Hurricane Sarah

A veritable cacophony has erupted with the selection of Sarah Palin as the GOP vice presidential candidate. On the Right, there is jubilation over her extremely conservative social positions including the criminalization of abortion, abstinence- only sex education, and the teaching of Creationism in the schools. To add further gravy to this feast is her denial of global warming and her focus on drilling as the solution to the energy crisis, with little concern for any pristine environment or endangered species that might get trampled in the process. On the Left, there is universal disdain for these same positions compounded by shock and horror over Palin’s total lack of experience and understanding of both national and international policy. While one narrative has McCain reclaiming his maverick mantel with a brilliant, courageous outside-the-box pick, the other points to the revelation of McCain as an irresponsible, reckless, and impulsive candidate who has put his political needs over the good of the country.

For well over a decade, the Left and the Right have lived in a sort of parallel universe. For each side, it is painful to even listen to the other, and with the explosion of media sources, we can surround ourselves with like-minded fellow travelers most of the time. From an astrological perspective, much of this shrillness can be attributed to the passage of Pluto through the very ideological, know-it-all Sagittarius. Internationally, we have seen the proliferation and growing power of fundamentalist ideology in multiple areas and the animosity and aggression that has developed as a result. Domestically, we have seen the hardening of social and political perspectives within the red versus the blue state paradigm and the almost mutually exclusive set of assumptions and perceptions upon which they are based. Although the nation is getting increasingly fed up with this situation, the last, brutal stage of Pluto in Sagittarius is upon us, from mid-June through November 2008, fed by the fires of election-year politics. With Pluto entering Capricorn by late November, we can hope for an increase in pragmatism over ideology, beginning perhaps a month or so before the next presidential term begins, but unfortunately, not before.

In the meantime, the battle rages in the midst of an election drama where the two sides seem to be on different planets. The Culture Wars have been reignited in the person of Sarah Palin, with the perennial issue of abortion roaring back to the forefront, though it may seem hard to believe with all of the critical issues facing the nation at this moment. To the starry-eyed Christian Right, Palin manifests the essence of who they are – a righteous warrior standing for all that is holy and against all that is corrupt – and they ignore any uncomfortable facts that might compromise their rather crazed infatuation. To the rest of us, she is a strident, bullying, and vicious ideologue, a frightening possibility as an Oval Office backup.

Sarah Palin was born on February 11, 1964, in Sandpoint, Idaho. (Several birth times have popped up on the internet including 4:40 PM. Although I will be using this time for my calculations, it is totally unverified.) The Sun/Mars/Saturn conjunction in her chart indicates an extremely aggressive and determined woman, something of a cross between a bulldozer and a pit bull. The square to Neptune brings an ideological and sometimes self-deceptive and scandal-prone quality to the mix. For most of 2008, transiting Neptune has been conjunct Palin’s Sun (22Aquarius20) and Mars (23Aquarius27), and has been exact on her Sun during the past few days while endless rumors and scandals swirled around her. The ongoing Troopergate story and the tales (now disproven) of her pretending to be pregnant with her daughter’s child that have engulfed Alaska over the last several months may also be seen as part of this transit. Although just past the exact aspect, the Neptune station until the election will remain within a degree of Palin’s Sun, suggesting that scandals and strange stories will continue to dog her candidacy. There will also be a strong tendency for her followers to project onto her their own hopes and expectations, possibly leading to significant disappointment at some point. There will be an ongoing sense that she is not what she appears.

Around the time of the election, Neptune will turn direct and be moving toward another exact conjunction with Palin’s Sun through December 2008 and conjunct Palin’s Mars through January and early February 2009. Whether this transit will reproduce the self-delusion and magical expectations of the current crossing or whether it will lead to that vague feeling of loss and confusion that are also possible under Neptune is not yet clear. The Sun/Neptune aspect is bolstered at present with progressed Venus (22 Taurus) square to natal Sun/transiting Neptune. According to the time we are using, this aspect will be exact around Election Day. This suggests that she will remain well loved and very popular at least until the election. Further evidence of her enormous popularity is seen in the progressed Moon opposition to her natal Venus (1Aries22) through September 27. Unfortunately, we are in the midst of this evangelical orgasm right now. After September 27 (Moon/Venus), her luster will dim somewhat but not completely.

There are some glimmerings of hope, however. Some crisis is likely to erupt in the Palin candidacy between September 9 and September 12. Tertiary progressed Moon will be conjunct tertiary progressed Uranus (12Virgo54) and natal Pluto (13Virgo27), and the the entire configuration will be crossed by transiting Saturn. Given the somewhat Teflon nature of the progressed Moon/Venus and progressed Venus/Sun, this is likely to not be a deal breaker. The Right will stand staunchly by their “gal”. But I do think it may tarnish her in the minds of the more reality-based among us.

Also of interest is the progression of Palin’s Moon semisquare both Neptune and progressed Neptune (17 Scorpio) from September 20 through November 3. This aspect underlines the likelihood of scandal and of her being caught in contradictions and dishonesty. Image rather than reality will be pushed at the public; lies and deception will be the norm.

There is not a lot to indicate Palin assuming the increased power of the vice-presidency after the election. The strongest aspect is Neptune conjunct the Sun during all of November and December, with the appeal of the progressed Venus beginning to wane, a possible indication of confusion and perhaps disappointment and loss. There is, however, some evidence that her popularity will reemerge in 2009, with progressed Venus moving to square natal Mars and transiting Pluto squaring natal Venus, both beginning in December 2008. Let us hope this is more about returning to Alaska and becoming a grandmother rather than winning an election. Because Neptune is known for giving the illusion rather than the reality, it may be that the illusion here is that she is popular enough to win this election for Grampy McSame. But with Neptune, nothing is ever quite clear.


  1. Love Bug says:

    Good stuff, Nancy! “HurriMcCaine Sarah” is more like it! She reminds me of those girls in the school yard who taunt the boys until they react then stand back all shocked and exclaim, “You can’t hit me! I’m a girl!” In other words, she’s a bully in the Anne Coulter mold. Nice.

    I think the more the controversy swirls around her, the more the Right will cling to her. She ain’t goin’ nowhere but that’s ok, because I think she’s ultimately going to be a drag on McCain.

    The Right may love her but I can’t seeing many independants buying it. That may be why we’re seeing an uptick in the polls for Obama.

  2. Fe says:


    Why The Media Should Apologize!
    04 Sep 2008 12:04 pm

    Roger Simon nails it. For one brief moment, the press looked at the fantasist incompetence of the Republican establishment and did some actual reporting and vetting. Now, they seem cowed again by a bully like Steve Schmidt. For my part, I don’t believe the lesson of the past eight years is that the press should not ask every single question – and get honest, prompt answers – when we are being told things that we have to take on trust. After the WMD fiasco, when we all but gave the president the benefit of the doubt in wartime to be truthful about the very basis of a war, we have a responsibility to keep probing, filtering, vetting, asking. It’s our fricking duty. I learned my lesson not to take anything these people say on trust.

    The McCain camp landed America and the world with someone who could technically be president of the US next February with close to no vetting and no real knowledge of who she is – and we are supposed to just accept the propaganda being peddled by people who once worked for Karl Rove.

    Never again. Keep asking. Keep Googling. In so many ways, the Republican myth machine has finally met its match. It’s not the “Washington establishment” for Pete’s sake. They were busy sipping champagne and nibbling on truffles with Washington celebrity McCain at fabulous restaurants until very recently. It’s you, ordinary citizens with modems and questions. That’s who they’re afraid of. That’s who they want to intimidate.

    Not this time.

  3. Fe says:

    Main Street reviews coming in on Palin’s speech:

    “I was completely underwhelmed. She was a Republican novelty act with a sophomoric script. It was not even a speech I would expect for a someone running for the local PTA, much less for vice president.”
    — George Lentz, 66, Southfield independent

    Palin has repeated her lie about ‘saying no’ to the bridge from nowhere. Has she no shame?”
    — James Melton, 45, Detroit Democrat

    After listening to her speech … it appears that once she makes up her mind, that is the end of it. We live in a gray world, not every answer is black and white.”
    — Diane Murphy, 42, Sterling Heights independent

    Her delivery style reminded me of a high school valedictorian who also might have been a cheerleader. I thought she would appear more professional, more stateswomanly. She’s no match for Joe Biden.”
    — Joellen Gilchrist, 64, Beverly Hills independent

    “Nothing worked for me. I found her barrage of snide remarksand distortions to be a major turn off. She is not a class act. The most important point she made is that she will be an effective attack dog.”
    — Jan Wheelock, 58, Royal Oak independent

  4. admin says:

    Jupiter remains quincunx Obama’s Sun until September 10. I think he will maintain his post convention bounce at least til then, and that would include when McCain should have had his already.

  5. Carol (Aquariusmoon) says:

    Could it be that she goes on the Evangelical fundraising circuit? She can’t be looking forward to a rough time back in Alaska, where the enemies have their knives out for her in the Legislature, and people have tired of her bullying. If she is considered a martyr for the right, they can shove her into wingnut welfare and have her give nasty speeches to the faithful.

  6. frs says:

    what struck me most about last night’s speech by Palin was the response of her parents. Perhaps I am off on this, but when she introduced them to the audience — they did not seem all that thrilled or happy. Quite the contrary — the mother nodded, tapped the father on the knee and they stood-up, nodded and sat back down. Maybe they are democrats or maybe something else but I was so struck by how they did not seem to glow at a moment I would think one’s parents would be thrilled.

  7. Fe says:


    Palin’s parents will most likely have to bear the brunt of baby-sitting while Sarah minds her “career”.

  8. Carol (Aquariusmoon) says:

    Maybe they already have borne it?

  9. Carol (Aquariusmoon) says:

    Sarah will be going back to Alaska-still trying to nail down the day she does. Which is really unusual for a VP at this stage of the game. Most of the time at this point the candidates campaign nearly nonstop until the end because there is not a day to waste until Election Day.

  10. Rin says:

    Thank you Nancy. Thank you for this blog.

    What I heard last night brought me to tears. After the rift that occurred in this country at the re-election of George Bush four years ago, I thought that now we were finally on our way to healing the divide. Last night brought back a lot of painful feelings brought on by the unscrupulous ‘divide and conquer’ politics that handed our nation to the most negligent administration to date.

    Obama’s acceptance speech last Thursday gave me so much hope for myself and this country. Say what you will about his being just another politician, but I strongly believe in the power of words, the power of intention. Even if I don’t always agree with Mr. Obama’s politics I believed in hope and being one with my family Americans: Democrat or Republican, liberal or conservative.

    No better time than now to rely on the wisdom of the planets. Sometimes I get so mired in these Earthly concerns I forget there is greater, more complex intelligence at the wheel, and so I should just trust things to work out as they will.

  11. Lorrie U. says:

    “the battle rages in the midst of an election drama where the two sides seem to be on different planets.”

    Well put, Nancy, sums it up for me. I can’t believe in this day and age, especially after the last eight years, that we live on a planet and in a country with the kind of mentality still being displayed. It does make one sick to the stomach and quite bereft at the possibility of it continuing.

  12. Rin says:

    It’s interesting that you mention scandals around Palin, because my tarot reading on her totally showed that.

    I tried to be as fair as possible when doing her reading, and admit areas of personal bias. The spread that came up for her was very descriptive of what I had just seen of herself myself.

    The spread I used was Celtic Cross. Those of you familiar with it should recognized the numbered positions:

    1. 6 of Wands
    2. 2 of Cups
    3. Page of Coins
    4. 8 of Coins
    5. 2 of Coins
    6. Hanged Man (reversed)
    7. 4 of Wands
    8. Queen of Wands (very obvious card)
    9. 10 of Cups
    10. The High Priestess

    Without going through all the cards, I’ll just say that the 10th cared, I think, agrees with your prediction. Along being a very dynamic and charismatic woman, she is also very secretive. I don’t doubt we will be seeing some revelations in the near future.

  13. Julie W says:

    The people were very United after 911 and the world was with us! But Republicans do not want a united electorate or world. So they always stir something up to bring us back to division and hate. Better to control us that way. Republicans the party of divisiveness, Democrats the party of Unity and we really have that in Barack who epitomizes this union — out of many we are one. We cannot let him down.

  14. Julie W says:

    Nancy, I too think something is going to occur to knock McCain & Palin off stride. I was a little ansy this morning and got a really strong impression that said to me to stop worrying, that all would be taken care of re: Palin. So, I kind of stopped fretting for awhile because it was really, really strong this impression.

  15. BA says:

    This is from Silicon Investor:

    The Iraq war was “a task from God”?

    Here is the video:
    Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told ministry students at her former church that the United States sent troops to fight in the Iraq war on a “task that is from God.”

    In an address last June, the Republican vice presidential candidate also urged ministry students to pray for a plan to build a $30 billion natural gas pipeline in the state, calling it “God’s will.”

    “God’s will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that,” she said.

  16. Lorrie U. says:

    There is no joy in Mudville following the Sarah Palin VP selection, for that matter. This big to-do was supposed to highlight whatever remains of his “maverick” image. The last, best club he had in his campaign bag was the line of attack against Barack Obama’s lack of executive and foreign policy experience. By choosing Palin to be his running mate, McCain stapled his entire campaign to a woman whose shiny right-wing Christian credentials cannot obscure the fact that she has slightly less foreign policy or executive experience than a ham sandwich in the pantry of Air Force One. In other words, that one good club might as well have been thrown into a furnace six hundred and sixty one days ago for all the good it will do him now. Bluntly, this Palin choice not only failed to prop up his outsider credentials, but has also raised serious concerns about whether his basic judgment and understanding of simple reality can be relied on under any circumstances.

    This ugly reality is McCain’s well-earned, supremely deserved reward for deciding to abandon any pretense of character or integrity, with deliberation and intent, while crowing to all within hearing about the importance of character and integrity. Everything he abandoned had nothing at all to do with what he believes or doesn’t believe as an American or as an elected representative. He abandoned these things because he wants to live in the White House, period. He wants this with every dirty, immoral, shiftless, unprincipled fiber of his being; and through this has become a living, pathetic, abhorrent example of the damage to heart and soul such lust for personal gain can cause.

    For men who have neither character, nor integrity, nor honor, nor shame, for men like John McCain, that kind of wanting is all that remains in their heart, and is all that really matters to them anymore. Men like this, men like John McCain, are entirely hollow inside, empty, and truly dead in every way that once counted them human. They are skin, bones, emptiness, and nothing else besides.
    (see link for complete article)

  17. Margriet says:

    Thanks Nancy. That helps.

    ‘evangelical orgasm’… I like that. Let them have it and then have it be over with. End of Pluto in Sag, end of that.

    Like Julie W, I also had a feeling to ‘stop worrying, that all would be taken care of’. I’m spending way too much time reading this blog and other news this last week. It dawned on me that all I can really do from now is envisioning Obama and Biden as the elected new president and VP. Just giving energy to that vision.

    Thanks all of you.

  18. Fe says:


    If you can also give a little energy to the campaign in the form of registering new voters and a dollar or two, that would be appreciated. Even talking to people you meet about the election will stir up good energy.

    “Spiritual practice without works on the ground is”, as James Arthur Ray says, “a loss of energy”.

  19. admin says:

    The feeling among the GOP since the Palin pick, and especially after last night, is sort of crazed. It is as if they are in some delusional universe, fueled more by desire coloring perception than by reality. It seems to me very Neptunian, which suggests a hard landing at some point. Just a feeling.

  20. MIdge Fly says:

    I know how you’re feeling, Margriet. I’v been very depressed recently and it seemed to reach a very low point a bit ago. Just then I got a call from Democratic Hdqs. asking if I’d be willing to work their phone bank 2 hours a week. I’ve agreed and start Tuesday morning. Do feel a bit better that I’m contributing somehow, some way.

  21. Pat says:

    The GOP’s cheerful viciousness

    Yet again, Republicans launch brutal attacks on the Democratic candidate. Yet again, Democrats seem determined to allow them to do so

  22. kiwijeanie says:

    I too had the feeling of ‘stop worrying’ although it was more in the form akin to the celestine prophecy idea of – keep the vision and all will be well, don’t give in to the fear and negativity.

  23. LJ says:

    Again, great info for calming my nerves, thank you very much. Plus all the other info we all receive here keeps me out of the doldrums.
    It really is amazing how divided we are and a shame. You know it, but after the convention last night, it is really personified.

    Sen. Ted Stevens trial starts Sept. 24–and Palin was for him before she was against him, so hope her stance is brought out with all that scandal too.
    I volunteer for Obama, but spreading the word about the Keating5 and what a hypocrite McCain is
    needs to be done.
    Called the Obama Headquarters, but for now, they are still “above the fray”, but the grassroots can spread the word. We cannot have anymore of our civil rights taken away. You all are right too, in visioning an Obama/Biden win.
    Reminder, Anchorage Daily News is good for follow-up

  24. Lisa says:

    I posted my astrological profile of John McCain early this morning on Newsvine. You can get to it by clicking on my name (to the left there). Unfortunately, Newsvine seems to be down right now, so I can’t provide the direct link. Anyway, the astro-profile is pretty long, much longer and more indepth than the one I did on Obama. I tried to be fair and accurate. I didn’t cover everything about him, obviously, but my goal was to shed some light on his true motives for running for president.

    I also made a short video to accompany the profile. You can see it here:

  25. margriet says:

    Fe, I can’t sign voters up, I’m in France.
    Can contribute, yes.

    Pat is right. Democrats shouldn’t be too noble.
    Spreading my/our good energy and visualizing, yes, but call it as it is when it’s ugly.
    Lowering the defense budget, yes, but don’t cut down on non-violent self-defense. And non-violent attack is maybe still a better thing to do for Biden and Obama.

  26. Fe says:


    Your good energy is appreciated. And keep a protective net around Obama and Biden.

  27. ruby says:

    ah, the illusions and delusions of Neptune… McSame met his now ‘trophy vice’ and said she was his ‘soulmate’ – as his progressed Sun was on her Neptune. just amazing… and he does seem more and more like Golum drooling and lusting for that golden ring…

  28. crystal says:

    One good thing came out of Palin’s speech last night – more cash for Obama.;_ylt=AsZIUqMZ3Httbs875QkoLWth24cA

  29. Pat says:

    Good stuff from the mudflats.

  30. Pat says:

    3,400 Ballots Missing in Florida Election: Recount Flips Race

    Palm Beach County, Florida, is in the news again for another election mishap. This time the culprit isn’t the county’s infamous butterfly ballot that made headlines in the 2000 presidential race. Instead, the problem is ballots used with the county’s new $5.5 million optical-scan machines made by Sequoia Voting Systems.

    More than 3,000 optical-scan ballots have mysteriously disappeared since the county held an election last Tuesday.

    According to tallies a week ago, a total of 102,523 ballots were cast in the election. But according to a recount of one of the races, which was completed this last Sunday, the total number of cast ballots was only 99,045 — a difference of 3,478. Election officials say they can’t explain the discrepancy, though critics are concerned that this is a precursor to problems that could arise in the November presidential election.

    The problem was discovered only because the county was conducting a recount of a close judicial race between an incumbent, 15th Circuit Judge Richard Wennet, and his challenger William Abramson. Prior to the recount, Abramson had won the election by 17 votes; but the recount flipped the race and resulted in him losing the election to Wennet by 60 votes. The total number of votes cast in that specific race dropped by 2,900 between the time ballots were counted last Tuesday and the recount.

    More at the link….

  31. admin says:

    Lisa – I sure hope that 9 AM time is off for McCain because it would give him a strong Jupiter square the Ascendant right for the election and for a few days after. I have been using 8:37. I guess there is no way to ever get any really accurate time for him. He could easily have 13 Cancer MC rather than 16. I have seen a lot of politicians with a strong connection to the country have the US Sun degree strong in their chart. And it would explain his doing well lately with Jupiter now at 12plus.

  32. Robin says:

    “The stars are aligned …”

    I can’t believe they included that line in the McCain video!

  33. Andy says:

    I’ve had a feeling that everything will be OK, too. And although I do think it’s intuitive, I’ve also been thinking a lot about history and a man by the name of Alan Lichtman. He co-authored a book called Keys to the Whitehouse. He studied all of our past elections and found that while every person’s vote may be highly personal, as a country our votes for president tend to be more predictable. The 13 keys he uncovered explain the popular vote winners of every election since 1860. Believe it or not, as a country our votes are more about parties in power vs. the challenging party. In case you’re curious, here are the keys below:

    KEY 1 (Party Mandate): After the midterm elections, the incumbent party holds more seats in the U.S. House of Representatives than it did after the previous midterm elections. (FALSE)

    KEY 2 (Contest): There is no serious contest for the incumbent-party nomination. (FALSE)

    KEY 3 (Incumbency): The incumbent-party candidate is the sitting president. (FALSE)

    KEY 4 (Third party): There is no significant third-party or independent campaign. (TRUE)

    KEY 5 (Short-term economy): The economy is not in recession during the election campaign. (FALSE)

    KEY 6 (Long-term economy): Real per-capita economic growth during the term equals or exceeds mean growth during the previous two terms. (FALSE)

    KEY 7 (Policy change): The incumbent administration effects major changes in national policy. (FALSE)

    KEY 8 (Social unrest): There is no sustained social unrest during the term. (TRUE)

    KEY 9 (Scandal): The incumbent administration is untainted by major scandal. (TRUE)

    KEY 10 (Foreign/military failure): The incumbent administration suffers no major failure in foreign or military affairs. (FALSE)

    KEY 11 (Foreign/military success): The incumbent administration achieves a major success in foreign or military affairs. (FALSE)

    KEY 12 (Incumbent charisma): The incumbent-party candidate is charismatic or a national hero. (FALSE)

    KEY 13 (Challenger charisma): The challenging-party candidate is not charismatic or a national hero. (FALSE)

    The false keys are good news for Democrats this year. The true keys favor the Republicans. So let’s tally that up:

    1. 10 keys for Obama
    2. 3 keys for McCain.

    You only need 7 to win. History likes Obama’s chances. The only wild card is that he’s a minority. If he loses the election, Lichman’s book, which has predicted the popular vote outcome in every election since 1984, will have to be rewritten.

  34. LJ says:

    There are probably other sources, but Neptune Cafe uses 8:38 a.m.
    What a useless, trivial Convention.

  35. Lisa says:

    Nancy, I would doubt that he was born at exactly 9 am. I believe this birth time info came from his mother’s best recollection. And then later on she said 11 am. But obviously his moon is in the 4th and Pluto in the 10th so he could not have been born much past 9:30. So, I’d put his birthtime anywhere from about 8:30am to 9:30am.

    Anyway, this Jupiter squaring his ascendant on Nov 4–that wouldn’t seem to be as promising an aspect as the T-Jupiter to Obama’s N-Jupiter and all the other great aspects in Obama’s chart on Jan 20th.

