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A huge sigh of relief was heard throughout Europe and the United States yesterday when Greece voted to continue using the Euro and accept some amount of mandated austerity in exchange for monetary aid.  The multitude of dire predictions of “what would happen if” evaporated in a blissful moment. The European economy is not out of the woods yet, but, at least for now, it has backed away from the proverbial cliff.

Astrologically, the Saturn transits in the Greek chart point to the need for significant belt-tightening and a commitment to discipline as a path out of the current mess. From late May through June 2012, we have seen the Saturn station essentially sit in a square to the Greek Sun (22Capricron45). By late June, a slow-moving Saturn will move into a sesquiquadrate with natal Venus (8Pisces56) and a semisquare with Mars (9Virgo39) through mid-August, essentially continuing the slow slog towards progress, although strongly tinged with a general sense of deprivation.

Within this more difficult framework, however, there are also indications of national pride and cautious optimism. The Venus station at 7Gemini45 is in an exact sesquiquadrate with Greece’s Sun (22Capricorn45), in effect from June 18 through July 1. Thus, despite the difficulties of the moment, there is a patriotic satisfaction that the country has done the right thing in this election. In addition, the Jupiter transit square to natal Venus and Mars from July 20 through July 28 is likely to bring some uplifting news.

By mid to late August 2012, many of the charts impacted by the current Saturn transit through late Libra will begin to feel relief, and it may be that at least some of the current economic contraction and anxiety will be moving toward resolution.  Certainly for Antonis Samaras (5/23/51), the man likely to become the Prime Minister of Greece, September and October will go exceptionally well, probably in some way also indicative of the situation in Greece. Samaras’ North Node (15Pisces43) will benefit from a square by the long Jupiter station in September and October, while his natal Jupiter (6Aries35) will be crossed by Uranus throughout September. It would surely seem there is light at the end of the tunnel come autumn for this struggling country.

Also much in the news these days is Syria, a nation hurtling toward a civil war with the potential of sparking a regional or even a global clash. While the Western allies talk of arming and subsidizing the rebels, there have been reports of Russia sending weapons and troops to the Assad government. Iran is also highly invested in the success of the current Syrian government which is Iran’s chief Shiite ally in the region. In fact, the pervasive and fratricidal sibling rivalry of Sunni/Shiite tension that shadows everything in the Middle East and South Asia, underlie the truly explosive and highly dangerous possibilities inherent in this conflict.

It is of great concern that the escalation of the Syrian clash is paralleling the building three-year Uranus/Pluto square, the first highly volatile phase of which covers from June through September 2012. This configuration pits those who want freedom from the restrictions and abuse of concentrated power (financial, political, and/or military) against those who want unrestrained and firmer use of that power. The precipitous grab for power by the Egyptian military in the wake of recent Egyptian elections – an attempt to weaken the democratically-elected president in favor of the military – is another manifestation of this destabilizing energy. In addition, the recent demonstrations against Vladimir Putin in Russia and Russia’s  developing, aggressive posture on several issues, including Syria, is also indicative of the Uranus/Pluto square, currently activating the bombastic and unilateral Uranus (8Capricorn) square to Mars (8Aries) in Russia’s natal chart during 2012 and 2013.

Uranus’ square to Pluto is an incendiary mix, with the potential for enormous upheaval on the path to ultimate transformation. At present, the Venus station (7 to 8 Gemini) is triggering Uranus (8Aries) and Pluto (8Capricorn) from June 18 through July 4. In addition, from July 13 to July 22, transiting Jupiter (7-8 Gemini) and then transiting Mars (7-8 Libra) will very strongly intensify this configuration. Thus, many of the deep-seated power struggles in the world today, although already in high gear, are likely to continue to escalate from now through late July. In particular, the many interrelated threads that make up the evolving Syrian tapestry, including the increasingly violent situation on the ground there, will also be vulnerable to these building tensions through much of July.

160 comments

  1. Charles [CJ] says:

    Predicted SCOTUS ruling expected 6/28/12 during Moon V/C in Libra in the “Via Combust Way”. What happens with a major decision made during such a day?

    The very first bill introduced in the United States Senate was the Judiciary Act of 1789; enacted September 24, 1789:, which created the Supreme Court. These first Sessions held March 4, 1789 through September 29, 1789 at Federal Hall in New York City)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_United_States_Congress

    Noon chart [from Astrodienst] for 9/24/1789; New York has Mercury 21:12 conjunct Neptune 22:15 in Libra.

  2. will says:

    Sleep, Pray, Meditate

  3. Sharon says:

    Just to add this into the mix… I don’t know if things are as dire as the writer makes them sound, if they are exaggerating, or if there is truth therein, but walking away from the Camp David accord is not exactly a vote for peace.

    http://blog.standforisrael.org/articles/the-old-new-enemy?sm=Blog&s_src=FB&s_subsrc=NEX1206XXEXXX

  4. starlight says:

    Russia sending warships:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/19/world/europe/russian-warships-said-to-be-going-to-naval-base-in-syria.html?_r=1&hp&gwh=6ACACE9EB0B4C1E95DEA18E79B2CBF17

    Introducing an unpredictable new element into the Syrian crisis, a news agency said on Monday that two Russian naval vessels with marines on board were ready to head for Syria to protect Russian citizens and a naval base there, in what would be the first known reinforcement of Moscow’s military presence since the start of an uprising against President Bashar al-Assad.

  5. starlight says:

    I wonder if a military dictatorship would be more likely to keep the peace agreement. It might.

  6. starlight says:

    How sure are you of the 6/28 date? I would much prefer a few days earlier.

  7. andre says:

    The real danger is Spain, not Greece.

    ”In other words, the markets are calling the politicians’ bluff. Spain, not Greece, is the trigger for the crisis to be solved – or not.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/nils-pratley-on-finance/2012/jun/18/markets-eurozone-bluff-spain

  8. starlight says:

    Venus is moving into a sesquiquadrate with Saturn. Maybe when that separates, we will have a solution for Spain. For now it is putting a prolonged stress on finance (Venus) from 6/19 to 7/6. It may be a minor aspect, but it keeps Saturn active and Venus under pressure for over two weeks.

  9. DPH says:

    Nancy, Andrew Sullivan’s blog has the following speculation about the day that SCOTUS will hand down the healthcare mandate decision:

    Another Monday, another morning of waiting to see whether the Supreme Court will rule on health care reform. The justices still have several decisions to issue this term, including high-profile cases on immigration and broadcast standards of decency, so they may wait until next Monday. They might also release decisions this coming Thursday or perhaps next Thursday. In either case, they would announce beforehand that decisions are forthcoming on those days, at least if they keep to custom. (As far as I know, they will not simply release a decision without warning.).

    Looks to me like no one is sure when the ruling will come down.

