly enough may become a US ally.

    It was also during the Carter era that Deng Xiaoping started to come into power in China (late 1976): In retrospect the power that China has today started with his rise. 1979 was also the third Vietnam war between China and Vietnam. This was also the era that Thatcher took off in England (1979) and that the tax revolt started in California (1978) — and again you sort of see the end of that cycle with Thatcher’s recent death. And if you want to throw Israel and Egypt into the mix the Camp David accords changed everything in 1978.

    It’s funny during the late 70s it didn’t seem like anything dramatic was changing, but in reality it was a very pivotal few years looking back on it. By the way my personal bet is that sadly its only a matter of time until someone like Pakistan gives the bomb to Saudi Arabia, they’re both Sunni and there has always been Saudi money going there.

  19. SarahG says:

    If these people weren’t so sick with greed their antics would make a hilarious Wiley Coyote-type of cartoon. They are terrorists with a capital “T” trying to toss boulders off cliffs to stop progress and blow up the train tracks to the future. All I can say is…
    “Meep meep!”

    ALEC calls for penalties on ‘freerider’ homeowners in assault on clean energy
    • Documents reveal conservative group’s anti-green agenda
    • Strategy to charge people who install their own solar panels
    • Environmentalists accuse Alec of protecting utility firms’ profits

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/04/alec-freerider-homeowners-assault-clean-energy

    This is encouraging:

    ALEC facing funding crisis from donor exodus in wake of Trayvon Martin row
    • Rightwing lobby group appealing to major donors to return
    • Internal documents reveal so-called ‘Prodigal Son Project’
    • Network lost almost 400 state legislators over past two years

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/03/alec-funding-crisis-big-donors-trayvon-martin

  20. Bob says:

    The end of March is a goal deadline. If ACA enrollment numbers meet or exceed the goal The Republican party will have run out of ammunition in the heart of the primaries and within 7 months of the midterm elections. Should they try subterfuge which is unmasked or blows up in April and May (scandal) there may not be enough time left to get back in the good graces of voters before the elections.

    Because the Sun in the chart I use for the Republican party (105°38′) and the Sun for the 113th Congress (284°45′) are both involved in the April Grand Cross I think a scenario like that is certainly possible. The Congress progressed Moon at 191°33′ is also involved, retrograde Mars will conjoin it on April 28 and 29, only 1 month after what I think will be a positive evaluation of the ACA roll out.

    The 113th Congress progressed IC will be at 249°19′, it’s progressed Saturn-Pluto midpoint at 249°08′ will be there also. The Republican party progressed Saturn will be on the progressed MC, it’s progressed Neptune will be on the Desc, and its progressed Sun-Mercury midpoint will be on the IC. I think egg all over them, not just on their face.

    I do not think Republican House members will want to be involved with an impeachment process while campaigning to save their seats (and asses) by working overtime to woo minorities and women into voting for them after displaying a clear pattern of denying their interests in recent years including the then current one. As I posted elsewhere, the Tea Party is dead and now adding the Republican Party has one foot in the grave and the other planted firmly on a Banana peel.

    Charts directly involved with the April Grand Square – the 113th Congress, the Republican party natal and progressed, and the Sibly chart. Not involved – President Obama neither natal or progressed.

  21. Bob says:

    April 30, 2014, will be the 225th anniversary of George Washington’s inauguration.

  22. Bob says:

    The progressed Moon of the Presidency (Washington’s inauguration) will be at 194°00′ on April 29, conjunct Sibly Saturn and square Sibly Sun. The office of the Presidency will probably be affected but not the President himself except as the holder of the office.

  23. Kdez says:

    Word is that just the idea of sanctions being lifted is bringing excitement and hope to ordinary Iranians. I could see a surge of optimism in the form of open action and organizing under Jupiter, followed by a period of crackdown under the Pluto influence. Perhaps Rouhani will feel things are moving too fast to far towards liberation, or his enemies depose him for allowing it.

    In short, could Iran’s chart show a mostly internal struggle triggered by the lifting of sanctions, rather than conflict with another entity such as the US? Is the seventh house very stressed?

  24. Blue Raven says:

    Will
    “navigate the gnarly narcotic nodes of Neptune”
    Love it! Alliteration at its finest.

  25. Blue Raven says:

    Sarah G
    On the absurdity of the current obstructionism. I have also seen
    cartoons in my head and have actually burst out laughing. I know it is very serious but I do believe laughter is the best medicine. Theater of the Absurd indeed.

  26. will says:

    Perhaps the tension between the Congress and the Presidency will not take the form of impeachment per se, but rather an attempt at circumscribing the power of the office of the presidency in some manner. With Uranus in the mix, it could lean toward a congressional win by virtue (sic) of that body of the legislative branch being more the voice of the people based solely on representative numbers vs. the singularity of the executive office.

  27. alex says:

    Thank you Fe for posting – Orius link upthread

    Centaurus: Orius – Chiron, carrying a burden (planet waves)

    http://planetwaves.net/news/astrology-with-len-wallick/my-how-youve-grown-the-centaur-sagittarius-new-moon/.

    Chiron discovery degree @03 Taurus (orbit apx 50 years)

    Orius discovery degree @03 Scorpio (orbit apx 100 years)

    http://famous-relationships.topsynergy.com/Bill_Clinton/AstroData.asp

    Natal Bill Clinton

    Natal Chiron @18 Libra
    Natal Orius @24 Pisces
    Natal Sisyphus @26 Virgo

  28. ArtCulturePeace says:

    Aloha All,

    re: Nelson Mandela’s Passing
    A poem: His Day is Done by Dr. Maya Angelo

    “He had not been crippled by brutes…”
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/watch-maya-angelou-delivers-tribute-poem-for-nelson-mandela

    re: Israel/Saudi Arabia/Iran
    On how the US has been a willing lapdog of propagandized/illegal/unnecessary war for Israel/Saudia Arabia and on how as much of the world now begins to isolate their leadership, the war-mongering hypocrites Netanyahu and Bandar Bush+ are making alliances between themselves while US Middle East foreign policy paradigm shifts towards peacemaking/diplomacy/co-existence in the region:
    http://www.buzzfeed.com/sheerafrenkel/stung-by-iranian-nuclear-deal-netanyahu-prepares-for-fallout

    Sane peoples of all nations want peace, co-existence, prosperity, evolution for themselves and their progeny, imv. It is my deepest hope that so-called leaderships among nations begin to relentlessly reflect/represent/embody the calls from humanity for peace & prosperity for all.