  36. admin says:

    Is anyone watching this utterly dreadful speech? I have taken in a few minutes here and there. He may undo all the energy Palin brought last night. On DU someone suggested that Palin might drop McCain from the ticket. :-)
    He has made some nice gestures to bipartisanship, but they ring so false in that red meat setting and after all that has gone on the last few days …er… few months.

  37. admin says:

    Lisa – After this speech tonight, I am less worried. It really is sad to watch him.

  38. Lisa says:

    Wow, this repub convention is hard to watch. So many old stupid looking white people.

    Did you all see the vid I made? Go see it, you’ll like it!

  39. Lisa says:

    Why is Chris Mathews drooling over the speech? What an ass. I hate the media, they’re trying to make this a horse race and they care nothing about the country or women’s rights, which will be out the window if this ticket wins.

    Ya’all gotta read my astro-profile of McPhoney.
    I really cracked him open, I think.

  40. Robin says:

    The first commercial on ABC after Sawyer, et al. said goodbye was from Chevron!

    I think that sums it up the Repug convention.

  41. Robin says:

    Lisa, youtube audio doesn’t work on my Mac, but I still caught the jist — too funny! Congrats.

  42. LJ says:

    The speech was boring, no flow and no contnet. Too long and more boring POW stories. He said the same tired things.
    Cindy McCain, bless her heart, with the fabulous wardrobe, pd. more tribute to her father-left out his first marriage and that he got the money start from the Arizona/Nevada Mafia. I am sorry for Rowanda, but what does that have to do with tonight? and we have so many people here with horrific stories.
    It was so bad, that yes I feel better too.
    Will go watch Lisa”s video.

  43. Rin says:

    I am absolutely terrified. This is just like ’04, and I’m frightened people will fall for the same Bush lines I heard hear tonight.

  44. Stefanie says:

    I think the way we win this is by throwing their fear-based tactics back in their faces. We can’t get everyone on the hope train, especially not those that embrace a shadowy form of racism. But if 527’s (Democratic ones) show people that they need to be afraid, VERY afraid, of what a Palin in the White House would mean, we can scare them out of a Mccain vote. It’s going back to the lowest common denominator, but the Repugs give us no choice. When they fight this dirty, we can’t turn the other cheek and lay down our swords. Once we win we can go back to changing the world and making it work for all of us. In the mean time, we’ve got to show anyone and everyone that is not an evangelical that having this looney tunes woman that went to six colleges in six years, was a sportscaster, that only just got her passport, that is anti-abortion even in cases of rape and incest, is against sex education, and that knows NOTHING about foreign policy would be the scariest thing that’s ever happened to our country. Scarier than Bush/Cheney. None of us thought it could get scarier than that, but it has. We need the big guns now. We need to fill the airwaves with fear of having this aerial wolf-hunting crazy person one heartbeat away from the Oval Office. Putin will invade the moment Mccain keels over — it will be as easy as pie.

  45. spidey says:

    take a minute and read Alex Miller-Mignone’s black hole election summary over at daykeeper

  46. Fe says:

    Obama dishes it right back to the Republicans:

    “q. How is community organizing relevant for the presidency?

    This is very curious. They havent talked about the fact that I was a civil rights lawyer, or taught constitutional law, my work in the state legislature, or US Senate, they focused on this 3 years where i worked as a community organizer, right out of college. As if I’m going to make the leap from 2-3 years out of college to the presidency.

    I would argue that doing work in the community, try and create jobs, rejuvenate the communities that have fallen on hard times, bring people together, setup job training programs in areas that have been hard hit where the steel plants have closed. That’s relevant only in understanding where I’m coming from, who I believe in, who I’m fighting for and why I’m in this race.

    The question I have for them is: Why would that kind of work be ridiculous? Who are THEY fighting for? What are they advocating for?

    Do they think that the lives of those folks struggling each and every day, that working with to try and improve their lives is somehow not relevant to the presidency?

    I think that is part of the problem, that they are out of touch and don’t get it because they haven’t spent much time working on behalf of those folks.”

  47. LJ says:

    Lisa, I loved the video, sent it to all my friends. I really needed a laugh.

    Stefanie, you are so right and I was not scared until Rin brought up 2004.
    I have been making comments to the Anchorage Daily, called the Az. Gov’s office today for somebody to push the info on the Keating 5 to get out-they referred me to the Az. Demo. Party I called Kentucky today to check on the election at the Demo. H.Q. and told them to check out McCain’s scandals. It will take spreading truth to absorb these lies, faith in Universal Law.
    Glad to have Nancy’s and everyone else’s knowledge of astrology.

  48. Julie W says:

    Breaking News…..
    We will have breaking news regarding an ongoing story around 10am Alaska time on Friday……

    From, an Alaskan Blog!

    I wonder what this will be about! I hope it is good news for us and damming news for Sarah Palin

  49. sonya says:

    Fe: I like the Obama quote. And, Jesus was the first community organizer.

    a reader of Andrew Sullivan’s The Atlantic blog

    “Way back in the heat of the Democratic primary, I told all who would listen that if it came down to Hillary vs. McCain I’d vote McCain.

    If Senator McCain was still around, I suppose I wouldn’t regret that claim, but somewhere along the line, Senator McCain got replaced by Candidate McCain.

    I was dwelling on this a bit today and it struck me. One benefit of this long campaign is that it really does show a person’s character. And I realized. We have two men running for president right now. One has stayed true to himself throughout despite all the pressure. The other really hasn’t or maybe we’ve just seen what he really was all along.

    Obama said at the outset that he wanted a civil campaign on the issues. He said he would avoid the politics of person destruction. He demanded a cool, no drama organization — much like himself.
    He organized a strong team. Set clear goals. Adopted a sound plan and stuck to it. Reasoned, careful. Solid judgment. And in the intense glare of things like Wright and flags pins, he stuck to it all. Above all, Obama really has stayed true to who he is.

    McCain on the other hand, despite his calls for a civil campaign, injected personal attacks. He cosied up to the same religious extremist he once decried. People like Hagee. And when that wasn’t enough, he brought onto the ticket a evangelical with extreme views on abortion, contraception and sex education — positions well to the right of most of the people in the Republican Party. And he hired the same polarizing, no-holds-barred political assassins that George Bush unleashed on America and McCain himself.

    Senator McCain didn’t stay true to himself. He morphed into a right-wing, polarizing ideologue campaign. And why? On the one hand, he’s ambivalent about his ambitions, but often he’ll lose sight of his values and overreach for the sake of those ambitions. In other words, he falls victim to the allure of power and loses his good judgment. He doesn’t stay true to himself.

    I dearly hope American’s will come to appreciate this about these two men. One has stayed true to the better angels of his nature. One succumbed to the darker angels of his. Which one would make a better president in these sad and trying times?”

  50. Julie W says:

    McCain wants to keep Palin away from the Press, but Sarah Palin is a Celebrity now and just like Paris Hilton and Britney Spears will be pursued by the Press. As you can see, Sentaor McCain, what goes around, Comes Around! God’s Hand of Judgment is Swift!

    And, You know, Jesus was a Community Organizer and Pilate was a Governor (Hah!) so was George Bush, so much for Executive Experience…

  51. sonya says:

    Actually, I think a question from a town hall meeting will get her before the press. But I do think her dirty dealing in Alaska will blow up before election day.

  52. Julie W says:

    Ali: Thank you for the blogs.

  53. Margriet says:

    “the war in Iraq is God’s plan”,
    “building a pipeline through Alaska is what God wants”.
    How does Palin know, does she have a pipeline with God?
    Anyway, I can’t believe that after 8 years of Bush, God wants to send a McCain-Palin government to the world. She would never do that to us!

  54. Pat says:

    This is a very interesting read

    Palin Leaves Campaign Trail. Flees North.

  55. Pat says:

    n the Republican convention, there is not much about the constitution. I “searched” the text of the speeches, and… Bush did not mention the word “constitution”. Palin did not mention the word “constitution.” Giuliani did not mention the word “constitution.” Thompson did not mention the word “constitution.” Romney used the word as a punch line, stating “Is a Supreme Court liberal or conservative that awards Guantanamo terrorists with constitution [sic] rights? It’s liberal!” McCain did not mention the word “constitution”.

  56. Whitney says:

    Julie W — Wow! I hadn’t thought of that! That is some amazing karma. Imagine if an ad goes up now comparing Palin to Britney and Paris! Obama may be a celeb, but Palin is grade-A tabloid meat.

  57. Julie W says:

    It seems that our Republican Vice Presidential candidate, Sarah Palin, who could be a heartbeat away from the Presidency seems, to have switched colleges at least six times in six years, including two stints at the University of Idaho before graduating from there in 1987.

    No wonder McCain wants to keep Sarah Palin away from the Press, but Sarah Palin is a Celebrity now and just like Paris Hilton and Britney Spears will be pursued by the Press and paparazzi! As you can see, Sentaor McCain, what goes around, Comes Around –God’s Hand of Judgment is Swift! As you know McCain/Palin, Jesus was a Community Organizer and Pilate was a Governor (Hah!) so was George Bush, so much for Executive Experience…

    Yes, Barack worked as a community organizer, but he also worked as a civil rights lawyer, taught constitutional law, 8 years as a Legislature in the state legislature, and 4 years in the US Senate, where he is currently a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee with Joe Biden (an almost carbon copy resume to the great, Abraham Lincoln, America’s Greatest President)!

    Barack Obama is more than qualified to lead and bring true and positive change to this nation. Barack Obama is an intellectual genuis who is committed to looking forward. He wants to talk about the Future, not about the Past, unlike McCain who is stuck in reverse and continues to focus on his horrible treatment as a POW when he was a very young man. However, he is much older now — that was a long time ago.

    Whitney: God Don’t Like Ugly!

  58. admin says:

    Did I mention on here that someone called in to the Ed Schultz show the other day and said that the story in the National Enquirer about Palin having an affair with hubby’s ex-business partner was true. The caller had a close friend/family member who works for the NE.

    Now there is this from Andrew Sullivan:

    Remember what I said above:

    Some crisis is likely to erupt in the Palin candidacy between September 9 and September 12. Tertiary progressed Moon will be conjunct tertiary progressed Uranus (12Virgo54) and natal Pluto (13Virgo27), and the the entire configuration will be crossed by transiting Saturn.

    Think about it: a mini Moon/Uranus/Pluto conjunction hit by Saturn.

  59. admin says:

    ABC News has exclusively learned that Alaska Senator Hollis French will announce today that he is moving up the release date of his investigation into whether Gov. Sarah Palin abused her office to get the Alaska public safety commissioner, Walt Monegan, fired. The results of the investigation were originally scheduled for release Oct. 31 but will now come almost three weeks earlier, according to sources.

  60. sonya says:

    And the ex business partner of Todd Palin just asked for an emergancy motion to seal his divorce record. Umm.

  61. Julie W says:

    Nancy: I don’t know if it is nice to wish bad on others in certain circumstances, but I certainly hope you are right. I am not wishing bad, just for the truth about her character to come out.

  62. sonya says:

    Sorry Nancy same story. The National Inquirer needs to pay Todd’s ex business partner’s ex wife off in a hurry in case the judge seals the divorce records.

  63. sonya says:

    Julie: wishing bad would be wishing for her to fall off a cliff. Wishing for the truth to be reveal and Karma unfold is all good.

  64. Julie W says:

    Nancy, Rove and Co. very cold and shrewed men and women. I cannot believe they did not know all about Palin beforehand. I am certain they did and set McCain up. It is their hail Mary, not McCain’s. They set him up. I am still not sure why, but as I said before, I am certain that they did. You can be sure that someone had her Investigated well before hand and knew the controversy she would case. This is going to make a great Novel or movie.

  65. Julie W says:

    Now there is a question out about whether or not she really sold the State Airplane on Ebay or to a private person!

    and there is reporting on that Sarah Palin seems, to have switched colleges at least six times in six years, including two stints at the University of Idaho before graduating from there in 1987.

  66. sonya says:

    Rove and Co were desperate. McCain wanted Lieberman and he was stubborn about it until two weeks ago when they floated Liberman’s name and Ridge name out in public and the religious right had a fit. They vetted Pawlenty and Rommney and used them. MSNBC reported that they were burned by the McCain campaign because up until Thursday night- the campaign was saying that the VP would be Pawlenty.

    Palin is a congential liar and probably did not reveal her affair to McCain nor everything surrounding trooper gate. She just hired a lawyer so she probably didn’t know that they had her emails and phone conversations with the police chief.

    They didn’t even do a background check on her. There was hardly any vetting.

    And in a perserve way maybe Rove was pushing Palin for a reason. So that McCain would fail. Rove wants to known as the greatest political strategist and not known for wrecking the Republican party.

  67. Pat says:

    Bay Jet Sale? Didn’t Happen

    What is it about Republicans?

  68. Pat says:

    The court has refused to seal the divorce records.

  69. LJ says:

    Everything is in a mess, the economy,the wars, our debt, our standing in the world. Would Rove/Bush want to give this election to Obama, wanting him to fail, of course. Blame everything on the Democrats and come back in 2012?
    Bush does not like McCain, anyway. It is hard to figure out their deceptive minds.
    Troopergate Wooten will be on CNN tonight-Campbell Brown.
    Nancy, thanks for the info about Sept. 9/12th, looks like trouble is coming.

  70. Pat says:

    Link to a blog called “Librarians Against Palin”:

  71. Julie W says:

    I feel something very sinister about this whole mess. She was on Dobson and other’s list for quite awhile but McCain did not take her seriously, while others did. Someone knew about all of this, that she was a bomb waiting to go off and McCain was set up good and right for a particular purpose. To start another culture war, I am not sure. But it is very sinister.

  72. LJ says:

    Wow- did you see the bumper stickers they are selling/ Librarins Against Palin.

    Julie, I think this is sinister. You are with us or against us ! routine.

  73. Pat says:

    From Robin’s link:

    “Legislative leaders today announced that a joint House and Senate Judiciary Committee hearing will take place on Friday, September 12, 2008, at 9:00 a.m. in Anchorage to issue subpoenas in the ongoing investigation into the events surrounding the termination of former Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan. They also set a date of October 10, 2008, for the completion of special counsel Stephen Branchflower’s report.”

  74. LJ says:

    Paul Krugman | The Resentment Strategy
    Paul Krugman, The New York Times: “What the GOP is selling … is the pure
    politics of resentment; you’re supposed to vote Republican to stick it to an
    elite that thinks it’s better than you. Or to put it another way, the GOP is
    still the party of Nixon.”

  75. LJ says: Breaking news: Palin won’t be subpoenaed in ‘Troop…

  76. fierywoman says:

    There is a theory floating around re McCain/Palin/Lieberman:
    1. McCain really wanted Lieberman, but the repugs told him there would be floor fight at the convention if he put up Lieberman’s name
    2.So McCain was royally pissed off and chose Palin to get back at the repugs, knowing that the choice would fall through and she’d have to resign, but that would be after the convention so that he could…
    3. Put in Lieberman’s name after all.

  77. Professor says:

    Nancy, according to the Huffington Post the report is expected to be unfavorable to Palin. Moreover, seven witnesses will be subpoened next week. Palin will testify by phone. Here, perhaps, is the crisis you foresaw. A brilliant astrologer I used to consult believed that all squares are challenging and problematical and potentially dangerous including Venus squaring the sun. What is your opinion?

  78. Julie W says:

    LJ: Whose selling those bumper stickers?

  79. sonya says:

    This farce is a west wing eposide not suppose to be reality. Something bad is going on here. Either Rove and Company don’t want McCain to be president- so they can pick up the pieces of the Rep party for their own agenda.

    Because if by chance McCain wins- he is too stubborn and erratic for the neo conservatives to count on. It didn’t take a rocket scientist to tell that the Republicans would revolt if Liberman was VP. But McCain stubbornly tried until the last moment.

    Or it could be the cultural wars again. But all economist know that people under economic stress struggling to pay for basic needs-housing and food are less so incline to vote just on cultural issues.

    And McCain is trying to hide Palin’s views to make her more user friendly for independent swing voters.

    I really think McCain bought the idea that Palin would appeal to working class white women voters who among polling are the undecided voters. They were Hillary supporters and Obama now has 85% of Democrat support. McCain has 92% of Republican support. So McCain is targeting the 15% that aren’t supporting Obama now.

    Obama is beating McCain in all other demographics except older voters (but Obama has closed the gap substantially) and tied with him with men.

    Obama has the independents and Palin doesn’t do anything for them. McCain is really trying to make Palin into some Joan of Arc Norma Rae icon.

  80. LJ says:

    Link to a blog called “Librarians Against Palin”:

    This came from Pat’s comments at 11:38 a.m.

  81. Julie W says:

    “Oh my, I think we have just witnessed a seminal moment. Marty Peretz has just destroyed McCain and the Republicans. This convention just lost McCain the jewish vote. In the past, he was sort of an admirer of Obama but was deferential to McCain and generally supportive. No longer.

    If they lost Peretz, then they lost Zuckerman. And if they lost Zuckerman, then they lost period. No wonder McCain is attacking the media, they are disgusted with him too.”

    A commenter from, a great article from Peretz!

  82. LJ says:

    Scroll down in the comments section for the Bumper stickers sale from the site that Pat sent.

  83. Julie W says:

    LJ, read the link. The place sounds like “Mayberry”, if you know what I am talking about — Andry Griffith and all that! It gives me a bad picture. This whole episode is just really, really weird!

  84. will says:

    “Hurricane Sarah”

    “Think about it: a mini Moon/Uranus/Pluto conjunction hit by Saturn.”

    Wicked hilarious!

  85. Fe says:


    “Starlight News” just got cross-posted on Planetwaves!! Your “Hurricane Sarah” article is up there on page two!!

  86. Zeroariestrian says:

    Yikers. “Sambo beat the bitch”?

    Stay classy, Alaska.

  87. Ali says:

    Julie, what was the title of that piece by Marty Peretz? I couldn’t get the link to work but went the the Spine. Which piece was it? Thanks!

  88. Lisa says:

    I hate to be negative here, but I think that what most of you are brinigng up is probably a waste of time. Rumors and heresay generated online by Obama supporters is only going to make people even more inclined to support Palin. This troopergate investigation is going to amount to baiscally nothing that anyone on the right is going to care about. I think what people saw (when they saw her speak) the other night is going to count much more. They got an impression of a really strong and courageous woman with a load of backbone and she and McCain combined seem like a stronger force than Obama-Biden. This is the big problem here. This is mostly what the question and doubt on Obama is. Barack has to prove he is really a strong, decisive and unusually tough guy in the next two months. Stronger than McCain and more clear and sure of what he will do. That’s how this will be won and all WE can do is hope he pulls it off. It’s all up to him, because, quite frankly, Palin is a side issue.

    I just saw her chart by the way, and I’m real concerned about her Mercury in 1 degree of Aquarius and Moon in 4 degrees of Aquarius. Jupiter will be 3 degrees of Aquarius on Jan. 20 and the Sun will be 1 degree. Not very comforting news.

    I went to this PlanetWaves site and I couldn’t find out where this birth time of 4:40 pm comes from. Anyone know? Because if this is not the right time I will sure be relieved.

  89. Rin says:

    Lisa–I couldn’t agree with you more. Palin is a distraction. The GOP wants to turn this campaign into a battle of personalities using the “The Sarah Palin” show. Palin is a gimmick to pull in the right wing. They love her, they bought into her story, while Obama, who we’ve been following for several months is still an “other.” This is the type of xenophobia and racism that polarizes people, and GOP is hoping that it will win them this elections.

    What we–meaning the Obama Camp and his supporters–have got to do is corral this narrative back on the issues: the economy is wear the Republicans are weakest and the Democrats are strong, and everyone is feeling the pinch really bad. We have to keep pushing this, and push it hard, like the way Joe Biden pushed in PA.

    Don’t fall for their trap. Don’t let them sucker you into focusing all the attention on her. Focus on McCain and the fact that his policies are the same as Bush’s.

  90. admin says:

    It is important to remember, however, that often it is some small mistake or event that becomes the narrative of the campaign and can tank the whole thing. Think of Kerry windsurfing. Think of Clinton and Snipergate or Dukakis on the tank. None of these various Neptunian Palin scandals may be enough to sink Sarah, but if any catches on and becomes part of the narrative, it could be quite potent.

    On another note, the image of that Down Syndrome baby being carted around is pretty appalling. A 4 month old does not have a mature immune system and is pretty vulnerable to be dragged around in a big crowd like that. Moreover, Down Syndrome babies have more vulnerabilities than normal babies – heart issues, etc. The image of Palin really exploiting both the baby and the 17 year old for her right-wing street cred is pretty nauseating.

  91. But there is this one posted as well.

    Pat posted this site on 9-1-08. It was a guess at the time of 8:24 a.m?? Wild Guess?

    Stars over Washington / Jude Cowell found

    Todd Palin’s birthday 9-6-1964 Dillingham, Alaska no time known {tomorrow]!

    There is also a wedding chart for them that he has posted!
    Looks like he uses 4:40 p.m. too which
    came from planetwaves.

  92. Lisa says:

    Rin, yes, I was just thinking of how racist the country is. The republicans are 100% ready to vote for her–feel total trust for her even though they barely know her. Barack has opened himself up to all of us for the past year and a half and people still don’t feel like they know him well enough to trust him. This is blantant racism and it deeply upsets me.

    Nancy, I don’t think Kerry lost it because he went wind surfing. I think he lost it because 1) He made foolish, convoluted statements that made him come off like a phoney politican who stood for nothing 2) That completely forced remark about Cheney’s daughter being a lesbian that made him sound completely ridiculous. 3) He wanted to be president while a war was going on but he didn’t support the war anymore–even though he’d voted for it–and he had no idea what he was going to do about the war once he got in.

    The wind surfing was the least of it.

    BTW, I voted for Kerry anyway, because he still seemed hugely better than the alternative.

  93. Ali says:

    OK, I feel better – just googled Palin focus groups and read many of the comments on this site:

    it’s not (as far as I know) a left-leaning site, and the vast majority of the comments of undecideds were defintitely negative towards Palin. Many commenters used the word “Scary”. And so she is. What a creep show the last week has been.

  94. LJ says:

    Nancy or anyone else

    Todd Palin 9-6-1964 Dillingham, AK noon birth?
    Sun/Uranus/Mercury/Pluto conjunct in Virgo
    Moon-24 degrees Virgo

    Looks like Saturn has put him in a tailspin and I would think a lot of ” stress” and burden. He is earth and water and she is fire and air. To me, he looks boring and obediant. I see no joy ahead?

