The Recession

The Washington Post headline today screams like a blaring siren on a cold, dark night: Swift, Steep Downturn Crosses Globe. Indeed, the entire world economy seems to have fallen into the abyss. The larger view, in astrological terms, is described by the Saturn/Uranus opposition, repeating five times from late October 2008 through August 2010, and indicating a brutal clash between the old, rigid, and outworn patterns of the past and the pressing exigencies of a 21st Century, global economy. It is also described by the movement of mass consciousness, Pluto, from free-wheeling, unrestrained Sagittarius, where it lived from 1995 to 2008, to controlled, disciplined, and regulated Capricorn from late 2008 through 2023. While Uranus causes a sudden, often crisis-induced awakening to a new reality, rendering the past unexpectedly irrelevant, Pluto brings things to such a frenzied, exaggerated state that they implode, reborn into an entirely new form. Both of these processes describe what has been happening to the world’s financial underpinnings in the past few months as these planetary alignments take hold. Put another way, the Zeitgeist is now all about caution, careful planning, restraint, and regulation, but we are being repeatedly kicked in the teeth in order to realize it.

In addition to this “meta” perspective, astrology also helps us understand what is going on in individual countries, as well as in the lives of the individual citizens living within each nation. One interesting pattern on the national level is the pressure being put on Venus in the charts of the US, France, and Britian. (This pattern is likely more widespread, but I have not researched other national charts.) Venus is about comfort and peaceful, contented living. By extension, it also has to do with the banking industry, charities, the arts, and social connections. Its placement by sign and house, as well as a consideration of the houses it rules, will give further indication of its meaning in a particular chart. When transiting Pluto impacts Venus by conjunction or hard aspect, it gives a feeling of deep anxiety to an area that normally enjoys peace, financial comfort, and contentment. Moreover, it brings a sense of a desperate power struggle against an invisible but overwhelming force that seeks to engulf or destroy the contented Venusian lifestyle. This dynamic describes the impact of the financial meltdown today in the US, France, and Britain.

In the US chart, Venus is at 3Cancer06, opposed by transiting Pluto from late January to early May 2009, with Pluto’s station very close to an exact opposition and therefore extremely potent. This aspect will be re-energized when it crosses the opposition a second time in November and December 2009 and, finally, for the third crossing, from June through October 2010. These will be periods of extreme pressure and fear regarding the US capacity to maintain a comfortable standard of living for many of its citizens.

In the French chart (6/17/1789; Versailles; using noon), Venus is at 1Cancer17, also under pressure from a transiting Pluto opposition from late 2008 through October 2009. In addition, progressed Venus is conjunct progressed Saturn (20Pisces) from December 2008 through early 2010. Saturn’s influence in hard aspect or conjunction to Venus brings a feeling of contraction, loss, and burden. The combination of Pluto and Saturn impacting Venus suggests a very, very stressful economic period for France in 2009.

In both the French and the US charts, difficulties and hardship are likely to increase in November 2009 through mid-August 2010, when transiting Saturn in early Libra moves to square the French (1Cancer17) and US (3Cancer06) Venus positions. November, December 2009 and August 2010 are likely to be especially harsh with both transiting Saturn and transiting Pluto in hard aspect to natal Venus at the same time. (This will be the period of the very stressful Saturn/Pluto square.)

The British chart (1/1/1801; midnight; London) offers a slightly different picture, but again, it is Venus, the indicator of predictable enjoyment and contentment, that is under assault. Progressed Neptune (16Scorpio39) is in a multi-year station almost exactly square to natal Venus (16Aquarius32), the ruler of the Ascendant. This suggests a sense of erosion and confusion in recent years about the sense of British identity (Ascendant) and a vague sense of loss and confusion. This trend is exacerbated and laced with a feeling of fear and struggle from December 2008 through early August 2010 due to the minor hard aspects of both Saturn and Pluto impacting natal Venus intermittently during this period.

Taken altogether, these configurations suggest a worsening of the economic slump from November 2009 to August 2010 after what may be some false optimism between late May and mid-July 2009 (Jupiter/Neptune conjunction). It is possible we will be slowly on the road to recovery by 2011, but the increasingly volatile tension of the Uranus/Pluto square (2012 – 2015) that will impact the charts of numerous nations in the coming years is likely to create a gateway of further upheaval and transformation as we move to an ultimately more stable period later in the second decade of the 21st Century.

201 comments

  1. Zeroariestrian says:

    Thanks, Nancy. But what’s with the big blank spot under the headline “The Recession” and before the text starts?

  2. starlight says:

    I can’t seem to post the first paragraph. I don’t know why it isn’t working.

  3. starlight says:

    The first paragraph shows up in the place where I post but then here it shows up in white and then disappears. It is bizarre.

  4. starlight says:

    David will fix it tonight. In the meantime, run the cursor over the first paragraph to make it visible. Urgh!!

  5. Mark says:

    Ditto –

    It’s white type on a white background.

    Also, the type is extra large. Just FYI.

  6. LJ says:

    Starlight
    Guess we will work thro the open white space?
    Your info is always great, thank you.. I don’t want depressing thoughts to overcome us/even if we are in depression/recession times…working together, helping each other, American strength of improvising, will pull us thro.

  7. Sharon says:

    Thank you, Nancy. It is reassuring that 2011 should bring an upswing.

    Article by Thomas Friedman today about the Muslim community in Indian refusing to bury the 5 men who terrorized Mumbai for 2 days. They absolutely insist that Islam forbids killing and that these men are muderers not martyrs.

    I wish that that Muslims everywhere would stand up and say this loudly – I guess in some countries they would be killed if they did.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/18/opinion/18friedman.html

  8. LJ says:

    http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2009/02/investment-manager-stanford-wa.html

    People involved the Stanford/the next billion dollar fraud. Will find it later–but Congress could have brought this man down, but the Senate failed to pass laws to protect us.
    Looks like Sen. Dodd and Rangel even McCain, have had their hand in the cookie jar for too long! Dodd is in trouble in Connecticut.! Pluto in Cap. keeps shining the light on greed.

  9. Pat C says:

    http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/27775

    Skull & Bones sued for Geronimo’s remains

  10. Lorrie U. says:

    Here’s the first paragraph:

    Washington Post headline today screams like a blaring siren on a cold, dark night: Swift, Steep Downturn Crosses Globe. Indeed, the entire world economy seems to have fallen into the abyss. The larger view, in astrological terms, is described by the Saturn/Uranus opposition, repeating five times from late October 2008 through August 2010, and indicating a brutal clash between the old, rigid, and outworn patterns of the past and the pressing exigencies of a 21st Century, global economy. It is also described by the movement of mass consciousness, Pluto, from free-wheeling, unrestrained Sagittarius, where it lived from 1995 to 2008, to controlled, disciplined, and regulated Capricorn from late 2008 through 2023. While Uranus causes a sudden, often crisis-induced awakening to a new reality, rendering the past unexpectedly irrelevant, Pluto brings things to such a frenzied, exaggerated state that they implode, reborn into an entirely new form. Both of these processes describe what has been happening to the world’s financial underpinnings in the past few months as these planetary alignments take hold. Put another way, the Zeitgeist is now all about caution, careful planning, restraint, and regulation, but we are being repeatedly kicked in the teeth in order to realize it.

  11. LJ says:

    From Talking Points Memo And
    as Starlight predicts—-

    Fed downgrades economic forecast for this year, warns of long road to recovery

    JEANNINE AVERSA
    AP News

    Feb 18, 2009 14:17 EST

    The Federal Reserve on Wednesday sharply downgraded its projections for the country’s economic performance this year, predicting the economy will actually shrink and unemployment will rise higher.

    Under the new projections, the unemployment rate will rise to between 8.5 and 8.8 percent this year. The old forecasts, issued in mid-November, predicted the jobless rate would rise to between 7.1 and 7.6 percent.

    The Fed also believes the economy will contract this year between 0.5 and 1.3 percent. The old forecast said the economy could shrink by 0.2 percent or expand by 1.1 percent.

    The bleaker outlook represents the growing toll of the worst housing, credit and financial crises since the 1930s. All of those negative forces have plunged the nation into a recession, now in its second year.

    “Given the strength of the forces currently weighing on the economy,” Fed officials “generally expected that the recovery would be unusually gradual and prolonged,” according to documents on the Fed’s updated economic outlook.

    Against that backdrop, unemployment — now at 7.6 percent, the highest in more than 16 years — will keep climbing and stay elevated for quite some time, the Fed predicted.

    Fed officials anticipated that unemployment would remain “substantially” higher than normal at the end of 2011 “even absent further economic shocks.”

    Source: AP News

  12. clymela says:

    What’s with the President signing the stimulous bill for less than a trillion with all manner of noise and attention and the Secretary of the Treasurey signing for the banks more than 2 trillion to no fanfare at all?

  13. rc says:

    Weblog note. a thought. Presidents Obama stim bill signing.As i watched pbob on live stream i could not help but notice this one Statement at the end of the signing.” Lets Go To Work”..; As he arose from his seat and prouldly observed the situation. It was at that point when it hit me. Our president looks at His role in leadership like he is playing :old style basketball.:This country is his team , and he Is Larry Bird. That tells me that we have a far greater chance of success than what is being said by the negative “spinners. With Larry Bird Obama everyone gets the ball… a total team effort, tried true and proven. on course moon at signing. No black desk.

  14. LJ says:

    Some body tell me–why? are we catering to the banks and walking on egg shells around them–so as to not upset them…? They should be acountable–Where are they going to go?
    Canary Islands? Dubia? Aruba?
    And they sneak off with 2 trillion dollars?? No fanfare!