  10. Lorrie U says:

    A Primer on Possible Obamacare Decisions (Updated)

    The Court will likely have more decisions to issue on Thursday, although that’s not yet certain. But the justices may not issue a ruling on the Affordable Care Act until next Monday, when they are already slated to issue rulings. And even next Monday isn’t a hard deadline. The justices could always add more decision days next week, particularly since they still have several major rulings to issue before the term ends.

    http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/104105/when-will-supreme-court-announce-obamacare-decision-scenarios-monday

  11. Francis says:

    This is completely off topic and really has little to do with the Square but I wanted to share because few other people in my life would understand the astro connection. Tr Saturn has been flirting with my Neptune which is close to 25 degrees of Libra. I have a 12 H Neptune so the teachings take time to bubble up slowly from the cauldron of my psyche but when I have some clarity on what I am learning I have to say that I am appreciative of this time. I am seeing all around me how much melodrama is created through fantasy, of fantasies that could be and how much of our stories are bound up in fantasies of what was. Of course because I am seeing all this around me, it is for me to look at more closely to examine how I get caught up in fantasy. It is a big lesson for me especially in the way I jump to gloomy conclusions and fear and the other side, happy conclusions and get excited. Its exhausting, frankly. Later this year, tr Saturn reaches my ASC and my ASC’s conjunction with Saturn (for my second return) and Mercury. I’m regarding Saturn more and more as Wisdom rather than trials and tribulations and am considering a “croning” event for myself to kick off my second Saturn return. Wish me well!!

  12. clymela says:

    Doesn’t the date refer to when the decision will be announced NOT the date the decision is made? Would we use the date of the announcement something like the baby’s first breath?

  13. Teresa Hill says:

    Starlight & all,
    I’d never heard this story about Obama’s birth. Apparently, a volcano erupted that summer in Hawaii, Kilauea, for 7 days in June and then three in September. Obama was born in between the two eruptions.
    http://situationroom.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/18/blitzers-blog-new-details-on-obamas-hawaii-birth/?hpt=hp_t2

  14. Lorrie U says:

    BLITZER’S BLOG: New details on Obama’s Hawaii birth

    In Hawaiian lore,” Maraniss writes, “the volcano goddess, Pele, is said to reside inside Kilauea, one of the most active volcanoes in the world, located on the southeastern side of the Big Island. When Kilauea erupts, according to local oral tradition, Pele is telling them something. For seven days in July 1961, Pele erupted and again for three days that September.” Barack Hussein Obama II was born between those two eruptions.

    http://situationroom.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/18/blitzers-blog-new-details-on-obamas-hawaii-birth/?hpt=hp_t2

  15. Lorrie U says:

    Teresa – Sorry, obviously we cross-posted same info.

  16. Teresa Hill says:

    Clymela,
    Pretty sure it does. I don’t think we ever actually know when the vote was taken, because after that the Justices pick someone to write the majority opinion and someone to write the minority opinion. Research goes on, writing happens, and then there’s a time when the written opinions come back to the full court, and I think more arguments or editing might happen at that stage, but I’m not sure.
    I do know writing the opinion happens after the vote.

  17. Teresa Hill says:

    Lorrie,
    It was such a cool story. Born between the volcano’s eruptions. Deserves twice the mentions. :)

  18. Francis says:

    speaking of mid-points between volcanos, does anyone know if the mid point when Ur-Pl square is of any consequence and what it would be?

  19. Stefanie says:

    So apparently Obama’s Nerd Prom Lion King spoof about his own birth was true! :>) Love this story, so awesome.

  20. Sharon says:

    My 2nd Sat return was very good as have been almost all Sat transits (or so it has seemed) except for my first return at age 29, but I was less experienced then to know how to deal with things. As far as the Neptunian fantasies, ain’t that the truth, Francis! We are quick to form opinions and sometimes even ideologies and pre-judge, stereotype, generalize. I think a lot of this is meant to protect ourselves and, in some cases, it really does. When we’re too open, it can be hard to communicate to others. It takes inner reflection, self-knowledge, and an understanding of the human condition to know how to get beyond these mental states we are attached to. It’s especially confusing when our heart/intuition reinforces what’s right, or seems to!

  21. Sharon says:

    I also want to add that, after some thought (as in “think before talking or writing”), when we try to come from a genuine and inclusive place, maybe we can meet in the realm of common humanity with others.

  22. starlight says:

    It will move with the square. Basically it is the same as the semisquare and sesquiquadrate, in other words, for the square at 8 Aries/Capricorn, it would be at 23 of the fixed signs. When Uranus/Pluto gets to 12 Aries/Capricorn, the midpoint will be at 27 of the fixed signs, i.e. the US Moon, Obama’s Node, and Romney’s Moon/Jupiter. You can look at these as midpoints or as minor hard aspects.

  23. starlight says:

    Next Monday would be great! So would this Thursday (or Friday). After next Tuesday morning, less so.

  24. starlight says:

    I am hoping it will come during the Jupiter transit to Obama’s Moon through early next Tuesday morning. This Friday will be particularly good for Obama wherever he is. I hope he can use it well. Tr Sun on his Venus just as progressed Sun is in an exact square to his Venus, plus Jupiter on his Moon.

  25. Prabhata says:

    LA Times

    Historically, the court has saved many of its most momentous rulings until the final day of the term, and the healthcare case is likely to be follow that pattern.

  26. Francis says:

    that makes so much sense! Thank you! I kinda dropped out of studying astrology when I came to midpoints. I thought, OMG, on top of the planets and houses and aspects and angles, hemispheres, etc, now this! and aspects to this, too! It just got too much. You have just made this so much easier for me. Thank you Nancy!

  27. Francis says:

    the man should put you on his team! He can say to the public that it is your skill as a therapist who can offer support to his team during the campaign but really hire you to work with Axelrod! That is my wish for you!

  28. Teresa Hill says:

    Oh, you know this is perfect symbolism for Obama.

    The financial system in this country exploded. It spewed fire all over the country and burned down so much of people’s wealth.

    And then Obama arrived, right after that fire.

    We got another, smaller eruption afterward, while he was here.

    Fits perfectly.

  29. angellight says:

    Lorrie U & Teresa Hill: Loving that info on Obama’s birth and Pele!

    & definitely want to boycott Koch Bros’products, one product I am aware of is Brawny Paper Towels.

    HuffPost Politics ?@HuffPostPol

    Catholic nuns embark on bus tour to protest GOP budget proposals http://huff.to/M5AYJE

  30. Bob says:

    I hope this posts as it is written. If it is a jumbled mess please delete it Nancy and I will try another way to post it.

    Obama Signs Healthcare Bill – Natal Chart
    Mar 23 2010, 11:55 am, EDT +4:00
    White House Dist of Columbia, 38°N53’50”, 077°W02’13”

    Upcoming transits to signing of bill into law.

    P1 Asp P2 Type Date

    Wed Mer Sqr Ven Tr-Sp Jun 20 2012
    Thur Sun Sqr Sat Tr-Sp Jun 21 2012
    Fri Sun Sqr Sat Tr-Na Jun 22 2012

    I deleted Saturday and Sunday aspects

    Tues Sun Sqr Sun Tr-Sp Jun 26 2012
    Sun Opp Plu Tr-Na Jun 26 2012
    Sun Opp Plu Tr-Sp Jun 26 2012
    Sun Cnj Mon Tr-Na Jun 26 2012
    Mer Sxt Sat Tr-Sp Jun 26 2012
    Mer Sxt Sat Tr-Na Jun 26 2012

    Wed Mer Cnj Mar Tr-Na Jun 27 2012
    Mer Cnj Mar Tr-Sp Jun 27 2012
    Mar Opp Ura Tr-Na Jun 27 2012
    Mar Opp Ura Tr-Sp Jun 27 2012

    Thur Mer Tri Sun Tr-Na Jun 28 2012

  31. Charles [CJ] says:

    “Thursday will be the next chance for the opinion to be handed down. But most court analysts aren’t expecting it until sometime next week.

    The justices are likely to issue opinions on Monday and Thursday of next week, and possibly on other days. Thursday of next week is expected to be the last day of the term.

