People Power Ignites

One of the biggest shifts in the modern world, growing exponentially during the past year, has been the burgeoning potency of People Power. Of course, there have always been demonstrations, and sometimes even riots, to protest the unjust policies of the strong and well-connected. But these brief moments of citizen outrage only infrequently engendered real change. More commonly, a few paragraphs might be allotted in the local or even national newspapers, and then the story would vanish from the face of the Earth, as if it had never been.

With the advancements of recent communications technology, however, there has been a revolutionary tipping of the scales toward the masses, a sea-change in both reach and effectiveness when the many choose to push back against the agenda of the few. In numerous situations in the past year, twitter, Facebook, the blogs, and cable news were effectively harnessed by inspired citizens to generate huge protests of significant clout and duration. In the US, we have seen Bank of America back down from newly-instigated fees, Occupy Wall Street change the narrative about wealth in the country, hundreds of sponsors flee from Rush Limbaugh, recall elections take hold in Wisconsin, and, currently, a fury sweeping the nation that is forcing federal, state, and local investigations into the murder of Trayvon Martin. In Northern Africa and the Middle East, we have seen governments overthrown and dictators toppled because the people in those beleaguered nations were able to stay connected and support each other through twitter, cell phones, and Facebook. It seems clear that with these profound developments in social media and technology, the balance of power in our world will never be the same.

In astrology, Uranus is the planet of swift transformation, when a moment of awakening leads to an entirely new path forward. Traditionally, it is also known as the “higher octave of Mercury”, thus taking the realm of communication, Mercury’s domain, to the lightning speed of modern technology. Uranus, as the ruler of Aquarius, further signifies bringing diverse people together for a common purpose while based in the precepts of equality and freedom. It is not inconsequential that this planet was discovered in 1781, in synchronicity with the birth of the United States and the French Revolution.

Briefly, in the summer of 2010 and then fully as of March 2011, Uranus moved into Aries, the first sign of the zodiac. Thus began an entirely new 84-year cycle in how the Uranian energy would manifest, heralding a paradigm shift in the world of technology and communications and how people would work together for common cause.

But Uranus is not only in the early degrees of Aries. It is moving relentlessly into its first quarter square with Pluto, most potent from 2011 through 2015. This most recent chapter of the Uranus/Pluto cycle may be understood by a look back at its birth in the 1960’s, the time of the conjunction of these two behemoths and a period of great tumult and transformation throughout the world. In the US, this planetary configuration brought with it the Great Society of President Lyndon Johnson, which included the Voting Rights Act and other civil rights legislation, as well as the birth of Medicare and Medicaid. Also born under the umbrella of the 1960’s Uranus/Pluto conjunction was the Women’s Movement, including the first widespread use of birth control pills (originally approved in 1960) and, towards the end of this time of ferment, the legalization of abortion (Roe v. Wade 1973). The politicization of an entire generation due to the anti-Vietnam War Movement was additionally of great significance in that era.

Almost all of these issues are being revisited today, but with the benefit of nearly 50 years of societal evolution, as the Uranus/Pluto cycle now builds into the high tension of its first quarter square. The voting rights of minorities, students, and the elderly have been challenged in numerous states with new voting laws;  conservative state governments have attempted to limit contraception and abortion;  House Republican legislators have passed budgets that would greatly weaken, if not dismantle, Medicaid and Medicare as we know it; and most recently,  the death of an innocent black teenager has sparked national outrage over racial profiling and callous police dismissiveness of the murder.

In every one of these circumstances, the equality and freedom-minded grass roots movements (Uranus), aided by the revolutionary advances in social media (Uranus in Aries), are vehemently pushing back against those who want to dominate and control (Pluto), using hidden reservoirs of money (Pluto), and often inspired by a fanatical agenda (Pluto). These and related stories will continue to swamp the national dialogue and create a massive public outcry during the coming four years as the epic struggle designated by the square between Uranus and Pluto continues to unfold.

172 comments

  1. margriet says:

    Hi Starlight,

    I saw your analysis on the French elections just now. I’m not happy with your outcome, but thank you anyway for the article. You could be right; Sarkozy is getting a bit more support these days, and competition for Hollande is becoming more in the person of the leader of a further left wing socialist, I think his name is Melenchon. Sarkozy fired 20-30.000 elementary school teachers in the country. Actually, there is nobody who really looks like a good alternative, perhaps only Francois
    Bayrou, a guy in the middle. But that’s merely based on a hunch.
    Thanks!

  2. will says:

    Starlight,

    Your People Power Ignites is both uplifting and emboldening – both qualities I particularly needed today. I can almost feel a vice-like quality around me these days – as if everything is building to a kind of, crescendo-of-awfulness.

    From time-to-time I am courted and entertained by friends and associates who are counted amongst the much-written and spoken about 1%. When this occurs,a fantasy world unfurls before and a faux sense of security, exclusivity, ease, comfort envelope me. It is as if as if I am strolling through the field of poppies in the Wizard of Oz – everyone seems to be in a state of slow-motion self-indulgent bliss where there doesn’t seem to be an inkling of discomfort. Excess in various forms is in plain view; jewelry, sparkling goblets of wines paired with molecular cuisine on exquisite china and shimmering candle-light are the current must-have dining experiences commonplace to these elites as they nonchalantly pass their Am Ex Black Cards ($2500 annual fee) to square for their obscenely expensive tabs totally several thousands of dollars for a table of four or six people. And then, air-kisses from newly-created faces and lips and I am once again immersed into the 99% struggling serfdom. Wonderful, bright, educated and skilled friends are losing their homes, their livelihoods, their cars are being repossessed and some of them have even sublet their apartments. Most of the people who seem to be in the worst shape are white, formerly upper-middle or middle class. Many of them do not have health insurance any more. Because they are in a kind of middle-gray area, most do not qualify for social services, food stamps, Medicare or Medical. Something indeed is very, very wrong with this and it all needs to change. Frankly, I am so ready to slay this beast and to see it slain well. Hasta la causa. Carpe diem.

    It is also interesting to note that one of the finest astrologers of our time was born with a Uranian-ruled Aquarian sun. God knows what she is doing.

  3. will says:

    That’s God knows what She is doing.

  4. will says:

    So I happened upon this “Celebrity Match” feature of the horoscope section for the Chicago Tribune; just to pass time and have some fun I plugged in my birthday and year. My very best match with a female celebrity match: Annie Lennox. My best match for a male: President Barak Obama. For reals!

  5. starlight says:

    will – Are you not in the early murmurings of Saturn on your Saturn/Neptune conjunction, second strike? Long deep breaths and lots of meditation…

    You might check out the newly released Hunger Games. It describes the early rumblings of the revolution (part one of three). We saw it last night. Lots of food for thought. A brilliant allegory.

  6. will says:

    Nancy,

    Funny you should ask – yes, within a 2-degree orb -and Venus is squaring my Pluto – direct hit today. Its been a tough few days – but this too shall pass. Thank you for the reminder.

  7. starlight says:

    Re: the article I wrote, I wanted to put the Trayvon Martin story into a larger context. I think it sparked such a reaction because we are so close to the Uranus/Pluto square. Clearly, there have been many other horrifying stories of police coverups or indifference over the years, many other examples of faux “self-defense” excuses for killing, etc. Why this one? Why now? I think it is the tension in the square bringing things to a head. On the one hand, making the GOP more extreme than ever (Pluto), and on the other, making people aware of the injustices and motivated to fight them (Uranus).

  8. Fe says:

    We started our coverage on Trayvon on Thursday. This killing has really hit a deep nerve, an unresolved symptom in America.

    Here’s the link:

    http://planetwaves.net/pagetwo/fe-911-2/america-what-time-is-it/

  9. starlight says:

    Great article, Fe!! Thanks for posting it here.

  10. kdez says:

    When I feel discouraged, I compare the murder of Trayvon Williams to that of Emmitt Till in the sixties; and the killings of Afghani villagers by Sgt. Bales to the My Lai Massacre in Vietnam. The current incidents are terrible, but in terms of both the scale of these crimes and the response to them, it seems we *have* advanced.

    Here’s hoping the Uranus-Pluto square is not as savage as the conjunction.

  11. will says:

    Thank you for daring to utter the unspeakable truth regarding the Out-FOX-ing of the middle-class American. The Fox Network’s ability to twist and spin the facts and otherwise hypnotize a huge swath of this nation’s voters is a Mephistophelian master-stroke. Like all things evil, there are threads of truth which run through the otherwise whole-cloth of Fox Falsehoods – and that is the fatal hook that snags the Masses-in-the-Middle of the bell-curve in our electorate. One of the key components of evil is laziness and most people are indeed too lazy or willfully self-deceived to dig just a little deeper for the truth. But sloth and denial come at the dreadful cost of more pain and suffering down the road. Sadly, the devotees of Bill O and Rush and Hannity need to suffer deeper and longer before they are willing to snap out of it. In the meantime, it is the misfortune of those of us who have not fallen under the spell of the UN-Kool-Aide to see our our brethren continue to follow the folly of Faux News to their own and the nation’s peril.

  12. Jerry says:

    Hi Nancy,

    About the Trayvon Martin controversy: looking at it through the lens of an astrological perspective I wonder if a connection can be made to Neputunes recent ingress into Pisces conjunct Chiron (the wound that never heals – re: racial injustice). The February 21st new moon conjoined the 0 degree Neptune and Chiron on Feb 22. The shooting occurred just 4 days later. Here’s an article that might be pertinent. …

    2012 Time of Pisces
    February 23, 2012
    by astronée

    The year is 2012. The month is February. The Sun is in the sign of Pisces. So are the Moon, Mercury, Neptune and Chiron. I’m setting down these facts because the energy of Pisces is foggy and ethereal. Things like facts, borders, boundaries, and structure tend to drift away. Case in point: I meant to write this post on Tuesday, when the New Moon was sitting almost exactly between Chiron and Neptune.

    Continued….

    http://astronee.wordpress.com/2012/02/23/2012-time-of-pisces/

    And in a related news article this is a very interesting read because it underscores the Neptunian theme in how the lines of discrimination can become blurred and distorted:

    Trayvon Martin’s Death Has Put Spotlight On Perceptions About Hoodies

    Washington Post
    March 26, 2012

    “Did you see what he was wearing?” asked the voice.

    “A dark hoodie, like a gray hoodie,” George Zimmerman told the 911 operator moments before he shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, whom he described as “real suspicious.”
    investigation of the fatal shooting of a Florida teenager, and calls for Congress to examine “Stand Your Ground” laws.

    Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., tells Norah O’Donnell on “Face the Nation” he will ask the Justice Department to increase its investigation of the fatal shooting of a Florida teenager, and calls for Congress to examine “Stand Your Ground” laws.

    Out of tragedy, the utilitarian hooded sweatshirt, which first gained popularity in the 1930s as a practical pullover for workingmen, has emerged as a Rorschach test of racial perceptions.