    Blessings all!

  29. lisam says:

    ACP. I watched that beautiful tribute to Nelson Mandela over and over again, by my favorite contemporary poet, Maya Angelou, the way only she could deliver it, even at her advanced age.

  30. ArtCulturePeace says:

    Aloha lisam,
    So very happy to hear! Yes, Maya Angelou’s voice carries still much wisdom and power in her advancing years! E Ho’omaluhia me ka Honua! :-)

    More re: Israel/Iran Thread topic:
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/05/israeli-security-chief-conflict-threat-iran

    Also, when looking at the coming Pluto opposite US Sun; US Pluto Return, always wonder how this also impacts “w”. If we are to believe anything given us by the Bush clan, w’s chart gives him a natal sun just about at the degree (just past) of the US sun. Wondering whether earthly justice will ever demand restitution for his illegal/corporate/savage war actions+. With his natal Sun said to rest in his 12th house, wondering whether there will ever be a visible legally enforceable rebuke/judgment from the civilized world or from non-evangelical/dominionist Christians for his (and others)many illegal, unAmerican, unChristian actions after 9.ll Regardless, we-the-people have, are, will suffer from those actions of w+congress+corporations+zionists well into the future, imv.

    Karl Rove has already had Pluto conjunct his sun 3 degrees Cap.

    Limbaugh’s sun is at 21 degrees Capricorn. He will be impacted as well in future years.

    With Capricorn, among other things, representing integrity and Pluto guaranteeing transformation, it should continue to be an interesting ride for our fear-mongering, hate-spewing brothers :-)

  31. lisam says:

    This video is hoplessly OT, but in keeping with the tone of humanity and spirituality of the previous posts, I feel compelled to post it, because it is such a wonderful concept of human life, no matter what your beliefs are (I think). Hope some, if not all will enjoy it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4jjLLE6i8E&feature=youtu.be

  32. lisam says:

    Since the topic is Iran/Israel/nuclear, this story broke on NBC Nightly News recently – an eye-opener.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/.premium-1.560168

  33. lisam says:

    In case the above link doesn’t grant full access to the article, here’s another link to the same subject, but Haaretz deals with it in much more detail.
    Extract – Arnon Milchan’s double life as a Hollywood producer and Israeli spy reads like a script for a film he produced.

    After years of speculation about his past, Milchan admitted he had worked as an Israeli spy and arms dealer, even after coming to Hollywood, in a report on Israel’s investigative TV show “Uvda.” The Israeli businessman-turned-Hollywood producer behind “12 Years a Slave,” “Fight Club” and “L.A. Confidential” admitted to buying arms that were going to be used by Israel to build nuclear bombs………….
    He also admitted to using his connections in the entertainment biz to promote South Africa’s apartheid regime so the country would help Israel acquire uranium.

    http://variety.com/2013/film/news/fight-club-producer-arnon-milchan-confirms-israeli-spy-past-1200887616/

  34. Suzy says:

    Starlight…

    Thanks for your comment to me on the old thread. Much appreciated.

    I wonder if some of our President’s difficulties this week are with both he and Michelle attending Mandela’s Funeral. That’s gotta be rough given they had visited his jail just last year with their children and the memories must be powerful.

    Anyway,even the MSM seens to have worked a bit at exposing Mandela’s efforts against Apartheid and his efforts for Peace that it can’t help but be a good thing for all of us moving forward that so many young folks are being exposed to both Mandela and his message.

    “Democracy Now” has also done a wonderful two-part on Mandella that’s worth a watch if anyone missed it.

  35. starlight says:

    Suzy – Yes, I definitely think the death of Mandela has affected the president. Saturn is exactly square to his Ascendant now. Also, it is sesquiquadrate the US Venus, exact tomorrow, and we have been having widespread upset from the harsh weather.

    By the way, my talk was postponed until next Saturday due to the weather forecast.

  36. SarahG says:

    Where or where to put and keep all that money?

    Venture capitalist and Paypal co-founder Peter Thiel is inching closer towards realizing his dream of creating a government-free floating island utopia for tech startups off the coast of San Francisco. When last we checked in with Thiel and his cohort, former Google engineer and seasteading activist Patri Friedman, the idea was little more than a libertarian speech with some artist’s renderings attached. Now, riding a wave of investment capital from Thiel, the project has a website, a course to set sail, and a lineup of nearly 100 international technology companies that are ready to literally get onboard.
    The project, which is now called Blueseed, is led by a team of execs plucked from Thiel’s Seasteading Institute. Although the original plans for the floating tech village looked something like a fancy oil rig from the future, the latest plan is to either convert a cruise ship or remodel an old barge in to a swanky island anchored just outside the jurisdiction of the United States. (cont’d)
    http://sfist.com/2012/05/09/obscenely_rich_tech_folk_are_still_building_their_island_utopia_off_the_coast_of_san_francisco.php

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMsvYKU_rTo

  37. Helen says:

    Tend to forget this:

    U.S. Lionizes Mandela In Death … But Labeled Him a Terrorist While He Was Alive:

    “CIA Central In Mandela’s Arrest … Kept Him On Terrorist List Until 2008

    Everyone from President Obama to the mainstream news is lionizing Nelson Mandela.