  95. Fe says:


    As for Sarah Palin, the thought of someone who not did not go through a vetting process, NOR did she ever get vetted through a voting process in the primaries would raise the specter of a constitutional crisis if she were to be president.

    Also, I would check in with Nancy about Obama’s aspects on 20 January. I remember they actually exceed Palin’s.

  96. admin says:

    Lisa – It wasn’t because he went wind surfing. The wind surfing became symbolic of him being elitist, etc. Sometimes the littlest, most meaningless thing becomes an iconic image that is remembered and given meaning. If you think about it, it is pretty amazing that we remember 4 years later that he went wind surfing one day on vacation during the campaign.

  97. Lorrie U. says:

    The Intention Experiment is embarking on a series of scientific studies to determine whether ‘group mind’ has the power to increase peace and cooperation in war-torn areas around the world experiencing high levels of conflict and violence.

    This project was sparked by the numerous Transcendental Meditation studies showing that when a critical mass of meditators regularly meditate in an area, the crime rate goes down.

    The TM organization has also targeted global conflict. In 1983 a special TM assembly met in Israel to attempt to use meditation to resolve the Palestinian conflict. During their sessions, they made daily comparisons between the number of meditators working on the project and the state of Arab–Israeli relations. On days with a high number of meditators, fatalities in Lebanon fell by 76 per cent. Ordinary violence – local crime, traffic accidents and fires – also all decreased.

    Although many meditation groups and other peace initiatives are being formed and studied, the Peace Intention Experiment represents the first scientific study of whether collective targeted intention can restore peace.

    The first study will begin on September 14, 2008, to tie in with the Unity Church’s Eleven days of Unity, and run for 10-minute intervals each day at the same time for one week.

    To sign up to participate:

  98. Jerry W says:

    Very amusing. I wonder if the comments in this blog are slightly out of touch with the national opinion polls. It’s difficult to gauge what is going on. Anyone have any ideas?…….

    Hockey Mom Scores Over Obama
    By Herald staff
    September 6, 2008

    Democrat Barack Obama’s much-vaunted political star power took a drubbing this week as the woman in the GOP’s No. 2 spot bypassed him in favorability polls, according to Rasmussen Reports.

    Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, virtually unknown in the lower 48 states a week ago, is now viewed favorably by 58 percent of American voters, despite days of relentless negative news reports and political attacks preceding her acceptance speech Wednesday, Rasmussen reported. Its national telephone survey found that 37 percent of voters hold an unfavorable view of the self-described hockey mom.


  99. Zeroariestrian says:

    Rasmussen… Isn’t that the polling firm that only calls up registered Republicans with land lines?

  100. will says:

    Absolutely hilarious clip of Jon Stewart skewering Rove, Dick Morris and other lying Rethug stinkers.

  101. Julie W says:

    I do not think she is viewed all that favorably. I hear a lot of women (not African Americans) white women nurses, office workers talk about her 17 year old daughter or the baby that she has paraded around, women who would ordinarily vote Republican are turned off by her, they just are! Maybe the evangelical rule is over.

  102. Julie W says:

    The Marty Peretz Article from the Spine 04.09.2008

    Please God, Do Bless America and Rescue Us From These Swilly People!

    The Republicans have always done well in the culture wars, and the Democrats have quite often been directly responsible for the dim and dreary consequences.

    But this is not at all the case during the current election season, and it has not been the case for years. The Democratic opposition has actually been quite modest in its economic proposals (much too modest, I believe) and it has retreated a bit from its isolationist and soft power fantasies (but not retreated enough). Frankly, Barack Obama is no radical but a measured and scrupulously honest liberal. (By the way, I prefer the “liberal” label to the “progressive” one which still reeks of Communist Party politics). And so for that matter is Jospeh Biden a liberal, deeply knowledgeable and deeply rooted.

    Given all this, I am still reeling from last night’s malign hysteria at the Republican convention. This is a rotten crowd, even the pious Christian Huckabee and certainly Mayor Guiliani and the aspiring vice president, Sarah Palin.

    It was a lilly white congregation when it is increasing rare to see that in our society any longer. Virtually no blacks. It didn’t have many Hispanics either. Nor, for that matter, did I notice many Asian Americans. The assembly was in a trance about a politics there never was in America.

    The uglier the remark the uglier the smile on Rudy’s face. If Hillary Clinton or Nancy Pelosi had been decked out like soccer mom Sarah last night the G.O.P. would have called them tramps. Why, a hem two inches below the knee! So risque! I giver her her due: she is pretty like a cosmetics saleswoman at Macy’s.

    Let’s face the truth: If Bristol were Joe Biden’s daughter or, worse yet, Barcak Obama’s, the epithet “slut” would be on everyone’s tongue in St. Paul. But since she is Palin’s daughter she has been treated as if she were a saint, maybe Mother Theresa incarnate. But, of course, Mother Theresa wouldn’t have had a child. Now, this pregnancy of an unmarried daughter could have happened to any of us, and it probably has to many of us. We would be accused of sexually loose morals and of not bringing up our daughters in the fear of both God and ourselves. Sex before marriage, a shame and a scandal.

    None of this approbation, at least in the open. So it is good to see that the Palin family didn’t torture poor Bristol, at least in the open. And Levi will actually marry her girl. Good for him. For her. Still, the public celebration of a private happening repels. This premature open baptism may actually ruin all three of their lives.

    Is there nothing private anymore? Why was the softly adorable five-month old Down’s Syndrome baby also presented for hours on hours to the television audience, passed from Cindy McCain to anyone near and then back to Cindy?

    This is not really about politics. It is about culture, private morals and honesty. They have turned the tables on us: pretending tolerance but being as phobic as it takes to win an election. Yes, please God, do bless America and rescue us from these swilly people.

  103. Julie W says:

    That date 04/09/08 has to be wrong on the article I copied.

  104. Julie W says:

    I guess it is September 4, 08, sorry for these short postings.

  105. Professor says:

    Nancy, do you foresee problems in Iraq as a result of Woodward’s revelations? Maliki could be losing faith with other Arab leaders.

  106. Ali says:

    Julie, thanks for posting the article.I’m but familiar with the author, you mentioned he can indicate perception by Jewish voters. Can you elaborate?

    Also re favorability I posted a link at 8:28 last night that I think is a more realistic picture of how Palin did with women voters. Can’t repost (on blackberry).I don’t believe the Rasmussen poll.

  107. Ali says:

    Sorry 1st paragraph above should read “I’m not familiar”

  108. admin says:

    Remember, Rachel Maddow’s new show starts on Monday on MSNBC, at 9 ET.

    And check out this new video about mcCain:

  109. admin says:

    Professor – The Pluto station is opposite Maliki’s Sun right now through some time in October (don’t have a birth time). thus he is in some fierce power struggles for control of the country. His Prime Minister chart is squeezed pretty tight through mid-January. If he last through that, he will survive. But it could be quite difficult for him to do so, especially in November and December (again that crisis period).

  110. Julie W says:

    Ali, that earlier comment was a post I got from and I copied one of the comments re: that article. I don’t know that writer either but the commentator did.

    Nancy, that is a funny video about McCain that I will have to email to my email list.

  111. LJ says:

    It got lost in the news yesterday and only heard it once- Maliki said the “surge” did not work. It was the Sunni “awakening that quieted the violence.
    Just as Obama said. Bob Woodward will be on Larry King Monday night discussing his book and Bush’s surveillance of Maliki.

    Will someone give some advice on Todd Palin’s birth chart.

  112. will says:

    Julie W, you wrote:

    “This is not really about politics. It is about culture, private morals and honesty. They have turned the tables on us: pretending tolerance but being as phobic as it takes to win an election. Yes, please God, do bless America and rescue us from these swilly people.”

    Hear, hear!

  113. Lorrie U. says:

    Here’s the script along with the video–classic Jon Stewart!

  114. LJ says:

    The Jon Stewart video was one of his best ever.

    Nancy, congratulations, and well deserved recognition. Just read planetwaves.

  115. cimbalok says:

    The bit about Palin calling Barack & Hillary Sambo and the bitch is heinous. However, unless we have a recording of it, I’m reserving judgement. I hope that Palin will slip up shortly not realizing that a mic is on. If it’s true that she used those slurs this is not someone you want just a heart-attack away from the presidency of your country!

    Sorry for my own nastiness. I don’t hate McCain and I don’t wish illness on him. I just wish he’d go away to the Bahamas with a few trophy wives to keep him occupied until America gets its act together.

  116. Lorrie U. says:

    CAMPAIGN FIRST, COUNTRY SECOND…. Kevin takes a closer look at the latest ABC News poll and finds an interesting discrepancy:

    If I’m reading this right, about 89% of Republicans approve of the Palin pick, but only 74% believe she’s prepared to be president. This means that 15% of Republicans approve of their nominee choosing a running mate who’s unprepared to succeed him if necessary.

    Remind me again what the campaign’s motto is? “Country First”?

    Those aren’t priorities we can believe in.

  117. Margriet says:

    It would be good to hear from Hillary. She could help Obama a lot.

  118. Julie W says:

    Will, Marty Peretz from Swine wrote those insightful words, which I echo.

  119. will says:

    Jesus, now its Hillary’s job to prop up Obama again? What does she need to do, perform fellatio on him publicly to convince her 18 million that she supports him? It is evident from many interviews and those in the know that Michele Obama does not even like Hillary. Its now time for the Obamas, Biden and the Democratic voters to go to work and get him in office. Give Hillary a rest already.

  120. sonya says:

    Well Will if Hillary would have performed fellatio on Clinton maybe Al Gore would not have won/lost the election.

    And what does who likes whom do with politics. I think all Democrats hands should be on deck. But it is Obama/Biden who have to seal the deal.

    I personally think Hillary is livid at Palin. I think she would not have been truly upset with Obama losing. But a McCain win would guarentee Palin the presidential nominee for the Republicans next go around. Both Palin and Clinton are polarizing figures but running for president from being a VP would give her a definite advantage over a losing democratic candidate and former first lady.

    So I think Hillary self interest is to do all she can. But now she has more power with Obama because he really now needs her help in Ohio, Mich and Penns.

    Still Obama has the overall advantage, he has 7 ways to make it to 270, McCain only has one. He needs to win Florida, NC, Virgina and two of the following states: Penn, Mich and Ohio.

    He has a shot with Ohio, but Michagan is slowly moving Obama’s way and Obama still has a 7-9 point advantage in Penn.

  121. Seeker says:

    Hear Hear Will!!! Agreed. It’s a bit disconcerting that Obama, who has has the high ground on the issues, isn’t doing better in the polls. Obama *must* hit back hard in the next week, including ALL his surogates — to counter the Neptunian snow job that is Palin. What a pile on… now, if the media is to be bellieve, have TWO change candidates. What a pile… The footage I have seen of Obama the past few days, he has seemed weak and ineffectual – to my dismay.

  122. Rin says:

    I’m going to be honest here. I’m not sure Obama can win this. This is turning into an identity politics game, and let’s face it: Obama is an ‘exotic.’ That’s a terrible way to put it, but the worst in us is easier to access. The Republicans must have known that when they changed the narrative to ‘personalities’ instead of ‘issues.’ You saw that crow at the RNC. It was positively trabalist their going on and on about ‘small town values.’

    I still plan on doing everything I can with donating and phonebanking, but I’m not getting my hopes up.

  123. sonya says:

    Why people fall inton dispar so easily. The economy is failing and a drowning man doesn’t care what color the hands are of the man that saved him.

    It’s not turning into indentity politics. McCain is trying to make that issue but still hasn’t crack 45% in the polls with almighty Palin. Of course Obama isn’t running as good as a generic Democratic- he is black. And even if Hillary was the nominee she would loss big time. Indpendents hate her and McCain experience trumped her’s my miles. Plus she never ran as a change agent and Pilan would be the change.

  124. Fe says:


    I’m doing more than that. I am not giving in to despair. That’s exactly what they want you to feel. They want to belittle you and everything you believe in.

    That’s what bullies do.

    This is what I’m doing. I’m driving three of my friends over to Nevada, where we will be camping out in Reno next weekend registering new voters. New Democratic voters.

    They don’t want you to take action. They want you to lie down and feel despondent. I say, tell them to STFU with the noise and the racist taunts. Its OUR turn to take this country.

    Let’s get it back.

  125. shoalsister says:

    Oh, I wouldn’t let Rasmussen deflate hopes by any means. On the ground and in the ear is a much better guage. Today I got a note from my very Republican, Texan brother…a successful businessman to boot. There was a funny joke about Sarah Palin…and he added that after, yes, actually reading the letter from her fellow townswoman, he figures Sarah is a dem in disguise with her 38% tax increase. (tongue in cheek) He was also blown away by the librarian story. So, see…even the red state males are giving her more than a testosterone laden glance. I think if we can all hold it together the good will prevail (c’mon now, isn’t the Hillary-Obama war long over??? she’ll do the right thing)
    Thanks to all for the great links, and to Nancy and the astrologers, of course, and especially to Andy for the keys…great stuff!

  126. Ali says:

    Sonia, thanks for the heartening fact-based comments.

    We need to focus on the state polls, not daily tracking. And don’t forget O’s giant advantage in the background of the story: ground game!.

    Did you all see/hear the hot mic moment between republicans Peggy Noonan and Mike Murphy? They know McCain is messing up big time by trying to frame election on narrative and personalities. He won’t win enough of the middle because of his she-devil VP.

  127. Fe says:

    Democrats post big gains in voter registration
    By JULIE PACE and STEPHEN OHLEMACHER – 10 hours ago

    CLAIRTON, Pa. (AP) — Five days a week, Linda Graham trolls tattered neighborhoods of this once thriving steel city outside Pittsburgh for unregistered voters she can sign up as Democrats — one of thousands of unknown volunteers whose work outside the limelight has already altered the basic arithmetic of the November election.

    The epic nomination battle between Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton helped put millions more Democrats on the voter rolls while Republican registration declined. Now Graham, 45, has taken three months of unpaid leave from her job at Pittsburgh’s Central Blood Bank in the hope of adding to those gains before the presidential vote.

    She’s encouraged by the response here. “They’re all feeling the crunch” of lost jobs and a sagging economy, Graham said. “But people are feeling empowered. They’re feeling like, you know what, I hold a little bit of power in this.”

    To counter this effort, the Republicans are counting on a formidable, high-tech get-out-the-vote operation that has helped them win the past two presidential elections.

    Since the last federal election in 2006, volunteers like Graham combined with the enthusiasm generated by the Obama-Clinton struggle to add more than 2 million Democrats to voter rolls in the 28 states that register voters according to party affiliation. The Republicans have lost nearly 344,000 thousand voters in the same states.

    The Democrats hope their voter registration efforts can boost Obama to victory in competitive states like Pennsylvania, Nevada and Florida and perhaps even give him a shot at winning traditional Republican states like Georgia, North Carolina and Virginia.

    Both Obama and his Republican rival, John McCain, are fighting for independent swing voters, and many of the new Democrats had been unaffiliated voters.

    The number of unaffiliated voters dropped by nearly 900,000 since 2006. Many joined the Democratic Party to take part in the primaries and caucuses, and now they will now be targeted by an aggressive get-out-the-vote campaign.

    “We feel that our supporters are more enthusiastic than we’ve seen in previous cycles,” said Jon Carson, Obama’s national field director.

    The Obama campaign is taking the lead among the party organizations and labor unions that traditionally work on voter registration efforts.

    Because party organizations and unions, like the Service Employees International Union to which Graham belongs, can raise unrestricted amounts of money, presidential campaigns typically rely on them to handle the bulk of voter registration drives, Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean said in an interview.

    “This is the first campaign I’ve seen where the voter registration is done by the campaign,” Dean said.

    The Republicans are relying on a more traditional voter registration model, with the Republican National Committee leading the effort among state parties.

    “We hope that the hard work we’ve done in the past will provide us with a strategic advantage,” said Mike DuHaime, McCain’s political director. “We will have the most technologically advanced ground operation ever.”

    DuHaime said the RNC is working with the state parties to register voters in every battleground state. He said there is extra emphasis on the fast-growing ones, including Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, Florida and North Carolina.

    He said the GOP’s comprehensive voter database helps it track voters moving into competitive states.

    “If you ever voted in a Republican primary and move without registering, we pick it up,” DuHaime said.

    Nationwide, there are about 42 million registered Democrats and about 31 million Republicans, according to statistics compiled by The Associated Press.

    The Democrats have posted big gains in many competitive states, including Nevada, New Hampshire, Iowa, Colorado and Florida. They have also been targeting historically Republican southern states.

    Since 2006, the Democrats have added 167,000 voters in North Carolina, while the Republicans have added 36,000. The Democrats’ biggest voter registration goal is in Georgia, where the Obama campaign hopes to register 500,000 voters before the election, said Dean, who has spent the past month traveling the country on a voter registration bus tour.

    “The Obama folks are serious about Georgia,” Dean said. Georgia has added 337,000 voters since 2006, but the state does not identify them by party affiliation.

    In Pennsylvania, the Democrats have added 375,000 voters since 2006 while the Republicans have lost 117,000.

    America Votes, an umbrella organization, coordinates voter registration efforts for more than 40 groups in Pennsylvania, including unions, the NAACP and the Sierra Club.

    On a recent weekday, two dozen volunteers canvas neighborhoods in five southwest Pennsylvania counties, targeting African-Americans in their teens and twenties, who tend to vote at lower rates than older voters.

    Graham, the SEIU member, works the neighborhoods of Clairton, where the steel industry’s decline has left more downtown storefronts boarded up than occupied.

    Graham finds a potential voter at the first house she stops at. Justin Webb, a father of two, is unregistered, but tells Graham he has serious concerns about the economy.

    “We need more jobs,” said Webb, 28. “If we had more jobs, we would have more opportunities to better ourselves.”

    It takes Graham less than five minutes to register Webb as a Democrat.

  128. will says:

    Sonya, you wrote:

    “Well Will if Hillary would have performed fellatio on Clinton maybe Al Gore would not have won/lost the election.”

    Now its her fault that Gore lost!?!?!?!?! Are you quite certain you aren’t a Republican?

    I am beginning to believe that Sarah Palin is karmic comeuppance for all of the Hillary hating that went on in our Democratic Party.

    I rest my case.

  129. Rin says:

    I’m sorry people. Didn’t mean to bum out anyone.

    I’m not falling into despair; I’m trying to be realistic. Of course we can’t give up, and I’m not gonna. It just hurts me to see so many people jump on the tiniest suggestion of controversy hoping it will sink the ship. So many of my Clinton supporter friends did that, and they’re still recovering from the loss.

    If we lose, I want to be able to lose with grace and dignity, and even optimism if it’s possible. That will be easier to achieve if we prepare ourselves for the future.

  130. Rin says:

    Fe–I’m going to Nevada, too, for voter registration! My group will be heading down there near the end of this month.

  131. Fe says:


    I’ll be in Reno the weekend of the 12th. Looking forward to the breeze. Its been blazes here in the Bay Area.

    Putting yourself to work on the campaign seems to alleviate the worry. Gotta keep your head down and to the wheel.


  132. LJ says:

    There was an avalanche of volunteers in AZ. after Wed. night and Palin speech/money too.
    I have respected Hillary for years, until the discovery that Bill made so much money from foreign countries, and that is one reason Obama could not pick her, plus I believe they have a real friendship with the Bush’s.
    In the final coutcome, my belief, people do not like a”shrill” pushy, loud woman as Palin is. Her aggressiveness will wear on us, and her lies about E-bay/plane sounds like Hillary and the Bosnia story and will wear on us.
    Hillary a Scorpio and Nancy Pelosi an Aries will not allow this woman to get ahead of them.
    Don’t think we hate Hillary, just do not trust her as I think Palin will come out the same. Except for the extreme Right.
    Hillary will stand her own ground and beat Palin down on the policies that do no help women. Don’t think Bill could get enough fellatio to ever appease him, anyway.
    Krugman had a good article about the resentment and humiliation the Republicans had after Nixon. So they paint the Democrats as different, Elite, and un-American. Cheney has grabbed Executive power, so as to not end up powerless as Nixon. Sen. Inofe{spelling?} of Oklahoma just had to apologize for calling Obama ” Exotic”, but he got it out there anyway.
    I am writing too much but Silver State Bank in Nevada was closed on Fri. and Andrew McCain had been on the Board-5 months–resigned in July. But that is strange since we have already had Siverado Savings and Loan scandal and McBush’s. There was mafia money tied up with Cindy’s father starting the beer business.
    More volunters more blogging and the National Enquirer!!? can get Obama elected. Neptune has got to keep bring Palin down and somebody please look at husband’s birthday. Looks terrible for him.

  133. Lorrie U. says:

    Not to belittle the Hillary point, but I’ve heard that there’s a good possibility Obama will appoint her to the Supreme Court, which I think would be a really good move. I don’t think she would have that opportunity if the Reps get in, so it’s in HER best interest to help defeat them.

    My take on Obama’s comments after the RNC was not that he was weak and ineffective. He appeared sane and balanced and quitely sensible instead of the hysteria swirling all around. He is just the one we need in these crazy times to keep a sense of equilibrium!

  134. sonya says:

    Will, you are the one who brought the bj aspect into the discussion. And yes, Clinton tawdry little affair harmed Gore. Bill was a president of who sheparded in a great economy, budget surplus and 24 mil new jobs. No time in history, would a VP with the amount of good head wind from great economy would lose.

    It was Bill’s years of sexual affairs and Hillary’s enabling (she did make Bill girlfriends sign confidential aggreements in Ark at the Rose Law firm) that put Gore in a bind.

    Bill lied to Gore and made Gore and most of his cabinet members look stupid when they went out on tv to say that the Monica Lewinsky thing was a great right wing conspiracy. That cut Gore’s credibility and even Bill’s usefulness in campaigning for Gore.

    The difference this year in Bill’s effort for his wife, was the eight years he used in redeeming himself to the public. Americans are very puritianical in their beliefs. They stupidily want the President to be perfect.

    And the 2000 campaign should of never come down to hanging chads in Fl. I think Bill was a good president but was so morally self destructive that it wasn’t funny.

    I remember newscasters in the middle of the day reading the Ken Star report and taling about the placements of cigars. It was disgusting. But I got over my disgust and said all long as he wasn’t f***ing over America than I don’t care. But not many people except the black community shared my attitude.

    And too many people like Betsy Wright (longtime Clintons supporter) said too many people thought Bill was so special that they brushed aside his self-destructiveness including Hillary.

    Even Hillary friends urged Hillary not to move to Ark and marry Bill because he was cheating on her from the get go.

    And as much as I despise Sarah Palin’s politics and personality- she forged her own career to become governor on her own. Something Hillary can not claim.

    And if McCain wins Hillary can kiss any chance of a revival away. Sarah Palin would be hard to bet. Because no matter what her politics are this is a center right country and four years of McCain would make that more so.