  15. me says:

    hi nancy,
    re: formatting on the first paragraph;
    you have tags around it- Heading 1 is styled to be white in your blog theme. just sign in, click ‘edit’ under this entry in wordpress and under the HTML tab remove the tags around the paragraph. also, when you paste from Word you get a lot of extra styling code – you have tons of class=”MsoNormal” paragraph tags on the text following the white passage- try saving text as Plain Text in Word before copying it into WordPress…

    ;-)

    p.s. enjoy reading your blog v. much!

  16. rc says:

    Hi LJ , Tonight 6:30 est World news tonight with Charlie Gibson .. watch this if you can. Charlie may try to connect Bill Clinton(judy) and Nancy Pelosi with Stanford, this may not bode well for either one of them, in the Eyes of President Obama.

  17. rc says:

    Hi LJ ,,,,oh well it looks like charlie took the night off… hmmm

  18. clymela says:

    Dear Friends, I could not find anything in GOOGLE to back up what I reported earlier about Geithner and the banks/the Fed I was reporting on something I heard this morning at the end of ‘The Morning Show” on KPFA. I apologize for being a source of bad info.

  19. starlight says:

    I fixed it, myself, without David. whew!!

  20. starlight says:

    me – Thank you for the guidance. I actually managed to figure it out on my own. The way Word Press works, I just post the plain text and it adds the code. But I had to go in and change the code this time. It is the first time it came up this way. When computers do weird stuff like this on their own and completely different from what they have always done, I go crazy!! I am finally calming down.

  21. LJ says:

    Starlight
    YEA, for the “women”.. we “can” fix things!

  22. starlight says:

    Anyway, back to the article. I thought it was interesting that the US, France, and Britain are all hit by the same Saturn/Pluto issues on Venus in 2009 and 2010. With the Pluto station literally almost exactly opposite the US Venus for the next few months, I think things will be very scary here through the first few days of May. Then we move into Jupiter/Neptune territory for a while. Then Jupiter stations on Obama’s Ascendant, so he is really feeling good. Then November 5 hits and all bets are off. Saturn moves into square with Obama’s Venus; Pluto is back in orb of opposite US Venus; Jupiter begins to separate from Obama’s Ascendant (Teflon gone, Saturn criticism arrives); Saturn begins to conjunct US MC (from 10/29), and squares transiting Pluto from 11/1.

    November and December are the months to watch. A big turning point. Obama will be quite angry with the Mars station near opposite his Ascendant and Uranus station opposite his Mars, more assertive than usual, but some big things will be happening, most of them not good.

  23. LJ says:

    rc
    I just read where Bill and Nancy Pelosi are friendss with Stanford–I had a site with many pictures of =his friends–including GW 43.. Cannot find it now–later… Here are pictures of Carribean Junket! None of us were invited. ———– And his drug cartel-money laundering! might be friends with Justice in Texas Johnny Sutton with the Ramos and Campion Border patrol guys. I have thought Jonny Sutton was buddies with the drug dealer, that we gave immunity too!! This might be better than Abranoff–as far as gossip goes?

    http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/fullpage/inter-american-economic-council-05-caribbean-junke.php

  24. LJ says:

    Starlight
    The Iraq War, Afghanistan military spending, might not bode well at that time either, with the public.

  25. Ali says:

    sigh…I miss the halcyon days of the campaign posts. Everything seems so dark and dreary. I send up a special prayer for Obama and his folks.

  26. Deborah says:

    Starlight Nancy—-

    Happy Belated Birthday ;-)

    I continue to appreciate the astrological insight you generously provide. It is like a dose of medicine. By reading about how the celestial patterns affect life-as-we-know-it we can know that ‘this too shall pass.’ And, we have the additional bonus of knowing approximately ‘when.’ While skeptics and others who are disinterested in this natural wisdom become overtaken by fear, we can actually relax (Yeah, to a point.)

    My own experience is that by ‘quietly’ following Astrology (I’ve learned not to share with too many or they quickly stop listening) I am able to offer reassurance and a sense of peace to friends and others who might be scared or upset about certain events. It is a rewarding feeling to be able to help ease fears such as during wild times like these by applying this special knowledge.

    And, to others here who share your Astrological skills and/or daily (hourly-ha, ha) observations of how these play out in the political/economic/social world. I think I gain as much helpful news here as through NPR! Not kidding.

  27. LJ says:

    Friend in High Places!

    Stanford’s photo of friends, and some that should
    not re-elected

    http://www.businessinsider.com/sir-allen-stanfords-circle-of-friends-2009-2

    We have a recession to look forward to now. Instead of the hype of a campaign. We could turn this into an astro-survival site too??! We could give growing veggie/herb tips–sites…making soups/maps to second-hand stores and tips on buying a cow and chickens??
    I am trying to find humor!

  28. LJ says:

    I was fooling around and found this–might be out of bounds? – might explain some of Uranus in Aries that is coming up? Maybe not?

    http://www.esotericastrologer.org/Newsletters/21%20EA%20NewsletterAries05.htm

  29. LJ says:

    Don’t like the Sound of this/banned in UK –we let him speak here? Freedom of speech, I know..

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/185216

  30. Julie W says:

    LJ: I love Phillip Lindsay’s work, a wealth of wisdom.

    Helena: I had to buy one of Flower Newhouse’s books. I had one of her books many years ago 20 or so on angels. This one I purchased is on Discipleship. Thanks for reintroducing me to her again.

  31. Julie W says:

    Pres. Obama’s talk on housing yesterday, he said we must get back to our core values and to begin to live within our means again. He speaks alot about values and morality and decency, how we lost them and how we must return to that which made us great.

    (Julie’s Inspiration for today)…

    AAB said “Arrest each unloving thought; stamp out each critical action and teach yourself to love all beings—not in theory but in deed and in truth. Peace be to you and strength to tread the Way.”

    - Discipleship in the New Age Vol. I p-475, by Alice A. Bailey

  32. Julie W says:

    “Tuesday night Comet Lulin, in its closest approach to our Earth, can be seen glowing green in the sky. Rural areas have the best sightings. We remember when something new appears in the sky, something new is appearing/occurring here on Earth. In both places, within Lulin and on Earth, that main emphasis is ‘green!’ New comets portent a new developmental stage beginning on Earth. We know this to be the new Aquarian culture and civilization that must be created. Comet Lulin is unusual, moves in the opposite directions as the planets, and it’s tail seems to be in front and not in back. It acts like Uranus – strange, unusual and revoutionary bringing forth new archetypes for humanity. Let’s begin with the revolution part. To read about Comet Lulin see this site.”

    Site: Nightlightnews.com

  33. rc says:

    Good morning LJ.. On corrupt goverment officials. I can only say that with starlights council on the the stars that I as an american citizen would demand that all congressmen and senetors return to there home states. There they should Stay as to see to the current problems first hand.Most importantly, this will bring corrupt ones back to the voters who can can then WATCH them and deal with them accordingly… No more trips,,, no more junckets, no more travel. Empty out washington. Send this gaggle back home. We need to start over and this would be first thing… Period. An old piece of wisdom … keep my enemies closest. If president Obama needs an envoy he can pick his players. There is too much money that will vanish the same way as before….. junkets and travel trips and secret deals outside of our country..

  34. rc says:

    Weblog note. It appears that Hillary has Upset the North Koreans ,, google news,,, Who would of thought that. The Clintons need to be “crashed” into. There time has run out. They need to get out of the way. But we will leave that business to the stars and the planets. The true separaters.

  35. Gypsi says:

    An astrologer on one of my lists attributes the following world events to a strange green comet named Lulin and its approaching conjunction to planets in our system, and the continuing Saturn / Uranus opposition. I love it when stuff comes home to roost on the super-wealthy cheaters. Must be my poverty attitude and my 75 chevy…

    Gypsi

    Another Major Financial Scandal Ahead

    U.S. Breaks Will Of Giant Swiss Bank UBS

    Wealthy Americans Funneling Billions Off-Shore Soon to Come Face To Face
    With Uncle Sam

    Theodore White Jr., classical scientific astrologer

    There are 17,000 wealthy Americans, mainly Republican-leaning
    individuals with direct connections to the former Robber Barron
    Bush/Cheney co-presidency, who will wake up to a shock on February 19.
    It has been reported that the U.S. Justice Department has struck a deal
    with the Swiss banking giant UBS (this is the awe part) to hand over
    their formerly secret identities to U.S. authorities.

    http://www.ubs.com/1/e/about/news.html?newsId=162297

  36. rc says:

    Gypsi: ‘ thats what were talking about’ great post

  37. LJ says:

    rc
    We all can see now–since we are paying more attention to politics—all Americans–not just us here. We are being run by millionaires. We need people in Congress, that have no more than 100/200 thousand in bank, have worked outside Politics and know how the Americans really live.
    All the old Congress people need to be voted out. They have a career of power–pd. by us.
    Hillary and Bill–yesterdays’ old dirty laundry–but America does not see that yet. I have to tolerate this–Hillary has a superior attitude- so, guess she doesn”t care about Korea—-will read more, tho. No more junkets to the islands!

  38. LJ says:

    Julie W
    It is easy for Obama and all Congress to lecture us about core values. We will watch theirs now!!
    Glad I have always had to budget–I will not notice any difference now–and am like gypsi–but my car is 1996/runs great. So far, so good!

  39. LJ says:

    John Kerry visits Gaza–what is he up to??

    http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2009/02/john_kerry_visits_gaza_strip_1.php

    Looks like Netanayu? will win Isreal election?

  40. Pat C says:

    http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/story/1636911.html

    CA legislature passes budget in record-breaking length session.