    Continued….

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/trayvon-martins-death-has-put-spotlight-on-perceptions-about-hoodies/2012/03/24/gIQAwQ6gaS_story.html

  13. Azizi says:

    Correction: Fourteen year old Emmit Till was brutally murdered in August 28, 1955.

    From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Till

    “Tens of thousands attended his funeral or viewed his casket and images of his mutilated body were published in black magazines and newspapers, rallying popular black support and white sympathy across the U.S. Intense scrutiny was brought to bear on the condition of black civil rights in Mississippi, with newspapers around the country critical of the state. Although initially local newspapers and law enforcement officials decried the violence against Till and called for justice, they soon began responding to national criticism by defending Mississippians, which eventually transformed into support for the killers. The trial attracted a vast amount of press attention. Bryant and Milam were acquitted of Till’s kidnapping and murder, but months later, protected against double jeopardy, they admitted to killing him in a magazine interview. Till’s murder is noted as a pivotal event motivating the African-American Civil Rights Movement.”…

    That page says that Emmitt Till was murdered because he was “flirting with a white woman” in a convenience store. All other accounts I have read indicate that Emmittt Till was whistling (perhaps at the woman or perhaps not).

    But kdez, regarding your central comment that “The current incidents are terrible, but in terms of both the scale of these crimes and the response to them, it seems we *have* advanced”, note that that article indicates that the murder of Emmitt Till rallied “Black and White sympathy”. So the groundswell of sympathy for Trayvon Martin and his family isn’t anything new.

    When racial profiling MURDERS of dark skinned males and to a somewhat lesser degree dark skinned females stop occuring so routinely in the USA, when police departments like Sanford, Florida have no regard for race or economic class, and stop being covering up wrongful actions (including the wrongful actions of other police officers), when laws such as stand your ground aren’t enacted & applauded by right wing politicians and their followers, then I might agree with your point that “we” have advanced. But as things are now, I can’t agree that things are all that different than they were in 1955 and before that date with regard to race and class, and the privileges that come with being White and particularly White and well to do.

  14. Jerry says:

    Typo Error: I copied and pasted the the first two paragraphs of the above Wash Post article but inadvertently in doing so, I copied the caption to a video clip as well. My apologies (a Neptunian slip-up).

  15. Azizi says:

    I think that “economic class” may be relevant in the way the Sanford, Florida police department handled this case because of the report that I read (whose title/online link I didn’t document) indicated that George Zimmerman’s father (who is White Jewish) is reported to be a magistrate, and his mother (a Latina from Peru) worked in the courts.

    If that information is correct, did the father’s position (and also maybe the father’s race) in particular influence how the police treated George Zimmerman? I believe so.

  16. Mayfly says:

    Love your Wizard of Oz poppy fields analogy.

  17. Jerry says:

    I meant to highlight one particular paragraph in Renee’s 2012 A Time of Pisces article that to me was quite striking and poignant……

    “…….But there’s another side to Pisces. As with every planet and sign, there is an entire spectrum of energies. My favorite part of this mystical, spiritual sign is the dissolution of identities. In the ocean of Pisces, we are not white people and black people, or Jews and Christians, or Americans and Europeans, or even men and women. We are people. Like Sting said in his song, If The Russians Love Their Children, Too, “…we share the same biology, regardless of ideology…” And we share biology, not only with humans, but with every living thing on the Earth. When we exhale, we give a gift of carbon dioxide to the trees and plants. When they exhale, they provide us with the oxygen we need to survive. Our world is an intricate web of symbiosis, so vast and mostly unseen, that we tend to forget its nature. The energy of Pisces, especially with Neptune in Pisces, can bring us back to the feeling, the knowing, that we are all connected.”

  18. Jerry says:

    It could be argued another aspect to Neptune’s ingress in Pisces is substantially represented by the price of oil and its indirect effect on the economy. In its first swing into Pisces in March of last year Newscope noted “…Neptune enters its own sign Pisces on the 4th, beginning an extended passage that lasts through January 2026.

    Geopolitically, Neptune here likely signifies the last-gasp reign of oil as the world’s dominant energy supply, as well as the final chapter of the world’s faith-based patriarchal religions that belong to the receding Age of Pisces.”

    After back-tracking into Aquarius in retrograde motion later on in the year, we are now experiencing the second Neptune ingress in Pisces as of early Feb and its beginning to have a substantial impact….

    Iran Sanctions Cause New Oil Shock

    New Straits Times
    March 26, 2012

    PAIN AT THE PUMP: Prices hit a record high this month, putting global growth at risk, says Richard Lein.

    TIGHTENED sanctions by the West have yet to dissuade Iran from pursuing its controversial nuclear programme but have caused an oil price spike that could trigger a global recession.

    Oil prices hit a record high in euro terms earlier this month and analysts now believe they may have already dragged the eurozone into recession.

    New sanctions by the United States and European Union against Iran have ratcheted up tensions and the price of oil as traders worry about the risk of hostilities, including an attack by Israel on Iranian nuclear facilities.

    US President Barack Obama conceded on Friday that tensions over Iran were “adding a US$20 (RM62) or US$30 premium to oil prices”, which are up some 20 per cent since December.

    Continued……

    http://www.nst.com.my/opinion/columnist/iran-sanctions-cause-new-oil-shock-1.65949

  19. Fe says:

    The last time Neptune was in Pisces was during the Gold Rush, and the active and growing abolition and Women’s suffrage movement — 1848. there were also social revolutions in Europe leading to cultural shifts.

  20. will says:

    ooops -above post intended for a whole different thread – but I guess it still has merit here. Blame it on my Neptune/Saturn conjunct being activated.

  21. will says:

    I concur, Nancy. And it is a politcally-sensitve issue specifically for PBO – he’s damned if he makes waves on this and he is damned if he doesn’t. David Gregory was artfully evil in his attempt to corner President Obama’s cabinet member today on Meet the Press. If PBO gives a proper amount of juice to this murder, he is seen as “too Black,” “too liberal” and radical. If he doesn’t, he’s seen as cowardly, pro-establishment or is guilty skirting the race card during an election year.

    David Gregory is no friend of this president – he barely conceals his contempt for President Obama. Just sayin.

  22. will says:

    Fe,

    “As a woman and a person of color, it’s hard not to feel both deflated by and scared of this trend in our current events. That politicians, getting the cue from the 2008 Republican Presidential campaign and the rise of Sarah Palin, feel now in the 2012 campaign that they have the permission to conjure mob hatred, fear, prejudice and misogyny because it makes them electable. What the hell, it works. The mob in turn, feels they have permission to give their darkest instincts room to grow. Enter George Zimmerman. Enter Rick Santorum.”

    Bravo! Bravo! Bravo!

  23. starlight says:

    It may be hard to separate out what is Neptune in Pisces and what is Uranus/Pluto. The previous Uranus/Pluto conjunction to the one in the 1960’s was around 1850-51. So all of the revolutions at that time and the transformation they invoked are very tinged with that conjunction.

  24. starlight says:

    will – Every week I yell at the TV when David Gregory is on. His very transparent and shallow “gotcha” questions make me ill. I wish they would get a real interviewer not someone who is constantly trying to one-up the interviewee, especially if he or she is a Democrat. Ugh!!

  25. catsandmusic says:

    Starlight–I don’t know how you stand to watch David Gregory every week. I never watch him, but I knew Rachel was going to be on yesterday, so I turned the show on. It was nauseating watching him try to trip up David Plouffe.

  26. Jackson says:

    Gregory should go back to what he does best: Slow dancing with Karl Rove.

  27. starlight says:

    I only watch when there is someone I want to see on, like Plouffe or Rachel. But the stupid questions he asked Plouffe made me crazy.

  28. Francis says:

    If I may add a queer perspective to the topic: one of the other developments of the Ur-Pl conjunction of the 60s was the gay liberation movement which grew out of the women’s liberation movement and the sexual revolution. With the square I could envision homophobia in the public’s eye, but in a way that reveals homophobia as the expression of a person’s inner struggle with their own unresolved issues, as either attraction to the same sex or as unresolved trauma from childhood sexual abuse. I’m talking here of the rabid homophobia of the mainstay of the media’s anti-gay spokespeople like Tony Perkins and Maggie Gallagher, the people who have been obsessed for decades with homosexuality. The Catholic Church is also in the mix, as a very large number of their clergy is oriented sexually toward their own sex, but it is fought against rather than integrating homosexuality in a healthy way. I think we are beginning to realize that straight people are not driven and obsessed with homosexuality and that when people or institutions are that obsessed (Pluto) it is because they are likely homosexual themselves. That realization will shift mass consciousness about LGBT people.

  29. Wennye' says:

    Francis, many, many friends of mine gay and straight have made this same point..Blessings, Wennye’

  30. starlight says:

    Francis – Thanks for adding that. So far there has not been a big story about gay bashing or homophobia that has made the news in the past few months. Let us hope one doesn’t appear. Maybe someone’s personal story of coming out will strike a chord, like a Ken Mellman. Or maybe just a story on how easy ending DADT was despite all the screaming before hand.

  31. Wennye' says:

    Uranus is entering my 9th house and to welcome this energy, I changed my voicemail greeting from the usual to “When voting in 2012 THINK! Are you voting against your own self interests, are you monatarily, socially, racially, sexually a minority THINK before you vote” I cannot afford to donate all the time but I can and will raise my voice to awaken the politically dead in my world. Brothers and Sisters we are our own C-Pac with what we have..US..Blessings and Guidance by our Eternal Parent, Wennye’

  32. Sharon says:

    Excellent, Wennye! Occupy!

  33. Fe says:

    They say that the reverberations three years before and three years after an exact Uranus-Pluto conjunction can be almost as intense as the exact, so we have the run-up to the acceleration of the revolutionary spirit coming in and phasing out — slowly, afterwards.

  34. Lunagardener says:

    Thanks Fe. Good info.

  35. Lunagardener says:

    Blessings Wennye’ …

  36. Francis says:

    nice! Very nice!

  37. Lune Prière says:

    He’s one of the worst. This video tells me all I need to know about this hack.
    http://www.dailykos.com/tv/w/000791/

  38. will says:

    I take some refuge to learn you have some of the same impressions of David Gregory. He happened to have disclosed that his wife is a high-ranking officer in the armed services. I would wager this is a Repug DINK household. Strange dude. Maybe she does a Lou Gossett Jr. to his Richard Geer in Officer and a Gentleman.

  39. NEOBuckeye says:

    Fracking has been a gold rush of sorts… A fools gold rush.

  40. NEOBuckeye says:

    I’ve long believed this about the churches–Protestant and Catholic. They protest the legalization of gay marriage a little too much for it not to be a distraction from their own deep sexual fears, resentments and insecurities.