    So in a strange way it would be interesting fantasy to see a Hillary who pretended to be a Scranton girl, beer swilling, downing shots, who shot rabbits as a kid against Sarah.

    Hillary tried to pretend to be a left version of Palin. It wasn’t enough. and it won’t be enough for McCain.

  135. sonya says:

    Re: I understand where you coming from. But like any sports player tell you, you can never let defeatism enter your mind. You have to be in the zone and claim your prize.

    I do that in my own life. If I want a new job or promotion, I prepare for it, go after it and claim it in the name of the heavenly spirits. Letting doubt in clouds your mind and slower your reflexes.

    Obama will win and must win. There is no alternative.

  136. Carol says:

    Marjorie Orr’s take on the election. She thinks Obama will win considering the Neptune issues’

  137. Seeker says:

    Sonya – Enough the Clinton-hate. Enough looking back already please… Focus on today and Obama.

  138. sonya says:

    Seeker, please don’t tell me what to do. I was responding to Will who accused me of being a Republican. And in my family being called a Republican is worst than being called a n*****.

    So if you read the whole scroll today most of posts were about Obama and trying to keep some from dismay.

    But never ever tell me what to do. You can only control yourself not others. And I speak my mind and will not sit at the back of the bus for no one.

  139. Seeker says:

    Sonya, Wouldnt think of telling you what to do, but I will scroll by anything you have to say. I am tired of reading about how you HATE the Clintons.

  140. Whitney says:

    LJ, the bad stuff in the Palin hubby’s chart is what scares me, because if his wife becomes VP, his life will be a nightmare. The tabloids will be all over him, and he doesn’t look like the kind of guy who can handle it. Big responsibilities with no rewards, I’d say.

  141. sonya says:

    Seeker, your 8:25 pm told me what to do. And as for focusing on Obama. As a woman, I can do more than one thing at a time. It’s call multi tasking. So it is very easy for me to focus on Obama and reply to Will’s silly post.

    And just like TV, if you don’t like something don’t watch or read it.

    And I voted for Bill twice, and I don’t like Hillary because of her war vote and the fact that my uncle died in Iraq. So maybe I’m a little too code pink for you- but if you walked in the shoes of family members of fallen soliders you may understand alittle.

    I don’t hate Hillary. I’m am deeply disappointed in her. I remember hoping that after she won her Senate race that she would divorce Bill and become a force in her own right. I didn’t see that she was planning to run for President in 2008 until her Iraq Resolution vote. I wished she had a political backbone when we needed it. Her convention speech was great in rallying the delegates. I just wonder what she could have done if she gave such an impassioned speech against the Iraq resolution and how many fellow democrats would have followed especially since she is married to an ex President.

    Maybe, my uncle would be alive today. But one can’t dwell on should of, could of, and would of.

    What I do HATE are politicans making political choices (Clinton and Iraq) (McCain and Palin) above COUNTRY!

    And as I stated before, the best thing for Hillary is to start basing all of her decisions on prinicples and not what will garner her more votes and become the lioness of the Senate following Ted Kennedy’s remarkable service.

    Now, Ted Kennedy did harm in his personal life but none of it affected the country at large. Bill personal failing did harm the whole country and so has Hillary political positioning prior/after the Iraq resolution.

    And that is why I support and admire Obama. He may compromise on some issues for sake of governing but he will not abandon his core values for the sake of winning or scoring cheap political points.


  142. LJ says:

    Whitney, Thank you for the comment, I agree with you, but needed reassurance. He looks like the obedient type. Extremely difficult with Saturn hitting Sun/Uranus/Pluto all at once and then Uranus opposition Moon. Responsibilities big-time, and how could he even live in DC after Alaska and put up with people he’d have to meet?
    Going to think she will lose, and she will be hell to live with. Thanks for checking that out.

  143. LJ says:


    Read Frank Rich–NY Times article
    Palin and McCain’s Shotgun Wedding
    link from Huff post too

    Compares his vetting of Palin like he did in deciding to invade Iraq! and more–Love it.

    Carol, thanks for Marjorie Orr, loved that too

  144. Sharon says:

    Just read on Star IQ that Sarah Pallin’s conjunction of natal Saturn at 25 Aquarius with the U.S.’s moon will give her a solid connection with the U.S. people especially women, also caused me to wonder if she would have an oppressive effect on the people, particularly women. I can see how that would be the case.

  145. Julie W says:

    If Barack had picked Hillary, she would have solidified the base for him and he would have been able to pick Lieberman, he did not. They got Palin, two birds with one stone base and disaffected women. However, one is a Real Choice of the light and unity and a false choice of darkness and more disunity, a shadowy choice, a pretend choice of change. It is up to humanity to define the choice and make it clear, so it is up to the people on Earth who see it, to help others to see the clear issues no matter the shadow.

    More people are now aware that Palin has done a lot of work for the AIP, maybe a member. That is very important for a lot of Americans who would not think of separatiing from America. That is an extremist group. We should do more concentration on that fact, and the fact that she hates Jews and Blacks. As I said before this lady is a false, shadowy choice. She must be defined as who she is and not who they want to try to make her to be a new reformer of change. She problably is a reformer but a reformer away from America, hence AIP connections.

  146. Pat says:

    Now THIS is the bumper sticker to have on every bumper you can manage. Not sexist, and not prejudice in any way.

    Junk Bond John/Mooselini ’08


  147. margriet says:

    hm Pat, that bumper sticker sounds too funny to me, people will laugh and won’t get the sarcasm until later (too late).

    Little did I expect, when I posted my desire to see more of Hillary, that it would stir up ‘old’ feelings of primary campaign-hurt. This was not my intention. Sorry ’bout that guys!

    Hillary did great work and spent a lot of time and energy trying to become the next president. She almost made it.
    The reason I want to see more of her now is that that girl from Alaska is running away with the jewels of Hillary’s work. For a long time there was only one woman in the race and it was Hillary. She left the stage, and a little while later, Palin enters. It feels like “oh, the woman is back again – all is well” but no, it is the dark shadowy side this time, it’s a woman but with totally different and dangerous ideas. If we don’t see the first woman back on stage, you don’t really realize the difference, don’t really see there’s two women but opposite ideas.

    Having Hillary back into the picture would help the world; not only Barack or Joe.

    Btw, her becoming a Supreme Court justice sounds great to me.

  148. margriet says:

    Sharon, I’d say Palin’s natal Saturn on 25 Aq, conjunct the US Moon probably gives her a connection with the uS people esp. the US women.
    But it would be her dictating/deciding (Sat.) what the people do and can’t do in their own homes and families (Moon). ‘Cause her Saturn is strong with Sun and Mars so close.
    How strong is the US Moon? (and how high is it? :)

  149. LJ says:

    State paid for trip when Palin told students to pray for pipeline


    Published: September 7th, 2008 01:57 AM
    Last Modified: September 7th, 2008 02:39 AM

    From Anchorage Daily News
    Where’s the separation of church/state?

    Only Republican women will go for the Saturn/structured Moon conj. The rest of us are out of the box.

  150. Pat says:×3938682

    Why Does TransCanada Need $500 Million Cash Right Now? A Sarah Palin Mystery

  151. LJ says:

    Pat this is great info. Thanks for submitting it.
    What is going on? Looks like there is big need for investigation.
    There is a letter -for real- floating around from Dick Cheney to the Alaska Leg. to push for the oil contracts that Sen. Ten stevens asked him to write. Got to tie Palin with Stevens.
    This is complicated, and needs a lot of scrutiny.

  152. Pat says:

    The Gospel According to Lehrer and Rather

    ANP: Journalist Dan Rather talks about corporate interests and covering politics

  153. crystal says:

    I don’t see how Sonya hates the Clintons. She is just speaking the truth. I love reading her posts. She thinks so clearly and intelligently, and can reason out all the points that she is trying to make. I think she’ll make a great debater. Glad to have her working to elect Obama – just what we need – positive, clear, go get ‘em reasoning. Hit the campaign trail Sonya! I’m sure you and others like you will be a huge factor in helping Obama win this election. You go girl!

  154. Julie W says:

    Republican women will not go for the fact that Palin had any connection with the AIP, it is Unpatriotic! More attention should be focussed on her connection with that Extremist Group!

  155. Rin says:

    Give up on the AIP. People already know about it, and have shown not to care very much. As long as we are still under the influence of the Moon, nothing short of eating a baby live on camera will shatter the illusion of a dynamic and charismatic character. Same goes for Obama.

    Anyway, apparently Palin is going to do an interview later this week with Charles Gibson.

    Could this have anything to do with Nancy’s prediction about Palin between the 9th and the 12th. We shall see? Should be interesting, none the less.

  156. Pat says:

    John Brakey Arrested While Officially Observing Count

    While monitoring a handcount of ballots from the September 3rd Arizona primary, in his capacity as an official election observer for the Democratic and Libertarian parties, EDA Investigations Co-Coordinator John Brakey was arrested and ejected from the Pima County election headquarters on orders of Pima County Elections Director Brad Nelson.

    Brakey had noticed that several of the incoming bags containing ballots from the precincts had unsecured or missing seals. The seal failures appeared to be the result of pollworkers not knowing how to properly lock them.

    Brakey then wondered whether the serial numbers on the bag seals matched the serial numbers recorded by the precinct pollworkers when they sealed the ballots. One question led to another, and Brakey ended up in handcuffs.

    More at the link….

  157. Charles says:

    Visual Astrology Newsletter for September
    In this issue:
    Standing in the Radiance of Venus – A visual astrology view of the US presidential elections and its self-imposed union with Venus.

    … The victory will be most sweet for it will last for twelve years

    On a final note, whichever party gains the White House, they will hold it not only in the 2012 elections but also in the 2016 elections. In the election of 2012 a Morning Star Venus radiates the Sun-Saturn conjunction which will give much blessing on the king. In the 2016 which is an Evening Star election, Venus once again radiates Saturn, with no threat to the king. So Visual Astrology is indicating that the ruling party will hold the White House for at least 12 years. Presidents may change at any stage but the “family” that wins this current election in 2008 gets a very large prize indeed.

    Kings or Presidents, it is all just power and rivals which is the intrigue of any royal court. Not much has really changed since astrology first emerged between the rivers of the fertile crescent.

  158. Lorrie U. says:

    Saturn conjunct US Moon could also be conceived by many women to be too cold and restrictive and make it difficult for them to embrace her emotionally.

  159. Pat says:

    I always thought conjunctions were difficult.

  160. LJ says:

    Pat, thankyou for that info. That happened in my own front yard, and I missed it. I usually do not watch the local news. Last yr. the Az. Demo. Party sued the elections committe and won. Got to check this out further!

    Lorrie agree with your idea. Women could feel that they could not really grow around her, no matter what she says. Leaving her new baby easily perceived as cold, once women have had time to think about it. She is not nearly as intelligent as Hillary.

  161. sonya says:

    Thanks Crystal and I also love reading your posts. Actually, I love everyone’s posts even if I strongly disagree with some. Because posters on this thread are very intelligent and englighten. Most other blogs, people just rant and hurl insults at one another. So this blog is a great refugee from the storm.

  162. crystal says:

    Sheesh! I didn’t know that Obama would be interviewed on George S’s “This Week” on ABC this morning, so I missed seeing it on TV. However, I was able to catch the full video on ABC’s website. Obama was cool – ever the consummate gentleman, even when he is disagreeing with his detractors. I think he did a good job of rebutting the criticisms leveled against him by the Repugs at the RNC.

  163. Julie W says:

    Rin: I disagree with you. So I will do my own posting on the AIP. If that is a extremist group and separative group, I think there will be an alarming bell for some.

  164. Pat says:

    LJ, go get ‘em! All people NEED to do something in their localities, because the neocons certainly have been and still are.

  165. Pat says:,0,1290251.story

    Palin: wrong woman, wrong message

    Sarah Palin shares nothing but a chromosome with Hillary Clinton. She is Phyllis Schlafly, only younger. – By Gloria Steinem

    Here’s the good news: Women have become so politically powerful that even the anti-feminist right wing — the folks with a headlock on the Republican Party — are trying to appease the gender gap with a first-ever female vice president. We owe this to women — and to many men too — who have picketed, gone on hunger strikes or confronted violence at the polls so women can vote. We owe it to Shirley Chisholm, who first took the “white-male-only” sign off the White House, and to Hillary Rodham Clinton, who hung in there through ridicule and misogyny to win 18 million votes.

    But here is even better news: It won’t work. This isn’t the first time a boss has picked an unqualified woman just because she agrees with him and opposes everything most other women want and need. Feminism has never been about getting a job for one woman. It’s about making life more fair for women everywhere. It’s not about a piece of the existing pie; there are too many of us for that. It’s about baking a new pie.

    More at the link….

  166. Pat says:

    Sarah Palin’s Churches and The Third Wave: New Video Documentary

    Sarah Palin’s churches are actively involved in a resurgent movement that was declared heretical by the Assemblies of God in 1949. This is the same ‘Spiritual Warfare’ movement that was featured in the award winning movie, “Jesus Camp,” which showed young children being trained to do battle for the Lord. At least three of four of Palin’s churches are involved with major organizations and leaders of this movement, which is referred to as The Third Wave of the Holy Spirit or the New Apostolic Reformation. The movement is training a young “Joel’s Army” to take dominion over the United States and the world.

    More at the link…

  167. Pat says:

    2 things:
    Margriet, unless you are a USA citizen you can’t ltegally contribute toObama’s campaign. You can however buy T-shirts, or contribute to a 537 like Move -On.
    A statement by Todd Palin has stuck in my mind.
    “She’s not wired like others.” WHere? When? Was it in the initial rush before the media black out? or a quote from some one who knows him on I have also heard that it is actually he who runs the day to day Govt. business…..that figures given her character!

  168. Pat says:

    Geeez, are there two Pats? That’s not my post to Margriet.

  169. LJ says:

    I have been going after everybody I can since 2006 and thanks for the encouragement. I have lost “friends” and “family” over my views. Been phone banking for Obama sice 1/08. Writing letters, etc. Liked Edwards,Kucinich/Biden first. I think Hillary is strong enough to leave Bill now, but whatever.

    I do believe her and her husband’s membership in AIP could make a difference-that is UnAmerican, and Not Country First. More news about it has to get out about it. She used Gov. funds for that trip to Waisalla Church.
    I heard Todd Palin say the same thing, in the first interviews. He has covered some Gov. work and obediant at home/she brings the children to work/I don”t care about that, but she uses the Gov. office as she pleases.
    Hope you have read Frank Rich, NY Times article,
    and Raging Universe is good today too.
    There is a lot of great info flowing and grateful I get more here.

  170. Rin says:

    The stars are wise, are they not? I am amazed by how certain planetary arrangements isomorphically reappear in global trends.

    Some of you may know of Richard Tarnas, professor of philosophy at the California Institute of Integral Studies and author of ‘Cosmos and Psyche,’ a look on how astrological dynamics have influenced western history’s most outstanding moments. I picked up this book when it came out two years ago, and have found the information invaluable to my study of astrology. One passage in particular stuck out in my head. It concerns with future trends under the Saturn-Uranus-Pluto formation. Keep in mind, this book came out two years ago:

    “Underlying forces tensions between established social authority and newly empowered countercultural impulses tend to be exacerbated. So also the generational tensions between old and young and the political tensions between conservative and progressive.”

    On Majorie Orr’s site, a poster mentioned that the
    “overarching Pluto Uranus square favors change and Obama, while the Saturn Pluto square empowers the conservatives and McCain/Palin.” That’s exactly the same feeling I’m getting.

    I am beginning to think that no matter who wins this election there will follow periods of serious unrest.

  171. Ali says:

    re Palin’s Saturn on US moon – seems like that might indicate a karmic or fateful link between her and the US (hope not), but in the personal realm, I have found the Saturn on someone’s moon to have a chilling and/or irritating effect for the Moon person. I don’t see US “Moon” (women) warming up to that heavy, cold energy.

  172. margriet says:

    a comment from the blog on “By the way this loving Hockey Mom does not use a Car Seat for her infant when she is driving around here. She admitted that herself. What does that tell you.”

  173. Robin says:

    I see the USA Moon as the populace in general, not just women.

    Saturn conjunct Moon brings emotional barriers, with the Moon entity feeling restricted by the critical Saturn. More negative than positive. IMHO.

    I am confident that Palin will blow it in her first interview this week.

  174. LJ says:

    Love it Margriet. We need a half screen with Palin on one side and Britney Spears on the other.

    Ali: sounds right to me, My belief, is that people do not like that coldness/attack type of woman.
    When I hear her voice too, it grates on my nerves. She will “wear” on the public.

    Sorry but Geraldine Feraro{spelling} is wearing on my nerves. Spending her time on Fox News declaring how experienced Palin is. I use to admire her. Birthday 8-26-1935 Newburgh,N.Y.
    Mercury/Venus/Neptune conj. in Virgo. Sun 10 degress apart at 2 degress in Virgo. I hope Saturn throws under the bus soon. Mars/Jupiter conj. in Scorpio, she is mad about Hillary and is now vindictive?? I understand, but it is over.
    Had to get that off my mind, meant no intention to offend anyone. just tired of her.

    I thought too that Pluto in Capricorn would bring us to Revolution?

  175. LJ says:

    I am talking too much–but
    scarier than the car seat is that she is meeting with all the Oil CEO’s.

  176. […] “Hurricane Sarah.” You can read her take on Vice-Presidential candidate Sarah Palin here. Nancy knows of what she speaks when she dissects Palin’s Aquarian character since Nancy was […]

  177. Rin says:

    Robin–Even though I don’t like to wish ill on anyone, from what I’ve seen from Palin, aside her RNC speech, she’s very articulate and can even be charming. That said, judging from Nancy’s predictions and my own tarot reading on Palin’s upcoming interview, Palin may say something out of left field, or at least get people rethinking her. I’m actually very curious to see how these predictions turn out.

  178. Pat C says:

    MSNBC Takes Incendiary Hosts From Anchor Seat

    MSNBC tried a bold experiment this year by putting two politically incendiary hosts, Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews, in the anchor chair to lead the cable news channel’s coverage of the election.

    That experiment appears to be over.

    After months of accusations of political bias and simmering animosity between MSNBC and its parent network NBC, the channel decided over the weekend that the NBC News correspondent and MSNBC host David Gregory would anchor news coverage of the coming debates and election night. Mr. Olbermann and Mr. Matthews will remain as analysts during the coverage.

    More at the link….

  179. Ali says:

    Robin, why are you confident she will blow it at her first real interview? I don’t like her and think she would be terrible for this country, but she seems like a quick study and unless the MSM decides to take her down, she’ll get off easy and everyone will say she proved herself. Hoping you can elaborate because I am worried about this.

    I did find some great news – check out this AARP site that shows the address given by Obama regarding issues related to the elderly and the economy. They gave him a standing ovation and loved him! I haven’t watched the McBoring one yet but I understand he received a polite response but definitely didn’t hit it out of the park like Obama did.

    I think I heard that AARP has 40,000,000 members. That’s a lot of votes, and that age group does vote.

  180. Ali says:

    Sorry, here’s the link to the AARP address by Obama. This is a big deal. And he looks and sounds great.

  181. Ali says:

    Another thought that has occurred to me re Palin’s interview with ABC. Charlie Gibson is doing the interview and I have no confidence in him (or George Stephanopolous) after that outrageous set up they did against Obama in the debate against Hillary. I wish it was someone even remotely ethical was handling that interview. My only hope is that because of his ego he’ll want to be the one who gives her the “gotcha” question that takes her down.

  182. sonya says:

    David Gregory is a Republican hack and his wife is a Republican Lobbyist. His Race to the White House show could be called Everything that is wrong about Obama.

    I just sent out an email to MSNBC because David is also so bias. I didn’t like the MSNBC coverage of the Democratic Convention and all their on air disputes and talking over the speakers about inane things like football and sent an email about my displeasure.

    But replacing Keith and Chris with David is making a bad situation worse. I guess I will switched to PBS and Charlie Rose for debate analysis and only watch Chris, Keith and Rachel shows individually.

    Even Andrea Mitchell is now going around saying that women will flock to Palin’s boobs emasse. I’m just hoping that the balloon suffocation at the Republican Convention is only a temporary condition.

    I would like to see Andrea or Nora Roberts anchor the election coverage.

    And I just sent off a 3 page diatribe to the Obama campaign. I saw his gaffe in the This Week interview. I have a bad feeling it is going to become an ad like Kerry’s windsurfing ad in 2004. I hope I’m wrong.

    No one in the media is touching it yet, but it is a youtube clip already. No views yet.

    Obama makes mistakes when he leans forward in his chair inside of his usually upright patrician seating.

    But I also ran off other bits of suggestions on debates, Palin, cultural wars and economic message.

    Obama’s campaign is very receptive to suggestions. A number of my emails (not all) get a personal response from some one in their communications team.

    And one time, I got a response directly from Obama with his saluation just simply saying Best, Barack. I think I was betting on Obama going with Tim Kaine and suggesting Joe Biden and also talking about how his campaign needs to start the transition team because even when he becomes President it could take up to a year before some of his cabinet members become confirmed.

    It was very interesting reading his conversational style. He thinks in prose alot but with an under current of realism. Maybe that is why he uhmms alot trying to search for common words to get across his points.

  183. Ali says:

    Sonya, what gaffe on This Week? I watched it but didn’t catch any gaffe. Thanks.

  184. sonya says:

    Ali, I really can’t bring myself to write it. But here is the youtube link:

  185. LJ says:

    Rin–Tarot is great

    ABC is miserable, and they treated Obama outrageous.

    Read about the oil meetings, but the comments from Alaskans are priceless. She is lying about the oil deals are they are very unhappy. They guess the McCain campaign will be somewhere in those meetings. Surely, the Obama people know about this, because they are up to no good. Sept 9-12, hope something blows up.

  186. Pat C says:

    Sarah Palin had turbulent first year as mayor of Alaska town

    Her deadly wolf program

    With a disdain for science that alarms wildlife experts, Sarah Palin continues to promote Alaska’s policy to gun down wolves from planes

  187. LJ says:

    Sonya: Thanks

    There are 3 videos- one is longer and makes the comments clearer>>the longer version better play.

  188. Gypsi says:

    I sure hope we see some revelations about Palin soon, because she is carrying a lot of weight and fire in Texas. The gun-toting image – oh my gosh. Granted most of the people now swooning over her would already have voted republican, they are NRA members and are vindictive about Obama, but it is just about puke time. It took one look at her reproductive rights stance to shoot her down with me, but it isn’t a big conversion either…

  189. Ali says:

    Sonya, thanks. (Ouch).