    Sacramento Bee

    The state Senate voted early Thursday to approve a massive budget package of tax increases, spending cuts and borrowing to close a $40 billion deficit after granting major concessions to one holdout Republican senator.
    Lawmakers had been at a five-day impasse until Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and legislative leaders Thursday agreed to give Sen. Abel Maldonado, R-Santa Maria, major changes he demanded in exchange for providing a crucial 27th vote for the state budget.

  41. clymela says:

    I am grateful that life has never offered me the option of great wealth-so much easier then to hold to my “core values”.

  42. rc says:

    Hi LJ , Wait until Putin pulls Nuke out of Iran Based on Pbob doing the same with Israel. This is Key for the ME. What we call ” a nuclear clean playing field” for future permanent peace.

  43. LJ says:

    http://antiwar.com/radio/2009/02/17/jason-ditz/
    Radio interview about Isreal elections–it’s just ok!

    rc
    That would be great news out of Iran and Isreal–
    do not think Isreal will do it tho… I think Putin’s buddy –Medeyvia {sp?} is a Virgo..? not sure? He will look at all details. Isreal has no plans to give up anything, I do believe. I am already tired of the Arab/Christian/Jewish mess.
    None of the world has money nor energy to keep fighting this/ and for what? World Power? We have to face, that we are all broke, and we need food and not bombs…

  44. LJ says:

    rc
    I cannot post commdreams.org–It will never let me post articles from there?? Universe does not like it I guess?
    But check out–commondreams.org–Letter to Obama–stop the Nukes

  45. LJ says:

    A World Free of Nuclear Bombs by David Krieger
    commondreams.org

  46. Julie W says:

    LJ: Barack said that we would have to start living within our means and that we have to GO BACK to our core values — as if we have been without them — helloooo! However, since I programmed myself to be one without a lot of money, hopefully this period will not be such a “culture shock”. However, I wish I had programmed myself to be more affluent, as I would at this time in my life “shared the wealth” and not be so greedy. Money can be a great blessing or it can be a curse.

  47. rc says:

    Hi LJ , This is not just an Israel Arab thing. It is a World Thing. It is only logic and forsight and the math of astrology that tells me that very soon these weopons will be dismantled and scraped by all those that posess them. Thay are out dated and no longer necessary. The new benifits of science will make more apparent very , very soon. Relax. We still have time and are close to achieving our objective.

  48. LJ says:

    Julie W
    Wish I had programmed myself too, to be more affluent, and I could help more organizations too. However: I have been stupid all these years, in “not” thinking I was poor. I have been able to pay for things, plodding along, humming “twiddlely dee” But now, I can see and wondering how I ever made it?? Ignorance is bliss. If I had realized how poor I was, it would have scared me to death!! Things are better now. But this administration and Congress can
    lecture themselves and their friends…they all are the greedy ones. And again, hope some get voted out. Az. will probably remain stupid and put McCain back in…

  49. Crystal says:

    This article pertains to our current financial crisis. US going after UBS bank headquartered in Switzerland to find all the crooks who shelter their millions there.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090219/ap_on_re_eu/eu_switzerland_banking_secrecy

  50. LJ says:

    I feel the same about Burris–might as well go after ALL of them———-

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/2/19/105151/569/430/699284

  51. LJ says:

    Forgot to add–the GOP is pouring money into Minnesota to help Coleman try and hold on to his seat!!

  52. LJ says:

    crystal
    Great this is happening and next the Cayman Islands?

  53. will says:

    Starlight,

    Your planetary prognostications feel right on the mark with everything I’ve been culling from reliable sources. I suppose the most important piece to bear in mind is that this too shall pass. Its all cyclical on some level. The other good thing is that sooner or later, we will adapt to these difficult times as we collectively learn to accept them and embrace the necessary changes. Easier said but who needs negativity?

    Best to you and all.

  54. LJ says:

    This is the Most Accurate article I have read in Years
    Reasons we are in Afghanistan–in Print!

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/2/19/14150/5844/304/699386

  55. LJ says:

    So Much for out Justice Dept–and Transparency In Gov..!!

    http://stateofthedivision.blogspot.com/

  56. LJ says:

    Phil Gramm’s deal –UBS and DOJ

    http://peureport.blogspot.com/

  57. LJ says:

    July 2008**
    Phil Gramm’s UBS Problem

    http://www.slate.com/id/2194933/

  58. rc says:

    Ali and all, Re: 6:42 am post ” how i miss the halcyon days. Sigh…. if i may , let me tell what I think is going on. I will speak in tems of color to help you visualise this answer. The usa has always been politically represented by red and blue colors ( reference any 2009 electoral vote color map). With starlights planetary guidence . I can proudly tell you that red and blue have been “crashed”(new term for this kind of stuff)(LJ et others) Uranus being impatiant in this matter now in His Age” Thus, the nation has a new color ,,Purple,, we have finally blended, the old party system is going , going, ,,,,,,Gone. …..

  59. LJ says:

    rc
    We are almost there–not yet– not yet purple. Still too many old foggies around! Can you imagine what the Aries will do? when Uranus transits thro Aries?
    Just read Andrew Sullivan, the Atlantic, that the GOP is just becoming a Christain right-Evangelical Party–not Conservative only.
    Sarah Palin has to pay back taxes–back taxes–hooray!!

  60. rc says:

    Hi LJ when left moves right and right move left , all at once, all gets blended, old, young and middle. Age does not matter…. Hi LJ when is the uranian aries transit ,, Oh and what does the color purple signify ,, for I do not know, council is welcome .tkx rc

  61. LJ says:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-klein-and-paolo-pontoniere/helicopters-cover-ups-and_b_167568.html

    Helicopters and Cover-ups–Italian Helicopters??

    rc
    purple is a royal color/royalty/ violet is a 7th Chakra color–spiritual.. Uranus in Aries starts June 2010. Aries will probably crash off the planet/run right off..
    Did you read about UBS and more deals?

  62. rc says:

    Hi LJ , Yes the Ubs. This is The Power of Good Legitimate , Ethical , Powerfull people with monetary assetts as well. “Cleaning House”. It is there Obligation to expose all with no biases. race, creed ,color or religion… This being compelled on all of Them. as commaned by the stars. This is all about the cleansing out the bad. I would really love to speculate the names before hand. But I will not, for I have no idea. Once those names do appear, The connect the dotsters are going to have an aquarian field day. I anxiousy await.

  63. LJ says:

    rc
    as usual you did not read the fine print–as of now, they will only tell us 250 names–out of the 17,000. Everything else is “under seal”. I love that term. My finances are under seal too! Phil Gramm got a sweetheart deal–probably because our DOJ Dept. forgot to send him a Valentine!?
    UBS has 4 yrs. to pay the fine–by that time all of us will have forgotten about it, and it probably never will be pd. John McCain’s name is probably on the list..
    We are going to have 60/70,000 troops in Afghanistan– for 3/4 yrs=== forever.

    NWO–New Financial Order

    http://www.ft.com/cms/0bf146a6-bfcc-11dd-9222-0000779fd18c.htm?segid=60002&ftcamp=crunch/hse_ad/highlights-box_crunchSTIGGONZHANDSros//60002

  64. rc says:

    Hi LJ , My close up eyesight is poor. You are very right. But i stand by my post. This is a planetary age thang…. it does not happen often , but when it does .. Bang…. tkx for the info on june 2010 and most importantly the colors. I like the violet better than purple.. yes yes red +blue = Violet

  65. rc says:

    HiLJ and lastly for me tonight. Watch if you can Nat Geo ,The known Universe, Pay particular attention to the first episode on Speed. Remember the name Dr Chang Diaz, The 2oo mega watt Plasma Magneto Rocket. The engine will be ready for test around 2011 . It will Revolutionize space travel. Hint:: This may be just what the uranian aries transit will be about. wow

  66. Helena says:

    Starlight, Israel’s Venus is 4:49 Cancer, so your article is pertinent to that country as well.

    It appears that the global economic crisis has not yet affected Israel as severely as the EU, Great Britain and the US, but given the Venus placement, it looks like they will be caught in it down the line. Not surprisingly, Israel currently is being hurt by a decline in exports. Also, it looks like Netanyahu will be PM and Israel will have a right wing government. This does not bode well for the well being of the Palestinians, Iran, or ME peace. Saturn Pluto doesn’t bode well for ME peace either for the next two years. It’ll be interesting to see what influence, if any, Obama brings to the table.

    http://www.fxstreet.com/news/forex-news/article.aspx?StoryId=ada88b0b-95b6-46a4-a7b8-ef795a9ef934

  67. LJ says:

    rc
    By 2010, we will need more speed to run around with. It will keep the adrenlin going and we won’t think about a recession. Can you imagine 52,000 UBS clients-hiding- their assets and for now we get to know 250–bet it is the poorest? Love the system…..

  68. Helena says:

    Julie, your welcome. F. Newhouse and Michael the Archangel came to mind when reading a post about danger to Obama. I have two of her books and haven’t read them since the ’70s! I also have many of Alice Bailey’s books. Introduction to astrology was through her books.

    As for the AAB quote, to actually DO that – what I’ve found most helpful is remembrance, being mindful and present in the moment, going about the day thinking of and addressing the divine no matter what’s going on outside. Can’t go for hours on end distracted, busy, indulging, mechanical and asleep, and not be blind sighted by negative emotions, habit patterns, etc. let alone meditate! Am interested in yours and others’ thoughts on the “how.”