    But the New York Times reported in 1990:

    The Central Intelligence Agency played an important role in the arrest in 1962 of Nelson Mandela, the African National Congress leader who was jailed for nearly 28 years before his release four months ago, a news report says.

    The intelligence service, using an agent inside the African National Congress, provided South African security officials with precise information about Mr. Mandela’s activities that enabled the police to arrest him, said the account by the Cox News Service.

    ***

    Newsweek reported in February that the agency was believed to have been involved.

    ***

    At the time of Mr. Mandela’s arrest in August 1962, the C.I.A. devoted more resources to penetrating the activities of nationalist groups like the African National Congress than did South Africa’s then-fledgling security service.

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/12/u-s-lionizes-mandella-death-treated-terrorist-life.html

  38. will says:

    BlueRaven,

    Glad you appreciated my taking license with alliteration.

    Suzy and Starlight,

    Saturn surely set its seal on the President; his expressed grief over Mandella’s passing was virtually palpable as he honored his legacy.

  39. starlight says:

    Mars is now in Libra, filling the 4th quarter of the cardinal cross. The first translation by Mars of the Uranus/Pluto square begins around 12/22.

  40. will says:

    And on that note, Starlight….

    “Sergei Grits/Associated Press
    Kiev Teems With Pro-Europe Protesters
    By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN and ANDREW E. KRAMER 10:42 AM ET
    The rally, which has grown for weeks and seemed to reach new heights Sunday, shows the depth of rage at Ukraine’s leader, who has few palatable options to defuse the crisis.

    http://www.nytimes.com/

  41. starlight says:

    will – My concern about Ukraine has to do with how aggressive Russia’s chart is for the immediate future. Might they decide to go in and quell the uprising?

  42. Lorrie U says:

    Film clip outlines ??Koch Brothers? propaganda attacking Social Security?. Hired actors portray Members of Congress, economists, & journalists. This will make your head spin.

    Bernie Sanders Exposes Koch Brothers & Thier Minions!!!!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwnPOYpyCc4

  43. Lorrie U says:

    Welfare Cheat: McDonalds $Billion-Plus Profit Almost Equal to Amount the Company Costs Taxpayers

    http://www.thedailycall.org/?p=51850

  44. Bob says:

    It’s just a little slushy Nancy. This is in your neck of the woods I think.

    Does Congress get snow days?

    http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1066935

    We are getting light snow here in northern Illinois now.

  45. ArtCulturePeace says:

    Aloha All,
    re: Obama/Iran
    From Dan Furst–www.hermes3.net/aug108.htm
    “Iranian men may have little choice but to get sweeter, because few people in the world will love Obama as much as Iranian women, especially in Mashhad and other parts of eastern Iran under the light blue Venus on the MC line. Here Obama’s elegance and smooth catlike grace will, in the end, be enough to outweigh a whole mountain of mullahs. It will amaze us to see how much hostility and fear can be overcome when those who had once been adversaries see that they can find beauty in the same things. Just as someone in Obama’s media team dreams of a photo op with Aung San Suu Kyi, someone in Iran is picturing the Obamas at the Blue Mosque. Wait for it.”

    Also notice that in North Korea there is an astrocartography Pluto line, signaling dangers there in terms of PBO charts.

    For further exploration/study:
    http://www.astrocartography.co.uk/ACGobama.htm

    Blessings all!

  46. ArtCulturePeace says:

    Aloha All,

    Astrocartography regional maps/charts in relation to PBO may offer insights into future events/locales during contentious times:
    http://www.hermes3.net/aug108.htm
    http://www.hermes3.net/july108a.htm

    According to the analyses of Dan Furst, PBOs biggest challenges/victories can come thru China…Certainly, PBOs natural instincts have been vocalized as his “pivot east” and away from the Middle East…PBOs mars lines thru Saudi Arabia is assisting in cutting the cords there, if that is to happen any time soon, imv.

    E Ho’omaluhia me ka Honua. Blessings all!

  47. Patty says:

    Thank you Nancy, I look forward to hearing your radio broadcast!
    Great article/comments in The UK Guardian:
    “There are now two Americas. My country is a horror show”. The creator of The Wire, David Simon, delivered an impromptu speech about the divide between rich and poor in America at the Festival of Dangerous Ideas in Sydney, and how capitalism has lost sight of its social compact.
    Interesting comments from all over the world:
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/08/david-simon-capitalism-marx-two-americas-wire?commentpage=5

  48. Gypsi says:

    For all of those that told me how the ACA would save me and I could afford health insurance thank you. I’m glad it is working for so many. But no subsidy for me, at least I won’t have to pay a fine for not making enough money for a subsidy. Just figured I’d pass this on. We needed single payer and didn’t get it.

    Good for Obama on the Iran treaty. Will read the page later. An Ice storm and the need to get money in the door are having a collision in my life. Namaste’

  49. will says:

    In your wet dreams, B.A.

  50. Gypsi says:

    Great article Starlight. Hoping for peace, treaties to hold, and fangs of right wing in congress to be extracted by the great celestial dentist. Will take what I can get. BTW, I have a post awaiting moderation. I am gradually dropping my forever email account used here as the spam has become intolerable…

  51. oxthecat says:

    I think zerohedge is the blog that typically posts anti Obama screeds. The main poster uses the pseudonym Tyler Durden. Someone on CNBC called them “a bunch of idiots who live in their mothers basements” Seems like a libertarian slant on steroids. But I guess I could be mistaken.

  52. Gypsi says:

    sounds like the bunch that gave Romney a 5 point lead…

  53. alex says:

    Women – Gender – Representation:

    http://therepresentationproject.org/

    The Representation Project is a movement that uses film and media content to expose injustices created by gender stereotypes and to shift people’s consciousness towards change.

    Interactive campaigns, strategic partnerships and education initiatives inspire individuals and communities to challenge the status quo and ultimately transform culture so everyone, regardless of gender, race, class, age, or circumstance can fulfill their potential.