  190. Jerry W says:

    Senator Barack Obama’s self-accepted/ annointed role as the beacon for ‘change’ and all the publicity this has generated seems to bear strong similarities to what RFK represented. At least that is the impression and general consensus of many. The parallels are unmistakeable. Both championed an egalitarian vision of equal rights for the disenfranchised and the down-trodden. Given his lack of experience though, Obama’s meteoric rise to popularity brings to question whether his high profile position serves a higher purpose other than what is obvious. In this unpredictable world of politics, the lines of perception may have been blurred and emotions are gaining the upper hand. One has to wonder where all this excitement for Obama is heading. It evokes a chilling reminder of what happened 40 years ago. Is there a possibility of a similar drama or fate in store for Obama to be played out in the national consciousness of this country? An exact Mars-Pluto square on June 6th, 1968 at 20 degr. Gemini/ 20 Virgo impacting RFK’s natal Uranus (21 Pisces) natal Mercury (19 Sag in the 8th house) square certainly may have in large part contributed to the tragedy that befell RFK. It also heavily activated the US natal Mars-Neptune square.

    The September 15th Full Moon at 22 ’54 Pisces is no less formidable with its opposition/conjunction to Barack Obama’s natal Mars and t square to the US natal Neptune-Mars square once again. Tr. Uranus configures into the uncertain mix – within two degrees of conjunction to the Full Moon. This Pisces Full Moon also forms a quincunx to Obama’s progressed Mercury/Mars conjunction of 22 Libra in his eighth house. One astrologer notes: “When the Moon conjuncts Uranus, that signifies an assassination or attempt at assassination. The Moon strikes the blow, and the presence of Uranus indicates firearms. Uranus governs everything mechanical.” To make sense of all this, I found it helpful to review some expert opinions. First, an excerpt from Ed Tamplin’s website……..


    The US Independence Day (July 4 1776 @ 17.10 LMT Philadelphia) horoscope puts the planet of guns, bullets and violence, Mars, in a tight square with covert and cryptic Neptune. This can certainly be a trigger for cloak and dagger public assassinations. It also adequately describes the covert and shadowy political influence of the gun lobby in US policymaking. On June 6 1968, as transiting Mars moved across the US birth Mars, and transiting Pluto met the US Neptune, Robert Kennedy was slain whilst running for the Democratic nomination. It could be said that the killing was evident in the country’s horoscope.

    The victim’s chart would also have to link with the US Mars-Neptune to make him a target. In Kennedy’s case it was via the planet of sudden surprise in Uranus. Earlier that year Dr Martin Luther King was also assassinated. King’s Mars was joined to the US Mars and therefore also squared the Neptune. And this is where I think the collective psyche fits Obama into this picture – with the Mars and Neptune connection.

    You see it wouldn’t really matter whether one was white, black, blue or brindle, judging from the purely astrological viewpoint. The astrological factor is that Barack Obama’s Mars is on the Neptune and squares the US Mars. That links him into this consciousness. Like Obama, Bernard Hopkins, (the boxer who made the controversial comments), also has his Mars on the US Neptune and therefore squaring its Mars, despite their birth dates differing by four years.

    The most talked about political assassination in US history was the Dallas shooting of John Fitzgerald Kennedy, at 12.30 pm on November 22 1963. That day JFK’s secondary progressed Mars was at 21 Gemini, spot on the US Independence Mars, and the transiting Mars was directly opposite at 20 degrees of Sagittarius. So clearly the Mars Neptune square has dangerous overtones……..


    I, along with many other political astrologers, have conducted extensive research on Presidential deaths and assassinations. My individual conclusions was that they again were linked with the planet Neptune, being in hard harmonic eight aspect to the USA Midheaven in seven out of eight deaths in office. The last time the planet made this aspect was mid 2004 through 2006. In that time ex Presidents Ronald Reagan and Gerald Ford passed on. Critical times nominated in that article were May 2004 and September 2006. In Georgia in May 2004 an attempt was made on George W. Bush’s life when a hand grenade was thrown into a crowd during his address.

    Perhaps more in the nature of Neptune was the British film, “Death Of A President”. The production, eerily planned for general release on January 20 2009, used digital graphics to simulate the assassination of current US President George W. Bush. Although critically acclaimed by some, it was banned throughout the US, and publicly panned across the political spectrum, with Hillary Clinton one of the most outspoken opponents. The film debuted at the Toronto International Film Festival on September 10 2006. Not only did Neptune still aspect the Midheaven of the US horoscope, but on that day Mars was in hard aspect to Neptune. And again, nobody was killed, but the same subject permeated national consciousness. So it doesn’t have to happen, for the spectre to be raised.

    Future aspects to the US horoscope illustrate that from the June Full Moon, throughout August, plus December of 2008 and possibly February of 2009 will conjure the same assassination fears across the US. And the horoscopes of both Barack and Michelle Obama indicate that the possibility is certainly on their minds. Their increased security sees them surrounded by firearms. But the reality is that this all comes with the territory of being a presidential hopeful. And in Clinton’s case she’s had it for years, since being a first lady.

    There’s also a more persistent message coming from this. A message that Bob Dylan so poignantly sung in the lyrics, “how many times”. Surely there is enough blood on Capitol Hill, where legislation could easily stem the flow. But as long as the right to bear arms is held in the same reverence as a right to life, little will change. When a car sales promotion can offer a free gun as an incentive to buy, a semblance of sanity and balance is called for.

    Any life, be it a leader’s or a student’s, is too high a price to pay for a country’s worship of the gun. One would hope that Barack Obama, as a true agent of change, can help make effective gun legislation more than just a Neptunian dream. His horoscope suggests he could have a crucial role to play. But he’s not alone. Hillary may not have Mars, but she does have her Moon and Uranus connected to the Mars-Neptune square (assuming 8 am birth), which may be another reason she’s astrologically drawn into the issue. John McCain has his Venus and Saturn right on the Mars-Neptune square, regardless of time. So we may hear a lot more of the gun debate, until a real dream team finally acts.

    Regarding Obama’s critical Progressed Mercury-Mars conjunction, the following is an excerpt from the Neptune Café Blog website……

    Barack Obama’s chart does show some severe challenges between now and election day, so here’s what’s standing in his way. From the natal chart, his Sun’s only major aspect is the square to Neptune at 8º Scorpio. At its best, the Leo Sun becomes inspired by Neptune’s vibrations, and the leadership role becomes one of inspiring others, leading them to a hopeful future. The downside of this is that it lacks practical experience, the kind of nuts-and-bolts approach that Hillary Clinton and John McCain portray.

    Obama’s Neptune is exactly conjunct the U.S. Scorpio Ascendant, making him a screen for Americans’ highest hopes and dreams. It can work the other way around, meaning that people can become disillusioned by what he represents, or that he may be revealed as something other than how he portrays himself. He was born during John F. Kennedy’s Camelot days, and as we all know now, that youthful, visionary, peace-loving image that the Kennedy family presented became tarnished when his sexual adventures were exposed years later.

    Considering the challenging outer planet transits, probably the most significant is Uranus opposing Obama’s Mars three times. The specific dates are June 12 and July 10, 2008, and March 12, 2009, but collectively they represent a lengthy phase when he comes under attack from his political enemies. Since Mars re[resents his Inner Warrior, a Uranus hit can be particularly damaging to his standing. Transiting Uranus to Mars is a volatile, explosive energy, and anything can happen.

    What makes this particular transit so potentially dangerous is that Obama’s progressed Mercury and Mars are conjunct in his 8th house of death and re-birth. This P2 Mercury-Mars conjunction becomes exact on June 25, but is a secretive force to reckon with during the entire phase that transiting Uranus is in opposition to his natal Mars. The P2 Mercury-Mars conjunction takes place at 22º Libra, so that as transiting Uranus opposes natal Mars at 22º Virgo, it’s simultaneously forming a quincunx to the 8th house progressed conjunction. This confluence of astro-events at 22º will bring intense enemy action, and any prudent astrologer might also be concerned for Obama’s physical safety. In shorthand, this line-up looks like this:

    T Uranus opposes natal Mars, and is quincunx P2 Mercury and P2 Mars in the 8th house of death

    To summarize, Obama’s horoscope is super-charged with extremely fortuitous progressions, especially when considering the connections to the U.S. horoscope. This is offset by a rather dangerous and potentially campaign-collapsing development in his 8th house. If he can stay centered while under attack from both the McCain campaign, he is the favored to win both the Democratic nomination and the general election.

  191. sonya says:

    Ali, ya it hurts! I think one of his campaign aides suggested for him to start seating forward in his chair to be more approachable, less aloof and more engaged. But I don’t think that is his natural comfortable position. I remember Chuck Todd posting about a scene early in the primaries when he came in for a Today interview.

    He said Obama came in and was very charming to the crew as he shook hands and once he got in the chair he sat very calm and patrican like as the production, camera, make up and campaign staff swirled around him. Chuck remembered that he was quietly reading a newspaper, front page, business section, sports than the arts section. Chuck Todd seemed to be unnerved and impressed with Obama’s calmness and regalness.

    Also, I don’t like it when his campaign crammed too much in a short period of time. The pool reporter noted that Obama had two fundraisers in NJ Friday night, got back to the hotel really late, woke up early for some local press, then AARP then flew to Ind for a town hall and interviewed with George.

    And I’m tried of George-what right does he has bringing up the Muslim question over and over again. No one else in mainstream media questions Obama about that anymore.

    I heard that many of the Clinton operatives are upset because their influence has waned dramatically since Obama secured the nomination. Begalia and Carville are the worst. But George has more impact because he has a network behind him.

    I view CBS as totally in the tank for McCain, NBC for Obama and ABC goes back and forth but has more negative coverage of Obama than McCain.

  192. Julie W says:

    We should write George S and ABC about these repeated questions about Barack being a Muslin when he is not! MSNBC are stepping back Olberman and Matthews position due to complaints they are biased! They should also be getting rid of Joe & Buchanan! The GOP has so much power still. We just have to work extra harder. I will be writing ABC though!

  193. Julie W says:

    Why would the GOP Party and Senator McCain nominiate someone for Vice President who once belonged or had affiliations with a group who wants to secede from the United States and whose motto is put Alaskan First! The Alaskan Independence Party (AIP)! And what does that tell you about the Republican Party that Sarah Palin, a heartbeat away from the Presidency believes in her heart, Put Alaska First?

    Will ABC & Gibson ask Palin about her affiliation with the AIP?

  194. Julie W says:

    Jerry W. – Barack Obama does not have a Lack of Experience. He has lots of experience and he also has judgment, wisdom and intelligence and the emotional disposition to be a great president. He has the same life expereince as Abe Lincoln and JFK! AFter all George Bush had expereince too (so-called) and look where that got us!

  195. admin says:

    sonya – What email address do you use to send messages to Obama? I have been sending email through the website and just get a form response right away. My latest idea, which I just sent, is that he should give a speech on the importance of integrity in the public sector. This is what I said:

    An idea for a speech that could give McCain a sock in the jaw and thrill our base and turn the election, certainly change the narrative:

    Senator Obama should give a speech on the importance of INTEGRITY in the public sector. He can talk about:

    When your government LIES to you or hides things from you, it is to MANIPULATE you and get you to do what it wants without the necessary facts. It is also showing incredible DISDAIN AND DISRESPECT for the electorate;

    Talk about BUSH’S LIES and COVERUPS and their ramifications including the lies to get us into war and what that has done to us, our economy, our prestige and power in the world; the coverups and lies about his remaking of the Justice Department into a political hack show; the coverup of Cheney’s oil based energy policy; the coverup about the truth of global warming; etc., etc. The ramifications are brutal and need to be pointed out.

    Talk about McCain CARRYING ON THE BUSH TRADITION OF LYING to the public about Obama, about his personal story, about his tax and economic policy, about his experience (Be specific about the lies and then refute them one by one! Keep repeating the word lie.); point out the ridiculous lie that they keep repeating about Palin having terrific foreign policy experience because Alaska is next to Russia. Point out the truth that she has had no opinion about Iraq by her own admission, not one public statement about anything foreign other than recent speeches written for her.

    Then tell them the truth: about McCain and WHAT HIS POLICIES WILL MEAN for America – economic policies, war polices, endless drilling policies, etc., and SCARE THE BEGEEZUS OUT OF THEM WITH THE TRUTH. Also tell them a McCain administration will carry on the Bush policy of lying to manipulate the people since that is what they are doing now and what Bush has done before them. and look where it has gotten us.

    Bring up the irony, the biggest lie of all, that they pretend to be the party of family values and devout religiosity and yet the Bible talks about you-know-who as the Prince of Lies. This is the ultimate hypocrisy. What about “Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.”

    You need to REDEFINE THE ELECTION as about telling the truth to the American people, seeking them as worthy of the respect and being told the truth, or once again manipulating them and lying to them for political gain. This is the truth and needs to be put out there boldly and aggressively.

  196. Mark says:

    Here’s a good resource:

  197. Julie W says:

    Nancy, that is an excellent Suggestion for the Obama campaign. And I too will send an email echoing your sentiments because that is a very real and pertinent issue which would really show Change!

  198. Pat C says:

    Adventures in Tracking Polls

    Consider the following quote from a New York Times account in October of 1996 highlighting the absurd volatility Gallup was finding:

    ”The latest CNN/USA Today Gallup tracking poll shows the race nationwide is tightening,” Wolf Blitzer, a CNN correspondent, said on the program ”Inside Politics” on Saturday. ”This single-digit lead is half of what it was earlier this month.”
    Appearing on the program, Scott Reed, the Dole campaign manager, said: ”That’s consistent with our internal numbers. And what you’ve seen here in the last 10 days, the race has closed.”
    But by Tuesday, Judy Woodruff, also on ”Inside Politics,” declared that Mr. Clinton’s ”domestic political standing is strong,” announcing that he had opened his largest lead, 25 points, since the poll started at the beginning of September.
    The true height of absurdity was Gallup’s tracking polls in 2000. They were laughable. Alan Abramowitz of Emory recently highlighted one such example: “On October 24 Gallup had Gore ahead of Bush by one point. Three days later, on October 27, they had Bush ahead by 13″.

    In any cycle there are outliers, and the inclusion of those polls in averages will inevitably skew the results. I can point to other examples of this (Pew showed Bush with 16 point lead after the 2004 GOP convention when no one else found a lead larger than 11).

    The true height of absurdity was Gallup’s tracking polls in 2000. They were laughable. Alan Abramowitz of Emory recently highlighted one such example: “On October 24 Gallup had Gore ahead of Bush by one point. Three days later, on October 27, they had Bush ahead by 13″.

    There can be no question that McCain has received a substantial bounce – and it’s cause for concern. But the biggest concern I have right now is that two pollsters with questionable records are driving the narrative. Caution is appropriate in over reading polls right now.

  199. Julie W says:

    Mark: That is scary, it’s called Stealing an Election, Again! Somehow we cannot let that happen — Providence must not let that happen!

  200. Julie W says:

    Carol: the message I wrote to Mark was meant for you regarding the article from Truthout!

  201. LJ says:

    I will try and send big article on the arrest of election official in Az.
    Right now, I am very angry. Palin continues to lie in her speech today. The maid, the jet, a real oil deal, her Gov. transparency, and earmarks from indicted Sen. Ted Stevens. I e-mailed CNN that we want the truth, and called Obama headquarters, and I have just started. It is incredible that both of them can go out everday and lie, even to the stupid maid/cook episode.
    Help to get the truth out, this is rediculous that we have to hear this. America deserves better.

  202. Julie W says:

    LJ: Keep up the good work. I got back 3 messages from the USA Today community thanking me for info on Sarah Palin’s AIP affilliation. I still think that will be one of her undoings along with Ethics Investigation. Mudflats has a good article on her AIP affilliation today.

  203. Fe says:

    Al Giordano has a breakdown of the critical states WITH voter registration calls and efforts:

  204. Mark says:

    Go LJ!!

  205. LJ says:

    Thank you and Julie and it is great you are spreading the word about the AIP. I think it will make a difference. She issued a staement for their convention.
    Great to have all the enthusiasm.

  206. Fe says:


    IN SHORT: “Stop Panicking – Work!”

    Quarantine Time for the Chicken Littles?
    by The Field [Subscribe]
    Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:53:52 AM PDT

    This is not cross-posted from my own blog, The Field. This is a special message for the DKos community, of which I am just one among 160,000+ (correct that! 181,420!) members.

    To the majority of diarists and commenters who are keeping your eyes on the ball – registering voters, donating and raising money, phone banking and going door to door, sharing with us what you’ve experienced doing the hard work, sharpening your arguments, and offering constructive and creative suggestions, fact checks, and analysis – keep it up. We’ve got each other’s backs.

    To the Chicken Littles – those attention-seeking armchairmen, wanna-be campaign managers, and increasingly boring sub-group of Johnny-and-Janey-One-Notes that have begun to join the PUMAs in this year’s absurdity index – I’m hereby officially filing for divorce…

    The Field’s diary :: ::
    No more holding your hands and wiping your tears. From here to November 4, any more response I have to you will be, if at all, to counter and mock you for your sabotage of the best shot to win the White House so far in this century.

    You’ve become an embarrassment to our side, the loose lips that sink ships, the willful spreaders of panic and despair, mere props and morale boosters for the real enemies that have been winding you up…

    I’m going to repeat some very basic truths here:

    Panic and fear never won an election (or anything else).
    We’ve all seen the movies where there is a conflict and the bad guys are coming to destroy the good guys or the innocents and there’s always some idiot who starts screaming hysterically thus gets everyone else massacred. Chicken Littles: that’s you. The heroes and heroines are the ones that are putting their hands over your mouths to protect the larger flock from your panicked instability and its consequences. No team or army or campaign has helped itself without discipline in the troops.

    Just because you’re “worried” or “concerned” (read: panicked) doesn’t mean we’re ever going to join you.

    You know who is not panicked right now? Everybody that is doing enough of the real work – let’s repeat what that is: phone banking, going door to door, registering voters, raising money, etcetera. Yes, those of you that want your panic to be shared are feeling increasingly lonely, and you’re becoming more shrill about it in the process. Not even the recent (and long predicted) GOP convention “bounce” in the polls has caused the rest of us to join you. We’re inoculated. We have our eye on victory and our feet on the ground. We never believed this would be a cakewalk. And we’re used to coming from behind anyway; it’s what we do best. While you’re whining and crying, we enjoy an underdog fight. We had one in the primaries and we’ve never thought we wouldn’t have one in the general. Your attempts to make us share in your panic are and will continue to be a gigantic fail.

    Stupid is as stupid does.
    When you say things like “Obama has to start hitting” all you’re doing is demonstrating that you haven’t paid attention all year long to the repeated steps of absorbing a blow, playing rope-a-dope, and waiting for the moment when the opponent inevitably overshoots to connect with an effective smackdown.

    Every single day Obama, Biden and their staff have been hitting McCain hard. The Obama campaign sends out an average of 10 to 20 email attacks and counterattacks a day to every reporter in the country (if you’re not on the Obama campaign “daily reporters” email list, write to Hari Sevugan or Bill Burton or Tommy Veitor or Nick Shapiro and sign yourself up).

    McCain (and now Palin) can’t open their mouths anywhere or put out a single ad without fact-checks and talking points flying out to confront them. But those emails are just the preliminaries, the setting of the stage, for what again and again has come later: the body blow. Get yourselves on the front end of the attacks and counter-attacks that are consistent with – and not contradictory of – the campaign’s messaging, and write your diaries on those things instead. That would be far more productive than pretending that Obama isn’t on the attack, or trying to convince us who know damn well that he is.

    This morning, for example, the following titles have flooded tens of thousands of media and blogger email boxes:

    6:25 a.m. from Tommy Veitor: “Washington Post (Mallaby): McCain’s Inconvenient Truth”

    6:31 a.m. Daily schedule and talking points from Nick Shapiro: “Obama Today”

    8:58 a.m. from Hari Seguvan: “Rice Offers Less-than-Hearty Palin Endorsement”

    9:55 a.m. from Bill Burton: “RESPONSE TO NEW AND DISHONEST MCCAN AD”

    10:17 a.m. from Bill Burton: “TPM: Obama Campaign: New McCain Ad Is ‘Lie’”

    11:00 a.m. from Hari Seguvan: “I Supported the Bridge to Nowhere and All I Got Was This Lousy T-Shirt”

    11:18 a.m. from Hari Seguvan: “Can’t Have It Your Way: McCain Bridge Claim a ‘Whopper’”
    Six of those seven emails in the past five hours were attacks.

    Now, if you have creative and constructive ideas as to how such attacks could be made even better, that’s certainly what diaries ought to be for. When Nate Silver offered a critique of Obama’s ads today,he offered creative suggestions for two new ones. That’s how constructive criticism is done. A criticism without a well-developed, detailed and fleshed-out suggestion for what could be done instead is just a child’s tantrum and a signal that it’s time to tuck the brat in for his daily nap.

    When you title your diaries or write in them or comment on them that “Obama has to start” doing something that he’s already doing, can you see how most of us are losing, or have already lost, all respect for you?

    In many ways, those that are real trolls typing from some Rovian basement somewhere at least are getting their agenda accomplished somewhat: enlisting you as their very own useful idiots and unwitting tools. Got that? They get a grudging respect that you’re not getting, except from them, as they egg you on. Congratulations for becoming their pawns.

    I salute Kos and his front-pagers for not falling into this crap in the way some other big and proclaimed Democratic blogs have done. And nothing I’ve said here about the Chicken Littles should be taken as a critique of having allowed them the free speech to post here, because it also provides the rest of us the free speech to push back. The center-column continues to be fantastic. And it’s up to us, the rank and file users, to implement the quarantine of those that want to spread their harmful contagion to the rest of us.

    Remember that many of the media you might like – whether MSNBC or Air America or The Huffington Post or many other blogs – often go for the sensational personality driven stuff to up ratings and hit counts, without thinking or acting strategically. They – or the latest AP story – should never be your guides as to what makes for an effective argument.

    But at this point, if you’re among those that can’t get your shit together, have no sense of message discipline, or just want your misery to have company, consider yourself quarantined.

    You won’t get a word in edgewise on my Internet home, and as a member of this community if I bother with you at all I’ll be mocking and countering your self-indulgent bullshit here as often as I want along with many, many others who, in recent days, seem, like me, ready to part company with, marginalize and isolate the weak links in this chain.

    Feel lonely in your panic now? Keep it up. You don’t know yet how much more lonely you could make yourselves still… as lonely as a PUMA.

  207. Julie W says:

    That diary is so right on. Did we think the Forces of Greed & Materialsim would go down with out a Fight? Did we think they would fight fairly? Our strentgh is in our faith, in truth and in our light. When you go into a dark room you turn on the light so you can see. We must by our light dispel the lies and myths of the GOP, however and no matter what it takes, when we are tired, we still go on. For there is no higher religion than truth, especially when there is a Group committed to doing just that, truth telling.