  69. LJ says:

    Sarah Palin is finally going to the starving West. Alaskans with Franklyn Graham and cameras rolling.. Article say Graham is friends with Greta Van Sustren! All of this will not make God happy, and will not bode well in the outcome….We all should be happy to not walk in their shoes. Stop all negative thoughts with a devine one…Notice the beauty around you, no matter what is going on.

    http://shannynmoore.wordpress.com/

  70. LJ says:

    Who’s President?
    Clinton Says Obama Should Sound More Hopeful!
    Where has Bill been for the last 8 yrs?

    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/President44/story?id=6916695&page=1

  71. Julie W says:

    Helena/All: Came accross this passage, thought it was beautiful and inspirational! By all means Masters teach never fail to keep in contact with the Higher Self, i.e.,(meditation/prayer/practice of the presence)….

    “When one begins his or her path to higher consciousness, they are encouraged to embrace and practice the natural law of love. For it is love that resurrects our soul and restores our peace. Whenever we choose love over anger, or over any of the other lower emotions, we begin to “purge” ourselves of the adverse mental and emotional conditions which may have produced chaos, pain, “dis-ease” and turmoil in our psyche and circumstances. Those who practice the law of love ascend a “measure” with each victory attained over the “lower nature” and experience greater and greater blessings. Everything around them is “lifted up” with them. Until, finally, they are off of the cross of “self” and attain liberation. ” Site: templeofsolomong.org

  72. Julie W says:

    LJ: Read your Daily Kos article on Afghanistan and pipeline. I have faith in Barack Obama. He is wise enough not to speak all, tell all, what his real “Intentions” are until it is too late for anyone to change direction.

  73. Pat says:

    Violet/Purple opposite/complimentary color yellow 8th house ruled by Pluto, Scorpio
    spirituality depression
    mysterious, mourning
    deep- unconventional
    internalization immaturity
    universal passion orgiastic
    power corruption
    regal ostentatious
    sensuality decadence

    Violet is a true spectral hue, last on the rainbow,
    apart from purple. It is the shortest wavelength and the HIGHEST ENERGY, occupying a narrow band at the end of the spectrum, before it becomes “ultraviolet” unseeable to humans. Some flowers utilize ultraviolet to attract insects able to perceive ultraviolet. It is called “bee purple”.
    ( hummmm, could this be connected to Colony Collapse Disorder?)
    A beam of purple light shown on a metal plate throws out a shower of electrons. There is an energy exchange with radiation & absorbtion happening. This is the photoelectric effect that operates electric eye doors as in elevators.

    Purple color sources in nature…..rare & costly: Tyrian Purple from a mollusk, ( process now lost) Maganese Oxide a fugitive color used to make medieval purple glass, now maganese appropriated by the Pharmaceutical business,
    (arthritis meds) not available to artists for color!
    Until recently : A DIFFICULT COLOR TO MIX SYNTHETICALLY…RED & BLUE TENDING TO SEPERATE!
    My acrylic purple paint: Dioxizine purple ( PV 23 RS)
    William Henry Perkins mixed up Perkin’s Mauve and was knighted for his discovery
    Lyon France utilized the color fuchsine, ( after the flower fuchsia) called it Magenta afte the Italian Village of that name; site of a very bloody Franco Prussian battle…..Queen Voictoria popularized the color wearing a somber version as mourning.
    Populat color 1930′s – 40′s ( my Mother had a Ship and shore cotton skirt with matching shoes that I coveted as a child)..lost favor during the Eisenhower period ( I seem to remember a lot of ORANGE plastic then)
    and returned with a bang during the 60′s! Social Rebellion, unconventional, shaking up the status quo!!!!
    I rest my case!

  74. Noelle says:

    Julie W I love the spiritual info you post. Keep it up.

    Pat, I use violet light to remove negative energy from others and pink violet to send love energy.

  75. BA says:

    This is very good, but you will need a high speed internet connection, as it is in HD:

    See link below.

    View the complete 1-hour HD streaming video of the Edge event that took place at Hubert Burda Media’s Digital Life Design Conference (DLD) in Munich on January 27th as the greatest living psychologist and the foremost scholar of extreme events discuss hindsight biases, the illusion of patterns, perception of risk, and denial.

    DANIEL KAHNEMAN is Eugene Higgins Professor of Psychology, Princeton University, and Professor of Public Affairs, Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs. He is winner of the 2002 Nobel Prize in Economic Sciences for his pioneering work integrating insights from psychological research into economic science, especially concerning human judgment and decision-making under uncertainty. NASSIM NICHOLAS TALEB, essayist and former mathematical trader, is Distinguished Professor of Risk Engineering at New York University’s Polytechnic Institute. He is the author of Fooled by Randomness and the international bestseller The Black Swan.

    http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/kahneman_taleb_DLD09/kahneman_taleb_DLD09_index.html

  76. LJ says:

    Pat
    Your post on color was fabulous. I love using/being in color. The extra info is great.
    When rc brought it up, I had to dredge up my memory on past teachings. Out of the blue too, a woman called me, that wants to start a Energy Healing business/teachings. She got my name somewhere–and I do not talk publically about astro. etc. so, it was weird… She wanted a good date-numerology to start etc. etc. It was great for me, because I had to dredge up more info, …charting a practical path with a spiritual one is wonderful . She should be good, a dble Scorpio with Moon in Pisces. Sharing knowledge, is what life is about, too..

  77. Julie W says:

    Noelle: Thank you.

  78. rc says:

    Good Morning Pat. A most thorough explanation on the violet. There is now much more insight on this matter than It first appeared . I will watch more closlely for this color.

  79. LJ says:

    Julie W
    I love your posts too, and I love you, but———–Afghanistan and the pipeline has been going on since at least, old George–maybe part of the Shah being put in Iran , for oil This is not just a Obama situation. The Caspian Sea oil pipeline is critcal, and has to do with Russia–Turkey, the pipeline connection in Georgia etc. Karzia, in Afghanistan comes from Unicol Oil-connections with Condi Rice, and old George. Bill Richardson, when he was the Clinton Sec. of Energy, was working on this. I believe Iran and Russia have an old oil agreement that gets in the way too. I am happy that this Neptune Veil gets pushed aside, finally, and we have more articles like the Kos. The truth, has to finally come out, and the lying stopped. The Caspian Sea area is full of riches/minerals, and the British are there, last I read with the gold mining…This just keeps going on from one administration to the next and it is difficult, because the Afghan’s etc, do not want to be used and occupied. As powerful as we are? do you not think it is odd that we cannot stop the poppy growing–unless it is not lucritive for us too?The Iran/Russia problem gets as complicated as Isreal/Palestine. I think the more troops we have in that area, we squeeze Iran off, and if Isreal bombs Iran, we have troops there already. Whatever, –but we have to have that pipeline for the oil companies and more business. It is all about the money–no matter what administration it is. Americans have to stop this–and maybe we can, with help from Pluto and Uranus. It will take time tho, and tomorrow is not soon enough for me–we have had too many years of lying and killing.

  80. LJ says:

    BA
    Your post and info on edge.org– is great will watch the end later. Sounds similar to the Shock Doctrine?

    Julie W
    It is easier too, to keep folowing the same political patterns too, when we get same old intermingling of leaders/people/friends in one Gov. administration to the next. Sec. Gates should go– Bill Clinton is upsetting me, everyday his face is in a camera, judgeing Obama, or talking about the administration. This is not supposed to be about him, Obama is President now!

  81. LJ says:

    China Is “Shopping” Globally!! Investing Global!
    no wonder Hillary went there first———

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/21/business/worldbusiness/21yuan.html?hp

  82. Alaska says:

    Julie W, I also love the uplifting, spiritual things that you post. I have actually printed some of them out to save. Please keep posting them! They are very healing.

  83. LJ says:

    This is from “Stars Over Washington..”

    Hopefully, with the dire conditions in our nation and the world today, the Rudhyar estate will pardon me for quoting the rest because we could all use its wisdom now, imho:

    Men who do not depend upon collective values, traditions, or support but seek at any cost to be true to their individual self and destiny almost inevitably face some kind of crucifixion.

    They are sustained only by the power within them, to which light above answers. The symbol tells us: ‘Be true to thine own self, and in the midst of the outer confusion displayed by those surrounding you, you will realize what you really are as an individual–a son of God.’

  84. Julie W says:

    LJ: My God, that is beautiful from starsoverwashingon and a hopeful sign of the Aquarian energy which is coming in. On Morning Joe the other morning they were talking about Ghandi and his practice of non-violence to institute change. It was very enlightening.

  85. Julie W says:

    Alaska: Thank you.

  86. will says:

    Why doesn’t someone just pour cement down the throats of Limbaugh and Coulter?

    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/02/20/lkl.coulter.long.cnn

  87. LJ says:

    Julie W
    thank you, I thought it was something we all needed to read. I bark and rant, but I need inspiration to balance that out. And I do have strong blief ideas, the Universe, God and Karma. I have had some real strong experiences and proof that someone is watching out for me and my family. I would like that we concentrate on people with troubles, and send them strength and energy to overcome their problems.

  88. LJ says:

    Will
    I just heard Hannity on the radio too.–He is dangerous. He was praising Bill Clinton for criticizing Obama, for telling us the truth–that we are in trouble. Hannity etc, are disgusting people, and I am very annoyed with Bill too–said that already today! –Obama is having too much trouble with the GOP, to add anyone else to that.,,and in his own party…All the GOP are crossing the line…..