    Jennifer Siebel Newsom’s film, Miss Representation, premiered to great acclaim at the Sundance Film Festival in January 2011. In response to overwhelming public demand for ongoing education and social action in support of the message of the film, Newsom founded MissRepresentation.org in April 2011. A 501(c)3 non-profit organization, MissRepresentation.org continues to highlight and challenge the limiting depictions of women in the media and our larger culture, engaging millions of people along the way.

    Even while making Miss Representation, the film, Newsom knew that exposing and challenging the gender injustices that limit girls and women in our culture was only half the story. She knew that we couldn’t move toward real cultural change without also exposing and challenging the damaging masculinity narrative that is fed to our boys and men.

    With our next two films, The Mask You Live In and The Great American Lie, not to mention the support we’ve received for them along the way, we know we are on the right track.

    In late 2013, after two and a half years, MissRepresentation.org became The Representation Project, stepping into a new name and bolder agenda, one that requires all of us working together, girls and boys, women and men, to ensure equality and justice for all.

    As an organization, The Representation Project remains true to the message of Miss Representation that limiting stereotypes harm all of us and that women deserve a seat at the table. We take that commitment forward with us, as we tackle the biases that impact our larger society.

    http://therepresentationproject.org/mission–history#sthash.7eUSaSm9.dpuf

  54. Lorrie U says:

    And B.A.typically posts anti-Obama screeds…

  55. Lorrie U says:

    Obama Faces Backlash Over New Corporate Powers In Secret Trade Deal

    One of the most controversial provisions in the talks includes new corporate empowerment language insisted upon by the U.S. government, which would allow foreign companies to challenge laws or regulations in a privately run international court. Under World Trade Organization treaties, this political power to contest government law is reserved for sovereign nations. The U.S. has endorsed some corporate political powers in prior trade agreements, including the North American Free Trade Agreement, but the scope of what laws can be challenged appears to be much broader in TPP negotiations.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/08/tpp-trade-agreement_n_4409211.html

  56. angellight says:

    Solar Angel — Eternal Friend

    “21,000,000 years ago, the Solar Angels, “Hearts of Firey Love” descended to earth offering Humanity the Gift of Salvation. They are with us still, streaming forth Their Love and Light, lifting all to a luminous spiritual destiny.”

    http://www.solinvictusuniversalis.com/www.solinvictusuniversalis.com/The_Solar_Angel.html

  57. alex says:

    As many as one in six children nationwide has a neurodevelopmental disability, including autism, speech and language delays, and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that ADHD alone affects 14 percent of children, although experts debate whether it may be overdiagnosed. In any case, the number of children needing special education services has increased 200 percent in the past 25 years. In a 2000 report, the National Research Council of the National Academy of Sciences estimated that 3 percent of brain disorders are caused outright by environmental toxicity and an additional 25 percent by environmental exposures interacting with genetic susceptibilities.

    Every day, America’s pregnant women and young children are exposed to a trifecta of suspected neurotoxicants in the form of pesticides (mostly via food and water but also home, lawn, and farm applications), polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, or PAH (mostly via exposure to vehicle exhaust), and polybrominated diphenyl ethers, or PBDEs (flame retardants, mostly in upholstered furniture and electronics). The CDC routinely samples Americans for these and other industrial by-products in our bodies, so we know their reach is pervasive. But we are not all equally exposed, and some of us appear to be more vulnerable to them for reasons that may include genetic susceptibility, poor nutrition, stress, and age.

    http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/12/children-baby-pollution-development-brain

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/11/which-industry-backing-your-state-election

    What Industry Ownes Your State

  58. kdez says:

    Gypsi, are you in one of those states that did not take the expanded Medicaid money? A lot of people in red states are getting shafted because they are TOO broke for ACA subsidies – caught in the ACA/Medicaid “gap”:
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/obamacare-navigators-medicaid-expansion

  59. ArtCulturePeace says:

    Aloha All,

    re: Mandela’s Influence/Meaning…the embodiment of authentic leadership (Capricorn/authenticity/Pluto world transit)

    “Leadership is a service. And service comes with sacrifice. Leaders eat last.”~Simon Sinek Link to an amazing short vid on this topic here:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/simon-sinek/the-loss-of-leadership_b_4414473.html

    Corporate media will miss the importance of this, so for the sake of a more complete meaning and value of events in South Africa these days…Jimmy Carter was not on AF1 because he arrived with other members of the humanitarian group that Mandela founded called “The Elders”. Carter is not there in So. Africa for a photo op. He’s there because he is a man of conscience, caring, calling as was Mandela, imv.
    Link: http://www.theelders.org They also have a YouTube channel: theeldersorg

    E Ho’omaluhia me ka Honua. May Peace Prevail on Earth. Blessings all.

  60. alex says:

    Live in Progress: Pres. Obama – Mandela Memorial

    http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/

  61. tetramorph says:

    An interesting lack of comments! Winter weather, I’m thinking… This caught my eye this morning:

    “Severe cold wave due to an unusually extreme jet stream kink”

    Unusually extreme ridges of high pressure set up over Alaska and the Southeast United States to compensate for the big dip in the jet stream over the center of North America. One ridge of high pressure pushed to the north of Alaska and over the Arctic Ocean, allowing warm Pacific air to bring rain and temperatures in the upper 30s to Alaska’s North Slope on Sunday — an unprecedented occurrence in December. Keep in mind that this is an area that has been in perpetual 24-hour darkness for several weeks. According to wunderground’s weather historian Christopher C. Burt, it appears that Sunday’s 39° at Deadhorse (Prudhoe Bay) is the warmest December temperature ever measured at any site on the Alaskan Arctic Ocean shoreline region. Weather records for Alaska’s North Slope go back as far as 1921 at Point Barrow. A very sharp ridge of high pressure also set up over the Southeast U.S.—Tallahasse, Florida hit 84° on Saturday, matching their highest temperature ever recorded in the month of December.