  208. Carol says:

    I noted Palin’s qoute in the coverage pof fannie/freedie takeover because it made no sense and showed that she didn’t have a clue of how fannie and freddie worked.

    Fannie Mae was a govertment agency from 1938-1968 and was taken off the goverment balance sheet (made private) in 1968 and Freedie Mac was created in 1970 to compete with Fannie.

    Okay, most people don’t totaly understand this, but most people aren’t running for vp/p.

    It looks like maybe her lack of understanding will be discussed.

  209. Carol says:

    sorry for typo’s

  210. clymela says:

    For anyone having trouble with understanding Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the evil mischief that has brought about their collapse I refer you to Catherine Austin Smith at Wise woman who swims with the sharks and comes back to us with the info we need to be conscious in these perilous times.
    I am very sad today with the info over the weekend about Fannie/Freddie-as a wise one said “the debts are socialized and the profits are privatized”. We are screwed and this has been planned. The other thing is in the newspaper that Poland is admitting that there is a secret US military installation there where prisoners are taken to be tortured and then moved to other locations. I don’t think that this info is disconnected to the Fannie/Freddie report. the takeover is almost complete now-we are slaves now.
    As I have said more than once the Nazis started out as a christian movement-no coincidence that that old Nazi suporter Prescott Bush’s little grandson should be in power. In the last few years I have shaken my head more than once as certain Nazi techniques for containment of the public consciousness have shown up. At first I chided myself for having watched too many B movies from the 1940’s now i think that i just was ready to percieve the patterns because i was so fascinated by WWII history/Israeli history that i read more on these subjects in my 20’s and 30’s than would seem normal.
    Well i am lit up today: mercury 15 Gemini and uranus 22 Gemini-ooh wee with the uranus/saturn opposition in the heavens right now and progressed moon square natal moon 11 Leo and npluto 12 Leo. On the last how fascinating that the world should so profoundly reflect my own inner conflict. As above so below??

  211. Fe says:

    Alaska senator to retain oversight of Palin probe

    Alaska Sen. French to retain oversight of Palin ‘troopergate’ probe

    Sep 08, 2008 14:12 EST

    A Republican effort has failed to unseat the Alaska state senator overseeing the ethics investigation into whether Gov. Sarah Palin abused her power when she dismissed the state’s public safety commissioner.

    Democratic Sen. Hollis French was accused of manipulating the probe for political effect on the national and state elections. Republican Rep. John Coghill last week asked the Alaska Legislative Council to discuss replacing French as the probe’s project director.

    On Monday, the head of the Legislative Council turned down his request. Democratic Sen. Kim Elton responded that he is sure that partisan politics can be kept out of the probe.

    Source: AP News

  212. Fe says:

    POT CALLS KETTLE – Well, you know what I mean…(:-)

    LEE’S SUMMIT, Mo. – John McCain and Sarah Palin criticized Democrat Barack Obama over the amount of money he has requested for his home state of Illinois, even though Alaska under Palin’s leadership has asked Washington for 10 times more money per citizen for pet projects.

    At a rally in swing state Missouri, the Republican presidential nominee and his running mate accused Obama of requesting nearly $1 billion in earmarks for his state during his time as a senator. The new line of attack came after Obama made his first direct criticism of Palin over the weekend, using the topic of earmarks, which are special projects that lawmakers try to get for their districts and constituents.

    “Just the other day our opponent brought up earmarks — and frankly I was surprised that he would even raise the subject at all,” Palin said. “I thought he wouldn’t want to go there.”

    Obama hasn’t asked for any earmarks this year. Last year, he asked for $311 million worth, about $25 for every Illinois resident. Alaska asked this year for earmarks totaling $198 million, about $295 for every Alaska citizen.

    Palin has cut back on pork project requests, but under her administration, Alaska is still and by far the largest per-capita consumer of federal pet-project spending.

    The governor did reject plans to build the notorious “Bridge to Nowhere” after Congress had cut off its financing.

    McCain and Palin were presented as a maverick team in a campaign ad released Monday that played up their reputation for taking on entrenched interests. The ad credits Palin with stopping the bridge without mentioning she once appeared to support it.

    President Bush, who came to Washington as a former Texas governor without national legislative experience, called the Alaska governor “an inspired pick” by McCain.

    “She’s had executive experience, and that’s what it takes to be a capable person in here in Washington, D.C., in the executive branch,” he said in a Fox News interview to be shown Tuesday. In Rome, Vice President Dick Cheney also sought to deflect Democratic criticism that Palin, a former small-town mayor with less than two years in the governor’s office, lacks the gravity to be vice president.

    “Each administration is different,” he said. “And there’s no reason why Sarah Palin can’t be a successful vice president in a McCain administration.” He said her convention speech was superb.

    In attacking Obama on Monday, McCain said the Illinois senator’s earmark total over the years amounts to “almost a million dollars for every single day he was in the United States Senate.”

    For his part, McCain doesn’t seek pork projects and vows to do away with them as president.

    While speaking to voters in Indiana over the weekend, Obama ridiculed the idea of McCain and Palin presenting themselves as reformers, and suggested Palin was distorting her own record on earmarks.

    “I know the governor of Alaska has been saying she’s change, and that’s great,” Obama said Saturday. “She’s a skillful politician. But, you know, when you’ve been taking all these earmarks when it’s convenient, and then suddenly you’re the champion anti-earmark person, that’s not change. Come on! I mean, words mean something, you can’t just make stuff up.”

  213. sonya says:


    I send my emails using the Obama campaign site. I too get the automated thank you reply. But sometimes, I receive another email from the Obama’s Communication team and as stated on one occassion I received a reply directly from Obama.

    I believe it was from Obama because the email was responding very directly to my email and I have never received a response to my email stated that it was from Obama himself.

    I also had a while back a good back and forth exchange with Jonathan Alter from Newsweek regarding Obama and charges of him being arrogant plus concern about Obama’s press coverage. Mr. Alter has known Obama for the last ten years.

    I don’t know if there is a trick to get a response.

  214. LJ says:

    Interesting posts here esp. about ABC interview
    and her church. CNN is doing a good job on reporting about her church.
    Called the Alaska Democrat Party and the Achorage Daily News is fair and trying to report everything. Of course, they are working to keep the truth out there.
    Clymela, I agree, I think a lot of this is planned, and have heard about Polish prisons for awhile. I have to think Peace for the Universe, before my thoughts run wild.

  215. Julie W says:

    Sarah Palin: A Trojan Moose Concealing Four More Years of George Bush

    byArianna Huffington

    Did Sarah Palin wrongfully push to have her ex-brother-in law fired? Was she really against the “Bridge to Nowhere?” Did she really sell Alaska’s plane on eBay, or just list it on eBay? Did she actually have any substantial duties commanding the Alaska National Guard?

    The correct answer to all these questions is: who cares? Which isn’t to say these aren’t valid questions, or that Palin and the McCain camp aren’t playing it fast, loose, and coy with each of them. The point is that Palin, and the circus she’s brought to town, are simply a bountiful collection of small lies deliberately designed to distract the country from one big truth: the havoc that George Bush and the Republican Party have wrought, and that John McCain is committed to continuing.
    Every second of this campaign not spent talking about the Republican Party’s record, and John McCain’s role in that record, is a victory for John McCain.
    Her critics like to say that Palin hasn’t accomplished anything. I disagree: in the space of ten days she’s succeeded in distracting the entire country from the horrific Bush record — and McCain’s complicity in it. My friends, that’s accomplishment we can believe in.
    Just look at the problem John McCain faced. George Bush has a disastrous record, and the country knows it. John McCain — the current one, not the one who vanished eight years ago — has no major disagreements with George Bush (and I’m sorry, wanting to fire Donald Rumsfeld a bit sooner doesn’t qualify) and wants to continue his incredibly unpopular policies for another four years. The solution? Enter Sarah Palin, a Trojan Moose carrying four more years of disaster.
    And the plan has worked beautifully. Just look at what’s being discussed just 57 days before the election. Is it the highest unemployment rate in five years? The bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? The suicide bombing yesterday in Iraq that killed six people and wounded 54 — in the same market where last month a bomb killed 28 people and wounded 72? That the political reconciliation that was supposedly the point of “the surge” is nowhere near happening? That Iraq’s Shiite government is now rounding up the American-backed Sunni leaders of the Awakening? That the reason 8,000 soldiers may be leaving Iraq soon is so more can be deployed to Afghanistan where the Taliban is steadily retaking the country?
    No. We’re talking about whether Sarah Palin was or was not a good mayor, whether she was or was not a good mother, whether her skirts are too short and her zingers too sarcastic.
    Contrary to what we’re hearing 24/7 in the media, the next few weeks are not a test of Sarah Palin. The next few weeks are a test of Barack Obama.
    He needs to dramatically redirect this election back to a discussion over the issues that really matter — the issues that will impact the future of this country. A presidential campaign is a battle and this is the time for Obama to show some commander-in-chief skills. I’m not talking about calling Palin out for lying about his record and demeaning community organizing. I’m talking about grabbing the political debate by the throat. The country is already angry about what’s happened over the last seven-plus years — he shouldn’t be afraid to give voice to that anger. Obama has spent years adopting a non-threatening persona; but he can’t let his fear that appearing like an “angry Black man” (a stereotype not-too-subtly fueled by Fox News) will turn off swing voters keep him from channeling the disgust and outrage felt by so many voters –swing and otherwise.

    McCain’s team, in an effort to distract, is going to keep doing what they’re doing — diverting voters and the media with a tantalizing combination of personal trivia and small lies. It doesn’t matter if they’re caught in them — in fact, all the better. Because they know there is no way in hell they can win if this election is about the big truth of the Bush years.

    McCain’s real running mate is George Bush and the failed policies of the Republican Party. Even if they are dressed up in a skirt, lipstick, and Tina Fey glasses.

  216. Julie W says:

    I love that writing by Arianna Huffington, but if you look at the last line, it goes right back to Sarah Palin — skirt, lipstick and Tina Fey Glasses, so I guess we cannot avoid talking about her!

  217. Fe says:


    Here’s the text of the voiceover:

    “Narrator: They call themselves Mavericks. Whoa. Truth is, they’re anything but. John McCain is hardly a Maverick when seven of his top campaign advisers are Washington Lobbyists. He’s no maverick when he votes with Bush 90% of the time. And Sarah Palin’s no maverick either. She was for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it. Politicians lying about their records? You don’t call that maverick. You call it more of the same.”

  218. Lorrie U. says:

    “If he can stay centered while under attack from both the McCain campaign, he is the favored to win both the Democratic nomination and the general election.”

    I think the Obama campaign is doing a very good job staying positive and centered and on message. Sometimes it’s the little constant trickle of truth which destroys the lies. It’s interesting that Neptune goes direct in Aquarius just two days before the election–maybe it will bring clarity and dissolve the confusion.

    Neptune and Uranus entered Aquarius in 2000 which heralds a new civilization being born based on enlightened humanitarianism and on a science using new technology and new forms of energy. Maybe we needed the atrocities of the past eight years to awaken many who remained unaware so that they could make the difference this time!

    Fe, great post from Al Fiordano at Kos!
    “IN SHORT: “Stop Panicking – Work!” Great stuff. As the old saying goes, people get the government they deserve. If you do nothing, you get nothing.

  219. Lorrie U. says:

    James Carville brilliantly cuts to the chase!

    “By every economic measure known to man, Democratic Presidents have out-performed Republican Presidents. And by the way if you believe the economy was better under George W Bush than Bill Clinton you’ve got a real clear choice here.

    “If you think what America needs is a tax cut for people making over half-a-million dollars a year then vote for McCain. If you think middle-class people are struggling – that their incomes are going down and they need help – vote for Obama. It’s a very simple choice”.

    – CNN’s Late Edition

  220. Lorrie U. says:
    Systemic decay

    “In the world of organic systems, where there is systemic decay one does not expect solutions to arise from within the system itself. As common-sensible as this idea seems, somehow it is a little harder to fathom when the subject is our own governmental, financial and civic institutions; our attachment to which prevents us from copping a perspective. But universal forces don’t care how attached we are. The laws of stasis-maintenance (Saturn), breakthrough (Uranus) and renewal (Pluto) still apply.’

    “It is Uranus that governs change; a word now being as ubiquitously and meaninglessly touted in American discourse as the word democracy was just before the invasion of Iraq. But true Uranian change is the stuff of revolutions: whether bloody or bloodless, whether military or cultural, these cannot derive from the institutions already in place. They are by definition threatening to the powers-that-be.’

    “When thinking about the opposition building above, we need to remember that Uranus is more powerful than Saturn. In any contest between them, Uranus will win. And if Uranian change does not and cannot come from the status quo, where does it come from? As history unerringly reminds us, it comes from The People themselves.”

  221. Lorrie U. says:

    By: Hilzoy
    Public Service Announcement

    It occurred to me today that voter registration deadlines are going to start coming up soon, and that that being the case, it might be a good idea for someone to post them. And since I am the change I’ve been waiting for, I thought: why not me? After all, some of my readers might inexplicably have failed to register to vote, and others might feel like going out and doing voter registration but not have gotten around to it yet. So, below the fold, I have posted the deadlines for all the states and DC. I put links to the actual calendars; do check them, since while I did try to be careful, I’d hate for some typo of mine to disenfranchise anyone.

    The Obama and McCain campaigns can probably set you up to do voter registration. On the Obama site, if you don’t want to do it in your area, click here, then click the state you’re interested in, and you will be able to find its various campaign offices. (Useful for people like me, who live in safe states and within driving distance of swing states.)

    [UPDATE: On closer inspection, it’s only really easy to find your local office in some states. All have lots of info on events, etc., but not all have the useful ‘Find your local office’ button on the right, under ‘Take Action’. The ones with the useful button seem to be swing states, as one would expect. END UPDATE.]

    Continue reading…

  222. LJ says:

    this is long but some great points
    Obama presidency- Hubris!
    Mccain Sympathy?
    Got this from stars over washington plus
    Jill Biden 6-5-1951 Hammonton, N.J.

  223. LJ says:

    Too much reading, but this tells of Palin’s regard for animals and conservasion. Pro-life for humans but not animals!

  224. Carol (Aquariusmoon) says:

    I have created a Voter Defense Wiki!

  225. Pat C says:

    Awesome Calro!

    Minneapolis council members call for investigation of RNC police

  226. Pat C says:

    Sarah Palin’s record on environment is abysmal

  227. crystal says:

    Good advice from Al Giordano, and some tough love too. I’m hitting the bricks for Obama!

  228. Ali says:

    LJ (last night post), yes her voice bugs me too, like Minnie Mouse on crack. The thought of listening to McPain’s and Pain, er, Palin’s voices for 4 years is a nightmare.

    @Sonya (last night post), you said “Ali, ya it hurts! I think one of his campaign aides suggested for him to start seating forward in his chair to be more approachable, less aloof and more engaged. But I don’t think that is his natural comfortable position.”

    it’s interesting you mention that, I thought the same thing watching the interviews both with O’Reilly and Little George S. The leaning forwards takes a bit off his look of ease and confidence, and makes him look too eager/defensive.

    I’ve been avoiding the MSM websites (Druge, Halperin and the other regurgitators). Got a lot calmer as always reading Al Giordano (Fe posted his Daily Kos post in her comment last night) and contacted someone in my neighborhood who’s organizing registering voters to start doing some actual work besides contributing.

    Also, read, there’s a great post on today’s polls. I read the post and all the comments. It gets back to fact-based reality and away from the media-induced horserace that makes me feel nervous and depressed.

    Nancy, how do things look on the dates of the debates? I would love to know what you think about Obama’s chart on those dates, and also the VP debate.

    As always, thanks Nancy and everyone for sane, thoughtful analysis and comments. This is a good place.

  229. admin says:

    Ali – I will take another look at the debates soon. If I remember, Obama looked pretty good but I have to take another peak.

    The latest ad:

  230. admin says:

    LJ – Great find on Jill Biden!! thanks.

  231. Ali says:

    Nancy, thanks for the link to the ad. Very, very good ad.

    Looking forward to your thoughts on the debates.

    What I’m picking at at 538 site that I mentioned in earlier post, is that McCain’s bounce is mostly making (so far) the red states redder, but not moving things much in the swing states.

  232. Pat C says:

    WASILLA – The Matanuska-Susitna area is the methamphetamine capital of Alaska, according to Alaska State Troopers.
    In 2003, authorities uncovered nine meth labs in the area. Last year, the number increased to 42, said Kyle Young, an investigator with the troopers who works with the Mat-Su narcotics team.
    Officials with the Office of Children’s Services in Wasilla said the problem affects children. The office receives about 40 calls a month from people reporting abuse or neglect involving some aspect of the highly addictive drug.
    In late February, the Mat-Su narcotics unit arrested a couple at their Willow home. Michelle Motta said for years she tried to warn authorities that her three young nieces lived in the midst of a methamphetamine operation run by their parents, Phillip Dean and Laura Jackson. Alaska State Troopers reported finding a “large active meth lab” in a detached garage shop. The house was a frigid mess, …..

  233. LJ says:

    Love this one too: McCains scandals need more press too.

    Pat C. thanks for the PI article, had read bits and pieces, but this article was very concise, her environmental issues are terrifying.

    Nancy looking froward to any info on the debates and this blog is great. We all get great info and keeps us energized. A lot of positive vibes here.

  234. sonya says:


    Watching the national polls is useless right now. Hillary was leading in the national polls during the primary until April and Obama had already won the nomination with those 11 straight victories.

    I can’t wait to see some fresh state polls. I’ve read that Az, McCain’s home state, has him up only 5%.

    I agree with Chuck Todd when he was on Chris Mathews today that NV, CO, OHIO, Mich, NH and Virg are the states that will decide the elections.

    Did anyone notice that Chuck Todd had Obama leading in the electoral college map on the CM show but when he was on David Gregory’s Race for the White, it had McCain with 275 electoral votes and Obama 264.

    I thought I was seeing things until Chuck mentioned that he drew up the map as requested by Gregory based on the 2004 election.

    I was so angry at the propoganda bs, I had to switched the channel. David is going to suck taking over the election coverage for the debates. MSNBC is best to be avoided on those nights.

    I really believe MSNBC has cowed down because of McCain’s campaign complaint letter. Because it doesn’t make programming sense to have the same person say one thing on one show and the exact opposite on the next show. Especially with back to back shows.

    And I watched Rachel but I didn’t enjoy her debut tonight. Making fun of her religion and family will get us no where. There are many black Pentacostal churches where they believe in speaking in tongues. Rachel just feeds into the Republican attack of liberal media elites.

    And Arianna Huffington should stop mocking Palin, her lifestyle and family in her article titles. It makes women look very hypocritical.

    I wasn’t a fan of her Democratic Convention spa thing either. Just like I wasn’t a fan of the Cindy McCain’s $300,000 outfit.

    If we say we are for women’s choice and middle class folks. Then all of our thoughts and actions to be in line with those ideals.

    I don’t see the usefullness of proclaiming spa treatments is needed to evaluate the spirit of delegates and DNC head honchos when people are struggling to gain two coins to rub together and pay for their basic needs.

    It’s all too Marie Antionette for me.

  235. Jerry W says:

    Hi Julie W,

    You wrote: “Barack Obama does not have a Lack of Experience. He has lots of experience and he also has judgment, wisdom and intelligence and the emotional disposition to be a great president…….”

    I can see this an emotionally charged issue for you. If you are really intent on an unbiased view of the man, an impartial study of Obama that encompasses his complex childhood (which to a large degree motivated him to seek a career in politics; the driving force behind his political ambitions), his zeal and determination to win at all costs which includes all the blemishes or short-falls in character that you and I would consider not so flattering (based on interviews with former associates and close friends), I think you might have the to go outside the American media coverage to derive a more complete perspective.

    I would strongly urge you to listen to the recently aired BBC special documentary series presentation ‘The Presidential Contenders’. Program One, a 23 minute segment focuses in on Barack Obama. Program Two, a 22 minute segment covers John McCain. The BBC is noted for its impartiality. If you have a lot of emotional investment in your estimation of Obama, this excellent documentary could prove to be slightly challenging. Here’s the URL link……..

  236. LJ says:

    Sorry if this has been posted earlier, so much info that I have lost track.

    Palin addressing the AIP

  237. Jerry W says:

    From the Earth Aquarius News website”

    “Jupiter & Pluto Stations (Sept. 7 – 8) = U.S. Gov’t Bailout of Mortgage Giants

    U.S. Gov’t To Bailout Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac: This is SO CLEARLY dynamic astrology in action that it almost doesn’t need to be mentioned. Jupiter — largest planet in the solar system, representing LARGE-SCALE FORCES — in Capricorn (control of the system) made a station or stopping in the sky yesterday (Sept. 7) as the U.S. Treasury announced this radical decision. Today (Sept. 8), as the news is being assimilated and the DJIA rockets upward (in another illusory-deceptive directional drive aimed at hoodwinking the public into thinking our economy and banking institutions are okay when we are swimming in disastrous waters to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars world-wide), Pluto — symbolizing underground, mysterious and secretive moves by the Plutocracy-SuperRich — also makes a station. Now both Jupiter and Pluto gradually start moving forward in the zodiac — simultaneously. And Vesta (ruling the investment community) is only 2 days away from stopping its direct motion and turning retrograde.”

    Why The Fannie-Freddie Bailout Will Fail
    By Martin D. Weiss, Ph.D.

    08/09/08 “ICH” – — With yesterday’s announcement of the most massive federal bailout of all time, it’s now official: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the two largest mortgage lenders on Earth, are bankrupt.

    Some Washington bigwigs and bureaucrats will inevitably try to spin it. They’ll avoid the “b” word with vengeance. They’ll push the “c” word (conservatorship) with passion. And in the newspeak of 21st century bailouts, they’ll tell you “it all depends on what the definition of solvency is.”

    The truth: Without their accounting smoke and mirrors, Fannie and Freddie have no capital. The government is seizing control of their operations. Their chief executives are getting fired. Common shareholders will be virtually wiped out. Preferred shareholders will get pennies. If that’s not wholesale bankruptcy, what is?

    Some Wall Street pundits and pros will also try to twist the facts to their own liking. They’ll treat the bailout like long-awaited manna from heaven. They’ll declare that the “credit crisis is now behind us.” They may even jump in to buy select financial stocks. And then they’ll try to persuade you to do the same.

    The reality: This was the same pitch we heard in August of last year when the world’s central banks made a coordinated attempt to rescue credit markets with massive injections of fresh cash. It was also the same pitch we heard in March when the Fed bailed out Bear Stearns. But each time, the crisis got progressively worse. Each time, investors lost fortunes.