    Historically, the court has saved many of its most momentous rulings until the final day of the term, and the healthcare case is likely to be follow that pattern.”

    Paul West – latimes
    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-not-today-supreme-court-ruling-on-obamacare-still-pending-20120618,0,1361423.story

  32. Francis says:

    ooops, realized this is true only of squares and not applicable to finding or understanding other mid points.

  33. angellight says:

    GOP House voted 109 times to provide direct financial benefits to Big Oil!

    http://thkpr.gs/MDmW1t

  34. starlight says:

    This only works when you are looking for the midpoint of a square. It will be the semisquare/sesquiquadrate. But the midpoint of two random points will be what ever it is and unlikely to also be an aspect. I don’t use midpoints that much, but I do notice this particular pattern.

  35. starlight says:

    From your lips… thanks.

  36. starlight says:

    This article gives an interesting perspective to what has been going on at UVa. It is a somewhat local story, but all hell is breaking lose at the University because some right-wing b*tch on the board decided to secretly get rid of the Dean for what seem to be rather spurious reasons.

    The Corporatization of UVA and America

    http://prospect.org/article/corporatization-uva-and-america

  37. Lorrie U says:

    For those who might be interested…

    Paul Ryan’s Birth Time Discovered
    http://politicalastrologyblog.com/2012/06/19/paul-ryans-birth-time-discovered/#more-5183

  38. Sharon says:

    Yes, I heard about the “Nuns on a Bus” tour!!! And no more BRAWNY for me!

  39. Teresa Hill says:

    Paul Krugman, Nobel prize winning economist, told Colbert last night he fears our future is to become Ireland, financially, if Romney is elected.
    Good Lord, that’s a scary thought.

  40. Stefanie says:

    News breaking that Hosni Mubarak is dead.

  41. Kdez says:

    Here is a good Slate article on the firing of the UVa President Tersa Sullivan (bd July 9, 1949) for not being corporate enough–

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/hey_wait_a_minute/2012/06/teresa_sullivan_fired_from_uva_what_happens_when_universities_are_run_by_robber_barons_.single.html

  42. Jerry says:

    Astro Influences: The Pluto and Uranus Wake-Up Call
    by Chris Zydel

    I wanted to talk a little bit about an upcoming astrological influence that some of you are probably already feeling. But it’s going to intensify at the end of June and then continue having a powerful effect on everyone over the next five years.

    What’s happening is that two of the heavy hitters of the zodiac, Pluto and Uranus, are coming into a very charged relationship with each other. Both of these planets are involved in the process of transformation. And they approach transformation in different ways. But the thing they have in common is their passion for radical transformation.

    Neither one of them is interested in half measures. And because of this they scare people.

    It’s true that anything that involves either one of these planets can be very intense and the two of them operating together can bring that intensity to a fever pitch. But intensity is just another word for being incredibly alive. And at the core, that’s all these planetary energies want for us. Our full and glorious aliveness.

    Pluto is the harbinger of the death-rebirth process. It wants to clear away anything from your life that is keeping you stuck in old unconscious patterns of repression, denial and resistance. And it is the death part of the process that gives folks the heebie-jeebies.

    But the important thing to remember is that Pluto only strips away those things from your life that are already dead. It’s like the great cosmic janitor. It will sweep away anything that is sucking your lifeblood and your precious energy into a black hole of despair or hopelessness or powerlessness in order to make way for a more powerfully dynamic and richly meaningful life.

    It just does that sweeping with unapologetic ruthlessness.

    It’s in the sign of Capricorn which means that it will be honing in on old structures in your life that you are holding onto out of fear. So maybe that job you hate will suddenly disappear or the toxic relationship you have been reluctant to end because you don’t want to be alone will blow up in technicolor drama!

    Capricorn is also related to issues of who’s in charge so Pluto is going to demand that we give up our dependence on letting outer influences run our lives.

    It is time to reclaim our own inner authority.To recognize that we are the experts when it comes to our own needs and challenges and that it’s not going to work to keep looking for someone else to tell us what to do.

    Pluto in Capricorn is going to put pressure on us to stand tall in our full sovereignty and develop the moxie to say YES to what we DO want and NO to what isn’t in our best interests. Pluto is saying that any allegiance to an external authority, especially one that is repressive and limiting and controlling, needs to die and be transformed.

    Continued…..

    http://creativejuicesarts.com/astro-influences-the-pluto-and-uranus-wake-up-call/

  43. Teresa Hill says:

    The head rabble-rousing nun was on Colbert recently, and she was fabulous. Such a meek looking 60-somthing woman, ready to raise hell.

  44. will says:

    Ding-f——g-Dong!

  45. Lune Prière says:

    Indeed.

  46. Lune Prière says:

    Very interesting. First thing I noticed was his 24 Libra moon. Mines 23 Cap and Saturn’s been beating up on it for forever (and Neptune too, Francis, rough huh?), and Uranus at 8 Libra. Saturn and Pluto for Paul “Let Them Eat Cake” Ryan.

  47. Lune Prière says:

    AND Sun-Venus square Saturn oppose Jupiter. And Neptune on his ascendant. That explains all the GOP boys and their man crushes on him, LOL.

  48. angellight says:

    YouTube Meditation & Talk on:

    “In regards to Betelgeuse, the Tibetan makes an interesting point when talking about some of the factors influencing humanity at this time. He states, “Influential and potent forces pouring in at this time from the great stars Betelgeuse and Sirius. To these two influences, the disciples of the world in the senior ranks of the New Group of World Servers definitely react, and they produce a stimulation of the heart centre (Betelgeuse) and the head centre (Sirius). The secondary effect of these energies is upon the mineral kingdom, particularly upon that peculiar product, gold, and that enigma, money.” (Esoteric Psychology, Vol. II, pp. 721)Therefore, this influence of the new moon conjoining Betelgeuse, could present an opportunity for us to work together to open our heart centers and, as a consequence, aid the Hierarchy in helping humanity to free up the financial resources of the planet and thus aiding in the restoration of the divine circulatory flow.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvg11p0KWhQ&feature=youtu.be


    http://www.kathynewburn.com

  49. angellight says:

    “more thoughts about that Venus Transit. It will soon inspire millions to build bridges, heal wounds, change attitudes and become more sensitive. And because Venus is as much a planet of wealth as of love, it will also show us new ways to overcome old economic problems”

    http://www.cainer.com

  50. clymela says:

    Watching Wisconsin frightens me. Also, I have in my own blood relations folk who are right-wing Evangelical Christians and these folks are marching to take over the world.
    What I fear is the number of human beings who may vote in Romney. The expression of racial hatred, the contempt for those who don’t have the resources to meet daily needs frightens me. I want to stay positive and I do notice that the right-wing seems to be gaining in strength daily.

  51. Noelle says:

    Boy, do I hope he is correct about Venus. Thank you, Angelight.

  52. pisca says:

    (from volcano to earthquake) Interesting discussion of 7-8 degree cardinal sign acting as trigger to major earthquakes:
    http://www.neptunecafe.com/2012earthquake.html
    Also the April/May issue of The Mountain Astrology

  53. angellight says:

    When Republicans say they do not raise Taxes, that is because they raise Fees instead! Clever!