  41. will says:

    Great insight, NeoBuckeye. Its cognitive dissonance in full tilt boogie.

  42. cimbalok says:

    Lynn Hayes of Astrodynamics.net had a good analysis on the Trayvon Martin case but for some reason (Mercury or Mars Rx, or her simply taking it down) it is gone.

  43. teresahill says:

    Starlight,
    Susan Miller says the Supreme Court expected to announce health care ruling near June 23, Uranus and Pluto at extreme odds, expect riots.
    Not sure where she got that date. I hadn’t seen one yet.

  44. starlight says:

    Teresa – Thank you for finding that!!! Through the morning of June 26th, Obama has tr Jupiter conjunct his Moon. Super upbeat aspect!! The 23rd is a Saturday,so no announcement then. The 22nd has the Sun conjunct Obama’s Venus, also super good. So if this date is close to accurate, we are good. Mars is also semisquare O’s Sun, which is fine alongside the other aspects mentioned.

    If another later date comes up, please let us know.

  45. Roderick says:

    Zimmerman’s father is a former judge and George is a law enforcement buff who obviously has many friends in the Sanford Police Department.

  46. shoalsister says:

    Fool’s gold, indeed. I’m watching this unfold in the Eagle Ford shale “play” being jumped on here in Texas…a large swath running from Mex to the Arkansas border. It passes right across our family ranch (but we are in the ‘dry gas’ region, and the booty is 20,000 feet down – no riches here unless desperation sets in, and by then…maybe we’ll be a smarter species?) Meanwhile they are fracking the hell out of the area just north (by mere miles). Already, two years in, there are toxins showing up in well water, earthquakes, torn up roads, small towns dealing with running out of water (drought and fracking are not a good combo!), housing shortage, huge increase in prostitute population, strip joints popping up everywhere. But, by golly, it’s a Boom! and money is flowing! and Rick Perry got his job creation (until the damage is done and everyone goes home with bulging pockets) Drill Baby Drill. Fool’s gold, indeed!!!

  47. kiwi says:

    got an interesting email this morning from Hay House promoting a new book from Ohio congressman Tim Ryan – A Mindful Nation
    http://www.amindfulnation.org/

  48. teresahill says:

    Hi,
    Honestly, I didn’t think they gave you a date when they would announce their decision. I thought it just took as long as it took, and you waited. A few months at least, maybe more.

    Ahh, okay, searched some more. This term of the court ends at the end of June. Then they take a break and a new term of the court starts in August or September.
    So I guess they announce their rulings on the cases they’ve heard that term before that term ends. They’ll have new clerks as the new term begins, and the clerks do the research and write the decisions, the justices directing them and overseeing everything. So I guess they’ll want the same clerks who were with them hearing the cases, doing the research, writing the decisions before their term is up.

  49. Francis says:

    fabulous sleuthing!! Do you have a good Scorpio or Pluto?

  50. teresahill says:

    Former newspaper reporter, twenty years ago actually. I like figuring things out. And it’s so much easier now, with the internet, than it was when I was a reporter.

  51. Jerry says:

    Israel To Strike Iran In Three Months?

    RT (Russia Today)
    March 24, 2012

    As Washington and Tel-Aviv continue to debate the possibility of a preventive attack against Iran’s nuclear facilities, there are some indications that Israel may strike in as soon as three months.

    ­Defense minister, Ehud Barak, says that if Israel plans to attack Iran it should act quickly, DEBKA-NET-Weekly’s sources say. Barak spoke of a three-month deadline for Iran to give up its nuclear ambitions.

    Meanwhile former Mossad chief Meir Dagan has said that Israel will know when Iran moves to the stage of nuclear weapon production, such as enriching uranium to a degree of 90 per cent, the Haaretz newspaper reports.

    However, speaking at an event in Haifa on Wednesday, Dagan said that Israel must not attack Iran for the time being, and that a preventive strike should be the last resort. He said the Israeli Air Force has the capability to significantly damage Iran’s nuclear facilities but admitted that such an attack would have serious repercussions.

    Continued……

    http://rt.com/news/iran-israel-strike-nuclear-356/

  52. Jerry says:

    So……. If Israel decides to go ahead and take out those Iranian nuclear installations in June, what exactly does that entail? There are a number of hypotheticals floating around.
    Here’s one analysis……

    Israel Attacks Iran Nuke Sites/ Post Assessment
    Editorial and Opinion by Russ Maggio

    Feb 16, 2012

    Hopes that the Iranian government leadership will soon happily stun the world with a welcome announcement can be relegated to the realm of pipedreams and naïve wishes. Let’s suppose that tomorrow Iran’s supreme leader Ali Khameini announces that Ali Larjani or another chosen change of face is appointed to replace Mahmoud Ahmadinejad pending new elections. The intention will be to cooperate with new IAEA guidelines and lead Iran to increased economic cooperation and prosperity for the greater good of the people of the republic. A warmer tone is taken toward Israel and western countries. Iran wants peace and covertly sends agents to whisper to the West that it will dismantle terrorist networks.

    Yes, a pipedream, but many would like to see Iran grasp for the out card for the reality of what is actually coming. Here is the bleak forecast for the strike on Iranian nuclear facilities and possible scenarios in the aftermath.

    *Depending on weather and the schedule of meetings of Israeli leaders on or about June 18th 2012 Israeli jets cross into Iran and strike facilities in Bushehr, Fordow, Natanz, Qom, Parchin and as well as other sites. The raid succceeds in nominal loss of Israeli jets and the Iranian nuclear program is left in shambles.

    *Iran declares war on Israel and threatens to strike all nations aiding them. They immediately expend 25 to 40% of their naval assets to close the Strait of Hormuz…..

    Continued…..

    http://www.booksie.com/editorial_and_opinion/article/russ_maggio/israel-attacks-iran-nuke-sites-post-assesment

  53. Fe says:

    Eric does a great analysis of Trayvon Martin’s shooting, the natal charts for Martin and Zimmerman, and a surprising correlation to the Aries Point (spring equinox) and Arab Spring here:

    http://planetwaves.net/pagetwo/daily-astrology/planet-waves-fm-slow-rising-smoke-trayvon-martin/

    An hour-long + podcast, but really worth it. It coincides with your analysis, too, Nancy. Trayvon’s death has great significance and it is a catalyst in 2012 and beyond.

  54. Jerry says:

    A catalyst for escalation of racial tensions perhaps? There are conflicting reports involved in the case. Zimmerman contends he was not the one who provoked the altercation. Hopefully the truth will come out in court……

    Did Trayvon Martin Attack George Zimmerman First?

    Christian Science Monitor
    March 27, 2012

    The Orlando Sentinel reported that George Zimmerman told police he lost 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in the neighborhood he regularly patrolled and was walking back to his vehicle last month when the youth approached him from behind.

    The two exchanged words, Zimmerman said, and Martin then punched him, jumped on top of him and began banging his head on a sidewalk. Zimmerman said he began crying for help; Martin’s family thinks it was their son who was crying out. Witness accounts differ and 911 tapes in which the voices are heard are not clear.

    A statement from Sanford police said the newspaper story was “consistent” with evidence turned over to prosecutors.

    Continued……

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0327/Did-Trayvon-Martin-attack-George-Zimmerman-first

  55. Jerry says:

    Mars goes stationary direct on April 13th at 3 ’41 Virgo. The interesting synchrocity about it is that it coincides with the resumption of the Iranian Nuclear talks reportedly scheduled for April 13th:

    Nuclear Talks With World Powers On April 13: Iran

    http://ibnlive.in.com/generalnewsfeed/news/nuclear-talks-with-world-powers-on-april-13-iran/980309.html

    The Mars station opposes Iran’s natal Venus (3 ’56 Pisces) and squares Pres. Obama’s natal Moon ((3 ’21 Gemini).

    According to the description I found on Mars transits extracted from the Cafe Atrology.com website, these talks may prove to be challenging and contentious. It reads as follows:

    Mars square/opposition Venus

    *You may feel emotionally frustrated. Your feelings are going against much of what you value, so make way for possible difficulty. Your enjoyment of life may be temporarily blocked.

    Powerful desires and amorous feelings are stimulated now perhaps through an enticing interaction or personal encounter. You take the lead in social situations or attract personal attention. Coming on too strong, not picking up on subtle cues, or being inappropriate in a social sense are pitfalls of this time. Strive for a balance between taking the initiative and being sensitive and aware of others’ needs and wants. If you are usually shy and unassertive, this is your moment to come out and take a risk even if you’re a bit awkward.

  56. Jerry says:

    Typo/ Read instead: “synchronicity”

  57. kiwi says:

    funny how the authorities now have the cover their ass stories being generated by sympathetic media, full of inconsistencies I might add. And now the lead detective has come out and say he wanted initial charges laid against zimmerman – but upstairs boys said no.

  58. karen says:

    The latest Bill Herbst fits perfectly with your latest fine, fine overview, Nancy.

    http://www.billherbst.com/Comm6.pdf

  59. Fe says:

    I can’t trust Zimmerman and the Sanford police worth a damn. Zimmerman is an inveterate liar. Where is the police reports and the hospital report corroborating the wounds? How could a 140 pound boy overcome a 200+ lb man carrying a gun?

    The minute Zimmerman stepped out of his car against the orders of the 911 dispatcher, he was unprotected by the Stand Your Ground law. The minute he confronted the kid, he started it. Self defense my ass.

    I don’t buy these planted stories for the good goddamm they’re worth.

  60. starlight says:

    This guy, La Follette, looks like he might win in Wisconsin. His outstanding solar return comes just as the election returns come in (give or take depending on birth time):

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/101484393

  61. Francis says:

    Just read Bill Herbst’s new article and it dawned on me that the Supreme Court will decide on Obamacare at the time of the Uranus-Pluto first pass. Given the timing of it with that first pass, it seems to me that Obamacare has a very good chance as it will re-define health care for Americans. I personally prefer a Medicare for all solution and if by chance Obamacare falls, I could see a resurgence from the left for opening up Medicare to all. It is truly a brave new world we are entering!

  62. Jerry says:

    Hi Fe,

    It would stand to reason there is some distortion of the facts, but how much is difficult to say. A dead teenager can’t be called to the witness stand, so as you poignantly noted, the circumstantial evidence will need to be considered.

    It reminds me of the O J Simpson debacle in reverse. Because it is such a high profile case, if Zimmerman is eventually acquitted there may be rioting in the streets.

  63. starlight says:

    Excellent Bill Herbst article posted by Karen above!!!

    From the article, a great description of Pluto:

    leads to “release of long-held forces of inconceivable power”.

    Also this quote:

    Because Uranus is in Aries, the ever-present possibility of aggression and even violence is higher than usual. If wars do erupt in classic conflicts between nations, they will most likely be motivated not by territorial conquest, but over control of natural resources (Pluto in Capricorn). Another source of possible violence is civil unrest and forceful repression by authorities eager to maintain
    control over populations in revolt. Whether this will occur and, if so, how extreme it might be are unknowns yet to be seen.