    Together, both Washington and Wall Street are trying to persuade you that, “no matter what, the government will save us from financial disaster.” But the real lessons already learned from these events are another matter entirely:


  238. Jerry W says:

    The previous entry posted about an hour ago to Julie W (8:34 pm) contained a few typos. Hopefully the reader will overlook them and not find it too distracting.

  239. Jerry W says:

    Julie W,

    On second thought, the typo might have been unconscious on my part. I hope I wasn’t being presumptuous. It might have been more honest of me to express it this way….. “Perhaps this may be an emotionally charged issue for you, or maybe not…….”

  240. Jerry W says:

    Ray Merriman has an interesting take on the short term aspects leading up to the September 15th Full Moon in relation to the upcoming Saturn-Uranus opposition…………..

    “…… On Monday, Pluto will change direction, from retrograde to direct, while on the same day Jupiter will form a waxing trine aspect to Saturn. Last week I stated that, “Whereas Saturn restricts and represses, Jupiter expands and offers hope. The combination is said to be a moderation of both forces. Matters won’t get too exaggerated because Saturn is present. At the same time, matters won’t get too depressed either, because Jupiter is present” But on retrospect, that seems not to have been the case. The square of Mars to Jupiter seemed more dominant, as the mood of investors at the end of last week was more panic-oriented than controlled. In fact, it was very similar to the sentiment on January 25 when Jupiter made its first trine in earth signs to Saturn. You may remember how stock markets around the world fell sharply into that period too, and then began a very sizeable rally. But that rally lasted just four months before another decline began that continues even now.

    On Tuesday, September 9, Venus will form a waning square to Jupiter, and two days later it conjuncts Mars. This represents more exaggeration and potential for panic and hysteria, for the very next day the Sun will be in opposition to Uranus. As much as Jupiter exaggerates, Uranus surprises and breaks through barriers of support and resistance with more drama than most would expect. In fact, the entire period from September 3 through September 12 is important, for the Sun is “translating” the forthcoming Saturn-Uranus opposition. That is, on September 3 it conjunct Saturn, and on September 12, it will be in opposition to Uranus. The entire period is known as a “translation” of the Sun to the Saturn-Uranus opposition. As we have seen all year, when faster moving planets make a “translation” to the Saturn-Uranus opposition, there have been very strong sell-offs in the stock indices of the world. This one has already proven to be likewise. At the end of this week, we could see a reversal in many financial markets, for the Sun-Uranus opposition of September 12 is followed by the Full Moon of the next Monday. The entire set up is like an explosion or an earthquake, or perhaps a hurricane, literally or figuratively. It is a time suggesting high drama and unbelievable or unexpected happenings.”

  241. BA says:


    I received several comments regarding last week’s column, which showed that in the three prior cases of elections nearby to a Saturn-Uranus conjunction or opposition, Republicans won the presidency. One reader pointed out that this was hardly enough cases to justify a strong correlation, which of course is true. But there have been several columns written over the past two months which showed several other correlations between this year’s election, Mundane and Financial Astrology, and historical themes and outcomes related to both. This was just one of several studies that led me to forecast a McCain victory in November. However, no one should assume I am entirely convinced that all the indicators favor a McCain election. I am far from confident due to the principles of Saturn and Uranus. Together, they represent the “unpredictable,” and plenty of surprises not only into the election, but even 20 months afterwards. For instance, the phasing of the Saturn-Pluto cycle (it is waning from 2001-2020) has a solid correlation to increasing the Federal deficit and debt, as well as increasing taxes, in the USA. Although such an outcome is possible under a John McCain administration, he is running on the theme that he will not increase taxes or spending, whereas Obama is forthright that he will do both. Yes, I realize that he says he will increase taxes on only the top 2% of the population, but if I recall correctly, the top 2% of income earners pay 39% of the total income taxes collected. And as far as spending, I am aware that Obama refers to his plans as an “investment into our future.” Nevertheless, it will involve very ambitious spending programs. I am not arguing about the “right” or “wrong” of either platform. I am merely relating the correlation of each to my understanding of the geocosmic cycles and their historical correlation to cycles in human activity. When Saturn moves from opposition to conjunction to Pluto, taxes and spending (and consequently, debt) increases. Which candidate or party is likely to fit that cycle in 2008? This is a very important cyclical correlation that favors Obama winning.

    However, there are other mundane and geocosmic cycles that favor McCain winning. Transiting Saturn and Uranus, for instance, will be in hard aspect (T-Square) to the USA Mars, planet of war, over the next two years. This implies an increase of military activity. Which candidate or party is most likely to reflect that cycle? Of course Obama may be forced to fight if elected. But it is not his platform that speaks most loudly to this possibility. It is McCain and the Republican platform that do.

    Yet, when looking at the chart on Election Day (November 4, 2008), we get a glimpse of the mood of the electorate as they go into the voting booth. Yes, they want change, with the Saturn-Uranus opposition in effect. But on that day, the Moon begins in Capricorn. I think this means voters will also place a premium value on Capricorn themes, like security and experience, at the top of the ticket. Hence my “forecast” (not “prediction”) for a McCain-Palin victory.

  242. Julie W says:

    Jerry W. – Thank God that the Creator gave us a mind to think and reflect and for some of us to subject ourselves to meditation and wisdom. There are some egos who come into incarnation with a divine purpose which has nothing to do with seemingly outer influences. That is why King David as a young man was picked by Saul to become king over his older brothers. That is why the young Arthur was able to unleash Excalibur and become king when other more older, stronger men could not. We have lost our spirituality sadly and so many people focus on the outer man and forget about the real entity which cannot be gaged by the normal eye. Some souls are older and wiser and are light bearers. The thrid-eye can see the radiance of the aura while the physical eyes cannot. The ability to Inspire millions of people is one sign of a light bearer and strong aura. Am I emotional about it, Yeah! Especially, when Barack has to jump through hoops while McCain is not asked anything of.

  243. Julie W says:

    Sonya, did you write MSNBC and let them know about how you felt re: 2004 map request from David when Todd knows what he is doing and this is 2008.

  244. Fe says:


    From today’s Talking Points Memo:

    Meme Taking Hold?

    We’ve now had a week of blaring headlines and one-liners about Sarah Palin as the mavericky, pork-busting reformer from Alaska. But we seem to be witnessing the first stirrings of a backlash and a dawning realization that the ‘Sarah Palin’ we’ve heard so much about over the last few days is a fraud of truly comical dimensions.

    The McCain camp has made her signature issue shutting down the Bridge to Nowhere. But as The New Republic put it today that’s just “a naked lie.” And pretty much the same thing has been written today in Newsweek, the Washington Post, the AP, the Wall Street Journal. Yesterday even Fox’s Chris Wallace called out Rick Davis on it. (Do send more examples when you find them.)

    On earmarks she’s an even bigger crock. On the trail with McCain they’re telling everyone that she’s some kind of earmark slayer when actually, when she was mayor and governor, in both offices, she requested and got more earmarks than virtually any city or state in the country.

    Think about that. On the stump, not a single word that comes out of her mouth — or not a single word that the McCain folks put in her mouth — is anything but a lie. I know that sounds like hyperbole. But just go down the list. None of them bear out.

  245. Julie W says:

    McCain and the GOP still want to play got-cha politics — Old-time Party Politics, which most Americans are weary and growing tired of. The GOP lead us into a Pretend and Fake war, the Iraq invasion. The Real war was and is in Afghanistan where Bin Ladin is hiding today. That is not change you can believe in. Most Americans want Truth and Authenticity. We don’t want to be led into a fake war for oil! We don’t want our young men and women dying for oil and a fake war that should have never been authorized. John McCain likes to say he is good on national security, yet he voted Yes to authorize the fake war the Iraq War. What we need desperately today is more honesty by our politicians in this nation instead of the politics of Got-cha, Lies and the tearing down of one’s opponent through dishonesty. The debate should be about the real issues, not pretend wars or personal attacks and or empty and false slogans because it does nothing for the day to day lives of American people.

    The Republican operatives have belittled and berated Barack Obama as just speeches, however, Barack has over 20 years of experience in public service, plus a Natural Talent to organize and get things done, as evidenced by the successful running of his Campaign. Barack Obama has an innate judgment as evidenced by his speaking out against the Iraq war when it was not popular because he had the intelligence and common sense to know that the real was was in Afghanistan not Iraq. Bin Ladin did and does not live in Iraq. Barack Obama has the ability to inspire people to unite in a common cause to bring about the Necessary Changes we need today. Because if we do not unite for change, for true democracy, together we will all go down with the ship and be united anyway but in a negative way and not a positive way.

    We definitely need a change in the way our politicians campaign which as to date, tears down one’s opponent through lies and dishonesty which only tears the country down and puts a bad taste in our mouths, though each candidate has the right to point out true policy differences. We should demand honesty and integrity from our politicians and stop letting them lead us down a yellow brick road of illusion, misstatements, lies and dirty political maneuvering!

    And lastly we must not listen to those who refuse to understand the changing of the old order, and the awakening of humanity to the new possibilities. We need a complete purification of the political and economical arenas which would be of the greatest value in bringing back Americas greatness and strength.

  246. Carol (Aquariusmoon) says:

    Nancy, is this what you are looking for regarding Sarah Palin?

    They charged for rape kits!

  247. Carol (Aquariusmoon) says:

    Actually, while the Moon is in Capricorn, it’s void until 7pm Eastern Time when it goes into Aquarius. So the yearning for stability may not find a clear outlet. Thankfully Mercury is direct, so maybe no recounts this time.

  248. Julie W says:

    There is a Diary up at Daily Kos that Andrew Sullivan has been fired also, a long-time Obama supporter and Palin hater.

  249. LJ says:

    Washington Post and Huff Post has great article exposing Palin’s home and family expenses pd. for by the state of Alaska. Easy to be a working mother, when the state picks up a lot of the expenses

  250. Pat C says:

    US Mortgage Giants Nationalized

    Ron Blackwell of the AFL-CIO says housing prices falling faster than during Great Depression

  251. Pat C says:

    TRNN journalists charged with unlawful assembly

    Documentary report by Real News team arrested along with 818 people during the RNC

  252. LJ says:

    More rumors?
    Julie W. thanks for the news on Andrew Sullivan

  253. admin says:

    This is from an email I received, with some alterations by me because the person wishes to remain anonymous:

    I’ve been in contact with Bill Herbst recently. He’s in very bad shape, both physically and financially. I’ve made what contributions I can financially sustain but I can only do so much . I’m writing you to ask if there is some way that you can discretely put the word out to your friends and colleagues in the astrological community to make what donations they can to help keep him afloat. He feels terrible about having to ask for, and subsist on, these donations, but his resources are being stretched to the limit. He did not ask me to make this request. I am doing it of my own volition out of deep concern for him. He is attempting to get his astrological practice back online but as you know, this kind of work is feast or famine and unpredictable. Making the daunting task of earning a living even more daunting are the ever present health challenges of chronic pain and a serious diabetic disorder and rapid weight gain. He is struggling and, in his own words, “very, very scared” about the implications of the continued downward spiral in his physical condition. Again, if it is possible for you to spread the word to anyone who might be willing and able to help, this could just make the difference between staying afloat and eventual destitution. His website contains updates on his condition.

  254. Jean says:

    With respect to polling, there is really only one website to check every day:
    These are two astrophysicists who like to play with numbers. Using the median rather than averages or means, they have very accurately predicted what direction voters are going, particularly in states where it is too close to call. To quote the NY Times, they developed ” a new method of analysis on the statistics of polls that has been accepted for publication in the journal Mathematical and Computer Modeling. The authors, J. Richard Gott III, a professor at Princeton, and Wes Colley, a researcher at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, are not political scientists. They are astrophysicists. And one of the tasks of scientists is to clarify the apparent complexity of the universe by using the language of mathematics.

    Here’s what they discovered: in swing states, the median result of all the polls conducted in the weeks prior to an election is an especially effective predictor of which candidate will win that election — even in states where the polls consistently fall within the margin of error.

    This method provides a far more accurate assessment of public opinion than most people’s politically informed commentary. In the 2004 presidential election between John Kerry and George W. Bush, many political analysts said the race was too close to call. But when Professor Gott and Dr. Colley applied the median method in 2004, they correctly predicted the winner in 49 states, missing only Hawaii.”

    They update their polling data every day. After the Democratic convention their computations showed that Obama was leading 295 to 243. While his lead has been weakened, the latest polling data still has him leading 275 to 263. Ohio has been going back and forth between Obama and McCain, which went back to McCain after the latest spate of polling data.

  255. clymela says:

    Nancy, I would like to send my modest contribution to Bob Herbst. Please post the info of where/how to send it. I love his work and need to know if I can use the info on his site. wish I had the resources to really help. Do you know if he has applied for social Security/SSI? I now that Medicare does not kick in until 2 1/2 years of determinied disability but the sooner he can start the process the better.

  256. admin says:

    Ali – That is great news!!

    What I’m picking at at 538 site that I mentioned in earlier post, is that McCain’s bounce is mostly making (so far) the red states redder, but not moving things much in the swing states.

  257. Pat C says:

    At a rally today, Sen. McCain again asserted that Sen. Obama has requested nearly a billion in earmarks. In fact, the Illinois senator requested $311 million last year, according to the Associated Press, and none this year. In comparison, Gov. Palin has requested $750 million in her two years as governor — which the AP says is the largest per-capita request in the nation.

  258. will says:

    Sarah Palin is getting slammed on The View right now. They ran a grainy video with her calling the Iraq war and the Alaskan Pipeline “God’s will” Incredible. She is being skinned alive. Tune in or watch it on-line

  259. Pat C says:

    Sarah Palin’s Record on Alaska Native and Tribal Issues

  260. Pat C says:

    Pastors Nationwide Will Endorse McCain On Sunday, Sept. 28

    On Sunday, September 28th dozens of pastors nationwide will make a presidential endorsement from the pulpit. This deliberate defiance of IRS Rules is being organized by the Alliance Defense Fund with the stated purpose of creating a court challenge to the 54 year old ban.
    How big will this be? According to the ADF at least 36 church leaders in at least 20 states have signed on to participate.
    Americans United for Separation of Church and State describes the ADF as:
    a theocracy-minded legal operation founded by right-wing religious broadcasters
    As a result, there is little doubt that the result of this stunt will be dozens of endorsements for McCain around the nation delivered during church services, during sermons to the captive audience that is the congregation.

    More at the link..

  261. admin says:

    clymela – I don’t have his web address. You can probably google it. I was just passing along this note from a concerned supporter of his. Thank you for responding.

  262. Professor says:

    Nancy, are they any hints in Obama’s horoscope that his popularity could return? The crisis you predicted for Palin may have occurred today (travel expense scandal). What do you foresee?

  263. Lorrie U. says:

    I asked Danny Sheridan, America’s leading sports analyst and handicapper for his latest odds on the presidential race. (The sports guys know politics too!) Although the latest Washington Post/ABC News poll has it as a dead heat, Danny sees Obama as a 2-1 favorite. Between the oddsmakers and the pollsters I’ll take the former EVERY time.

  264. Lorrie U. says:

    Have a Clinton supporter who insisted she would not vote this year rather than vote for Obama. Today she greeted me with “I’m voting for Obama!” Thanks to Sarah Palin.

  265. Lorrie U. says:

    Republican Claims Million $ War Chest Against Kucinich

    Dear Friends,

    A few days ago, Republican Party operatives circulated literature in the neighborhoods of Cleveland claiming that my Republican opponent, the former GOP county chairman, “will have a million dollar war chest” to try to defeat me in November. That’s an outcome that Republican party leaders boast will show “how the mighty Cuyahoga County GOP slew the dragon of liberalism in 2008.”

    I need your help now to withstand this corporate neo-conservative onslaught.

    I want to return to Congress to continue my work for peace, for a not-for-profit health care system, for jobs for all, for education for all, and for sustainable energy systems. I want to restore our Constitutional rights!

    At this moment, it is not possible to withstand a million dollar attack by these neo-conservatives. I need your help. Please contribute at now.

  266. Crowdance says:

    Bill Herbst’s website:
    Book a session there.

    Checks with the note “recovery fund donation: can go to:

    Bill Herbst
    822 1st Street
    Florence OR 97439-9346

  267. Ali says:

    Lorrie, thank you. Your 2 posts above (12:46 & 12:48) are very heartening.

  268. Pat C says:

    Lieberman has been kicked out of the weekly Democratic Senate Luncheon.

  269. Jean says:

    You can make a contribution to Bill Herbst on his website,

    He is a good astrologer and a great guy.

  270. LJ says:

    Wash. Post article great and the Alaskan paper carried the same story. Wrote a letter to the editor of Alaskan paper that I was tired of the half truths that Palin was circulating.

    Nancy will make a contribution and hope using the State Funds is one of the sticking scandals.

  271. Carol (Aquariusmoon) says:

    Copied from Nancy’s “Barack Obama” entry in June:

    By September 2008, progressed Venus will move to conjunct progressed Uranus (28Leo07) waxing in strength for about a year, and by April 2009, it will move to square the Midheaven (28Scorpio53) also for about a year. This series will begin to diminish in strength after February 2010, but a new grouping of strong Venus progressions and transits will begin by December 2010 and continue through at least October 2013, suggesting sustained popularity and charisma

  272. Carol (Aquariusmoon) says:

    Bill Herbst:

  273. BA says:

    >>Have a Clinton supporter who insisted she would not vote this year rather than vote for Obama. Today she greeted me with “I’m voting for Obama!” Thanks to Sarah Palin.

    Yes, she has flipped me also.

    Still think H. should be VP, could then effectively fight P.

  274. crystal says:

    The Repugs are trying to blacklist Oprah for not having Palin on her show before the election. They are asking Repug women to boycott her show, and her magazine. We’ve been down this road before. I remember when so many came out against her when she decided to back Obama, and were saying that her ratings would plunge, and that would be the end of her. I don’t know if that has happened, but Oprah is a very resilient woman, and has survived hostile attacks before, and she’s still laughing all the way to the bank, much to their dismay.

  275. Andre says:

    Just saw Bill Maher on CNN say that he wasn’t against Palin because she’s from a small town, but because she has a small mind.

  276. Lorrie U. says:

    The long-term effect of the Palin factor is less certain. Much depends on what all of us choose to do now.

    There are about ten likely electoral vote scenarios that could develop in this race. In eight of them, Obama is the winner. The underlying desire for change, and the overall disgust with the Bush-Republican administration of the last eight years, is just as real as ever. The website employs a sophisticated projection model to predict electoral outcomes, and it still gives 61.2% odds that Obama will win in November.

    But this week’s polling numbers have certainly given a wakeup call to lots of Progressives who might have become complacent in their views that Obama’s victory was a lock.

    What did we think – that the gang who has run this country for the last eight years would simply roll over and surrender without a fight? These guys are very good at running elections and they will bite and claw and gouge eyes to win.

    Luckily, we don’t have to just sit by and watch from the sidelines, and hope that someone else makes the right call or runs the right TV spots.

    There are three steps that every one of us can take that will actually impact directly the ultimate outcome of this race.

    see link…

  277. Lorrie U. says:
    “While the American media is entertaining the American public with the on-going political three ringer, very serious storms are building, and have been building, in the Middle East. Putin, three times more a national leader than George Bush, has bided his time and patiently awaited his enemy, the United States to attack Russia. Both Washington and Moscow were fully aware of the pending Georgian attack on South Ossetia and both did nothing but wait. Bush saw it as another nail in Putin’s political coffin and Putin saw it for an excellent opportunity of destroying America’s credibility as an ally. The terrified flight of the much-vaunted American equipped and trained Georgian army and the ease with which the Russians were able to occupy any part of Georgia they wanted did not go unnoticed in the NATO countries and aside from the erratic Poles, what we saw in Brussels was embarrassed silence when Bush screamed for action. Our lunatic VP, Cheney, is determined to force NATO to take in Georgia but it is known inside the Beltway that this will never happen. And while Americans listen to badly written speeches and platitudes booming out over the tube, the spectre of possible war goes completely ignored. And around the White House, growingly alarmed Republican and Neocons are wondering if they can pull off another Florida vote stealing gambit again. That’s the trouble with Republicans; they live in the past. Their motto is ‘Look Backward,’ and their watchword is: ‘That which has never been, cannot be.”

  278. Fe says:

    This is from Eric about today’s astrology:

    “Dear Friend and Reader:

    Has this been a weird afternoon? The sky is going off like popcorn. I am posting the chart 9if it’s not there, give us five minutes] for starting this little note. The Moon is conjunct jupiter. It’s also trine Saturn. It’s also square Venus and about to square Mars and Mercury. All of this happens now, as in all afternoon and all evening. I just thought this was a chart to share. If you see things or have questions about it, drop them into the comment section below.

    The setup points to a series of emotional situations that may seem exaggerated of out of proportion. Today is definitely a turning point. But remember, you have a lot of influence over what kind of turn…”

    I’ve been watching the polls go up and down. Some with 20+ for McCain, others showing neck and neck.

    Also, I’ve been watching AP to see what kind of tricks the Republicans have in media misinformation, since AP is in McCain’s pocket. Its ripe. They’re trying to show Obama on defense, his campaign struggling.

    And then I found THIS gem at Talking Points Memo:

    New McCain Ad Falsely Suggests Obama Wants Kids To Learn “About Sex Before Learning To Read”
    By Greg Sargent – September 9, 2008, 6:22PM
    The McCain campaign is up with a new ad attacking Obama on education that makes some rather strong insinuations about sex:

    There’s a lot to chew on here. But we want to focus on one particularly pernicious aspect of it.

    The ad shows a dreamy-looking Obama as it says:
    Obama’s one accomplishment? Legislation to teach “comprehensive sex education” to kindergartners. Learning about sex before learning to read?

    In a final moment of subtly, the ad says Obama is “wrong for your family.”

    According to the McCain campaign’s own email, the sex ed claim is based on Obama’s support for a bill, in the Illinois state legislature, that said:

    “Each class or course in comprehensive sex education offered in any of grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV.”
    As you can see, the McCain ad says that Obama was the one who pushed the “comprehensive sex education” measure. The Obama campaign has pointed out that the bill would simply add instruction on disease prevention to already existing Illinois sex-ed standards. But the McCain campaign cheerfully turned this into Obama’s support for “learning about sex before learning to read.”

    And “civil” and “honorable” McCain approved that message.

    Late Update: Obama spokesperson Bill Burton’s response directly questions McCain’s honor:

    “It is shameful and downright perverse for the McCain campaign to use a bill that was written to protect young children from sexual predators as a recycled and discredited political attack against a father of two young girls – a position that his friend Mitt Romney also holds. Last week, John McCain told Time magazine he couldn’t define what honor was. Now we know why.”