    BuzzFeed: 24 Fees Romney Tried to Raise in MA:

    http://bit.ly/Mr1TiN

  54. alex says:

    MSNBC guest Scotus expert! said that he thinks 6/28 for Affordable Health Care Act;

  55. alex says:

    new Bloomberg poll Obama up 13 points over Mitt

  56. alex says:

    good catch!… quick note

    6/24/2012 Heliocentric peak – first exact UR sq PL

    Ceres @00 Gemini opposite Ryan ASC @00 Sagittarius

    Midpoint Pluto/Ceres @18 Virgo cnj Ryan MC @17 Virgo

  57. kiwi says:

    Happy solstice everyone!!

  58. Wennye' says:

    Wishing you the same sister Kiwi!

  59. will says:

    Indeed, Kiwi, Wenneye, Nancy, and all fellow Starlighters – Happy Solstice! Directly squares my sun, so I’ll be way, way chill today.

  60. clymela says:

    OH!! Thank You everyone and Happy Solstice right back at you. Truly this is the day I love. I love summer and the softness and richness. I just light up in the warmth and the sun. Hope everyone has a wonderful season and Will you are so correct-just chill. Maybe a Popsicle or other frozen treat?

  61. alex says:

    one more quick note – seems relevant

    Solar Arc Sun Ryan 2012 @21 Pisces

    cnj

    Natal Sun Romney @21 Pisces

    marriage of convenience

  62. Pat Sharp says:

    Yes CLymela, I had a Dole Rasberry popcsicle sitting among the lupines this afternoon.
    This young woman is a real heroine! http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=karQQb-B8Uk and……..
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/06/20/harvard-and-mit-create-edx-free-university-courses_n_1612143.html

  63. starlight says:

    Lorrie – Nice find on Paul Ryan!

  64. Jerry says:

    Although I agree with the above sentiments on the need for healing, the impression that the international financial imbalances can be resolved with some adept fortuitous waving of the magic wand is inconsistent with what all the experts are saying. At some point there will eventually have to be a radical adjustment as has happened throughout history when massive unsustainable debt is accrued. Debts that can never be paid back inevitably lead to default. At the present stage, as things stand, an economic collapse seems unavoidable. It’s just a matter of time. The real issue at stake and one that should be taken seriously can be summed up in just a few words……

    http://i47.tinypic.com/efrjht.jpg

  65. pam says:

    Fees for everything have gone up in NY and extra charges slipped in here and there, 25 in one place, 50 in another, all so they can say they aren’t raising taxes. And most of tis effects small businesses and the middle class.

  66. Sharon says:

    So that no one misses it—those are two separate links: the first is to the young woman and the second is an amazing announcement by Harvard. The Rasberry popsicle sounds grea5! We eat a lot of fruit ices here in New Orleans although, I’m happy to say, the temps remain in the mid-80s, the humidity isn’t too bad and when it’s breezy under the shade trees, it’s really delightful!

  67. alex says:

    Sidebar: FYI – just released

    http://www.salon.com/2012/06/19/new_nsa_docs_reveal_911_truths/singleton/

    EXCERPT

    Over 120 CIA documents concerning 9/11, Osama bin Laden and counterterrorism were published today for the first time, having been newly declassified and released to the National Security Archive. The documents were released after the NSA pored through the footnotes of the 9/11 Commission and sent Freedom of Information Act requests.

    The material contains much new information about the hunt before and after 9/11 for bin Laden, the development of the drone campaign in AfPak, and al-Qaida’s relationship with America’s ally, Pakistan.

    Perhaps most damning are the documents showing that the CIA had bin Laden in its cross hairs a full year before 9/11 — but didn’t get the funding from the Bush administration White House to take him out or even continue monitoring him.

    The CIA materials directly contradict the many claims of Bush officials that it was aggressively pursuing al-Qaida prior to 9/11, and that nobody could have predicted the attacks.

    “I don’t think the Bush administration would want to see these released, because they paint a picture of the CIA knowing something would happen before 9/11, but they didn’t get the institutional support they needed,” says Barbara Elias-Sanborn, the NSA fellow who edited the materials.

  68. angellight says:

    “Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign asked Florida Governor Rick Scott to tone down his statements heralding improvements in the state’s economy because they clash with the presumptive Republican nominee’s message that the nation is suffering under President Barack Obama, according to two people familiar with the matter.”

    http://bloom.bg/Mvs467

  69. angellight says:

    alex: Very interesting & enlightening information; and information, I think, that a lot of people already believed but could never prove.

  70. angellight says:

    Welcome, Noelle

  71. alex says:

    great information for SCOTUS:

    Symbol of American colonies Charter document

    USA Pluto 27 capricorn
    opposite
    USA Mercury 24 cancer

    Sovereignty – Declaration Independence

    SCOTUS enacted 9/24/1789 noon

    Scotus Hygeia 29 capricorn
    Scotus Kronos 29 capricorn
    (USA Pluto 27 capriorn)

    opposite

    Scotus Mars 24 cancer
    USA Mercury 24 cancer

    http://www.skyscript.co.uk/saturnmyth.html

    Kronos made the initial separation of heaven and earth, male and female, just as the astrological Saturn creates order and makes distinctions

    Keywords: Superiority: the highest quality attainable; the ultimate in authority; standard of excellence; undisputed expert

    http://www.astrologysoftware.com/resources/articles/getarticle.asp?ID=155

  72. starlight says:

    Rachel Maddow, as usual, hits it out of the park on the loony Fast and Furious conspiracy theories, and the Darrell Issa witch hunt. It turns out that right-wing gun nut/militia blogs have been cultivating conspiracy theories about how F&F is really a complicated ploy for Obama, Clinton, and Eric Holder to take away everyone’s guns. For a while only the true gun loons were into this stuff, but then FOX News mainstreamed it by giving voice to the militia guy who dreamed up the whole thing — a guy named Mike Vanderbeough, the same guy who incited vandalism against Democratic offices after the health care reform vote.

    And that’s what lead to the Issa witch hunt and all the rest. Basically, F&F is the new birtherism.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/#47898261

  73. herald says:

    No supreme court ruling today… Monday or tuesday!

  74. karen says:

    You beat me to it. Again, Rachel at her best, diving into all the seemingly obscure elements, wrapping and stringing it up with a big bow. More too from Rachel on the big elite disconnect, the distance of policy impact on the 99%. I’ve alluded to this before, that those pulling the social engineering strings (and all the rest) are living in a short-sighted universe that consists merely of instant wealth gratification.

  75. Nina Katarina says:

    And seven and three are both powerful symbolic prime numbers. Lots of fun.

  76. Nina Katarina says:

    Neptune right on his ascendant, which is at 0 Sag. The flimflam is strong in this one.

    Isn’t that often associated with a loose grip on reality?

  77. Nina Katarina says:

    Wait – that also means that Neptune has been squaring his ascendant. No wonder he has seemed messianic of late.

  78. DPH says:

    Rachel is a national treasure, and her cogent summations that open the show are without peer. The Fast and Furious segment last night was terrific.

  79. mooncookie0829 says:

    What’s in the stars for Eric Holder? I feel so bad that this is happening to him. If they have the contempt vote and it passes, what does this mean for Holder? Why does it look like the rich are winning?

  80. Lorrie U says:

    On MSNBC’s Martin Bashir, Julian Epstein feels this attempt against Holder will come to a losing battle for the Issa committee. The program began under Bush, was stopped by Holder, then he reassigned agents. A lot of the documents requested involve ongoing cases and have nothing to do with this operation. They have already been provided 7,000 pages and 11 witnesses, so this whole situation is considered a political exercise to undermine the Obama Administration.