    http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=2595

  62. alex says:

    Natal Chart – Nelson Mandela

    http://famous-relationships.topsynergy.com/Nelson_Mandela/AstroData.asp

    Birthday: July 18, 1918

    Time of birth: 14:54

    Place of birth: Umtata, South Africa

  63. alex says:

    Natal Chart – Nelson Mandela

    http://famous-relationships.topsynergy.com/Nelson_Mandela/AstroData.asp

    Birthday: July 18, 1918

    Time of birth: 14:54

    Place of birth: Umtata, South Africa

    http://yinyangastrologer.com/astrology-2/the-%E2%80%98auxiliary%E2%80%99-angles-not-just-helpers-in-the-horoscope/

    EXCERPT

    The ‘Auxiliary’ Angles: Not Just Helpers in the Horoscope

  64. alex says:

    continued: Nelson Mandela Chart

    Glyphs

    http://www.uranian-institute.org/bfglyphs.htm

  65. ArtCulturePeace says:

    Aloha All,

    Mahalo Alex–for the Mandela chart information. Amazing! Hindsight/clearsight what stands out in terms of his life’s journey & legacy: Mars/Libra (11)(action/friendships through justice/fairness/equality); Moon/Scorpio (12) (relentless silent transformation/literal prison); Jupiter/Pluto conjunct Cancer (7) powerful enemies (apartheid) and friends (Nobel Peace Prize); Sag North Node (Truth/Justice/higher mind) on Ascendance….yes, indeed! A man whose life purposes were fully & well-lived!

    Watched corporate network coverage (abc/nbc) of memorial events in South Africa this morning. Sadly, lots of talk-over of the actual event/meaning/speakers, like a sports play-by-play. Wondering what this Mandela memorial’s unprecedented gathering of nation-state/celebrity/religious leaders, from despots to humanitarian wise elders of all political persuasions, may mean and how this event/energy may express current major world (Uranus square Pluto) astro challenges.

    Definitely Mandela’s influential natal Mars/Libra, if not by degree/but by meaning, is being felt in the world these days along with the recent ingress of Mars into Libra real time as mentioned by Starlight!

    Blessings all! E Ho’omaluhia me ka Honua. May Peace Prevail on Earth for all the peoples, species, forces of life/peace/joy. Amen.

  66. Helen says:

    tetramorph – Here’s an article explaining oceans warming up and the effect on weather:

    What ocean heating reveals about global warming

    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/09/what-ocean-heating-reveals-about-global-warming/

    Also – a ban issued for 2014 – no shrimp fishing off Maine coast:

    “Regulators limited the 2013 catch in hopes that the shrimp stock would bounce back, but that hasn’t happened, according to scientists and many, though not all, fishermen. Some believe that the shrimp are out there, with politics the main detriment to catching them. But Libby said that’s just not the case. Fishermen couldn’t even catch the small amount they were allowed last winter.”

    http://bangordailynews.com/2013/12/07/news/midcoast/fishermen-maine-scientists-react-to-news-that-2014-shrimp-fishing-season-has-been-shut-down/

  67. alex says:

    perception vs reality – inequity

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vttbhl_kDoo

  68. ArtCulturePeace says:

    Aloha All,

    re: US Pluto opposition; Pluto return; Mars Rx Progressed

    As if on cue, to express materially the astrological/pluto challenges/potentials facing the nation, the DC capitol dome itself in need of deep repairs, will be undergoing a dramatic restoration process over the next 2 years:
    http://www.aoc.gov/dome/project-overview
    http://www.aoc.gov/sites/default/files/dome-restoration-scaffolding.jpg

    Blessings all!

  69. Lorrie U says:

    Eric Cantor Takes Steps to Give Netanyahu Power Over American Middle East Policy

    …Eric Cantor is pushing hard for legislation in the House to levy stricter sanctions on Iran to break the conditions necessary for the agreement to move forward.

    There are several reasons Cantor is obeying Netanyahu and attempting to force America to renege on its part of the agreement with Iran besides allowing Netanyahu to dictate America’s Middle East policy. It puts President Obama in his place and subjects him to Netanyahu’s leadership, creates conditions for American involvement in another Middle East war, satisfies the religious right’s quest to bring about the war of Armageddon and recall Jesus to Earth, signals the defense and oil industry their fortunes are about to rise, and gives neo-cons another opportunity to kill Muslims. Republicans have been disgusted with President Obama’s foreign policy of diplomacy over pre-emptive war, and it was only a matter of time before they found a suitable way for America to go back on its agreement and reestablish Iranian mistrust of the United States and set a path for war.

    Cantor wasted little time setting up opposition to the historic agreement and began spreading lies about it as it related to the Non Proliferation Treaty and Iran’s legal right to enrich uranium as a signatory of the NPT.

    http://www.politicususa.com/2013/12/10/eric-cantor-takes-steps-give-netanyahu-power-american-middle-east-policy.html

  70. Bob says:

    Alex:

    Source of time for Mandela Chart?

    Birth record, family bible, baby book, public record, church record?

    It is not labeled as speculative or rectified. Posting a times use without clearly sourcing it is not befitting a professional organization.

  71. Lorrie U says:

    On FB – The three branches of govt.: Financial,Petrochemical and Pharmaceutical

  72. will says:

    Eric Cantor harbors a palpably-vicious jealousy toward PBO. To my thinking, he is a deeply-disturbed, power-hungry monster who would be more fortunate in the karmic scheme of things, if his earthly demise came very, very soon. I get goose-flesh from the evil emanating from this misanthropic fiend. Oh, but for a nice holiday droning for him.

    Dear Santa…

  73. Lorrie U says:

    On Twitter – Republican logic: Everyone having a gun will make us safer, but everyone having health care will destroy us!