  89. starlight says:

    Helena – Not only will Pluto be opposite Venus in 2010 but it will be quincinx the Moon simultaneously, activating the natal conjunction of Pluto and Moon. Those periods look like times of intense anxiety for the people of Israel. The first (1/13 to 2/19/10) corresponds with the final Uranus square to Israel’s natal Uranus/progressed Venus (24Gemini21) in January and early February 2010. Progressed Moon is also square Saturn around this time. I think early 2010 will be a dangerous and very upsetting time, really frightening people. Pluto on both feminine planets at once spells high anxiety. I would worry about another round of terrorism or a more efficient rocket launching system from Hamas. I wish they could re-found the country with a more peaceful chart.

  90. rc says:

    Hi LJ ,Some times You are a genius. By the Bill Clinton Posts , I believe that You have helped me to answer two Questons. When did all the Lying start and Who started it. When will all the lying end. ,,, The start was in 1992 . The whom was The Leader of The World our President. The end point was 2009. This 17 year period will be my poli-astro historical time pinpoint. We can now focus our total energies now for the delving of truths . This type of pinpointing is verrrry important as so do not waste valuable energy going tooo farrr back in time……….:If You Mr President Can Lie -So Cant I:…… Barry Bonds……Mark Magire…. {Monica}Bernie M…. The Sweedish Bank ……..BLAGO… and so on and so forth .History will hold Mr. Bill Clinton to be fully responcible. .- Now the moral to story. The first most important ingrediant in any leader of people is this:::Are they honest. ….. Finally to Close , Judy (Bill Clinton) stepped to far into Our Presidents Realm, with his comments today, confirming his further guilt…. I am now comfortable to say That Pbob is not a liar. Ican trust him as a leader not to tell me a lie. Thus The lying Has Ceased. Honest Abe is Back in The House. Woe be the Clinton in this astrological on going mixmaster. This man Has lied all a long time. He is sadly clinical. tkx i hope this post makes sense.

  91. starlight says:

    rc – The only thing I would quibble with is that the Iran/Contra scandal was built on a pack of lies under Ronald Reagan. And the whole Watergate thing was pretty dishonest. Jimmy Carter was honest, but it didn’t get him very far.

  92. rc says:

    Hi Starlight. Quibble accepted. But i think that time period has passed on, too far back for the urananian lightning bolt.

  93. rc says:

    Hi Starlight. Humbly , if I may add , I dont think Jimmy Carters part in this scene has played out yet. His honesty ready ,when it will be needed the most, in the diplomatically critical times ahead. tkx rc

  94. starlight says:

    Facing the deep painful truth about the budget, bringing hidden poisons into the air for cleansing: Pluto opposite US Venus. This is also another aspect of having an honest president.

    http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/02/20/obama-budget/

    Yesterday, the New York Times reported that President Obama, in the budget he’s releasing next week, will not use “four accounting gimmicks that President George W. Bush used to make deficit projections look smaller.”

    The changes: account for the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (”overseas military contingencies”) in the budget rather than through the use of “emergency” supplemental spending bills, assume the Alternative Minimum Tax will be indexed for inflation, account for the full costs of Medicare reimbursements, and anticipate the inevitable expenditures for natural disaster relief.

    These changes would make the debt over ten years look $2.7 trillion larger than the distorted Bush baseline, but that debt was always there. It was just being hidden. President Bush’s budgets hid billions with elaborate budget gimmicks. They took war-spending off the books, tried to eliminate the costs of wildly expensive tax cuts for the wealthy, and claimed savings through unrealistic, unspecified future cuts in vital discretionary spending.

    As Steve Benen wrote, “the smoke-and-mirrors approach to which we’ve grown accustomed was ridiculous. It was a problem policymakers recognized, but didn’t want to talk about, and had no interest in fixing. It’s not only heartening to see Obama bring some sanity to the process, it will also have key practical consequences — honest budgets lead to better policy making.”

  95. starlight says:

    I mention the above because Pluto is not just about anxiety and the fear of being overwhelmed and engulfed, it is also about deeper truths being revealed and causing a kind of purging. It is ultimately healthy but can be quite painful to endure.

  96. LJ says:

    Obama and Geithner Did Not Go Far Enough–
    And they want to sneak in changes in the Exec. Pay at a later time!……………………….

    http://www.creators.com/opinion/jim-hightower/ending-the-culture-of-executive-entitlement.html

  97. LJ says:

    rc
    Your post at 6:47, and you are probably on to something else now? Nixon was bad, but I think Iran-Contra was worse–my opinion–because Congress was lied to also and the whole thing was pardoned and it set-up more evil. That is why I cannot understand?? cannot**, why the American people put up with old George. The media and spin on him is a joke–He just got a Naval Carrier named after him.. That is lies and hypocricy. I think you will have to go back to 1981/82–or the beginning of Ronald Reagan’s Presidency–when the Iran hostages were released.
    I hope some of you saw PBS–Bill Moyers tonight.

  98. LJ says:

    http://www.couragerenewal.org/parker

    Parker Palmer was on Bill Moyers tonight–this video is great too–a movement will be started by Uranus in Aries..
    Seems like I misunderstood, but thought I heard? each soldier going to Afghanistan will cost $770,000.00 each. This is a sad state of affairs.

  99. LJ says:

    Obama Backing Bush!!
    OOhhh–this is what happens when you surround yourself with old establishment same old/same old people and “hawks”..
    so what’s next?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/20/obama-backs-bush-on-bagra_n_168766.html

  100. LJ says:

    No Bottom for Financial Collapse!

    http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE51K0A920090221

    No matter what, Obama is the best we have right now…And I love the Stevie Wonder Concerts!

  101. Charles says:

    A few zeroes more or less what is the difference. excerpt out of Midas newsletter
    Just for the US!!
    Housing bailout: $2 trillion
    Fannie/Freddie bailout $4 trillion
    Auto bailout: $1 trillion
    Banking bailout $15 trillion
    Pension bailout $2 trillion
    Entitlements $20 trillion
    State and local government bailout $5 trillion
    Sundry stimulus $3 trillion
    5% failure rate on all derivatives $25 trillion

    Total FRN’s: $77 trillion

    As you can see these figures are above and beyond normal budget deficits, and exclude bailouts in other sectors. Does anybody think under this hyperinflationary scenario that at $1,500 gold will be a bubble? If the answer is no I’ll keep adding zeros, and somebody can stop me when I’m close. $15,000 an oz? $150,000 an oz? $1,500,000 per oz? But wait, it gets better, or worse, as you would have it. Like Bill H. said we have 40 years of catching up to do with the price of gold so we should already be starting hyperinflation from $3,000 – $5,000. Shall we start the zero-adding process all over again?

  102. LJ says:

    Here we Go!–Stevie Wonder at the White House–This is what makes it all worth while–PBS 2-25-09.. Except I want it each month, and TI and
    Ludicris on the White House Lawn!

    http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/02/20/stevie-wonder-earth-wind-and-fire-to-rock-the-white-house/

  103. holos says:

    Julie W,
    Thank you for bestowing most inspirational words re living the ‘Law of Love’ vs worry, fear, anger etc. the lower realm… and how our total environment Lifts when we do this….

    Along w/ daily meditation, prayer and practicing the Presence,
    The Psychic Consortium on the astrology,spiritual,alternative healing forum on dem.undergrd.com says they would add ‘study’ to that list of true ways to develop Higher Consciousness.

    Pat C,
    So loved your wondrous post on enlightening colors, vis a vis astrology and beyond:)

    Also, have wanted to thank you for your, as usual amazingly great find(s), you posted on earlier thread re latest scientific research pertaining to our life w/in a Hologram shaped like a pringle:) Which quantum physicists agree upon….

  104. holos says:

    Charles,
    Great news re gold…where could 1 read more about possibility of gold’s increasing value.

  105. holos says:

    starlight.
    Thank you for adding less scary definitons to Pluto … good to be reminded that there are 2 sides to everything… archetype and astro aspect.

    GW always manifested the darker side of his chart and transits, and Pres. Obama is living out the light side…’the better angels’ within the aspects … according to his personal karmic soul level….the reason why identical twins (seconds apart) w/ all the same elements, placements, aspects and angles can lead such different lives.

  106. Pat C says:

    My dear holos, though I agree with every word of that post, I can not take credit for posting it. A lovely artist who posts under the name PatQOP gave us that colorful wisdom. She posts often on Astroworld.

    Thank you for giving me such credit. ;-)

    …….

    http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/print/200903/meltdown-geography

    How the Crash Will Reshape America

    I of course am convinced that the undoing of the “ownership society” and the demise of the middle class has been manufactured and a long time in the making for all that have had eyes to see.

  107. Pat C says:

    The president’s mortgage rescue plan delivered the goods says this FT editorial:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/11e4c3f8-febf-11dd-b19a-000077b07658.html

    Obama hits home on foreclosures

    Published: February 19 2009 19:59 | Last updated: February 19 2009 19:59

    Like Icarus, many American homeowners are now paying the price of their disdain for gravity. So are investors in mortgage-backed securities, who bet that US house prices would not fall. But as the housing bubble deflates, it also drags innocent victims into a wave of foreclosures. The Obama administration’s plan to help homeowners, after its underwhelming stimulus and bank rescue packages, is a welcome move to provide relief.

    More…

    —————

    The stimulus package tax cuts are being implemented forthwith according to this AP article:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090221/ts_nm/us_obama

    Obama tells Treasury to begin cutting taxes

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama ordered the U.S. Treasury on Saturday to implement tax cuts for 95 percent of Americans, fulfilling a campaign pledge he hopes will help jolt the economy out of recession.

    More…

  108. starlight says:

    This is what Obama will do to bring down the deficit. It reminds me that we finally have a grownup in charge. I hope he can get it past Congress before the next election.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/22/us/politics/22budget.html?hp

  109. BA says:

    Re Gold:

    Ultimate price depends on many variables:

    In case of hyperinflation, no top if currency depreciates to zero. Terms of reference change with introduction of new currency.