    Looks like the gloves are off and the culture war has begun. 527s on both sides are rising.

  279. sonya says:

    Oprah said in Iowa when she campaigned for Obama that she would not have any of the presidential canididates on her show including Obama.

    Oprah said she hated having politicans on because most of them just recite their stump speeches and convey nothing real. And that since she has endorsed Obama, it would not be fair to anyone to have her interview them.

    McCain thru Drudge is trying to start a cultural war and they know a majority of Oprah’s viewers are white women. So they are trying to turn white women away from Oprah.

    Oprah ratings did drop a tad over the summer but the sho was in reruns. The media said when Oprah announced her endsorment of Obama that it would have no effects on voters. Her endsorsement brought in 1 mil voters for Obama.

  280. Pat C says:

    Ten Ways the GOP Is Now Stealing the Ohio Vote

    Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman, The Free Press: “The McCain/Palin GOP is already in the process of stealing the Ohio vote, as was done in 2004. Among those at the center of the GOP strategy is Bush family computer operative Michael Connell, who programmed the key vote-counting mechanisms that were used to give George W. Bush his second term.”

  281. margriet says:

    BA, I was also sorry he didn’t choose Hillary as a VP. That might have been his moment of worst judgement.
    Any chance she’d still join?
    Any precedent of a candidate swapping vp candidates after the nomination?

  282. Pat C says:

    “That might have been his moment of worst judgement.”


  283. sonya says:

    Pat, I wouldn’t worry about Ohio. Ted Strickland is gov there and he is a Democrat. If you want to worry- look to FL. It may be 2000 all over again.

    Second the real problem in all states are the high record of people who voted in 2004 who have been “accidently” knocked off the rolls. So if you didn’t vote in this year’s primary, check your registration.

    Margriette, Obama hasn’t so far yet to make a bad judgement. As for your question: McGovern replaced Eagleton because of his mental health issues.

    Biden so far doesn’t have any mental health or health issues and has been doing a fantastic job on the campaign trail.

  284. BA says:

    >>BA, I was also sorry he didn’t choose Hillary as a VP. That might have been his moment of worst judgement.
    Any chance she’d still join?
    Any precedent of a candidate swapping vp candidates after the nomination?

    The precedent thing seems to have been answered by Sonya.

    However, I just don’t think he likes Hilary. I understand they don’t quite get along astrologically.

    Really too bad… it was a slam dunk.

  285. dominmatrix says:

    For another perspective on the astrology of Obama/Palin/McCain/Biden check out

  286. Pat C says:

    George Bush with big hair
    The hustling Evangelical with ethics issues and a chip on her shoulder could be our first woman president.

    By Garrison Keillor

    So the Republicans have decided to run against themselves. The bums have tiptoed out the back door and circled around to the front and started yelling, “Throw the bums out!” They’ve been running Washington like a well-oiled machine to the point of inviting lobbyists into the back rooms to write the legislation, and now they are anti-establishment reformers dedicated to delivering us from themselves. And Mayor Giuliani is an advocate for small-town America. Bravo.

    They are coming out for Small Efficient Government the very week that the feds are taking over Fannie and Freddie, those old cash cows, and in the course of a weekend 20 or 50 (or pick a number) billion go floating out the Treasury door. Hello? Do you see us out here? We are not fruit flies, we are voters, we can read and write, we didn’t just fall off the coal truck.

    More at the link….

  287. sonya says:

    BA, I don’t think either of them likes each other well so that would make it difficult to govern with each other. Plus, Bill did not want to open up his foundation and financial records which would give the Repubs enough reason to dump all their opposition research on Bill/Hill.

    Also people kept forgetting swing voters don’t like Hillary plus the Republican Party HATES Hillary. So if Obama picked Hillary- it would have fired up the Republican base even more than what Palin has done.

    And even though I know Hillary can beat Palin in a VP debate. Hillary when she is attacking looks mean whereas Palin when she attacks Obama looks like Mrs. Mom with a smile.

    I could imagine VP debate titles with Old cougar goes after young fawn. It would not be pretty having a cat fight between two women.

    In the seventies it was Phyllis Scaeffer against Gloria Steinman. The results protrayed Gloria as out of touch, liberal elite. And the same tag would have dogged Hillary.

    Hillary has great political experience but she never comes across as warm and fuzzy at home baking cookies with Chelsea. As oppose to the novelty of Palin. She is very inexperience but is so telegenic on tv. Her voice reminds me of that pregnant sheriff from the movie Fargo.

    And Palin is doing a good job giving a snow job of a performance.

  288. Fe says:

    NEWSWEEK Bombshell: Palin Reprimanded for Emotion Child Abuse

  289. LJ says:

    I am entering late today, did phone banking for Obama with independants and it was positive.
    More of them are going Obama.
    Pat, thanks for Salon.
    Didn’t you love Obama’s phrase today’put lipstick on a pig” and it is still a pig.” That doesn’t change the pig.
    Guess we will discuss Hillary forever, and she has gotten better all the time. My opinion only, I have forgotten about Hillary, for now, except she really can help Obama. But it was wise not to choose her, because Bill’s Foundation and Library has accepted at least $1 million donation, from Dubai. He would have had to disclose those donations, which came from dubious people and countries. If she had been nominated for Pres., I think he would have thought he could get around that. Can’t remember his name, but Bill broke up a business deal and made 20 Million from that., during her campaign. He has been romantically linked with the Canadian woman in its Gov. “Stroham”?, got to fact check again. But he has so many connections that would cause a problem. He grew up poor, and I do not blame him, but that is why I do not trust the Clinton’s anymore. They all do this, but make money however, whatever, but stay out of our Gov. They all seem to get into shady deals, so can”t pass judgement on Bill. He is charming, but risky. He and Obama will meet Thurs., so hope they make a good strategy together. McCain has
    dubious connections too, but gets no media attention. That is just my opinion, as to why Hillary would have been a problem. And Bill is pro and con for her reputation.

    The Putin/Hugo Chavez friendship right now is very dangerous too and the media is talking about Palin.

    I got n e-mail from to sign a petition stating that Palin’s parading her son around and going to Iraq, was dangerous for the other troops, and they were sending that petition to Sec. Gates for her to stop it–interesting.

  290. Fe says:


    Newsweek Burning Up the Trooper-Gate Case
    The latest out of Trooper-gate.

    Remember that Palin’s Trooper-Gate scandal revolves around her apparent efforts to use her power as governor to have her ex-brother-in-law, an Alaska state trooper, fired from his job. The trooper, Michael Wooten, was in a long-lasting and bitter divorce and custody battle with Palin’s sister. (Once the state Commissioner of Public Safety, Wooten’s ultimate boss, wouldn’t do the deed, she fired him.)

    Now it comes out that before she even became governor — and was in a position to abuse her power of office — Palin had to be warned by the judge in the divorce case that her harassment of Wooten amounted to “a form of child abuse.”

    If her behavior was so abusive and over-the-line before she became governor (this was in 2005), can there really be much doubt she would have used all her power of office to get him fired?

  291. LJ says:

    This came from tpm too about Pakistans new leader. Right now, it seems trouble never stops!

    Fe, glad you posted that, I just read it and LOVE it. Looks like she has always been “pushy”

    Nancy, Mercury goes Retro on 9-24-08, what happens to these investigations?

  292. Richard says:

    Re Huffington Post this morning I’m really happy and excited to see that Obama (I think finally pissed off enough with McRove to drop thepolitically suicidal “above the fray” veneer) is finally hitting back hard and attacking these miscreants in the direct, earthy, no holds barred way that most ‘Mericans can finally relate to on a visceral level. PLEASE Keep up the good work, and when they’re down pleading for mercy, hit ‘em again!

  293. Jerry W says:

    Julie W,

    Sorry. I would have to intensely disagree with you on that particular notion of yours. Based on the compilation of interviews by the BBC documentary I shared in my previous post: ‘The Presidential Contenders’ and other various sources; if one has the courage to stay neutral, sheering away to the bare-bone qualities of the the man, the overwhelming impression one comes away with is that he is charismatic no doubt, and a savvy politician with good oratory skills and instincts; but certainly not and I would strongly emphasize the word ‘not’ – that of an enlightened being or on some level even remotely spiritual in the altruistic sense. That notion may be more a degree of wishful thinking and dare I say self-projection. He is politically astute I’ll grant you that, but he is also self-absorbed and ambitious. About those last two adjectives used – self-absorbed and ambitious; aren’t we all to one degree or another?

    For a penetrating look at Barack Obama from an astrological point of view that delineates these traits and helps to explain why he has been so influential in the current presidential race, I would strongly suggest reading a fascinating, excellent article from the Astrobarry website that I had provided earlier, entitled:

    Who is He? Obama’s Sun-Neptune Square
    July 20, ’08

    Barack Obama makes a lot of people nervous… and not just because of his race.

    Feeding off the perception of a lack of concrete information about the man, many Obama detractors are panicked by what they claim not to know about him.

    Is he a closet corporate lobbyist? Is he secretly a Muslim? Is he our worst fear come to life—a ‘Manchurian candidate’ double-agent sent by The Terrorists to infiltrate the American way of life? (Admit it: The whole Obama/Osama similarity is a bit eerie.)

    Yet, for every seemingly paranoid read on Barack Obama, there’s its matching glorification of him as Our Greatest Hope, sent by the angels to save the US from its neocon insider-enemies. He is clever and calmly spoken. He is young, handsome and optimistic. Hell, he’s even kind of cool. And thanks to how truly special and amazing he is, Obama finds himself on the receiving end of so many fawning devotees that his stadium-sized rallies have been likened to rock concerts… and he, the pop-idol god who makes ‘em faint on the spot. Now that’s some persuasive power.

    Of course, Obama is neither our worst fear nor our greatest hope. He’s merely a man. But if we were to examine the astrology behind Obama’s uncanny ability to appear as what we collectively most yearn for or bristle at, we wouldn’t have to look very far before finding one huge obvious clue—his Leo Sun squares Neptune.


  294. Morague says:

    Jerry W,

    How do you square this with the Palin phenomena? Seriously, no one, including John McCain, knows very much about her at all. We have has 18 months to get to know Obama & yet, the rightwing nuts are all gaga over Palin.

    What this tells me is that the hesitation about Obama is not that people don’t know him, but that he is black. McCain nominating Palin just gave a heck of a lot of people an excuse to not vote for him. Many of these people would never admit to racial discrimination & now they don’t have to. How else can you explain the Hillary voters who will vote for Mccain/palin dispite the fact that this ticket represents everything they & Hillary have worked against for the past 30 years? if it is not racial then what? She certainly is not more ‘experienced’. more know, more progressive, more for women’s rights. The only thing she has going for her are that she is white, female & farther right than Bush!

    People are afraid to vote for Obama because they don’t know him, but Palin is A-ok? A name most americans had never even heard before last week? Sorry, I don’t think so.

  295. Jerry W says:

    Hi Morague,

    If you are asking for my personal opinion, my answer is quite simple. Perhaps not something you might expect. To me, politics is fragmentary, a superficial answer to a much deeper problem. Legislation will never change our consciousness. Change has to come from within. It’s because we prefer not to look at our difficulties with a little more insght and thoughtfulness, earnestly setting out to discover the true causes to racial, social inequality, wars, hatred etc that we continue to slide into a deeper and deeper morass. Politics will never solve our problems primarily because the problems stem from within. The outer world we live in is simply a projection of our inward state of mind. We depend on politicians for so-called ‘change’ not realizing how absurd that premise is. If in one moment you realized how much you are divesting yourself of your personal power in looking towards a ‘system’, an outward authority for solutions, to see how terribly superficial and nonsensical that is; you would drop it in a heart-beat.

  296. Julie W says:

    Pat C: That is a scary article in Truth Out! I do not know what we can do about our voting problems. When the Democratic Congress brings up solutions for this problem, the Republican senators and congressman vote no to any ideas of fixing this problem. I wonder why

  297. Julie W says:

    Obama Book Rockets Up Charts

    “The new campaign book from Sen. Barack Obama, Change We Can Believe In, is on Amazon’s bestseller list the first day it’s available.

    The book outlines Obama’s “vision for change in our country, and lays out in detail Barack’s plans to fix our economy, make health care affordable for all, achieve energy independence and keep America secure. It also contains the full text of seven of Barack’s landmark speeches.”

    From Politicalwire.

    This is good news and will help get Barack’s message out there.

  298. lunagardener says:

    As the US freaks out about a Mcain/Pallin administration so does the rest of the world.

  299. Julie W says:

    In a cleverly pre-emptive strike, McCain is falsely accusing Obama of wanting to teach children sex education because they knew Newsweek will be soon coming out with an article on Sarah Palin! “Judge Warned Palin About Emotional Child Abuse!”

  300. Pat C says:

    Morague, this is all about controlling the new cycles. The cynical tactic is nothing about what is important to the US and the world but about false hype. Palin is a tictic to win, period.

    Julie, people must fight the voting machines in their States. Each State has to rid themselves of computerized machines and run their own elections. It’s not as big as dealing with it on a national level. Go after your State officials, including your Senators and Reps.

  301. Pat C says:

    Oops, that should have been “news cycle”.

  302. Julie W says:

    Interesting article on Joe Scarborough that has been kept quiet by the MSM!

  303. Pat C says:

    Very interesting article on Scarborough Julie.



    Voters also are pushing for a national law to restore ballot integrity. Unfortunately, senators Diane Feinstein, a Democrat, and Robert Bennett, a Republican, have responded with a “reform” bill that is as fraudulent as the machines themselves. Instead of requiring a paper record of every vote, their bill bows to the manufacturers of electronic systems, allowing one computer to verify the honesty of another, with no human eyes permitted to see the actual votes. The Feinstein-Bennett bill does harm to America’s electoral system, for it poses as reform without delivering it, essentially giving federal sanction to the inherent fraud of paperless electronic voting machines.

    More at the link…

  304. Julie W says:

    Pat: Scarborough is so ready to smear other people, Barack is a Muslin, Ted Kennedy’s unfortunate mishap years ago, Rev. Wright and yet his past has skeletons! I do not feel sorry about emailing this article around, well may be a little.

  305. Pat C says:

    It’s a great article. I put it on Salon’s blog.

    Here is what Obama was saying rather than what they say he was saying.

    There will be more like this so that they can distract and control the news cycle. Everyone should write to the cable stations who are doing the work of the McCain campaign.

  306. Julie W says:

    I know whatever Barack says becomes big news and yet McCain’s slips are not reported on like he fell in love with this country when he was captured.

  307. Pat C says:

    Newly released video shows how easily e-voting machines can be hacked, pried open

  308. Peter Novak says:

    Does anyone have a birthtime for Michael Chertoff?

  309. Jerry W says:

    A power struggle may be underway in North Korea? Tr. Uranus’s close conjunction to the Sept. 15th Full Moon will be square/ sesquisquare to NK’s natal Moon/Jupiter (19/20 Sag) and natal Mars semi-square (4 Scorpio).

    Succession Plan Uncertain In North Korea After Leader’s Reported Stroke
    By Choe Sang-Hun
    September 10, 2008

    SEOUL: U.S. and South Korean intelligence reports that the North Korean leader, Kim Jong Il, recently suffered a stroke raise issues that the North’s neighbors have long feared. If Kim is incapacitated or dies, who will take over one of the world’s most isolated and unpredictable regimes, now armed with nuclear weapons? And what will happen to a nation that has long looked on Kim as a godlike figure?

    South Korean lawmakers told reporters on Wednesday after a briefing by the National Intelligence Service that Kim suffered a cerebral hemorrhage in mid-August and underwent surgery, but has recovered enough to speak and walk.

    Kim Sung Ho, the South’s spy chief, told the National Assembly’s Intelligence Committee that this was not the first time that Kim had been operated on for a circulation problem. There was no sign of unrest in the North, the lawmakers were told.

    A spokeswoman for the National Intelligence Service said in an interview later Wednesday, “We have intelligence reports that after intensive treatments, his condition has considerably improved.” She spoke on condition of anonymity, in keeping with agency policy.

    In Pyongyang on Wednesday, the Japanese news agency Kyodo quoted North Korea’s No. 2 leader, Kim Yong Nam, as saying that there was “no problem” with Kim Jong Il.

    “We see such reports as not only worthless, but rather as a conspiracy plot,” another senior North Korean official, Song Il Ho, told Kyodo.

    Kim, 66, was conspicuously absent from a parade on Tuesday to mark the North’s 60th anniversary.

    American officials said on Tuesday that Kim was seriously ill and was believed to have suffered a stroke weeks ago. Although both U.S. and South Korean officials said it did not appear that Kim’s death was imminent, the episode prompted analysts to consider the prospects of a chaotic power struggle in the Communist dynasty should Kim not be able to resume his firm grip on power.

    “If the report about a stroke is true, we can now say a power struggle has already begun in Pyongyang,” said Lee Byong Chul, senior fellow at the Institute for Peace and Cooperation, a nonpartisan policy advisory body based in Seoul. Kim’s demise could “recreate the scenes of the ancient Korean palace.”

    Like many ancient Korean kings, Kim has not groomed a strong heir-apparent, Lee said, and factions in Pyongyang supporting different sons of Kim or dreaming of their own power could “spill blood.”

    Kim took power after his father, North Korea’s founder, Kim Il Sung, died of heart failure in 1994. Long before that, he had been groomed as a successor and was running key state affairs.

    In contrast, none of his three known sons has emerged as an obvious candidate to take the dynasty into a third generation. If Kim had intended to choose one but now finds his time running out, analysts said Wednesday that the most likely scenario would be power elites in Pyongyang forming a collective leadership.

    “The majority view now is that it will be a collective leadership, with some member of the Kim family as a figurehead,” said Andrei Lankov, a North Korea expert at Kookmin University in Seoul. “But situations can easily go in an unpredictable direction. Many top generals and some civilian leaders will probably be overcome by their own power lust, so serious infighting with unpredictable results is also likely.”


  310. LJ says:

    great astro news too, always love his pictures.

  311. crystal says:

    I think the astrobarry article is inherently dishonest, as the writer paints a distorted picture of the facts. He is similar to those who use vague words like “unknown” and “fear” which equate with “Muslim” and “black”, and is the real reason why they think Obama is unelectable. Even worse, he doesn’t have a white wife to give him a pass into the White House. I’m looking forward to an article on Sarah Palin who is the true unknown, and who should really inspire fear because of some of her policies, but this may be a taboo subject for astrobarry.

  312. Pat C says:

    McCainsLobbyists.Com–Interactive Display Makes Corruption Vividly Visible by: Paul Rosenberg;jsessionid=67AE7FC03B1139B9486E8606436A6318?diaryId=8117

  313. LJ says:

    More links and Credit to NANCY
    Wow, this so great that Nancy is getting the well deserved recognition and credit.

  314. Fe says:


    Thanks for the link to raging universe. LOVE the graphics and the writing!!!

  315. Julie W says:

    This McCain ad uses wolves to portray Obama stalking Palin! These people (GOP) are vicious!

  316. Whitney says:


    You’ve got to read this, from Andrew Sullivan:

    “So far, he has let us all down. My guess is he will continue to do so. And that decision, for my part, ends whatever respect I once had for him. On core moral issues, where this man knew what the right thing was, and had to pick between good and evil, he chose evil….. McCain has demonstrated in the last two months that he does not have the character to be president of the United States. And that is why it is more important than ever to ensure that Barack Obama is the next president. The alternative is now unthinkable. And McCain – no one else – has proved it.”

  317. Ali says:

    GREAT comments from Barack on the absurd “Lipstick on a Pig” brou-haha:

    Also here’s a link to the Al Giordano response:

  318. admin says:

    Finally – a new thread is up.

  319. elle says:

    Election Astrology

    Someone mentioned an end to evangelical fervor with pluto leaving sag. I’ve read pluto in capricorn can be indicative of a return to a collective conservative mentality. Any thoughts re this?

    Also interesting the connections between mcains and obamas charts. I am going on memory now but sun mars conjunt in leo and venus mars in virgo and both obama and palin have neptune squares natally and transiting pluto square/oppose venus by transit. Any comments or links re their transits and interconnections?

    I would like to see pluto in capricorn as the birth of a new political power. Rather than focusing on britney spears or american idol, people could be interested in their community and creating the government that works for the people rather than politicians. Less flash, celebrity worship and mindless ideology and more substance. The development of personal power as an individual and in society (maybe that’s aquarius)

    But I fear this is a neptune wish rather than an impending reality.

  320. Jerry W says:

    Hi Crystal,

    You wrote: “I think the astrobarry article is inherently dishonest, as the writer paints a distorted picture of the facts. He is similar to those who use vague words like “unknown” and “fear” which equate with “Muslim” and “black”, and is the real reason why they think Obama is unelectable.”

    Now my dear, which ‘facts’ are you referring to? You haven’t mentioned any. From my perspective, it appears the writer presents a fairly reasonable, unbiased astrological assessment of Obama. Your feeling that the author was promoting an unfair, dishonest appraisal, and that it was being suggested that Obama was unelectable (in fact just the opposite is true), indicates to me that you were not really reading the article as it was presented, but rather interpreting what was being said according to your personal feelings and beliefs of what you feel should be “correct”. In other words it runs counter to and against the grain of your hopes and expectations. But is truth is a matter of emotion or reaction? You’re reactions are understandable if you have invested a lot of emotional interest in seeing that Obama is elected. AND THAT is precisely what the authour is suggesting. It’s the Sun-Neptune square thing. People see what they want to see.

    Ok. So, let’s re-wind the tape and find out what the author was REALLY saying shall we? Here is a direct quote. Please read slowly and thoughtfully…..

    “……. Full disclosure: I didn’t immediately hop on the Obama bandwagon, though many of my like-minded peers were early fans. I never believed he was a covert Islamicist, anymore than I’ve swallowed the messianic kool-aid. But beyond his obvious rhetorical brilliance, I just didn’t get the whole appeal. Though it’s likely I’ll vote for Obama, my mistrust of the hyped-up hoopla surrounding him has not gone away. In fact, I’d go so far as to say it actually affected my astrological examinations of the upcoming election—to the extent that I initially saw the results swinging in McCain’s favor. (Yes, it’s true, our so-called ‘predictions’ are usually under the influence of our underlying emotional temperature, somehow or another.)

    Recently though, after meditating further on the election issue, I changed my call. I now believe Obama will win the election… barring any upsetting events, impossible to foresee, that might affect how everything proceeds. (With transiting Uranus opposing Obama’s Mars, I don’t think an unexpectedly dramatic turn-of-events is out of the question.) I also came to terms with the emotions underlying my initial forecast—and they point back to Obama’s Sun-Neptune square.”