  74. Lorrie U says:

    Will – Very succinctly stated, I have similar thoughts…

  75. alex says:

    Bob
    time the top synergy site chart….. otherwise let me know if you find various other sources giving various times, not uncommon is it?

  76. alex says:

    Bob

    PS chart times: you know when a comment raises a question for me or conversely when someone asks me a question about something they can look up themselves I think that a) this is an opportunity to find more comprehensive sources/information than I have previously considered and need to answer or b) wonder why most questions directed to me don’t stir an interest in the questioner to find the answer themselves…. to me a question is a reminder to do something about answering the question myself usually not to ask someone to do it for me… I luv to learn;

    really only you can feel satisfied that you’ve tracked down the answer and increased your knowledge base…. it’s always the best way…. it’s an opportunity to inscribe the new information into your knowledge base because the question hangs there needing an an answer and nagging for satisfaction;

    with birth charts as you know astro data bank innovated the practice and made it common place to investigate the sources available to verify birth time and then rate the credibility of the information they discover;

    that as you know is the prime source for time verification….but and as you also know your own investigation can take that further and sometimes turn up sources that are more on point that you accept as credible;

    asking me who verifies the time and then saying that top synergy isn’t very professional well …. you are making a judgment give me a nickle for every opinion judgment tossed out without the benefit of self reflection…. you can answer that question for yourself better than I can;

    natal charts are always questionable and in my opinion hospital birth times are often the worst… the staff rounds up or rounds down the time of birth after the fact from memory; and I’d ask are they giving the time of birth when the infant emerges from the mother’s body or when the infant takes its first breath…. a point of contention with many astrologers…

    having said all that because almost all charts have questionable times that is why we use synastry, transits, progressions and other family charts to re-fine birth data charts as publically given….

    I always test a chart with a few basic questions… does the chart reflect the life the person is/has lived ( obviously that question does not rise to the level of a test for young children’s charts) so for young children it’s good to look at astrologers like Erin Sullivan, Donna Cunningham etc who have tons of experience and accuracy on child development charting and vocational charting for guidance..

    otherwise…. top synergy is as good as it gets but having said that one source is not ever enough… I’m not writing a book here … you’ll have to admit I am one commenter that goes beyond to get things accurate as a blog standard ( because I’m not writing a book or publishing a stand alone op-ed or writing a thesis for PhD. as some examples for professional standards )

    you’re missing an opportunity to quiet the ever present nagging question in you mind that only you can truly satisfy;

  77. alex says:

    Bob
    another age old technique… this day in history… beginning with Nelson Mandela’s birthday and subsequent years follow/compare/analyxe world events as he grew up through the lens of his birthdays… that is one method: use world events reflected in the solar arc chart of historic iconic individuals…

  78. Lorrie U says:

    Bernie Sanders

    Budget Pact:
    Key congressional budget negotiators reached agreement Tuesday evening on a two-year plan to restore about $63 billion in automatic spending cuts. Sen. Bernie Sanders is a member of the special Senate and House budget committee, which still must go along with the deal before the full House and Senate consider the legislation. Interviewed by Chris Hayes on MSNBC not long after the agreement was outlined, Sanders assessed the pros – no cuts in Social Security or Medicare, Saturday mail survives – and the cons – corporations keep their tax loopholes, no jobs program, no extension of expiring benefits for the long-term unemployed.

    http://youtu.be/8zl1iswtDHE

  79. Bob says:

    Alex,

    It seems that your ego seems to have been offended because I wanted to know if data was in some way recorded or if it was someone’s opinion. This is a common quest in astrology when one is not sure.

  80. Bob says:

    http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/worldwari/p/xmastruce.htm

    World War I: The Christmas Truce of 1914

    By Kennedy Hickman

    “For the most part, both sides returned to their trenches later on Christmas Eve. The following morning, Christmas was celebrated in full, with men visiting across the lines and gifts of food and tobacco being exchanged. In several places, games of soccer were organized, though these tended to be mass “kick abouts” rather than formal matches. Private Ernie Williams of the 6th Cheshires reported, “I should think there were about a couple of hundred taking part…There was no sort of ill-will between us (Weintraub, 81).” Amid the music and sports, both sides frequently joined together for large Christmas dinners.”

  81. will says:

    A White Woman in a Black Hair Salon in New York’s Harlem

    I think Jesus may have reincarnated as the short-haired Black woman who appears at the end of this video…one of the most amazing teaching-moments I’ve ever witnessed.

    Well worth about 7 minutes. Well, well worth it.

    http://youtu.be/ynYwTU7z6BI

  82. alex says:

    Bob
    My ego wasn’t offended… I was annoyed…. you know how to verify
    a time but I did think calling Top Synergy took a lot of ego on your part.. then I turned my annoyance into a teaching moment if not for you … for other people thinking about astrologer and how they practice natal astrology….

    you misread me… I’m interested in your question ….. how astrologers determine a natal chart when they feel the time source is not quite credible… but I’m not interested in doing the work for you… I’m a tired oldster I think I’ve said it before …. I want inforamtion about survivial and strategy and best interests of political progressives and for the collective conscience to be useful … I post those kinds of things and for those reasons… I’m not in the peace of mind business… if something is bothering you especially something you know how to solve do it for yourself… you are a capable astrologer….