    2. Human lemming behavior: If everyone rushes into gold, it will rise to a peak (5k, 6k, 12k?) then perhaps fall if hard austerity is imposed and the USD stabilized.

    3. If it becomes somehow tied to a new monitary standard, it should retain a high value which could relate to total money in circulation vs above ground stocks of gold.

    Ultimately, the value is placed on it by collective human minds… known as the market.

    IMHO we are still early in this… based on govmt behavior.

  110. BA says:

    On the other hand, if Obama can bring off fiscal discipline, then perhaps this is the top.

    However, based on Fed behavior to date, and the Stimulus record to date, I dont think so.

  111. rc says:

    Hi Starlight. Re; Last night 6:47 post .I have been set straight. The Reach of the Uranian Lighting Bolt. The Iran Conta affairs , the Nixonian Lie, are all within reach. The power of Uranus flows through all living life, it is electric..When dealing with the past in terms of purging the bad. Its reach backwards = the age of the living body involved,the older it is ,the longer its reach will extend. In simple terms , The full power in my age realm as to cleanse the evil ceases in 1992. I am young, , There are many much older and more wiser than myself. Thankyou for your council in this important matter.

  112. Stefanie says:

    I have been researching the purchase of gold for some time. (Prior to the entry of Pluto into Capricorn). Just because there is such a huge glut of info, mostly by sellers, I have not been able to figure out the best way to do so. I am of little means, so can’t afford much, but I see this as an insurance policy vs. an investment. My parents, who have more cash than I do, are finally getting that the economy is collapsing, even though I’ve been warning them for several years. They’re ready to start buying gold too. Has anyone here gone through the process and do you have any advice about where and how to acquire physical gold from a trusted (read: not a seller) source?

  113. rc says:

    Hi Stephanie : Re reread Starlights first paragraph on The Recession. When get to the part on Zeitgeist ,there you will find your investment answer. “”Its all about {Caution},carefull planning,restraint,and regulation.””

  114. Lorrie U. says:

    Market Week by Ray Merriman

    The Gold bugs may have it right this time. After declining 1.9% in December, the PPI (Producer Price index) shot up a remarkable +.9% for January, an upward swing of 2.8%! The CPI (Consumer Price Index) was down .8% in December but up .3% in January, a change of over 1%. As stated previously, this is consistent with the principles of Jupiter and Neptune approaching their conjunction in Aquarius, which is coming up May through July, 2009, with a third passage in December.

    As discussed at length in this year “Forecast 2009” book, Jupiter conjunct Neptune has tendency to be very inflationary, and once it starts, it will be much faster and steeper than anyone expects or is prepared for. Except, maybe, the Gold traders. They seem very prepared for this phenomenon, which according to my understanding of financial astrology, will be very evident from May 2009-August 2010. We’re still approaching the “big time.”

    But also during that time I think central banks will have no choice but to raise interest rates to fight inflation. Even though these banks will lag in their response to rising inflation numbers, once they start to raise rates, they too will do so very quickly and rates will rise very sharply. Sort of like what happened 30 years, 1979-1980, when Paul Volker was in charge (here he comes again, with Saturn returning to Virgo!). When that starts (sometime between November 2009-September 2010), Gold and Silver may lose their luster. The Dollar can soar and the currencies can fall hard against the Dollar to their 4-year cycle troughs. Then it starts up again, after Silver completes its 18-year cycle trough in 2010-2011, just in time for the 126-year hard aspect cycle of Uranus to Pluto (in Grand Square to the USA Sun-Saturn). This is not the steady up years of 1947-1966, nor 1982-2000 (Saturn in its waxing phase to Pluto). This is a whole new world, new reality, new era, we are entering. Saturn is waning to Pluto, and in fact about to enter its waning square phase November 2009-August 2010. This is the time that federal deficits sky rocket, followed by sharp increases in interest rates and taxes, and this can be exasperated by inflation (Jupiter-Neptune). Prices swings will likely be massive, as we shift back and forth from deflation to inflation to deflation to even greater inflation, as our “new sheriff in town” tries to conquer this multi-headed debt monster. Maybe it’s a good thing we allowed our children to be brought up as experts on Play Station, Nintendo and X-Box. Maybe they will know which buttons and joy sticks to press to slay the multi-headed monster that threatens the survival of the planet. If not, the only future that awaits may be a job in the government, the only employer that may be left on the planet. Let’s hope the next card up gives our man a 21, because the bank (Congress and the Treasury) is running out of money to lend for another hand.

    http://www.mmacycles.com/weekly-preview/mma-comments-for-the-week/comments-for-the-week-beginning-february-23,-2009/

  115. Claudia says:

    Stefanie,

    I have a trusted source of gold for you (IMO): apmex.com. I have no affiliation with them other than being a very satisfied customer for about 2 years. They are honest, they don’t ever call you to try to talk you into things (they send occasional emails, but they are not pushy), they deliver in a timely fashion or give you an accurate estimate of when they *will* deliver. Technically, they are a seller of gold (and other precious metals) but you choose to order from their website or call them on the phone – they are very low-key. There are other dealers out there – some are pushy and others aren’t. But I have been very happy with APMEX.

    The biggest issue with buying physical gold and silver is that they have been intermittently quite scarce. Please do not under any circumstances buy the GLD and SLV ETFs that many people use as proxies for holding physical metal – if you read their prospectuses in detail, you will find tons of legalese that will protect them in the event of lawsuits. There is evidence that they may not actually be holding physical metal, or at least not in the quantities that they claim. They have been claiming larger purchases of metal in recent weeks – in response to enthusiastic buying – than are physically possible, based on known existing supply. Auditing of metals-on-hand is non-existent. Lots of other red flags. Buy and take possession of real physical metal.

    holos, a good place to get the straight story on gold is gata.org . The Midas newsletter that Charles posted an excerpt from has a two-week free trial for their newsletter, which can be almost frighteningly educational. I have been a subscriber for several years.

  116. Claudia says:

    Oops, I forgot the URL for the Midas newsletter:

    http://www.lemetropolecafe.com/

  117. Stefanie says:

    Thank you so much, Claudia, that’s really helpful! I live in NYC, so I’m thinking that I’ll be able to find a dealer and do this in person, but I’m just not sure what to get and in what quantity, etc. and where to store it. Safe deposit box in the bank, in the home in a safe, etc.

    My feeling is that all of us who know the deeper levels of the current transformation (that can be read as “collapse” if you look at only the facts on the ground) should do what we can to get through it on practical levels as well. I recognize that I probably live in the wrong place to survive it comfortably, as I can’t really garden or anything, but at least I can do what I can and help my friends and family to do the same.

    And of course, this community is as good as gold! :>)

  118. LJ says:

    Pat C and Lorrie U
    Thank you for the info–it is priceless!

  119. Helena says:

    Glenn Greenwald’s article in Salon may provide a clue as to what the Pluto transits in Israel’s chart ordain vis-a-vis US-Israel relations.

    “The ban on questioning U.S. policy towards Israel and the requirement that uncritical homage be paid to the Israeli government is clearly coming to an end. Several members of Congress — Sen. John Kerry as well as Reps. Brian Baird and Keith Ellison — visited Hamas-ruled Gaza this week in order to survey the massive damage that was done. Newly appointed New York Senator Kirsten Gillibrand openly declared this week that the U.S. should use its leverage to push Israel into serious peace negotiations “regardless of what Netanyahu says he wants to do.” And the Jewish-American group J Street is well on its way to destroying the stranglehold which right-wing groups have long exerted on American policy debates over Israel and the monopoly those groups have deceptively claimed on speaking for American Jews.

    America’s destructive involvement in all Israeli conflicts and its blind devotion to all Israeli actions is one area where — not due exclusively or even primarily to Obama — change is on its way. That policy just isn’t sustainable any longer…”

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald

  120. Helena says:

    Very interesting discussion on Democracy Now with Jane Mayer and Glenn Greenwald on Obama’s recent assertion of the state secrets privilege in the Binyam Mohammed case and on the future, if any, of a policy of “preventive detention” within the new administration.

    On state secrets, Mayer indicated her take on the assertion of state secrets privilege in this way. The CIA works with countries, including Morocco. If these covert connections were revealed in open court, the countries would not allow the CIA to work with them, thus, the danger to US national security.

    http://www.democracynow.org/2009/2/20/despite_gitmo_closure_torture_ban_obama

  121. LJ says:

    Helena
    Hope your info is right about Isreals and U.S. alliance–But I thought I read that Kerry did not go to Gaza. I do know that J Street works hard. I just think, that we cannot get involved with a mess and Isreal will not “listen” to anyone.
    Monday night I am going to a Voices of Opposition meeting–held at U.of Az. campus–talk will be about Isreal/Gaza. I am not sure of the State Secrets info. It is complicated and it still protects Bush. I really like Democracy Now tho… and trust what they say. As Peter Nowak pointed out–the U.S. Mars/Neptune square?–the U.S will always be in covert operations.. Will read more..
    National Security? Our policies will end up in “blow back”

  122. LJ says:

    Articles as this is: is confusing and requires pondering?

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/chomsky-obama-oked-israels-gaza-war.html

  123. Helena says:

    I agree with Claudia not to buy gold ETFs like GLD. To add to her comments, GLD sells their gold periodically to meet expenses, so the amount of gold represented by each share declines over time.

    Stephanie, I thought about buying gold online, but decided to buy coins from a local dealer in town because it was simpler and easier.

    Deflation is the threat now, which is why U.S. Treasuries, both intermediate and long term, were one of the few things to go up in 2008. But I think Merriman is right about inflation. The Fed is printing tons of money.