    The likelihood is that violence will occur sporadically and in pockets, in much the same way that the mayhem and chaos produced by natural disasters may sweep over a given locality but then subside as quickly as they began, leaving the survivors to restore social life in the aftermath.
    While Uranus in Aries can signify aggression and even violence, it may also imply discovery and/or creation of brilliant and novel ways of addressing problems.
    Practical solutions can and will be found to many of the problems that arise over the coming years. These will not be applied, however, until after significant
    breakdowns have occurred. For instance, the current crisis in the Eurozone over Greek default is now sufficiently dire to provoke that kind of creativity. Whether it matters much will depend on how events unfold.

    A further predictable manifestation of the symbolism of Uranus in Aries is that in the 2010s as in the 1930s, significant odds exist for the appearance of
    charismatic leaders—pied pipers who galvanize support from a frightened public by promising simplistic responses to complicated problems.

  64. Noelle says:

    Karen, I, too, want to thak you for posting the Bill Herbst article. It’s amazing how many people are saying versions of the same thing.

    June is going to be very interesting. Remember the articl from the Real Astrologer on the Venus Occulation of June 5 & 6th?

  65. Wennye' says:

    Yeah Jerry probably! By the way it is NOT the same forward or reverse..

  66. Wennye' says:

    Fe, did you get a chance to watch Lawrence O’Donnell last night? This ‘crap’ perpetuaded by Zimmerman’s mouthpiece was revealed as what it is crap..Blessings

  67. kiwi says:

    boy jerry, why is it that you always seem to impart a certain satistfaction in a doom and gloom scenario or outcome no matter what?
    you are one of the few, fortunately, who post here that has the consistent ability to raise my hackles.

  68. Jerry says:

    Hi Kiwi,

    It’s a contentious, high profile issue. There’s a lot of controversy and emotion swirling around this (note your rather strong reaction for example).

    As mentioned earlier, the incident occurred with Neputune’s recent ingress into Pisces and its conjunction to Chiron (the wound that never heals/ racial injustice). The February 21st new moon conjoined the 0 degree Neptune and Chiron on Feb 22. The shooting occurred just 4 days later. I really do think this has a connection to the unfolding Neptune-Jupiter-Nodes t square which will become exact in June. Neptune (deception, unclear boundaries), Jupiter (expansion, augmentation) Nodes (efforts in trying to come to terms with ones past re: the racial divide).

  69. Francis says:

    I had another take on the Supreme Court ruling on Obamacare while coinciding with the Uranus-Pluto Square’s first pass. IF the Court votes it down 5-4 with the same division as the Citizen’s united I think it may cause a political firestorm resulting in a majority of Americans expressing no confidence in the Court as impartial arbitrators of justice. Hell, if I knew how, I would be happy to help spear-head a national petition or a national website, say on Facebook, in which people express no confidence in the partisan Court.

  70. kiwi says:

    You miss my point jerry, it is not the incident per se, nor other posters, that raise my hackles. It is the way you habitually frame things.

  71. Sharon says:

    I thought this commentary was pretty interesting, Jerry

  72. Sharon says:

    Hopefully, the rioting will be on the part of the Tea Party!!!!

  73. Wennye' says:

    Kiwi, that remark is quite humorous about your hackles :) when I read his reply to your comment I actually yelled out loud ‘ugh’ would have felt better running outside buck naked pulling at my hair. After saying that I would miss him if he left as he is a lesson in motion..of seeing the glass half empty! Blessings and goodnight, Wennye’

  74. Wennye' says:

    Start it up Francis, I will help in circulating it among my peeps..Wennye’

  75. Jerry says:

    Hi Kiwi,

    Rather than reducing this little interaction of ours into a personal exchange it might be prefferable to stay on topic. You were suggesting that I am interpreting this in a negative light and I’m pointing out that there are astrological factors involved and in my view, contrary to your perception; they are NOT negative. If you want to discuss the astrological factors, I am more than happy to oblige. But to get into a personal dispute about it seems senseless, unnecessary and not what this forum is about.

    Essentially you were asking what I was seeing and once again what I am seeing is this…. in late June, there will be a convergence of Jupiter conjoining the south node (the past) right on President Obama’s Moon in square to Neptune. Lots of things can be inferred from this. What I am seeing is that the whole race issue may be coming up for review. After all, one particular aspect to President Obama being elected into office is the desire for a more integrated approach that transcends the racial barriers. There are some in our society who feel disenfranchised, alienated due to racial discrimination. There are valid reasons why this needs to be addressed and brought into the spotlight. 250 years of racial inequality and stereotyping requires creative and thoughtful attention, not mere legislation. Peoples values are being questioned and that feels terribly uncomfortable. I am simply suggesting that this entire issue might be coming up for review.

    If you would like to discuss the apparent personal disagreement we are having, well that’s an entirely different matter. It might be better to take this offline. Feel free to contact me at babajani2252@yahoo.com.

  76. Bob says:

    The Lafollette’s have a long record in Wisconsin politics – that, and a buck will get you a plain cup of coffee – maybe.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Follette_family

  77. kiwi says:

    Wennye, you always make me smile.
    Yes, I too do keep trying to see the lesson he presents for me, but sometimes I just want to scream! blessings back to you.

  78. Lune Prière says:

    I’m right behind you with my pitchfork, Francis.

  79. Fe says:

    Wennye:

    I missed him last night, but caught him in the rant where Zimmerman’s attorney FLED before the interview. Great show.

    As for circumstantial evidence, ABC news has retrieved footage from the police surveillance camera in the garage where they brought Zimmerman in. There was no blood, no head contusions and no broken nose.

    http://abcnews.go.com/WN/trayvon-martin-case-exclusive-surveillance-video-george-zimmerman/story?id=16022897#.T3Ops9XGbcu

    Actually, I wouldn’t call that evidence circumstantial. I’d call it DAMNING.

  80. stardust says:

    Starlight, I was listening to a talkshow late this afternoon where the discussion turned to the question of when the Supremes would render a decision in ObamaCare. The lawyer stated that he expected the decision at or just before the time they leave town for summer recess — end of June, early July, but in no case later than July 4th.
    This site says pretty much the same thing: “No one knows exactly when a decision will be handed down by the Court in an argued case, nor is there a set time period in which the Justices must reach a decision. However, all cases argued during a term of Court are decided before the summer recess begins, usually by the end of June.”
    http://www.supremecourt.gov/visiting/visitorsguidetooralargument.aspx Last year summer recess started Tuesday, June 28, 2011.

  81. stardust says:

    This calendar for US Supreme Ct. shows nothing scheduled after Monday, June 25, 2012. http://www.supremecourt.gov/

  82. Jerry says:

    Hi Sharon,

    Yes. I thought so too. Thanks for the acknowledgement.

  83. karen says:

    Brilliant!

  84. starlight says:

    Good morning All,

    Some administrative words:

    I would like you to know that there are a couple of posters that are usually not posted because of their endless negative diatribes. I simply don’t want to hear it or subject the site to it. Jerry is not one of them. He brings up significant astrological data in his posts. Although I often question his interpretations, he is well within the bounds of this site in discussing configurations and what they may mean.

    If you do not want to read him, skip over his posts. If you know enough astrology to disagree with him and want to take the time to do so, please feel free. But please do not attack him personally.

    I understand that in this world with so much negativity and fear swirling around that it is hard to let any more in. If you see that is where one of his posts is going, just go on to read the next poster. But know that he sometimes points out configurations that are coming and may have been missed by others, even if his interpretation is more consistently towards much bigger upheaval than ultimately manifests.

    Thank you.

  85. starlight says:

    That is excellent news! Thank you for researching it.

  86. Azizi says:

    As a follow-up to comments that I made here on an earlier thread, and as further proof that there’s A LOT of work that still needs to be done in this nation regarding race/racism, here’s an excerpt from a Jezebel article regarding the movie The Hunger Games:

    “Racist Hunger Games Fans Are Very Disappointed

    The good news? The Hunger Games made $155 million at the box office its opening weekend, making it the third-best debut in North American box office history. The bad news, however, reflects a level of idiocy that we weren’t really expecting…

    Now as you may know, Katniss, the main character in the book and film, was described as having “straight black hair” and “olive skin.” It’s a post-apocalyptic world, so she could be a mix of things, but some pictured a Native American. Blonde-haired, blue-eyed Jennifer Lawrence won the part and dyed her hair dark.

    But when it came to the casting of Rue, Thresh, and Cinna, many audience members did not understand why there were black actors playing those parts. Cinna’s skin is not discussed in the book, so truthfully, though Lenny Kravitz was cast, a white, Asian or Latino actor could have played the part.

    But. On page 45 of Suzanne Collins’s book, Katniss sees Rue for the first time [ insert author's description of Rue with dark brown skin]

    Later, she sees Thresh: [insert author's description of Thresh with dark brown skin]

    Dark skin. That is what the novelist, the creator of the series, specified. But there were plenty of audience members who were “shocked,” or confused, or just plain angry.

    The tumblr Hunger Games Tweets has collected a smattering of Twitter postings, with the goal of exposing “Hunger Games fans on Twitter who dare to call themselves fans yet don’t know a damn thing about the books.” What people are saying is disappointing, sad, stomach-churning, and just plain racist.”

    -snip-

    And if people need more proof of the depths of racism in the USA, read the threads in support of George Zimmerman, the self-appointed neighborhood watchman who killed the unarmed African American teen Trayvon Martin. Among the racist comments are those from people who can’t (or don’t want to) understand how a person could be a White Hispanic.

    Clearly there’s need for a great deal of Pluto and Uranus action since many people in the USA and elsewhere don’t seem able to give up destructive, outdated ideas on their own.

  87. Azizi says:

    Here’s the link to that Jezebel article:
    http://jezebel.com/5896408/racist-hunger-games-fans-dont-care-how-much-money-the-movie-made

    And here’s a link to the Hunger Game tweets site that is mentioned in that article:
    http://hungergamestweets.tumblr.com/

  88. starlight says:

    I had seen that article about the racist contingent who want to claim Hunger Games. I am hoping it is but a handful whose ignorant posts went viral and took on more weight than their numbers warranted. It is very disturbing to say the least.

    I quite agree that the racism in the GOP response to the Trayvon Martin killing is really jaw-dropping. And these idiots wonder why African Americans don’t support them? Really? This whole situation makes it crystal clear, in case it wasn’t previously.

    Nonetheless, I am heartened by the way the Trayvon Martin story has galvanized people and is remaining center stage in the media for so long. It appears a very large number of all Americans are appalled by it. As evidence trickles out – like the video of Zimmerman after the shooting and O’Donnell’s telephone interview last night with the undertaker (who found no physical evidence of a struggle), it is becoming more and more clear that there was a crime and a coverup. This is nowhere near over.