  81. Lorrie U says:

    Fringy Fraud: Darrell Issa’s Fast and Furious Exposed

    Did you know that way back in mid 2011, it was alleged by multiple sources and backed up by briefing documents that Darrell Issa was briefed on the Fast and Furious on the very same issues he is now trying to hold Attorney General Eric Holder accountable for?

    http://www.politicususa.com/darrell-issa-fast-furious-didnt-stop.html

  82. alex says:

    drip drip drip… more information comes out – about time most of us have been waiting and waiting for this; NSA vs CIA/BUSH record and rhetoric… it’s stunning

  83. alex says:

    FYI:

    Mitt Romney’s latest ad asks: “What will be different about a Romney presidency?” As he has said himself, the best way to find that answer is to look at his record as governor of Massachusetts. Ironically, it is that record that proves Romney economics did not work in Massachusetts then, and it won’t work for America now.

    Here are the facts about Romney’s Massachusetts record that undermine the chief claims he makes in his ad.

    Claim: Romney will improve the economy.

    Fact: Romney’s economic performance as governor was “one of the worst in the country” on “all key labor market measures.” The state not only lagged behind the whole country, but it “often ranked at or near the bottom” of the states.

    Claim: Romney will address the nation’s deficit.

    Fact: Not only did spending increase by an average of 6.5 percent each year under Romney, but Massachusetts’ long-term debt increased by 16.4 percent, or $2.6 billion, under his watch. Even now, Romney is proposing tax cuts that favor the wealthy that could add as much as $5 trillion to the deficit over the next ten years.

    Claim: Romney’s leadership puts jobs first.

    Fact: Under Romney’s leadership, Massachusetts fell to 47th out of 50 states in job creation. Massachusetts only gained 1 percent in payroll jobs over his term, as compared to 5.3 percent gained in the nation as a whole. As an independent fact checker noted, “Romney’s jobs record provides little to boast about.”

    Under President Obama, the economy has seen 27 consecutive months of private sector job growth, but there is much more to be done. The difference between President Obama and a Romney presidency is that Romney will take the country back in the wrong direction.

    http://www.barackobama.com/truth-team/entry/romneys-latest-ad-is-refuted-by-his-massachusetts-record/

  84. Lorrie U says:

    Supreme Court Ready to Violate the Constitution Again With Obamacare Ruling

    Even under Obamacare, the SCOTUS cannot compel the president to eliminate or rewrite Obama care. Doing so would violate the Constitution. Funny thing, the so-called Constitution-loving teabaggers who are saying that Obamacare must be eliminated and by a group of politicians who listen to their command, are violating the Constitution themselves.

    http://www.politicususa.com/scotus-decide-obama-care-why-3.html

  85. will says:

    Now if we could only get Carney or someone else in the administration to spin it and set the record straight like Maddow – it is agonizing to see them not do this themselves. In the meantime, more damage to the Obama administration and to his re-election campaign. What does it take to get him to open his f——g mouth and come out swinging? Maddow certainly did, and with great aplomb.

  86. Fe says:

    From Joan McCarter at Daily Kos:

    House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi has strong suspicions about what’s really behind the Republicans’ efforts to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress.

    “It’s really important to note how this is connected with some of their other decisions. It is no accident. It is no coincidence that the Attorney General of the United States is the person responsible for making sure that voter suppression does not happen in our country, that issues that relate to the civil liberties of the American people are upheld,” Pelosi said.

    “These very same people holding in contempt are part of a nationwide scheme to suppress a vote. They are closely aligned with those who are suffocating the system, special interests, secret money, and they are poisoning the debate.

    There’s certainly precedent by Republicans taking extreme action to forward voter suppression. Remember the Prosecutor Purge in the Bush administration that eventually resulted in Alberto Gonzales’s resignation? That was entirely about voter suppression, which has morphed from a semi-secret, behind-the-scenes effort in the Bush Justice Department to a very public effort in multiple Republican state legislatures.
    The Justice Department under Barack Obama and Eric Holder has aggressively fought back against those efforts, suing Texas, South Carolina and Florida over those states’ new voting laws. The attack on Holder could certainly, at least in part, be payback.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/21/1101957/-Pelosi-Republican-attack-on-Holder-payback-for-voter-protection-efforts

  87. Jerry says:

    Syria Grounds Fighter-bomber Fleet For Fear Of More Defections

    DebkaFile
    June 21, 2012

    Bashar Assad Thursday night, June 21, ordered his entire Air Force fleet of fighter bombers grounded, for fear that more pilots might defect after Col. Hasan Merhi al-Hamadeh flew to Jordan aboard a MiG-21.

    Officials in Damascus noted that the same day was chosen by Washington to confirm that CIA officers were present in southern Turkey to help the Free Syrian Army rebels fight the Syrian government. Syrian officials are convinced that the defection of the pilot with his plane was organized by the Americans and that more are in the pipeline in an attempt to show the Syrian people and Arab world that even the Syrian air force, the part of the armed forces most loyal to Assad, was in fact slipping out of his hands.

    Continued……

    http://www.debka.com/article/22108/Syria-grounds-fighter-bomber-fleet-for-fear-of-more-defections

  88. Lorrie U says:

    LOBAL ELITES THROWN OUT OF ICELAND: Iceland Dismantles Corrupt Gov’t Then Arrests All Rothschild Bankers

    http://www.freedumbnation.com/?p=2369

  89. Lorrie U says:

    Should read “Global Elites…”

  90. arbo says:

    Rachel doesn’t have to be concerned with pleasing a varied electorate that appears to suffer from ADD. She’s paid to be provocative and has a progressive audience. And she was born on April 1st. None of this applies to Obama.

    The electorate that put him in the White House deserted him in 2010, preferring to work themselves into a snit because he didn’t give them everything they wanted in the first two years. And then they went back to their social networking, leaving him with a House full of crazy people.

    Who’s bigger, FOX News or Facebook? Why don’t they learn from Egypt and come out swinging and outshout the lies that the Republicans and the bought media are passing off as news? Don’t they have a part in the election process beyond waiting to get what they want?

  91. Shoalsister says:

    Love this! Thanks, Lorrie. Just imagine…

  92. Bob says:

    freedumbnation is to be right wing oriented. After opening the article click on “ABOUT” , top left of the page to read about it. At the bottom of the ABOUT page there are links to the “National Rifleman Association” and “United States Militia” among others.

    You might also find it interesting to click on the “BLOG” link and skim the page that opens. Further, click on the “Obama” link in the list on the right side of that page.

    For more to the story, here is another link. There may be other sources on the internet to help clarify or muddy the waters regarding the situation. No matter what a group says the passage of time will reveal that their actions speak louder than their words.

    http://www.indepthnews.info/index.php/global-issues/1008-iceland-seeks-way-out-of-crisis

  93. Bob says:

    In my last post I changed “appears” to “is” then forgot to delete “to be”.

  94. Bob says:

    I agree arbo.

    The Dems should have a group whose only job is to watch, read, and/or listen to every word put out by the Right, investigate all claims they make for their truthfulness or wrongness, identify the ones that are false, answer them with the facts proving they are false and identify them as and call them “LIES!” (stop playing nice, the Right just takes advantage, no more pussy-footing around) in all forms of media formats (print, videos, news releases for radio) over and over again to rightly hang the label of liar on them to the point that the rational public almost automatically identifies them as such.

    The lies seem to come on an almost daily basis. Let their rebuttal come as often. If done, I think (hope) that eventually those participating with the right wing would fall away, be less vocal, and perhaps less generous.