  124. Helena says:

    LJ, was reading an article over at firedoglake about the drug wars in Mexico which the blogger equated with Iraq in some parts. Also, according to the article, Phoenix has replaced Miami as the main entry point of illegal drugs into the U.S. Mexico’s drug war is seeping into Arizona. Another thing to add to the pile on Obama’s desk in the oval office. Hope you’re not in Phoenix.

  125. Charles says:

    Please do not buy ETFs’ or any paper gold. It will be worthless. If you own ETF sell them! or change them into physical gold under your personal control.
    Buy only things you and only you have direct control over, also do not put it in any bank safe.
    Law regulates direct access by government authorities of safety deposit boxes.
    Silver coins are still relatively cheap and affordable if you can not afford gold coins.

  126. Charles says:

    A few links: posted many some time ago.
    http://bullionpage.com/
    http://www.jsmineset.com/

  127. Charles says:

    you can also buy old silver eagles and dollar coins. They contain high % of silver.
    Personally refrain from buying mine shares. I have my private theory about their future value, a reasoning is that I am a long term investor not a trader, the next one is future natural disasters to be expected till 2015.
    http://www.prudentbear.com/

  128. Charles says:

    http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/anderson/2009/0217.html
    Burn the Silver Share Shorts -
    Check Out CDE Fundamentals
    And an Open Letter to Nancy Pelosi –
    Speaker of the US House of Representatives

  129. Marta says:

    Stefanie, I buy at http://www.kitco.com. Buy bullion, 1 oz. if you can afford, if not, then fractionals (coins smaller than 1 oz.). I stay away from coins because you pay a premium for them. You want to buy as close to spot as possible. Kitco has a website that tracks the price of gold on a daily basis when the market is open. So, in order to familiarize yourself you should start watching the movement. As far as storage, under NO circumstance would you want to put anything of value in a safety deposit box where the gubmint could potentially get their hands on your hard earned money/gold/etc. Be discreet. Don’t broadcast that you’re buying/holding.

  130. Charles says:

    The page bullion. com gives you dealer around the world. For US dealers scroll down to United States in show provider.
    Kitco is still a very good address, but some dealers did not have their orders filled last year or received less in quantities.
    At the moment there seems to be no shortage in supply.
    http://bullionpage.com/

    This is most important. Don’t broadcast that you’re buying/holding.

  131. rc says:

    Weblog note. The Gold.. This thead on the Recession by Starlight will be my Economic Guide for the next few years. With Plu/Cap in affect and With Now a President That will not Lie to me,” We Have Found “The Gold” …….BUY United States Savings Bonds…. Just a thought from a triple threat Capricorn.

  132. BA says:

    –With Now a President That will not Lie to me,

    Don’t count on it.

    The plan is to debase your currency.

    That is a lie and a tax.

    The only question is by how much.

    Sun, Moon, Merc, Ascendant: Cap.

  133. Pat C says:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29318945/

    100,000 protest in Dublin over economic crisis
    Workers angered over wage cutbacks turn march into show of force

    ……..

    and here is another astrologer who watches gold

    http://www.soothesayer.com/

  134. Pat C says:

    I also want to repost this inspiring piece.

    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html

  135. LJ says:

    http://stateofthedivision.blogspot.com/
    Iran/US/Isreal

    Charles
    Your info and analysis is always great, thank you

    Helena
    I live in Tucson–1 1/2 hrs from the border. I think West. Az/ has more trouble. I believe Phoenix has becone the hub for drug trade etc..etc.. I do not notice anymore trouble than usual–but I am sure it is there…What mystifies me, is the Mexican soldiers, found “lost”? on the Indian Resv. 50 miles from the border? What are they up to? U. of Az. sent e-mails to all students to not go to Mexico on spring break! What annoys me, is the Border Patrol ck. point 40/50 miles inside our border, checking the car, license etc. I do not like it, since it is so far into our Country. The border I can understand…I go along with it, as to not cause a rucus. I am usually tired and not in the mood to get arrested.
    I go to a fabulous, cheap dentist in Mexico.

  136. rc says:

    Hi BA : Four definitely beats three . But only bear in mind, the age of Aquarias is upon us , lift your head up a little bit and look forward , and i will bring my head down a little and as to see the ground. Capricorn in pluto is a much needed aspect as this age cranks up. Pbob will not Look the Public in the Eye and Lie. …….. He will not Lie as to Decieve …It is a Starting Point..and besides I understand that US savings bonds come in variety of colors, I like the ones with the VIOLET borders.

  137. Jill G says:

    Desmond Tutu wants the USA and President Obama to apologize for what was done to Iraq.
    http://watchingamerica.com/News/21211/demanding-that-obama-apologize-to-iraqis/

    How can we afford not to make amends to Iraq and Afghanistan?

  138. LJ says:

    I do not believe the U.S. can admit to a mistake–cannot afford to admit an error. Besides, we are sending more troops into Afghanistan. The Bushies cannot admit an error, not for years.
    I do not understand, why they cannot take the oil money from Iraq and the Iraqi Gov. rebuild their country-create jobs, bring back refugees…etc…
    Why doesn’t any of our Ambassadors to Iraq promote that–from our 750 million dollar, Vatican Style Embassy??
    We need to make amends, but “trooping -up” Afghanistan is not a start!

  139. LJ says:

    Obama Administration tries to Kill Bush E-mail Case

    It helps too, that McConnell was killed in the plane crash…the whistleblower>>

    http://wire.antiwar.com/2009/02/21/obama-administration-tries-to-kill-e-mail-case-2/

  140. holos says:

    Thank you Claudia, Charles, BA and starlighter goldbugs:)

    Recently, dealers in AZ were giving premiums to gold coin sellers of $25.00 over spot because of gold coin shortage.

    Daily look at http://www. kitco.com (believe they are Canadian) major precious metals dealers, and they have not been selling the popular American Eagle to the US
    for many moons…why was there a shortage of gold 1oz coins in last few months ??

    Of course the supply is not infinite, and have heard from dealers, under their breath, that major dealers may have been holding on to their supply(which had fallen in value to $700′s and $ 800′s) waiting for price to increase for more profit, and also that the price of gold has been depressed by Treasury/Goldman etc. for years…esp. during the Bush Destruction to prevent panic.

    What do you think??

  141. LJ says:

    This whole site is great—

    http://www.antiwar.com/index6789.html

    Probably holding on to supply of gold and silver for more dealer profit…

  142. Julie W says:

    Julie’s Spiritual Inspiration for Today…

    “In the transferring of the fire from the solar plexus to the heart center comes much pain. It is not easy to love as do the Great Ones, with a pure love which requires nothing back; with an impersonal love that rejoices where there is response, but looks not for it, and loves steadily, quietly, and deeply through all apparent divergences, knowing that when each has found his own way home, he will find that home to be the place of at-one-ment.

    Be prepared for loneliness. It is the law. As a man dissociates himself from all that concerns his physical, astral and mental bodies, and centers himself in the Ego, it produces a temporary separation. This must be endured and passed, leading to a closer link at a later period with all associated with the disciple through the karma of past lives, through group work, and through the activity of the disciple (carried on almost unconsciously at first) in gathering together those through whom later he will work.

    Cultivate happiness, knowing that depression, an over-morbid investigation of motive, and undue sensitiveness to the criticism of others leads to a condition wherein a disciple is almost useless. Happiness is based on confidence in the God within, a just appreciation of time, and a forgetfulness of self. Take all the glad things which may come as trusts to be used to spread joy, and rebel not at happiness and pleasure in service, thinking it an indication that all is not well. Suffering comes as the lower self rebels. Control that lower self, eliminate desire, and all is joy.

    Have patience. Endurance is one of the characteristics of the Ego. The Ego persists, knowing itself immortal. The personality becomes discouraged, knowing that time is short.”

    Initiation, Human and Solar, AAB

  143. rc says:

    Hi Julie W. ****** Word*****

  144. Pat C says:

    http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=3328

    Russia postpones Iran missile deal

    Russia Today TV reports Russia keeps missile sale on table as it holds cards in Afghanistan

  145. LJ says:

    UUggg!
    Sen. Shelby questions Obama’s citizenship!!!!
    Pluto opposing Obama’s Venus?
    Time to throw the Southern Senators back to the Confederancy? Shelby–a jerk , even when he is just standing around. Treason? I cannot stand this!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/22/richard-shelby-alabama-se_n_168913.html

  146. Noelle says:

    Pat C thank you for that inspiring and informative link to Mellen-Thomas Benedict’s story of his NDE. The timing was perfect.
    I’m beginning to find that the best part of this blog, other than Nancy’s insight, is the incredible spiritual links some of you share.
    Thank you.

  147. rc says:

    Hi Pat C , This is very good . The Table Is Set. Putin Has Made his Move, and a most wise one indeed. For now,,,The meeting of President Barak Obama and Premier Putin should be One to remember for our history books.

  148. Julie W says:

    Reflective Meditation on Attracting Money for Hierarchical Purposes

    Suggestions:

    1. This meditation is so simple that many of you may regard it as innocuous and perhaps futile. Used by many simultaneously, it may shatter the impasse which at present prevents adequate funds pouring into the work which the Hierarchy seeks to accomplish.

    2. Do this meditation every Sunday morning. Take what you have saved during the previous week and dedicate it to the work and present it in meditation to the Christ and His Hierarchy. Whether the sum is large or small, it can become an attractive and magnetic unit in the Master’s plans.

    3. Realise the occult Law that “to those who give shall be given” so that they can give again.

    4. Attempt to feel true love sweeping through you, and have the fixed intention to express this love to all you contact. It is the great attractive and selfless agent in world affairs.