  89. Azizi says:

    Thanks for your comments, starlight.

    Unfortunately, it appears that those racist comment regarding The Hunger Games are more than a handful of comments that went viral.

    Also, I don’t think that it’s only a significant number of people who vote Republican who are expressing what I would consider to be racist comments in the numerous online discussions I’ve read about George Zimmerman’s race/ethnicity, or about Trayvon Martin himself. Unfortunately, those comments also appear to be coming from White people who at least don’t describe themselves as Republicans. I think this hatred of dark skinned people, and the lack of understanding that in the USA “Hispanic” is an ethnic category and people in those categories can be Black, White, or other races, is much deeper than just politics. The racism reflected in those comments is indeed disturbing. For example, one commenter indicated that George Zimmerman (whose father is White Jewish and whose mother is Hispanic from Peru) couldn’t be Jewish because he wasn’t smart enough. An individual whose comment followed that one asked that person did he or she even realize what was wrong with what he or she wrote. Ths very scary thing is that I don’t think that that neither that commenter nor a lot of other commenters who post such comments realize the problematic, sick, stupid nature of what they write.

    I don’t want to disregard the fact that there are some Black people who also are trying to inflame hatred with this Trayvon Martin case. But, with regard to one such group- the so-called “New Black Panthers” who put out a large bounty for George Zimmerman- paraphrasing what one Black commenter wrote on a Huffington Post thread, that group might have all of 9 members, and that group absolutely has no real presence or very little if any respect from African Americans at large.

  90. Wennye' says:

    Respecfully noted..Wennye’

  91. andre says:

    Another self-defeating attempt at lame Romney humor:

    ”Romney Tells “Humorous” Story About Closing a Factory
    In advance of the GOP primary next week, Mitt Romney tried to prove his Wisconsin connections by relating a “humorous” story about his father shutting down a factory, the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reports.

    Said Romney: “One of most humorous I think relates to my father. You may remember my father, George Romney, was president of an automobile company called American Motors… They had a factory in Michigan, and they had a factory in Kenosha, Wisconsin, and another one in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. And as the president of the company he decided to close the factory in Michigan and move all the production to Wisconsin. Now later he decided to run for governor of Michigan and so you can imagine that having closed the factory and moved all the production to Wisconsin was a very sensitive issue to him, for his campaign.”

    Romney recalled a parade in which a school band marching with his father’s campaign only knew the Wisconsin fight song, not the Michigan song.

    He continued, while laughing: “So every time they would start playing ‘On, Wisconsin, On, Wisconsin,’ my dad’s political people would jump up and down and try to get them to stop, because they didn’t want people in Michigan to be reminded that my dad had moved production to Wisconsin.”

    http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/03/28/romney_tells_humorous_story_about_closing_a_factory.html

  92. Jerry says:

    Regarding the discussion about the Neptune transit in Pisces and why I feel this may directly relate to race relations and the psychological need for integration, I found the following excerpt quite pertinent. It’s from Louis Acker’s ‘Transits of the Outer Planets through the Signs 2012 through 2013′. I personally think it accurately describes the period of emotional circumspection we are currently going through…..

    “…….Neptune is associated with psychic and intuitive processes, and therefore with dreams, visions, premonitions, past life memories, and empathic sensitivity to the moods and feelings of other people and the collective unconscious in general. The negative side of the Neptune influence manifests as escapism, addictive behavior, neurosis, psychosis, and all kinds of irrational behavior caused by unresolved subconscious issues. Such aberrant behavior is usually caused by suppressed memories of highly traumatic experiences in this lifetime or previous lifetimes. Such traumatic subconscious memories and the powerful emotional imprints made by them are frequently too overwhelming for people to consciously deal with so they continue to fester on a subconscious level causing attitudes and behavior that is inappropriate and self defeating in the present context a person is living in.

    These dynamics operate on a mass level as well as an individual level and can and do affect the psychological characteristics of whole nations, religions, cultures and races, as well as the human race on planet Earth in general. Humanity on planet Earth has certainly had a very traumatic history going back tens and even hundreds of thousands of years, which is largely the reason we see so much mass psychosis and dysfunction today. Uranus in Pisces in the last few years, Chiron in Pisces and now Neptune in Pisces have been and is bringing the collective as well as individual subconscious issues closer to the surface of conscious awareness. This is bringing on a mass psychological healing crisis. When this happens the dysfunctional behavioral characteristics often temporarily become more pronounced while the drama is being resolved and integrated into the conscious awareness. This is also true on a collective as well as individual level.

    Much of the influence of Neptune in Pisces relates to humanity remembering and reclaiming our real history. For economic and political reason of control and mass indoctrination we have been lied to about our real historical past. Humanity must reclaim and consciously reintegrate our real history if we are to learn the appropriate lessons from our long past history. Only by truly understanding where we have been and why can we make the right decisions about where we are going.”

    http://louisacker.com/?p=36#more-36

  93. Virginia says:

    Jerry

    Very interesting analysis by Acker, especially the last paragraph. Thanks for the link.

  94. Starlight, the actual Health Care vote is today, with the opinion rendered at the end of June. How does this affect the outcome? Is it when it’s announced to the public, or today?

  95. kiwi says:

    Carol, I think after they have heard oral arguments, the justices then later meet and discuss among themselves the pros and cons, perhaps more legal research is done by their clerks, and then they come to their decisions. Their actual decision would not come so soon as at the end of oral arguments before them.

  96. teresahill says:

    Well, it’s a court decision, not a vote, and they don’t do it in public. They debate in private, and we don’t know how long they might debate. Once they reach a decision on various points of law, one person will be chosen to write the opinion for the majority and one for the minority. This is likely done by court clerks and involves picking through research already done on points of law, and the justices decide which cases and points of law apply. And I’m sure at some point, everyone who voted for the majority opinion looks over the proposed written findings and the minority does the same thing.
    After all the justices are satisfied with the written findings, they announce their decision. That’s why it takes months.

  97. Noelle says:

    Carol, Kiwi is correct. There is much more that goes on and decion probably won’t be announced until the end of June right before they recess.

  98. starlight says:

    Carol – I saw that in today’s paper. The justices evidently decide today and then write up their arguments over the coming weeks, all of which will be announced in late June. I looked at all of their charts (no birth times) but could not get anything helpful. The only one who looked particularly happy was Alito, but it is his birthday tomorrow (apologies to all Aries).

  99. Diane L says:

    Ouch! Don’t know whether to laugh or cry . . . excellent cartoon.

  100. Lorrie U says:

    Starlight – As I understand it, they write up their arguments over the coming weeks as stated, but they can change their minds anytime between now and late June. Being that Mercury and Mars are both retrograde while the case was presented, I would think that might make the outcome somewhat different in June than it would be now?

    Also, it is confirmed that the actual recall vote for Scott Walker will be June 5! Hope he looks unhappy (as I think you previously stated)…

  101. Jerry says:

    The Vernal Ingress Chart for 2012
    By Gary P. Caton

    The chart for the moment of the Sun’s entrance into Aries has always been a very important factor in mundane astrology. Traditionally, this chart is cast for the capital city of a country or region. Since we cannot cast the countless charts required for a holistic worldview, this analysis will focus on the chart for the United States. We will also look at things that all ingress charts have in common — the aspects, or relationships, between the planets at the time of the vernal equinox.

    The first thing we notice is that Mercury retrograde and Uranus are both conjunct the Sun at the vernal point. This is an extremely rare alignment, which hasn’t happened since the year 755 AD!

    NOTE: Regarding the current discussion here in this forum on the health care vote under consideration in the Supreme Court, below is an excerpt from the above article that could provide a clue. I could be wrong but I think it would not be inaccurate to say that the 11th house equally pertains to the legislative (Congress) and judicial (Supreme Court) branches of government. Here’s the excerpt:

    “…….. We see that the traditional malefics, Mars and Saturn, are also retrograde, so it appears things could be “taken back” regarding significations of these planets and the houses wherein they reside. Traditionally, the 11th house signifies the Congress. Saturn in the late degrees of Libra, and retrograde, does not look good for major advancements by the U.S. Congress. Given their current dismal approval rating, I’m sure this is not a surprise to anyone. However, some might argue this could indicate a reversal of some previous position held by Congress, or perhaps even a reversal of Congress itself. It should be noted that with a mutable sign on the Ascendant, the shelf life for this chart is only until the Libra ingress. So, this chart does not speak directly to the fall elections, but does speak to a good portion of the campaign season.”

  102. Noelle says:

    I’m not an astrologer but from the little that I know, couldnt Mercury retrograde also be interpreted as the rethinking of an issue rather than a reveral?

  103. DPH says:

    Walker recall date confirmed for June 5th. I know we had some discussion regarding whether or not it would happen in May, in case there wasn’t a primary.
    Here’s the link: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/30/us-usa-politics-wisconsin-idUSBRE82T0UF20120330

    Good news for chances of the recall succeeding!

  104. I’m kind of relieved to hear that, and that they don’t have to stick by their initial vote. Still I can’t quite shake off the dread- or the hope that they might punt this decision somehow until next year when it won’t affect the Presidential election. Has a Supreme Court decision ever been done that way?

    And with Mercury and Mars retro, any decision could be reversed by some factor or by simply changing their minds when they go direct.

  105. will says:

    It certainly can be interpreted as a rethinking or do-over, Noelle.

  106. starlight says:

    I wouldn’t say Walker is unhappy, though I will look again far more thoroughly, but at least June 5 is after the very positive and energized planets he has in May. They probably point to him campaigning.

    As for the SC, yes indeed the Mercury shift to direct will probably change the current decisions, and Mars’ shift after mid-April may shift things further.

  107. kiwi says:

    carol, here is a wiki link describing the decision process. An initial ‘vote’ is taken among them to determine which direction each justice is leaning, but it’s not cast in stone yet.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procedures_of_the_Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States

  108. Fe says:

    Starlight :

    If Obama is happy around late June, I will be more reassured. I think he will be. Funny how when everyone here and at other progressive blogs were grinding their teet over the ACA. and now there’s real concern that the SCOTUS could kill it.

    Remember also that July 3 is another trigger day on the equinox chart. Let’s hope the only wails come from Teabaggers mad that gov’ment has it’s paws on their Medicare.

  109. kiwi says:

    I remember seeing an interview several years back with one of the justices (cant remember who)and the comment was made that just because hard questioning happened in oral arguments, it did not necessarily indicate the justice disagreed with the premise of the argument … that it was a often a means for them to play devils advocate for or against the legal argument before them.

  110. fierywoman says:

    There was a really clear explanation of the decision making process on NPR today — apparently minds do change sometimes during the time between the initial vote and the final announcement.