  83. alex says:

    PS
    Topy Synergy as far as I know is a professional astrology service and they investigate time of birth I don’t think they just copy and paste but often in the public domain astrologers will form around a consensus chart … in Mandela case the time of birth has a DD rating at astro data bank… that is easy enough for anyone to google up the info on that …. then if you look around the web for charts on Mandela you’ll find there is consensus and the time though doubtful is used…

    something Nick Campion addressed many years ago I’ll paraphrase… sometimes a birth time for a nation or an iconic historic person raises doubts but the thing is when that natal chart is used over and over and accepted in the public domain when you use that national chart or iconic chart you can be sure that the chart captures the ‘projection of the persona’ of that the nation or person represents their cultural place how they are/were perceived… the perception is established which in and of itself has a life of its own and so the chart is used … the chart reveals a cultural persona/identity…

    that if it becomes your mission to dig into an investigation that goes beyond what consensus has accepted… well then do that;

  84. Bob says:

    Alex,

    You are so invested you are not hearing me. It is not for myself I asked for clarification for the data source but for others who may not be able to try rectification.

    Finis

  85. Bob says:

    Thanks for the link Will. I can’t find words right now.

  86. angellight says:

    For those who are just beginning to learn about astrology; here is some

    Free, Astrology lessons/education on the signs & planets of the zodiac –

    http://www.heidirose.com/#!free-resources/c1y8e

  87. Bob says:

    Another chart by a long time professional.

    http://www.edtamplin.com/political%20astrology.htm

    http://www.edtamplin.com/images/MANDELA.jpg

    Have tested about 5 times using 3 events and am leaning towards one as being close but want to run some more tests.

  88. alex says:

    Bob
    you finally did your own homework … which you are well capable of and thanks for the Tamplin chart which in sum total was like pulling teeth none-the-less we did something SOMETHING called ‘crowd sourcing’ which I like which I think the threads are capable of and which makes them more than a chat board…. Crowd Sourcing… good work and great utility of time:-)

  89. alex says:

    Bob
    Mandela Chart

    On first impression I like the Tamplin chart because it is a Cardinal Cross b) and the Sun Pluto is in the 10th house, c) mars in the first d) and the left sector both quadrandats the Eastern hemisphere of the chart is filled – a self initiated self motivated person with Aries @08 fourth house cusp;

    I also drew a Draconian chart …. I’ll be testing Mandela chart against events in the world and his biography from the upthread link I provdied; all that stuff will take a few days….

  90. alex says:

    per El Tamplin Nelson Mandela Horoscope which he has timed at 10.41am (rectified chart by Ed Tamplin)

    Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela was born on July 18 1918 at Mvezo, South Africa.

    He was born with Jupiter, the planet of justice, exalted in the caring sign of Cancer, united with regenerating Pluto.

    True to judicial Jupiter and reformative Pluto, Nelson was a lawyer, but one who would change the law.

    True to Pluto in homeland Cancer – he was a nationalist, but one who would transform his nation.

    The two planets that stood at the zenith of his horoscope, defined the public life of the man. The other was Mars the fighter, placed in the balance sign of Libra – the scales of law – rising at his birth.

    Mars rising depicted his love of boxing, a sport he successfully embraced in his youth, and his athletic appearance. More importantly, Mandela was a fighter for equality, the highest Libran realization.

  91. alex says:

    Lorrie,

    would you comment on the numerology of Mandela’s degrees on the Ascendant (6) and the Midheaven (8) in the Ed Tamplin chart; I think those degrees are good narrative for his iconic role in the world as late 20th C President of the re-drawn democracy of South Africa and the first black president of his nation… he was a champion

  92. alex says:

    Brief Aspect Summary: Natal Mandela horoscope per Ed Tamplin chart

    Angles – Cardinal

    Cardinal Grand Cross (world stage)

    Pluto Apex-of-Horoscope 10th House:
    Pluto @05 Cancer (Jupiter @01 Cancer, most elevated planet/point of chart, 9TH house, law-justice)

    square

    Ascendant @06 Libra
    conjunct
    Mars @12 Libra

    square

    IC @08 Capricorn (correction from upthread typo)

    square

    Chiron @03 Aries 6TH House (Centaur Chiron carrying a burden)
    6Th House, public house, house of national service entities,

    Chiron in the 6th House in Aries emphasizes the dominance of Aries in the natal chart

    Chiron @03 Aries 6Th House (ambitious,dynamo,industrious)

    Centaur embodies the ‘shadow’ content of the consciousness the unconscious…. Chiron’s role is to bring the unconscious shadow into conscience awareness and to make it a strength

    conjunct
    7TH House Cusp

    square

    Apex Pluto in 10th House ,wan vigintile aspect, (opportunity to higher awareness) Sun @24 Cancer

  93. alex says:

    EXcerpt

    http://www.asiantribune.com/node/67327

    Washington, D.C. 09 December

    The Asian Tribune for the information of its readers publishes here the June 10, 1990 dated report of The New York Times which revealed the (US) Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) role in the arrest of Nelson Mandela in 1962 which resulted in his incarceration of 27 years in a South African hard-labor prison.

    We carry here the entire text of the New York Times report: C.I.A. TIE REPORTED IN MANDELA ARREST

    The Central Intelligence Agency played an important role in the arrest in 1962 of Nelson Mandela, the African National Congress leader who was jailed for nearly 28 years before his release four months ago, a news report says.

  94. alex says:

    Chris Hedges discusses the psychology of the super rich; their sense of entitlement, the dehumanization of workers, and mistaken belief that their wealth will insulate them from the coming storms

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6unS2JF8TA

    The Pathology of the Rich – Chris Hedges on Reality Asserts Itself pt1

    “The inability to grasp the pathology of our oligarchic rulers is one of our gravest faults.”

    Hedges: Because we don’t understand the pathology of the rich we’ve been saturated with cultural images and a kind of cultural deification of wealth and those who have wealth. We are being–you know, they present people of immense wealth as somehow leaders–oracles, even.

    And we don’t grasp internally what it is an oligarchic class is finally about or how venal and morally bankrupt they are. We need to recover the language of class warfare and grasp what is happening to us, and we need to shatter this self-delusion that somehow if, as Obama says, we work hard enough and study hard enough, we can be one of them.

    The fact is, the people who created the economic mess that we’re in were the best-educated people in the country–Larry Summers, a former president of Harvard, and others. The issue is not education. The issue is greed.