    Stage I

    After achieving a positive and intended personality quietness, formulate clearly to yourself and in your own words, the answers to the following questions:

    If money is one of the most important things needed today for spiritual work, what is the factor which is at present deflecting it away from the work of the Hierarchy?
    What is my personal attitude towards money? Do I regard it as a great and possible spiritual asset, or do I think of it in material terms?
    What is my personal responsibility in regard to money which passes through my hands? Am I handling it as a disciple of the Masters should handle it?
    PAUSE

    Stage II

    Ponder on the redemption of humanity through the right use of money. Visualise the money in the world today as

    Concretised energy, at present largely used for purely material purposes and for the satisfaction (where the individual is concerned) of purely personal desires.
    Visualise money as a great stream of flowing golden substance, passing out of the control of the Forces of Materialism into the control of the Forces of Light.
    Then say the following invocative prayer, with focussed mental concentration and from a heartfelt desire to meet spiritual demands: O Thou in Whom we live and move and have our being, the Power that can make all things new, turn to spiritual purposes the money in the world; touch the hearts of men everywhere so that they may give to the work of the Hierarchy that which has hitherto been given to material satisfaction. The new group of world servers needs money in large quantities. I ask that the needed vast sums may be made available. May this potent energy of Thine be in the hands of the Forces of Light.
    Then visualise the work to be done by those groups which claim your present allegiance (i.e., the Arcane School and the Service Activities, or any other group which you know is attempting to carry out the hierarchical Plan). Then, through the creative imagination and by an act of the will, see untold and unlimited sums of money pouring into the hands of those who seek to do the Masters’ work.
    Then say aloud, with conviction and emphasis: He for Whom the whole world waits has said that whatsoever shall be asked in His Name and with faith in the response will see it accomplished.Remember at the same time that faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. Then add:I ask for the needed money for . . . . . . . . . . and can demand it because From the centre which we call the race of menLet the Plan of Love and Light work outAnd may it seal the door where evil dwells.
    Close with a careful consideration of your own responsibility to the Plan, and each week plan your financial cooperation with the Hierarchy. Be practical and realistic and know that if you do not give, you may not ask, for you have no right to evoke that which you do not share.

    ( From Discipleship in the New Age, Volume II, pp. 228-31)

  149. Pat C says:

    Noelle, you are most welcome. That link may be my favorite of all time.

    rc, indeed! That meeting may be one for the history books. Let us hope, and for the better.

  150. clymela says:

    Jill G-Yes there must be apology and a Marshall Plan for the ME destroyed by Americans and Isrealies-no way out until we give everything to rebuild what we have destroyed. All the military might- witness Gaza and Iraq- will not save us now but expression of sorrow and mercy could.
    Pray that we come to higher consciousness.
    Julie W.-thanks for the offering. Have you read Thom Hartman’s Prophet’s Way?

  151. Claudia says:

    holos, there are many reasons for gold’s price to be lower than it “should” be. The whole manipulation question, that people used to attribute to conspiracy theorists who were not in their right mind, actually has considerable evidence to back it up. (The GATA organization’s purpose is to educate people about, and put a stop to, the manipulation.) There is much speculation about whether there is any, or much, gold left in Fort Knox – the gold held there has not been audited since the mid-1950s! (i.e., did the government and bullion banks sell or lease the gold? GATA says they have done so)

    As for supply shortages, the dealers’ holding back supply is no doubt one contributing factor, but also, demand has picked up *considerably* in the West. It used to be that India’s demand for gold was considered one of the most important market drivers, but their demand has dropped way down recently (probably related to the recent price rise) while demand in the West has gone way up. Over time, more people are choosing to invest in precious metals as a safe haven in these difficult times – and people are noticing that the value of gold and silver is rising as their stocks (with bonds soon to follow) are falling.

  152. Claudia says:

    One more point I forgot to make: gold and silver mining output is much reduced relative to a few years ago; South Africa’s ongoing electric power shortage has contributed to this, because the mines can’t get all the power they need. The too-low prices for base metals such as zinc have reduced mining of base metals, and much silver output comes as a byproduct of base metal mining. New exploration of precious metals deposits is down, because the current prices for the metals don’t provide adequate payback for the investment in such exploration. And there are more reasons even than these for the supply of precious metals to be decreasing.

  153. LJ says:

    Pat C
    great post–realnews
    This Bio came from realnews–He is turning out to be great–love all the interviews-writings he does.

    Gareth Porter is a historian and investigative journalist on US foreign and military policy analyst. He writes regularly for Inter Press Service on US policy towards Iraq and Iran. Author of four books, the latest of which is Perils of Dominance: Imbalance of Power and the Road to War in Vietnam.

  154. holos says:

    Pat C,
    WOW!!! To an order of magnitude of Infinite Exponential Power!!!

    Sooo grateful that you reposted your greatest find Ever…such a consciousness clarifier to say the least!!

    How to thank you for revealing the secrets of this life, the universe and ALL THAT IS???

  155. Charles says:

    rc and all the others in my opinion you do not want to own values in paper; ETF CDO’s, bonds, to much cash, life insurance, retirement funds…. in the next years. I believe all will vaporise into nothing.

    Since all our money saved for retirement went into our children’s education I have nothing to worry about or lose. We thought it was more important to have our kids start their working life without debt.

    This is an article I just found again
    http://www.gold-eagle.com/gold_digest_02/hamilton010702.html

  156. BA says:

    rc — govmt bonds, in period of inflation = guaranteed ctfs. of confiscation.

    So, inflation or not?

  157. Helena says:

    Given SOS Hillary Clinton’s travels to China in the news lately, thought I’d post these images from China: The Eighth Annual Harbin Ice and Snow World, China’s premiere winter event. While so much of the depravity and ignorance is abundantly on display in the news, this is to honor the amazing gifts and capacity of human beings for artistic creativity and expression.

    http://www.rtoddking.com/chinawin2007_hb_if.htm

  158. Helena says:

    Charles, thanks for the link on derivatives. I’ve bookmarked it.

  159. Julie W says:

    clymela: No, I have not. I will have to check him out. Thanks.

  160. Julie W says:

    Pat C: What link was holos talking about when she spoke of clarifying the secrets of life. I would like to take a look at it. Thanks.

  161. LJ says:

    Mark Penn and Karen Hughes–Team up together for Consulting? Financial Crisis?
    What a sick combo!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/09/clinton-adviser-penn-team_n_111585.html

  162. LJ says:

    Helena
    The pictures are beautiful and the Chinese people are very artistic, but Hillary forgot about those Human Rights…

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/human-rights-watch/clinton-remarks-undermine_b_168689.html

  163. Crystal says:

    This is OT, but I’m hoping someone can point me in the right direction. There is a very talented Brazilian conductor who would like an opportunity for some exposure in the U.S. In addition to conducting orchestras, he also composes, and conducts choral groups, ensembles, operas, and also holds workshops etc. He has worked with groups in Brazil, and orchestras in France, and other European countries. I would like to get him over here to perform the works of Brazilian composer Villa-Lobos, and in particular the Bachianas Brasileiras. Don’t know if anyone here has had the opportunity to listen to some of these pieces, or is familiar with this body of works, but the Bachianas Brasileiras No. 5 is a particularly hauntingly beautiful piece written for 8 cellos and a soprano. Other popular pieces are No.2, 4, and 7 – it’s a large volume of work. Since I am not in the music business and don’t have any contacts in the field, I am clueless as to how I can bring this about. What steps do I take, and where do I start? Do I get a list of all the orchestras in the U.S. and write to them, or who exactly needs to be contacted in order to get the ball rolling in making this happen? Any ideas or advice will be greatly appreciated!

  164. LJ says:

    Crystal
    Great ideas, so far, contact Large orchestras–however would be great if someone here-knew someone personally.

    rc
    this is a good history lesson
    Reagan and G.W. Bush–Above the Law

    http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/02/20/are_you_frustrated_that_george/

  165. starlight says:

    New thread up, with no glitches this time.

  166. rc says:

    Hi BA : Hi Charles : To quote Tolkien ” This is a light for you to use, A light for when all others go dark”” The United States Saving Bond. With pluto in capricorn, i would not be surprised to see President Obama reveal a New modernized program, as to offer people, a new sense of security.A Program with:{“Starlight”}”caution,carefull planning,restraint and regulation, so we can CEASE being repeatedly kicked in the teeth”. Charles ,we, as yourself , have spent, like wise, on our Childeren, for after it all boils down, this our True Gold.

  167. Helena says:

    LJ, as a representative of the U.S., she’s hardly in a position to be calling the Chinese on human rights!

  168. starlight says:

    Crystal – Why not have him contact some of the premier music conservatories in the country such as Eastman School of Music at University of Rochester and Cleveland Institute of Music (they are right next to the Cleveland symphony and might have a connection there). Maybe he could give a guest lecture on conducting or composition. I know they teach music composition at these schools. Or Juilliard or Peabody or San Francisco Conservatory.

  169. starlight says:

    The reality is that we can’t call anyone out on human rights anymore ever again until or unless we prosecute the Bush era crimes. Period.

  170. Helena says:

    Crystal, I wonder if you contact Juilliard in New York, or a music department in a large university, they may be able to point you in the right direction.

  171. Helena says:

    Starlight @ 5:07 p.m – Amen.

    Jane Mayer in the discussion at Democracy Now I linked to earlier in the thread thinks this issue of accountability isn’t going to go away and the pressure will continue to mount until justice is done.

    “The arc of the moral universe is long but it bends towards justice.” Martin Luther King

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