  111. Jerry says:

    One last thought on the pending health care legislation proposed by the President. I found an excerpt by Bill Herbst that is relevant to the times we live in. I think it speaks to the current pattern that is radical and transformative rather than a continuation or modification of the status quo. Here it is…..

    “….The Uranus-Pluto last-quarter square in the 1930s occurred with Uranus in Aries and Pluto in Cancer, both cardinal signs, implying crises of conflict. Even though that decade witnessed the Great Depression, the emphasis of the transit wasn’t on economics per se. Cancer is about challenges to the survival or security of the clan, tribe, or nation. Aries can be about charismatic leadership, the aggression of warfare, or will toward conquest. So, the global economic collapse provided the impetus for Hitler to take power in Germany, with his vision of national identity through racial superiority and lebensraum—expansion to the east, accompanied by conquest and enslavement of inferior peoples. In addition, the world war that ensued was conducted primarily under the authority of four charismatic and extraordinary individuals: Hitler, Stalin, Churchill, and Roosevelt.

    Now in the 2010s, eighty years later, Uranus has travelled around the ecliptic once and is again in Aries, but this time Pluto has moved halfway through the zodiac into Capricorn. Like the cardinality of the Aries-Cancer square of the 1930s, the Aries-Capricorn square of the 2010s implies crises provoked by conflict, but this time not about family or clan, but about the organized, impersonal structures of society itself, meaning governments, corporations, andsocial institutions (education, healthcare, etc.). The central symbolism of the imminent Uranus-Pluto transit is inherently economic. Commerce lies at the heart of civilization. Communities exist to provide goods and services to satisfy the needs and wants of people—for shelter,food, clothing, meaningful work, and the camaraderie of human fellowship. Capricorn represents the organization of these necessities into an overall social structure. With Pluto in Capricorn, destruction and recreation of society and its structures will occur to some extent. How much is uncertain and unknowable inadvance. The larger and more complex the institution, the greater will be the likelihood of its breakdown into smaller and simpler units. Because Uranus is in Aries, the ever-present possibility of aggression and evenviolence is higher than usual. If wars do erupt in classic conflicts between nations, they will most likely be motivated not by territorial conquest, but over control of natural resources (Pluto in Capricorn). Another source of possible violence is civil unrest and forceful repression by authorities eager to maintain control over populations in revolt. Whether this will occur and, if so, how extreme it might be are unknowns yet to be seen.”

    Excerpt from an article by Bill Herbst entitled ‘Critical Mass Approaches’

    http://www.billherbst.com/Comm6.pdf

  112. kiwi says:

    with all thats going on in the US at present, I had not heard about this:
    From Marjorie Orr –
    “North Sea Gas Leak – another Grand Trine hit From: Marjorie. (30 Mar 2012 13:19):
    The disaster-ridden Earth Grand Trine still in orb of Pluto in Capricorn trine Mars in Virgo trine Jupiter in Taurus which has been causing/accompanying catastrophes all of March seems to have hit another target. (See posts below).
    There’s a natural gas leak from a French Total well off the north east coast of Scotland. The threat of a major explosion and environmental catastrophe loom according to environmentalists. See: http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,824635,00.html
    The reservoir is spewing gas at pressure levels of up to 1,000 times that found at sea level and at temperatures of roughly 190 degrees Celsius (375 degrees Fahrenheit). Such conditions have led Norwegian environmental activists to describe it as the “well from hell.”
    The platform was evacuated on Sunday 25 March 2012 early afternoon and there’s now a five km (3 mile) exclusion zone around the well.

    At that point the Taurus Moon was conjunct Jupiter and tied into the Grand Trine with retrograde Mars opposition Neptune forming a Kite – driving all that Trine + opposition energy into Neptune in Pisces – not a bad description for a deep sea gas leak.”

  113. Lunagardener says:

    I can only say, that I ;m grateful that I am not a Supreme Court Justice serving in this lifetime….Personally, I can not hang onto any argument for or against the current legislation at this time….with the current retrogrades, it is truly, information gathering at this time…I do, however agree, that health Care is a divine right, an not a for profit endeavor.

  114. kiwi says:

    very interesting Jerry. thanks for posting.
    I think this correlatates to the recent postings of Dharmaruci on the uranus-pluto square.
    Text taken from part 7 of 8:

    “……… So what is interesting about this is that, in effect, a kind of dictatorship has been created, a dictatorship of the far right. In fleeing from dictatorship, another kind has been created.
    The reason it is different now is because for the first time it has affected America’s economic standing, and this is as Uranus-Pluto comes up to hard-aspect its Sun-Saturn. In 2014 Uranus and Pluto will hard-aspect both the Sun and Saturn.

    So that is extremely intense. America will be needing to re-examine its relationship with power and authority and leadership. ……..”
    http://astrotabletalk.blogspot.co.nz/

  115. Jerry says:

    Sorry if there is an overlap from Nancy’s observations on the Bill Herbst article. The main theme quoted above wasn’t covered in Nancy’s remarks.

  116. will says:

    What is fascinating is the alleged reasons for his having been fired; how very strange – how very Mercury retrograde!

  117. kiwi says:

    interesting interview today on Charlie Rose – http://www.charlierose.com/
    erskine and bowles – republican leaning, but old time republican with a healthy dose of common sense reality.

  118. kiwi says:

    oops, typo – I meant erskine bowles and alan simpson

  119. loyalurker says:

    Speaking of Uranus/Pluto, I’ve been wondering, anticipating what might be next for the Occupy movement. It’s been pretty quiet lately. But one fellow who has emerged as a bit of a leader within this movement (though I use the term leader very loosely) spoke with Bill Moyers tonight and it does seem to be building and organizing. Wanna know what’s coming?
    Here’s a video of the show -http://billmoyers.com/segment/organizer-george-goehl-on-people-power/

    There is a website called, The 99% Spring that is a place that can help people keep up with what’s happening in this movement and find ways to participate.

  120. loyalurker says:

    Venus to the Max.

    A fellow who helps me with my yard came over the other day. He’s pretty progressive in his thinking and likes to talk about politics. Anyway, he said he felt the economy had finally begun to turn around at last and we were on the road to recovery. I personally can only think about all the rotten underpinnings that smell of decay and are therefore vulnerable to significant collapse or a slow slide into the abyss. I suggested that at the very least he should probably not try to determine what the ‘real’ economy might do in an election year. Next year will probably be a better gauge.
    My friend’s optimism is what Richard Nolle talks about in this little article on the current Venus Max that starts now and goes throughout the year. Not only interesting in terms of Venus issues such as the economy, relationships, the arts, etc. but in its physical manifestation as it does something rare this year. It crosses the Sun:

    This year’s Venus Max is extraordinary, in that it features a Venus transit across the solar disk. This one is spectacular because the 2012 Venus-Sun inferior conjunction is so precisely aligned in all axes that we will literally be able to see the disk of the planet Venus crossing the face of the Sun for only the sixth time since the invention of the telescope. This kind of line-up is so rare that the next one won’t occur until the next century (with a pair on December 11, 2117 and December 8, 2125).

    The last time Venus transited the Sun was on June 8, 2004; and before that, way back in 1882, on December 6 at 15 Sagittarius. This year’s transit occurs at 18 Gemini. All Venus-Sun transits over the last 1900+ years have taken place either in Gemini or in Sagittarius, where the north and south nodes (respectively) of Venus are located during this epoch of history. The last transit in the preceding Taurus-Scorpio polarity occurred in the year 60 CE (Common Era, equivalent to AD), and the current Gemini-Sagittarius transits will continue for 1500 years or so.

    These Venus solar transits, while part of the longer term Venus Max cycle, have a peculiar connection with solar turbulence, which can manifest in the form of a Coronal Mass Ejection (CME) and subsequent geomagnetic storms here on Earth (in the form of auroras, for example). Because they pump Gigawatts of extra energy into the atmosphere, such solar disturbances have shown an historical association with major storms in Earth’s atmosphere, as well. When combined with other geophysical stress factors, such as SuperMoons, eclipses, and even ordinary new and full moons, look for seismic disturbances such as moderate to severe earthquakes (magnitude 5+) and volcanic eruptions as well as atmospheric disturbances. . These solar phenomena are temporally diffused because of the Sun’s 25-day rotation, so look for them not only on or about the actual date of the transit; but also several weeks before and after the Venus solar transit.

    more –
    http://www.astropro.com/features/articles/max/venus.html

  121. Jerry says:

    Hi Loyalurker,

    I checked the ephemeris for declinations: http://moontracks.com/daily-declinations.html . The Venus maximum declination does indeed reach its furthest point from the equator in early May at N 27 ’49 but then starts to slowly ease back into normal range after six weeks or so and so its influence will dissipate in strength throughout the remaining part of the year. One description I found excerpted from The Astrological Association of Great Britain website helps to explain this phenomenon….

    “….Certain planets travel out of bounds periodically (no matter where the Sun is positioned at the time) and when and if they do their energies are more extreme. They become wilder and their forces more magnified, either for good or ill. As they are beyond the limits imposed by the boss (the Sun), they can operate independently and without restraint.”

    I think this underscores the powerful nature of the approaching Venus occultation transit of June 5th. One astrologer notes that the combination of the June 4th lunar eclipse and the subsequent June 5th Venus occultation in mid Gemini/Saggitarius degrees will be forcefully re-activating whatever issues were predominant in the December 10th, 2011 lunar eclipse (18 Gemini). He gave an orb of several degrees on either side of the eclipse as most affected. As the reader may recall, the December 10th eclipse occurred during the height of the Eurozone crisis, so I would expect those issues to re-surface around that time. Here’s an astrological assessment of that period…..

    How Lunar Eclipse Affects EU-Summit

    http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2011/12/07/how-lunar-eclipse-affects-eu-summit/

  122. Elizabeth says:

    I find it interesting that Stalin and Hitler both have 6 letters in their names and Churchill and Roosevelt each have 9. I am curious if that is relevant or if you would have to break down the letters to numbers to see if there is a connection? It would seem that that is not a coincidence and there must be some relevance.

  123. Elizabeth says:

    Nancy have you done a chart for the affordable health care bill, signed into law on March 23, 2010? I know you have been tracking President Obama’s chart for the time period we expect a decision. I was just curious what the legislation’s chart looked like? Forgive me if you have addressed this and I just missed it.

    Ty:)

  124. loyalurker says:

    Jerry
    Thanks for the article link. I like the description of planets gone rogue, out of bounds, and beyond the authority of the Sun’s influence, so to speak. Sounds so Uranian in its rebelliousness and fitting for this Uranus/Pluto time.