  95. Bob says:

    I left here and went to Huffington Post to be greeted by a sub-heading of “GOP BOTCHES FACTS”. It is the use of “nice” terms like ‘botches’, ‘misspoke’, ‘wrongly’, ‘mistakenly’, ‘erred’ and such, that should be replaced over and over again with “LIED”. Let the Right cry all they want about grievous, hardball tactics of calling them liars instead of using less acrimonious terms.

    Maybe they will stumble less frequently if the charge is made with persistence.

  96. Bob says:

    Many Threads – The following is off topic but inspiring. Only 1 minute and 16 seconds long.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=Q1WOZhsi9hU

  97. Jerry says:

    Hi Bob,

    Just for the sake of discussion, pictures (charts) can be informative, but sometimes they fail to capture ones imagination or interest. As an example of what might capture a persons interest; here’s a pictorial I put together on the spur of the moment – an exciting look at President Barack Obama’s life in various stages of development….

    Barack Obama/ A Pictorial Biography

    Being a precocious child he possessed a firm conviction that he was going places….

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_J9PlRvGGXS8/SwtAwmXiLpI/AAAAAAAACW0/yR1lFax6SZE/s1600/barack-obama-child.jpg

    He narrowly missed being drafted into the army at a very young age…..

    http://i47.tinypic.com/2akeiqt.jpg

    Continued……

  98. Jerry says:

    in order to pursue a degree in law (photo of Barack as a freshman in college)….

    http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2008/obama_youth/obama_youth_06a.jpg

    He applied himself diligently and eventually became a law professor teaching at the prestigious University of Chicago Law School…….

    http://obamadiary.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/candidates18b.jpg?w=655

    Continued…..

  99. Jerry says:

    Until one day he dropped out for a time (a case of academic burn-out) and experimented in the alternative life style of the rastafarian “man must know himself” philosophy. He learned how to play the guitar and sing and became a bit of a sensation composing popular ballads improptu while on stage (fictional)…..

    http://i46.tinypic.com/zn6hl3.jpg

    His wife, noting his his popularity with the public (lots of female admirers) and his potential as a public speaker; encouraged him to enter politics….

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/imagecache/embedded_img_full/image/image_file/stem_mentors_CK-0020_0.JPG

    Continued…..

  100. Jerry says:

    And the rest is history…..

    http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/44_01_21/4440_17682179.jpg

    After serving two terms as president, he was able to finally relax; spending time with his family, writing his memoirs and embarking on occasional speaking tours…..

    http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2716/4101612648_b7bfb9790b.jpg

  101. angellight says:

    “The GOP is willing to jeopardize the national community’s roads, rails and bridges. The GOP is willing to cost us up to 3 million jobs. Why? Because the right-wing insists on using this occasion to force the Keystone XL pipeline, a high priority for Big Oil and related production interests, like the Koch Empire. Three million jobs in a time of economic crisis is quite simply “not worth it” for the faction deepest in bed with the oil interests.”

    http://www.politicususa.com/wing-values-sponsor-tycoons-slashing-jobs-food-stamps.html

  102. surchin says:

    Thank you Bob, for sharing that clip about sportsmanship.
    We need more of that kind of compassion to come out from people, all people.

  103. Squallo says:

    ups here we go uranus pluto square

    Syria Shoots Down NATO-Member Turkey’s Military F-4 Jet

    Just when the geopolitical tensions in the middle east appeared to be abating, and Brent was on a gentle glideslope to whatever price will greenlight the NEW QE now that fears of an Iran war have been very much silenced, things change. Reuters reports that Syria shot down a Turkish warplane on Friday, according to Lebanon’s al-Manar television reported, “risking a new crisis between Middle Eastern neighbours already at bitter odds over a 16-month-old revolt against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.” “Syrian security sources confirmed to a Manar correspondent in Damascus that Syrian defence forces shot down the Turkish fighter jet,” the Hezbollah-owned channel said.”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/syria-shoots-down-nato-member-turkeys-military-f-4-jet

  104. Squallo says:

    Clinton says Turkey may invoke NATO’s Article 4 over Syrian tension

    20 April 2012 / TODAY’S ZAMAN, ANKARA
    US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has said that NATO member Turkey may invoke Article 4 of the alliance’s charter, which sees consultations among the member countries when the security of any parties involved, are in danger in regard to escalating tension along Turkey’s Syria border.

    http://www.todayszaman.com/news-278142-clinton-says-turkey-may-invoke-natos-article-4-over-syrian-tension.html

    Your orders Captain?

    ¡Prepare the Nachos!

  105. will says:

    The Hate Obama Machine

    Really brings what we are up against home; compelling clip with Zogby and Bill Press on his book.

    http://youtu.be/lHSpUJLkMkU

  106. kdez says:

    Fees are the new favorite thing for govt – they learned this from the banks.
    For example, I was pleased when my son got a “full scholarship” to a state school, until we realized that “tuition” is only 15% of the cost and the other 85% is “fees.” And that does not include room and board.

  107. DPH says:

    Colbert is brilliant!

  108. NEOBuckeye says:

    I read articles like the one linked below on Truthout about toxic fracking fluids leaking into our aquifers and poisoning our lands, and I wonder more and more about the future we are creating for ourselves. The US has hundreds upon hundreds of military bases around the world, supposedly to protect us from some unseen threat or another. We are absolutely terrified of another bin Laden or even a Julian Assange emerging from the shadows to threaten us. At the same time, we are already well on our way to destroying ourselves from the inside out faster and more thoroughly than they ever could. Profit at any cost–disaster capitalism–has triumphed over any consideration for maintaining our water and land, the very necessities of life itself. As a nation on the verge our our Pluto Return within a decade, we are totally insane.

    http://truth-out.org/news/item/9934-injection-wells-the-poison-beneath-us

  109. Squallo says:

    Mario Monti: we have a week to save the eurozone

    Italy’s prime minister, Mario Monti, has warned of the apocalyptic consequences of failure at next week’s summit of EU leaders, outlining a potential death spiral that could threaten the political and economic future of Europe.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jun/22/mario-monti-week-save-eurozone

    hmmm… uranus pluto square just two days off… I put my money on the syrian issue

  110. andre says:

    I think we are now entering the mother of all worldwide economic crises, to be accompanied by much civil unrest and possibly a major war. With so much on our plate, environmental survival cannot possibly be adressed in our time. I believe that will be up to the Neptune square Pluto era in the latter half of the century, when of course things will be much worse and much of North America’s present coastline will be under water.

  111. Squallo says:

    JUNE – THE HEART OF THE 2012 TRANSFORMATION

    Look away now if you want things to stay as they are! Between 24th June 2012 and 17th March 2015, all of your cherished beliefs about how things are will be thrown into chaos.

    Watch the first part of the month up to the11th then from the 20th onwards when the pressure will really ratchet up. Expect the Euro and Syria to be headline news…

    http://newmoonastrologyreadings.com/transits-past-and-present/cosmic-cycles-june-2012

  112. fierywoman says:

    mwah! THANK YOU FOR THIS.

  113. Squallo says:

    Turkey promises ‘decisive’ action after Syria shoots down its fighter jet

    Turkey threatened to take “decisive” action last night after Syria shot down one of its fighter jets, sparking fears that Nato could be drawn into a major confrontation with the Assad regime.