    And I, unfortunately, had the experience of being shipped off to a private boarding school at the age of ten as a scholarship student and live–I was one of 16 kids on scholarship, and I lived among the super-rich and I watched them. And I think much of my hatred of authority and my repugnance for the ruling elite comes from having been among them for so long.

  95. alex says:

    artsculturepeace

    – I am experiencing a glitch on this page ( maybe my whole computer who knows in any case) your comment with link to Mandela URL and the elder.org seems to be missing; if it persists I hope you’ll post it again;

  96. Azizi says:

    Greetings, and hat tip to Will for sharing information about the video “What Would You Do” video that is entitled “Guy Brings His White Girl To Barbershop In Harlem And Gets Hated On By Black Hairdresser”.

    I made a transcript of that video to increase awareness of it video for cultural and educational purposes, including increasing its availability to those with hearing challenges.

    Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/12/what-would-you-do-video-white.html for Part I of this transcript. The link for Part II is included in that post.

    I agree with Will that watching that video is well worth your time.

  97. starlight says:

    US and UK stop aid to Syrian rebels as Islamists gain control:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25331241

    Uh oh!

  98. Lorrie U says:

    Great video, Will. I often feel that it’s not the people that are the problem, it’s those on the top who want to keep the agitation and ignorance going.

  99. Helen says:

    Good – couldn’t happen to a nicer guy:

    Chris Christie’s Presidential Dream Ends

    “Amanda Terkel of the Huffington Post made this local news story national by placing the incident into its broader political context, bannering “Chris Christie Administration In A Jam Over Charges Of Using Busiest U.S. Bridge In Political Payback.”

    Terkel explained that the excuse that the Christie Administration had given for temporarily closing two of the three NJ-side access lanes to the nation’s busiest bridge, the George Washington Bridge connecting NJ with NYC, and for thereby having caused terrific traffic tie-ups there, was now almost certain to have been fictitious, a lie; and that the real reason that this had been done by the Christie administration was simply in order to punish the Mayor of Fort Lee NJ, who had failed to endorse Chris Christie for re-election.”

    http://www.opednews.com/articles/Chris-Christie-s-President-by-Eric-Zuesse-Barack-Obama_Brand-Obama_Chris-Christie_Chris-Christie-131210-596.html

  100. Lorrie U says:

    Alex – The #6 on the ascendant would indicate a person who sees himself as a counselor and nurterer to family and those he cares about. The #8 on the MC would indicate success, leadership and amazing endurance, and represents authority in society. In his endeavors to express himself through his love of “family,” he sacrifices much of himself and earns their devotion. When he is released from prison, his endurance is rewarded and he earns his successful role as a leader in society. The 10th house also represents government, so the #8 would elevate him to a leadership position to help society.

  101. alex says:

    Lorrie

    thank you wonderful contribution clarifying Mandela’s Natal chart;
    you are terrific with numerology;

  102. Noelle says:

    Lorrie, so would an 8 on my ascendant be similar to on MC and 9 on MC?
    I found you response to Alex very interesting.

  103. Sharon K says:

    Helen, the way this world is–with scandals coming and going (and I’m also thinking of the Bush-Cheney administration),and none of them ever really seeming to stick–if the author of that article thinks that Chris Christie’s decision to block access to the GW Bridge and cause traffic back-ups because of an alleged political payback is going to stand in his way of being the Republican candidate for president 3 years from now, I believe he is sadly mistaken (although I would love for that to be the case, because I think he is the one Repubican we have to worry about)!

  104. Sharon Katz says:

    That’s an interesting way of applying numerology to the angular (am I right) houses of a natal chart, Lorrie. I guess the 18 degrees on my MC reduces to 9–well I am always involved with universities and learning somehow, whether degree-seeking or working at one, and I guess I can see the 10/1 influence on my rising sign…not because I’m a leader or trail blazer but more because I like to carve my own path.

  105. alex says:

    With thanks to Ed Tamplin: who replied to my email sent this morning with a super reply to my question about Nelson Mandela’snatal chart;

    Per Ed Tamplin:

    There is too much to go onto here. There’s is no known birth time for Nelson Mandela, other than hearsay, and definitely nothing from the man himself or his office. All reports came back with no known time. He did not even suggest a time morning afternoon or night in his autobiography.

    I used the pivotal dates and events of his life to construct a horoscope that had the Moon and angles doing the right things and making the appropriate aspects for these events.

    So it is what we call in astrology a ‘rectified chart. I mentioned in my article that I ‘timed his horoscope for 10.41 am.

    The other horoscopes on the net are based on rectified times by other astrologers. To me they do not work properly and also do not describe the man and his life. Hence I took it upon myself to correct this. The rectification is a complicated technical process using several techniques, and took me some days to complete to my satisfaction.

  106. TJ says:

    Azizi, thanks for the transcript! That video has been posted on my Facebook pages so many times, but with my hearing loss I can’t understand it without captions. YouTube auto captions are hit and miss anyway, but on this video it’s all mixed-up.

  107. Gypsi says:

    Will and Lorrie – I’m with you 100% on Cantor, the guy is demonic.

    And yes, I live in Texas, a red state that declined medicaid expansion. I am healthy, therefore I do not qualify for anything, but I won’t have to pay a fine. $300 a month for bronze when I spend $300 a year or less at the doctor, and I have a mortgage, is just too much. On the bright side a lot of Texans are signing up and getting covered.

  108. Lorrie U says:

    Thanks, Alex. What I like about numerology is that you don’t have to have a birth time, and it supports and mirrors the astrological chart. In fact, I’ve helped figure out a probable ascendant using numerology when someone only knows a general timeframe. I’ve never looked at it from the perspective you requested, so thanks, I think that’s something to be pursued.

  109. alex says:

    Lorrie
    Asc-MC absolutely

    you have a gift for sure!