    Hadn’t thought about the link to Dec. 10th and the EU crisis. I’m guessing many things will come to a head around that time, perhaps simultaneously. I noticed that the early June 5 Sun/Venus conj at 16 Gemini will square Mars in Virgo at 17 degrees as well, plus of course the eclipse at 15 Sag. I like to look at Sabian symbols for significant events and these three are fascinating considering all the potential events that are already in motion which could converge around that time.
    16 Gemini – A Woman Activist In An Emotional Speech Dramatizing Her Cause
    17 Virgo – A Volcanic Eruption
    15 Sag – The Groundhog Looking For It’s Shadow (intuiting the future, anticipation of unfolding events and the need to plan ahead).

    The pot is certainly being stirred vigorously in June.
    Sounds very challenging and potentially transformative.

  125. starlight says:

    yes, and I will include some of it in the next blog post.

    Pluto opposite China’s Sun – major power struggles in the country and within the government. Remember the US has this coming in 2014 and 2015.

    http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tech-china-web-crackdown-20120321,0,1057755.story

  126. starlight says:

    Health Care Reform chart: 3/23/10 at 11:55 AM in DC.

  127. kiwi says:

    cspan did a series of good interviews with each of the justices – here is a clip with john roberts talking just about their conference procedure.
    At the bottom of that same cspan page you can click on each justice to see the full interviews – each about 30-60min. The only ones I have watched are roberts, kennedy and kagan.
    http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/CourtChi/start/2279/stop/2467

  128. andre says:

    Nancy, isn’t that Pluto square China’s Sun? I believe China’s Sun is in Libra: October 1, 1949.

  129. loyalurker says:

    Starlight,
    Do you have any thoughts about how that will manifest in the U.S.? It will be a triple wammy because Pluto will eventuallly oppose all the planets in the U.S. 7th house of open enemies and partnerships, so it will definitely affect our global relationships.

    I seem to recall there was an analysis by Liz Greene about the Sun/Pluto aspect in effect during the collapse of the Soviet Union. Yes, big changes afoot. I hope the people are very involved in creating what will rise from the ashes.

  130. loyalurker says:

    Oh, almost forgot this too — Pluto will conjunct the British Sun THIS year at 9 Cap if I’m not mistaken!

  131. starlight says:

    Correct. Pluto will square china’s Sun and oppose US Sun. Thanks.

  132. loyalurker says:

    and…. this article is all about this subject by an English astrologer looking at not only England’s Sun pLuto transit, but the U.S. and China.

    http://www.astrodispatch.com/2012/03/30/uranus-pluto-part-7-of-8/

  133. starlight says:

    Given how things are going, and since Pluto is fanaticism as well as hidden mega-wealth, in opposition to the Sun, i.e., the president, one can expect an even fiercer power struggle than we have seen to date. What is interesting is that Uranus comes in to square tr Pluto and the US Sun, which suggests the people rise up and get involved as well.

    What the issues will be is almost irrelevant. The Right takes just about anything and twists and turns it into an “attack” on “freedom” so they can oppose Obama and oppose the future he represents.

    Pluto and Uranus will also be in hard aspect to US Saturn which suggests a blow to our international power as well. Jupiter will be conjunct US Sun for part of the transit and that is usually about mega-patriotism and possible war.

    My biggest hope is that global warming will finally prove to be the crisis it is and the whole world will mobilize to deal with it. But I think that is wishful thinking. It is more likely about the building battle in this country which begins to feel like a civil war, though hopefully not a full blown one. Pluto tends to take things to an extreme before they blow up.

  134. starlight says:

    loyalurker – That is a terrific article from Darmaruci that you posted. Here is the link to the entire series:

    http://www.astrotabletalk.blogspot.com/

  135. will says:

    Starlight,

    “Pluto and Uranus will also be in hard aspect to US Saturn which suggests a blow to our international power as well.”

    Is the U.S. Saturn in the 11th house or in the 9th? I am curious about why you believe our international power will be compromised.

  136. loyalurker says:

    I agree. I just bumped into it when doing a search on Sun/Pluto and haven’t read the whole series yet. It’s so interesting to get the perspective of someone outside the U.S. looking in. I think she was right on the mark…ouch!

  137. loyalurker says:

    Yikes…hadn’t even thought about the prospect of a civil war! But it’s happened here before and I suppose if the Soviet Union can break up it’s possible here too. I wonder how that would look and along which lines it would be divided? Things are just not so black and white, north and south anymore, though some of the old civil war issues still linger. But maybe we would see something akin to the 13 colonies. Or maybe there will be some issues around the integration of Canada and/or Mexico since it is a 7th house issue. I agree with it really doesn’t matter too much what the issue is. At the end of the day it’s about power and control.

  138. Jerry says:

    It hadn’t occurred to me but….. that occasional use of the term ‘Chinese Whispers'; a game in which a message is passed on, in a whisper, by a number of people, so that the final version of the message is often radically changed from the original; this is being played out in China on a nationwide level as we speak. The government is implementing an intense crack-down on many of the countries private websites that are allegedly responsible for spreading “vicious disinformation”. Is this a hint of things to come in June? June’s Mercury transit (re: communication) in Cancer (the home) will be conjoining China’s n. Uranus (people power – technology) in t square to the natal Sun and the waxing Uranus-Pluto square (Mercury’s transit in Cancer will be in the 4 – 8 degree range in the second week of June). Here’s a BBC report that fills in the details……

    China Arrests Over Coup Rumours
    BBC News
    March 31, 2012

    Chinese police have arrested six people and shut 16 websites after rumours were spread that military vehicles were on the streets of Beijing, officials say.

    The web posts were picked up last week by media outlets around the world, amid uncertainty caused by the ouster of top political leader Bo Xilai.

    The State Internet Information Office (SIIO) said the rumours had a “very bad influence on the public”.

    Continued…..

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-17570005

  139. Noelle says:

    Kiwi I heard the same thing but very recently. I’m not sure if it was from a former SC clerk or media legal commentator but it’s kept my hope alive.

  140. Noelle says:

    You have to give thenumeric value to the letters in each name.

  141. Jerry says:

    The math looks deceptively simple. I wonder if the Obama administration is aware of the alleged shortfall in the proposed health care legislation…….

    Massive $17 Trillion Hole Found In Obamacare
    Zerohedge
    March 30, 2012

    Two years ago, when introducing then promptly enacting Obamacare, the president stated that healthcare law reform would not cost a penny over $1 trillion ($900 billion to be precise), and that it would not add ‘one dime’ to the debt. It appears that this estimate may have been slightly optimistic… by a factor of 1700%. Because coincident with the recent Supreme Court debacle, in which a constitutional law president may be about to find that his magnum opus law is, in fact, unconstitutional, someone actually read the whole thing cover to cover, instead of merely relying on the CBO’s, pardon Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs’, funding estimates. That someone is Republican Jeff Sessions who after actually running the numbers has uncovered that the true long-term funding gap is a mind-boggling $17 trillion, just a tad more than the original sub $1 trillion forecast. This latest revelation means that total underfunded US welfare liabilities: Medicare, Medicaid and social security now amount to $99 trillion! Add to this total US debt which in 2 months will be $16 trillion, and one can see why Japan, which is about to breach 1 quadrillion in total debt (yen, but who’s counting), may want to start looking in the rearview mirror for up and comer competitors. And while Obama may have been taking creative license with a number that is greater than total US GDP, he was most certainly correct when saying that Obamacare would not add a penny to US debt. Because the second the US government comes to market to fund a true total debt/GDP ratio of 750%, it is game over, and the Fed will have its hands full selling Treasury puts every waking nanosecond to have any time left for the daily 3pm stock market ramp.

    Continued…….

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/massive-17-trillion-hole-found-obamacare

  142. starlight says:

    Saturn is in the 10th house in the US chart (with Sag rising). The Saturn return last August brought us the credit downgrade. When Israel had a Saturn return, also with a 10th house Saturn, they fought in Lebanon, but didn’t triumph. It was more of a draw. That was a real come down for them, first time they didn’t really win a war.

  143. will says:

    Thank you – I now see how you arrived at that interpretation.

    Just watched Washington Week – quite an “iffy” take on how the SCOTUS will vote on The Affordable Healthcare Act. It would appear that Roberts and Kennedy will be essentially “deciding” the whole case.

    In the cosmic view of astrology, it almost seems as if a thumbs-down vote from SCOTUS won’t even matter; when we have Titans like Uranus and Pluto duking it out, it just might morph into a situation wherein all of us will qualify for a form of Medicare.

  144. kiwi says:

    Fareed Zakaria mentioned there are 26 countries this year that have elections. And in countries that just happen to make up 40% of the world’s gdp. That seems to be a rather significant number to me.

  145. kiwi says:

    Im not surprised these “findings” are being pushed by none other than Jeff Sessions. “The extra $17 trillion gap was discovered by applying standard federal estimates and models to the law’s spending obligations, Sessions said.”

    Consider this though, the US spends 3x more on health care per person than does NZ with its almost total socialized medicine system. Yet NZ has a better longevity rate than the US. The reason is that the for-profit system is raping peoples pocketbooks. Most of the US outrage is being generated by those who will see their obscene profits shrink.
    My brother-in-law in Colorado just had back surgery – his insurance paid $250K for 3 days in the hospital. My husband has the same degenerative spinal problem, his doctor here said same operation would be around $30K and not more than $70K even if we paid privately and not through the govt run health system. Usually the same specialists do the work, whether it be in a public hospital or a private hospital. The difference is the waiting list time.

  146. glowlight says:

    Regarding Civil War: How about all the right wing extremists seceding from the Union and creating their own dominianist style “sharia” state. Seems like they have been working on this for awhile in Texas. Then…the Koch brothers can be their dictator and those in agreement can all move over there. And…, if you are not in agreement, you can immigrate over to the progressive USA. Just think, they might just build a huge wall all around the whole of Texas to keep us out. This has been a fantasy of mine lately.

  147. Jerry says:

    Hi Kiwi,

    Unfortunately, it’s an election year. The Republican’s are probably on a witch hunt, determined to find discrepancies and aberations with presidential policies. However, if there is any truth to these allegations (i.e. the facts remain undisputed), it will most certainly torpedo the bill; as in DOA (dead on arrival). I’m not comfortable with this particular Zero Hedge version of the story. Here’s a report that may have a little more balance….

    Another $17 Trillion Surprise Found In Obamacare

    The Daily Caller
    March 30, 2012

    Senate Republican staffers continue to look though the 2010 health care reform law to see what’s in it, and their latest discovery is a massive $17 trillion funding gap.

    “The more we learn about the bill, the more we learn it is even more unaffordable than was suspected,” said Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions, the Republicans’ budget chief in the Senate.

    “The bill has to be removed from the books because we don’t have the money,” he said.

    The hidden shortfall between new spending and new taxes was revealed just after Supreme Court justices grilled the law’s supporters about its compliance with the Constitution’s limits on government activity. If the court doesn’t strike down the law, it will force taxpayers to find another $17 trillion to pay for the increased spending.

    The $17 trillion in extra promises was revealed by an analysis of the law’s long-term requirements. The additional obligations, when combined with existing Medicare and Medicaid funding shortfalls, leave taxpayers on the hook for an extra $82 trillion in health care obligations over the next 75 years.