    Mr Erdogan promised that Turkey’s response would be both “decisive” and carried out with “determination”. Although he did not divulge what steps he was contemplating, a senior member of his ruling party had earlier declared that if the aircraft was shown to have been shot down by Syria it would amount to a “declaration of war”.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9350341/Turkey-promises-decisive-action-after-Syria-shoots-down-its-fighter-jet.html#

  114. Jerry says:

    The Syrian chart (September 16, 1941): http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Syria ……. has natal Mars at 23 ’07 Aries. The June 25th Saturn station (22 ’45 Libra) is forming a very close opposition.

  115. Sharon says:

    Oh my gosh…Erdogan IS a very determined man. Assad is crazy to allow that to happen if he had knowledge of it.

  116. Lorrie U says:

    Ha! Uranus-Pluto square #1 topples an iconic football legend and changes consciousness forever. Sandusky found guilty on 45 of 48 charges and minimum of 60 yrs. in prison. He will never see the outside again, and they plan on going after others who covered up what they knew.

  117. pam says:

    And the first time a member of the Catholic hierarchy has been convicted of coverup – same day too

  118. Lorrie U says:

    Ha! Another iconic organization takes a Uranus-Pluto hit. Maybe we should have a contest to see how many we can spot.

    TV Network Plagued By Allegations Of Family Coverups Of Rape And Embezzlement

    Two of the granddaughters of the cofounder of Trinity Broadcasting Network, the nation’s largest Christian TV network, are suing the network and their own family for allegations of wrongful termination over discovery of an embezzlement scheme and over a rape and coverup. The total allegations total 10s of millions of dollars.

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/06/22/christian-family-values/

  119. Jerry says:

    Hi Nancy,

    You wrote in your previous ‘Syrian Nightmare’ thread: “I did not use Syria’s chart in this post because there are more than one and I am not clear which one to trust.”

    There may be a relevant chart to consider. The date and time Bashar Al Assad took the oath of office as President of Syria. I cross referenced the data. It took place on Monday July 17, 2000 at 11 am local time. Refer to the following chart:

    http://i49.tinypic.com/2qu200m.gif

    Reviewing current aspects; transiting Jupiter at nearly 3 degrees Gemini is approaching its 12 year cycle return (exact June 27th) to this chart – conjunct tr. South Node in square to tr. Neptune (3 Pisces).

    Further afield into next month, we have the Assad swearing-in chart’s natal Sun at 25 Cancer conjoined by the July 19th New Moon. Just prior to that, on July 17th, the actual date of the Assad Swearing-in solar return will occur a dramatic Moon-Mars-Uranus-Pluto Grand Cross Square: Here’s the chart for July 17th….. http://i50.tinypic.com/33oif01.gif

    This leaves one to wonder whether hostilities in Syria will rapidly disintegrate into all-out civil war with the danger of dragging in other countries including NATO and possibly Iran into the fray. Mid July looks intense. What’s your sense of it?

  120. will says:

    Lorrie,

    This is a big hit to the Evangelist. The Trinity Broadcasting Station is on constantly, with one blubbering-through caked-lipstick and tears running through gutters of mascara cheap-chick for Jesus after another. If their message wasn’t so rigidly white, Rethuglican and un-godly, they’d be a great troupe of whore-clowns. The TBS “studio” is high-visibility and at the very heart of behind-the-Orange Curtain in Orange County, CA. Hope it gets lots of MSM coverage and then spontaneously catches fire.

  121. will says:

    Although this is a horrid story, I for one, am glad one of the Princes of the Church finally got pinched, once and for all. Its about time – and I happen to be a practicing Catholic – but Holy Mother Church needs a mighty delousing.

  122. Nick says:

    Will said,
    “blubbering-through caked-lipstick and tears running through gutters of mascara cheap-chick for Jesus after another. If their message wasn’t so rigidly white, Rethuglican and un-godly, they’d be a great troupe of whore-clowns.”

    I love it Will…. keep them coming. Pithy, Elucid and Eurdite.

  123. Jerry says:

    Here is one possible scenario that is cause for concern….

    Target: Syrian WMD/ U.S. concerned Israel may launch attacks on Syrian WMD sites

    The Washington Free Beacon
    June 22, 2012

    U.S. intelligence agencies are closely watching Israel’s military for signs it will conduct strikes on Syria’s stockpiles of chemical weapons, amid concerns the deadly nerve agents could fall under the control of Hezbollah or al Qaeda terrorists, U.S. officials said.

    Syria’s arsenal remains vulnerable as the result of the internal conflict currently underway in Syria between government forces and opposition rebels, one official said.

    Continued….

    http://freebeacon.com/target-syrian-wmd/

  124. angellight says:

    Lorrie U: Thanks for the Christian Family Values article. That is a good site.

  125. angellight says:

    Electric Autos11 & Why They Were Suppressed!

    http://www.slideshare.net/transitiongrove/electric-autos11 via @slideshare

  126. Prabhata says:

    Hi Jerry, below a story from Reuters. Methinks the downed plane was testing Syria’s air defense.

    Turkey deputy PM says downed jet not a warplane: TV

    ANKARA (Reuters) – Turkish Deputy Prime Minister Bulent Arinc said on Saturday a jet that was shot down by Syria a day earlier was not a warplane but a reconnaissance aircraft, state television TRT reported.
    It was not immediately clear where Arinc, who is one of four deputy prime ministers and also the government’s spokesman, was speaking. Turkish media reported the downed jet was an F-4 Phantom, a supersonic jet fighter which can also carry out reconnaissance operations.
    (Reporting by Jonathon Burch; Editing by Alison Williams)

  127. Prabhata says:

    I guess I’m not the only one who thought that Ankara was testing for NATO Syria’s air defense because RT is saying the same thing:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZZwE97pyvU&feature=youtube_gdata

  128. pisca says:

    As the Pope summons his Cardinals to discuss the “leaks” (and not the issues leaked), the nuns keep moving on!
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/23/1102499/-Why-The-Hierarchy-Fears-The-Nuns

  129. will says:

    Aw,shuck,Nick – there’s got to be some perks for being clinically-insane.

  130. Lorrie U says:

    Two Conservatives Try and Epically Fail to Take Down Rachel Maddow
    http://www.politicususa.com/conservatives-epically-fail-rachel-maddow.html

  131. Wennye' says:

    ha ha oh Will!

  132. fierywoman says:

    Touche’, Will !!!

  133. Jerry says:

    Hi Prabhatta,

    I can’t remember the source, but I read somewhere that these Turkish reconnaissance flights are fairly routine. Why this particular incident resulted in a missile being launched without going through the usual procedures and protocol of issuing a warning to an ‘intrusive’ aircraft is open to conjecture. The news agency Debkafiles sometimes reports interesting inside details on these things. They’re suggesting Syria with Russian assistance deliberately calibrated this attack to curtail Turkish spy flights off the Syrian coastline so that the Russian military hardware that’s being transported to Syria will not be as easily detected.

    Here’s the article….

    Newly-supplied Russian Pantsyr-1 anti-air missile used to down Turkish warplane

    To ambush the Turkish Air Force F-4 Super Phantom Friday, June 22, over Latakia Syria used Russian-made self-propelled medium range anti-air Pantsyr-1 missiles recently supplied by Moscow (not as first reported anti-air Buk-M2 missiles). This weapon can down aircraft flying at altitudes up to 12 kilometers and cruise missiles. The unit responsible for the ambush was the 73rd brigade of the Syrian army’s 26th Air Defense Division.

    Continued…..

    http://www.debka.com/article/22112/Newly-supplied-Russian-Pantsyr-1-anti-air-missile-used-to-down-Turkish-warplane

  134. Prabhata says:

    I think that the downed plane went beyond the “normal” line of intrusion, and that Turkey pushed the envelope, and tested Syria.