    Continued……

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/30/another-17-trillion-surprise-found-in-obamacare/

  148. glowlight says:

    As for the Affordable Health Care Act, I hate the idea of the Health insurance middle pocket robbers having anything to do with it. If it were to be struck down, I’m not so sure that would be a bad thing. Of course I would hope a sweeping win by the Democrats and PBO brings us single payer. Now that is a fantasy with a big warm glow around it. I love it, love it, love it!!! (My n.venus conjunct t.neptune and t.chiron in Pisces opposite n.r.mars in Virgo.) Everyone has such interesting and very stimulating contributions. thanks to all of you for expanding my understanding of astrology.

  149. Fe says:

    Jerry;

    The Caller is a republican rag.

  150. kiwi says:

    interesting round table discussion with Chris Hayes on the heath care law topic
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/46913381#46913381

  151. Bob says:

    Health Care Bill singed into law 11.59am, EDT, March 23, 2010′

    Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker recall election set for June 5, 2012.

  152. Bob says:

    Mistakes in previous post. Not yet fully awake. signed not singed, space between 11:59 and am, period at the end of that line, not an apostrophe.

  153. Jerry says:

    Hi Fe,

    I suppose if there is any truth to Sen. Jeff Sessions findings, we’ll be hearing about it in the near future. It could sway the Supreme Court ruling.

  154. Nick says:

    I found an interesting article in The Mail Online (UK) dated 23 March 2012. Its called “The year of vengeance: How neighbours turned on each other and anarchy erupted in the aftermath of WWII.”

    I wonder Starlight if this nightmare may be revisited in the coming years under the current Uranus/Pluto squares?
    Would it be possible in Europe again? It certainly appears that way throughout the Northern African continent, after the Arab spring uprisings in Libya, Syria and that ever present problem country Iraq/potential for Afghanistan too. Could the US disintegrate to this degree or am I just being over worried.

    The text follows as.. “Just imagine living in a world in which law and order have broken down completely: a world in which there is no authority, no rules and no sanctions.

    In the bombed-out ruins of Europe’s cities, feral gangs scavenge for food. Old men are murdered for their clothes, their watches or even their boots. Women are mercilessly raped, many several times a night.

    Neighbour turns on neighbour; old friends become deadly enemies. And the wrong surname, even the wrong accent, can get you killed.

    It sounds like the stuff of nightmares. But for hundreds of millions of Europeans, many of them now gentle, respectable pensioners, this was daily reality in the desperate months after the end of World War II”
    It’s the prelude to a new book. You can read the article here.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2119589/How-neighbours-turned-anarchy-erupted-Europe-aftermath-WWII.html#ixzz1qnNPkbzL

  155. Fe says:

    The problem with Jeff Sessions, who is in the pocket of the insurance lobby, is that the insurance lobby did his “research” homework for him.

    This is a disinformation campaign dressed up to look like ‘fact’. If the hard-fought majority in the House to sign the bill had those figures, the bill would not have made it out of committee. Not with all the blue dogs.

    Remember the repubs are out to kill Pbama’s crowning achievement because their goal is to make him a one-term president. How we cannot seem to get this here astounds me.

    Here’s a snippet from TPM on how clueless the Justices are in weighing on the ACA. Scalia is taking his information from republican rags, not the law itself. Which is exactly the point of such rubbish as what was printed by the Daily Caller:

    TPMDC

    Supreme Court Justices Struggle With Health Policy And Key ‘Obamacare’ Facts
    Brian Beutler March 30, 2012, 2:39 PM 304

    In weighing the constitutionality of the health care law’s individual mandate, and possibly in deciding what to do with the rest of the law if they strike that provision, Supreme Court justices will have to confront key questions of health policy: What purpose does the mandate serve? How connected is it to other measures in the law? If those other measures must fall, too, what’s left? And is that new, diminished law the sort of policy that Congress might have passed if the mandate had proved politically infeasible in the first place?

    That’s a troubling reality for reform supporters.

    After oral arguments Tuesday — over the constitutionality of the mandate — and Wednesday morning — over how much of the law should stand if the mandate falls — conservative-leaning justices revealed a persistent lack of knowledge about the health care and health insurance markets, the structure of the law and its myriad provisions that have nothing to do with the mandate.

    At a number of junctures Tuesday, justices seemed confused — or willfully obtuse — about the nature of risk pooling, and the health insurance market.

    Solicitor General Donald Verrilli Jr. found himself at pains to emphasize two key points: that basically everybody is or will be in the health care market by virtue of being human, and that uninsured people who don’t or can’t pay their bills increase the cost of care — and therefore of insurance — for everybody else. Put the uninsured in the risk pool, and that cost-shifting goes away.

    Whether they were playing devil’s advocates, or simply unaware of the differences between insurance and other many other products, this fact seemed to elude the justices.

    “If people don’t buy cars, the price that those who do buy cars pay will have to be higher,” said Justice Antonin Scalia. On a basic level, this gets supply and demand backward. But as Brookings Institution economist Henry Aaron noted, even if you give Scalia the benefit of the doubt, he still betrayed ignorance of health-policy basics.

    “This response was and is bad economics,” Aaron wrote. “It is true that every commodity is produced along what economists call a ‘cost curve’ — raising output may lower average or marginal unit costs by spreading overhead or achieving economies of scale, but it may also raise costs by forcing up the cost of inputs or incurring diseconomies of scale. None of this occasions concerns about fairness or free-loading or, to use the economist’s term, ‘externalities.’ But the cost shifting that occurs when uninsured patients fail to pay their bills does; it causes one group — the insured — to have to pay part of the cost of services others use.”

    Beyond that, as health policy expert Kevin Outterson noted, the justices based many of their questions on the assumption that all insurance functions identically. Justice Samuel Alito in particular compared health insurance to burial insurance.

    “If a healthy person stays out of the pool, the average costs for those left in the pool are higher,” Outterson wrote. “That’s not true for underwritten insurance products (such as life or auto).”

    These facts are key to judgments about the uniqueness of the health care and insurance markets. They’re also key to understanding what the consequences of striking the mandate are if they deem it unconstitutional despite that uniqueness.

    We know that Scalia thinks the whole law should fall if the mandate falls, because he said so explicitly. But his contention is that the mandate the the heart of the law, and if the heart of the law falls, the whole law should go with it. In other words, the coverage guarantee, and subsidies, and insurance marketplaces and Medicaid expansion, and Medicare reforms, and so on are largely incidental.

    Perhaps Scalia was simply revealing bias against the law. And no doubt the mandate is a crucial piece of it. But two other eyebrow-raising comments he made suggests he and other justices might not be all that familiar with the multitudes it contains.

  156. DPH says:

    Thanks, Fe.

  157. Francis says:

    It seems to me that many states or regions in the USA are already like very different countries. I could very well envision the USA breaking up into regional or Provinces kinda like Canada. I live in California and could see a Pacific region extending up through Washington with progressive values guiding it laws as well as the South creating a Gulf Coast region where evangelical Christians institute biblical laws. The Northeast is very different from the rest of the country as is the mid-West. It feels as if we are struggling to keep American together when it may be much better for us to go our separate ways and create the kind of world we are all passionate about. Time would then tell the results of how these different regions pan out. As it now stands we are kinda holding each other back. The Supreme Court which is supposed to interpret our Constitution has already demonstrated over time that the Constitution can be interpreted in many different ways depending on ideology. So, in my mind, apart from language and a common money system Americans have little in common that unites us and frankly, I would love it if California was freed from the likes of Texas and the South.

  158. starlight says:

    Jeff Sessions? Seriously? You need to be careful where you get your information. He lives in the deepest part of the Kool Ade bowl.

  159. starlight says:

    I have had similar fantasies and I doubt we are the only ones.

  160. Wennye' says:

    I like the fantasy being a Californian but wouldn’t we have more wars on each states borders or Texans/Southerns sending missionaries to convert us? Maybe it wouldn’t make us safe if we are split..Blessings friend, Wennye’

  161. Lorrie U says:

    Francis – “It feels as if we are struggling to keep American together when it may be much better for us to go our separate ways and create the kind of world we are all passionate about.”

    I, too, often wish we could just split things up and we could choose which “country” to live in based on our beliefs. However, I’m sure that’s not very realistic. I live in Arizona, with some of the stupidest RW legislators imaginable, and where Dems are certainly in the minority. Unfortunately, I own a TH for less than what I would pay for rent and couldn’t sell for it’s value, probably couldn’t find a place in another part of the country I could afford, jobs are difficult to find anywhere. So, I’ll stick it out in AZ, hang out with my like-minded people, volunteer and fight to get these morons defeated. I imagine that’s the same-case scenario for most of us, so I guess we’ll have to learn to respect each other. I think the Universe has something like that in mind for us…

  162. shoalsister says:

    Speaking here as a blue dot in the red sea called Texas. Most of my adult life spent on either coast, I am now here by choice, due to circumstances too serious to ignore. There are other blue dots scattered here and there, most of us are not hiding, many of us use our voices, show by example. We cling to our lifelines out there in the blue regions. We send money to Elizabeth Warren, to DOMA challengers, to the Sierra Club. We read Starlight News! Often it occurs to me that the blue dots scattered throughout the red are somehow anchoring the light (too new age-y?)as the web grows across the whole land. Neptune brings the spiritual evolution to the edges of the land, as he spreads evolved consciousness inland he finds points to set his stake. I would feel a whole lot more sane if we would all be going through this together. There are many good folks here, doing the good work. Surely we have some redeeming qualities, something to offer in return. Don’t abandon us! Please…don’t even wish it. Please.

  163. Virginia says:

    It would not take a wall to keep *me* out of Texas. I don’t want to ever get with 100 miles of it.

  164. will says:

    Shoalsister,

    Write on! There is no question about it – it is more venerable and ultimately useful to be the tiny, albeit brilliant and benevolent blue dot in midst of all of that mindless scorched consciousness that surrounds you. History supports the notion that although they lose many battles, those single flames of truth and consciousness who often come off as the proverbial “lone voice in the wilderness” are indeed the prophets and vanguards of a better and more enlightened tomorrow. As long as there is that one flame from one single candle glowing in the darkness, darkness will never completely prevail. I live in Los Angeles and have for the last 33 years. Since the days of Ronald F—–g Regan, I’ve wanted California to merge with Oregon, Washington and British Columbia to form the much vaunted, smart and progressive Province of Cascadia. The problem with this is that it would probably eventually degrade into an obnoxious form of elitist provincialism. With that comes rigidity, ideology and a saturation of too much like-mindedness – and then we have become closed and narrow-minded and even more intolerant. Diaspora is ultimately a good thing when it comes to spreading the faith. Hang in there – we ain’t seen nothin’ yet.