  135. Prabhata says:

    Hi, Jerry, Turkey is saying it was an “unintentional” mistake, but we know that Syria’s newly installed air defenses needed to be tested. Those planes are too sophisticated to make those kind of mistakes.

    Turkish President Abdullah Gul conceded Saturday that the F-4 Phantom aircraft downed Friday off the Syrian coast, apparently by a surface-to-air missile, may have wandered into Syrian airspace, but he said any such action was not “ill-intentioned” and was not unusual. — LA Times

  136. Prabhata says:

    Jerry, the last paragraph of my post above should be inside quotation marks and it’s an LAT embedded link. Btw, Syria is saying the plane was within a mile of its coast. If true, that’s not a little mistake.

  137. alex says:

    Mitt ‘Liar-in- Chief’, Vulture-Capitalist-in-Chief, OutSourcer-in-Chief of a great nation!

    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/articles/2012/06/24/the_story_behind_mitt_romneys_work_with_michael_milken_it_was_fun_while_it_lasted/

    Mitt and the junk bond king

    It was at the height of the 1980s buyout boom when Mitt Romney went in search of $300 million to finance one of the most lucrative deals he would ever manage. The man who would help provide the money was none other than the famed junk-bond king Michael Milken.

    It is one that Romney has rarely, if ever, mentioned in his two bids for the presidency, perhaps because the Houston based department store chain that Bain assembled later went into bankruptcy.

  138. NEOBuckeye says:

    andre,

    I think the entire 2060s, from the Neptune-Pluto square in 2061-2064, up to Pluto’s ingress into Aries in 2067 could be a particularly dramatic time for humanity. By then, I suspect we will have already passed the point at which we will no longer have the resources to continue “business as usual” as we know it today. This will be a manifestation time for better or for worse based upon the prior choices we have collectively made up to this point.

    Really, the whole period from the 2040s, including the Uranus-Pluto Opposition from Virgo to Pisces, the Saturn-Pluto conjunction in Pisces in the 2050s, up to the 2060s transits suggests a major historic turning point for the world and humanity. Resource and environmental concerns on a worldwide scale (Pisces) will likely be the ongoing theme at this time.

    It does worry me that people still think we can put off the necessary work that we really need to be doing now–and should have already done–until the very last moment, if at all. Selfishness may be at an extreme and historic high, but the people in the drivers seat today likely won’t be alive to deal with the consequences of their actions.

  139. Pat Sharp says:

    This is a wonderful guide for “what to do about this mess/”

    http://www.astrologypsychological.com/Uranus%20square%20Pluto%20PDF.pdf

  140. Jerry says:

    Hi Prabhatta,

    A Sunday update (24 hours later) has a more detailed account on the Turkish position and their findings…..

    Turkish Minister: Jet Downed in International Territory

    VOA
    June 24, 2012

    Turkey’s foreign minister says Syria shot down a Turkish fighter jet while the aircraft was flying in international airspace.

    Ahmet Davutoglu told state-run TRT television Sunday the pilots were testing the jet’s radar capabilities when it was downed Friday over the Mediterranean Sea. The minister says the plane had entered Syrian airspace briefly, but had left about 15 minutes before it was shot down.

    NATO says its envoys will meet with Turkish officials Tuesday to discuss the matter. The international alliance says Turkey requested the consultation.

    On Saturday, Turkish President Abdullah Gul said the fighter jet may have violated Syria’s air space, but he said it is “routine” for warplanes flying at high speed to cross borders for short distances.

    Continued…..

    http://www.voanews.com/content/turkish-minister-jet-downed-in-international-territory/1246484.html

  141. Francis says:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/10/magazine/liberals-are-ruining-america-i-know-because-i-am-one.html?pagewanted=all

    Liberals Are Ruining America. I Know Because I Am One.

    excerpt:

    This, to be blunt, is the tragic flaw of the modern liberal. We choose to see ourselves as innocent victims of an escalating right-wing fanaticism. But too often we serve as willing accomplices to this escalation and to the resulting degradation of our civic discourse. We do this, without even meaning to, by consuming conservative folly as mass entertainment.

    snip

    But the real problem isn’t Limbaugh. He’s just a businessman who is paid to reduce complex cultural issues to ad hominem assaults. The real problem is that liberals, both on an institutional and a personal level, have chosen to treat for-profit propaganda as news. In so doing, we have helped redefine liberalism as an essentially reactionary movement. Rather than initiating discussion, or advocating for more humane policy, we react to the most vile and nihilistic voices on the right.

  142. Francis says:

    Thank you Pat for posting these. I enjoyed the astrologypsychological article greatly.
    Happy Square :)

  143. karen says:

    The subject of learning to achieve a listening, non-judgmental state of openess was part of our conversation last night. (It’s always curiously poignant when the topic is reflected elsewhere, such as this, Francis.)

    I’ve achieved only a modicum of the above. When this occurs I learn far more than I otherwise would when I’m being reactive. Those reactive moments are instructive, however. They almost NEVER work toward resolution or “enlightenment.”

  144. Stefanie says:

    Greetings friends, a few hours after the exact first hit of Pluto/Uranus. I’m curious to hear how everyone is feeling, both mentally and physically. In the last week, I’ve experienced massive floating anxiety, insomnia, and scariest — heart palpitations. The worst was Thursday night, but it’s continued and woke me up in the middle of the night last night, about 20 minutes before the exact square. Anyone else feelings weird bodily symptoms, or am I dying (said the hypochondriac with Pluto in Virgo the 12th house). :>)

  145. Stefanie says:

    PS – being an energy intuitive SUCKS sometimes.

  146. Teresa Hill says:

    Stephanie,
    Something helpful for heart palpitations: Take your right hand and wrap your fingers around your left pinkie and hold gently.
    It’s an energy medicine/acupuncture/meridian trick. The left pinkie is the end of the heart meridian. You can help drain excessive energy from the heart meridian by holding the left pinkie. Hold and close your eyes and imagine that excess energy flowing from the heart down your left arm and out the pinkie, like it’s as easy as exhaling. In fact, see that energy going as you exhale. You might give the excess energy a color and see that color draining down your arm and out your pinkie.

  147. Lorrie U says:

    Thanks for posting these, Pat!

  148. Lorrie U says:

    Excellent post, Francis, with some great advice. The conundrum is finding those on the right willing to engage in genuine dialogue. They have been so brainwashed that they can only feel comfortable within their own ideology. I have personally committed myself to not being an enabler of their misinformation and continue to send fact-based rebuttals. What they do with them is on them, but hopefully a seed gets planted that might make a difference one day.

  149. Stefanie says:

    Thank you SO much, Teresa!! I will do this right now.

  150. will says:

    Its been a very demoralizing, draining week for me, personally, Stephanie. But I am fairly clear of the direct Uranus/Pluto square in my chart- is your Aries sun close to this transit by square or conjunction?

    Teresa Hill,

    Thank you for the heart meridian over-flow technique.

    Stephanie, there are so many reasons for anyone to feel panic and palpitations in our age of anxiety. I figure it in as part of our every-day experience. Maybe something closer-to-home and personal is causing this?

    Vaya con Dios

  151. clymela says:

    thank you so much for this Teresa!! Perhaps this will help with my A-Fib condition.Stephanie-I imagined that you were feeling what is going on for so many where bombs are dropping and fires are sprouting up.